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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    scb wrote:
    So, back to the topic at hand, I was thinking about the argument so many pro-death penalty people make to the anti-death penalty people - that if one of our loved ones was murdered, we would change our minds and want to see the murderer killed. Aside from the fact that many people have experienced the murder of a loved one and still not wished death upon the murderer, so the pro-death penalty argument is not true in these cases, what about the cases where this does happen - where the families suddenly change their minds and want the murderer killed? I actually think this is an important argument AGAINST the death penalty, not for it.

    People frequently believe something is wrong and would never want to do it, but then get caught up in their emotions and do things they regret. The way to limit this is to limit the opportunities we have to do things we think are wrong. For instance, I don't want to shoot anyone, so I got rid of my gun. With a gun, it's possible that I might shoot someone out of fear or anger, which I think is wrong and would regret later. Without a gun, that is not a possibility. I think it's the same for the death penalty. We need to decide what's right and wrong when we're thinking rationally, not leave our options open for life and death decisions to be made out of fear or anger. Isn't the ability to think and act rationally one of the main characteristics that supposedly makes us better than other animals?

    You think this way towards the death penalty but not abortion?
  • electronblue
    electronblue Posts: 3,502
    scb wrote:
    electron blue wrote:
    it took me close to two hours to safely catch a fly in a tiny net the other night~

    I once caught a fruit fly with a pair of tweezers. :)



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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    scb wrote:
    So, back to the topic at hand, I was thinking about the argument so many pro-death penalty people make to the anti-death penalty people - that if one of our loved ones was murdered, we would change our minds and want to see the murderer killed. Aside from the fact that many people have experienced the murder of a loved one and still not wished death upon the murderer, so the pro-death penalty argument is not true in these cases, what about the cases where this does happen - where the families suddenly change their minds and want the murderer killed? I actually think this is an important argument AGAINST the death penalty, not for it.

    People frequently believe something is wrong and would never want to do it, but then get caught up in their emotions and do things they regret. The way to limit this is to limit the opportunities we have to do things we think are wrong. For instance, I don't want to shoot anyone, so I got rid of my gun. With a gun, it's possible that I might shoot someone out of fear or anger, which I think is wrong and would regret later. Without a gun, that is not a possibility. I think it's the same for the death penalty. We need to decide what's right and wrong when we're thinking rationally, not leave our options open for life and death decisions to be made out of fear or anger. Isn't the ability to think and act rationally one of the main characteristics that supposedly makes us better than other animals?

    You think this way towards the death penalty but not abortion?

    Yes. You can't take away the option for abortion anyway, like you can take away the option for the death penalty or shooting someone. (I don't mean "can't" as in "shouldn't"; I mean it's not possible.) So I don't think this line of reasoning can apply. If you want to discuss abortion further, though, we should probably do it in the other thread.

    But as for this line of reason regarding the death penalty, I realize that plenty of people think we should have the death penalty even when they are thinking rationally instead of emotionally. I'm just saying this is yet another reason why the, "You'll want to have that option if your loved one is ever murdered," argument to anti-death penalty folks is not a good one.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    if found guilty of child molestation should mike jackson have been sentenced to death or life in prison?
    i understand today is the one year anniversary of his passing.
    RIP, mikey.
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
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    no more forever."
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    he AND his fucked up father should have been tried for crimes against humanity. but NOT put to death. I obviously can't say for sure, as I didn't know MJ, but my personal opinion was that he was not a child molester. He was a child himself. He was like an innocent kid thinking that having a sleepover was ok, because all they were really doing was telling ghost stories and shit like that.

    it's the fucking pathetic gold digger parents of those kids that came up with the stories that made them millions in the settlements.
    chadwick wrote:
    if found guilty of child molestation should mike jackson have been sentenced to death or life in prison?
    i understand today is the one year anniversary of his passing.
    RIP, mikey.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    that's the whole ticket right there. Being someone who has dealt with mental illness myself (please try to be respectful :) ), I have a tendency to think that just like animals, many of these people can't control themselves either. They literally have malfunctions in their wiring. Not their fault. So killing them is no better than putting down a dog that was born aggressive in nature, and then killed by those who deem them to dangerous and not worth it. Telling someone they are not worthy of life is not my call. Not ANYONE'S call.
    chadwick wrote:
    see i'd have the small brain of a monster blown all over the wall before smashing a fly.
    fly is innocent.
    ants do nothing but be ants.
    birds are badass.
    birds should shit on more people.

    maniac psychopaths lack empathy and kindness.
    they torture, rape, and kill innocent people for pleasure.
    that's a sick fucker who should quit living.

    thankfully a bullet enters a skull at an alarming rate where it stops bullshit.
    it's like a small very fast fly swatter, a bullet.
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    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    he AND his fucked up father should have been tried for crimes against humanity. but NOT put to death. I obviously can't say for sure, as I didn't know MJ, but my personal opinion was that he was not a child molester. He was a child himself. He was like an innocent kid thinking that having a sleepover was ok, because all they were really doing was telling ghost stories and shit like that.

    it's the fucking pathetic gold digger parents of those kids that came up with the stories that made them millions in the settlements.
    chadwick wrote:
    if found guilty of child molestation should mike jackson have been sentenced to death or life in prison?
    i understand today is the one year anniversary of his passing.
    RIP, mikey.
    i agree.
    mike & crew had a different up bringing.
    the old man probably isn't a peach.
    the whole crew is probably a bit bent.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Now tell me that this piece of crap doesn't deserve to die? or even better let put him on a nice cell with 3 meals a day... :evil: he's a monster a he deserves to be treated as such :evil:

    http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailywee ... ates_c.php
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    he deserves to get what karma (aka: Big Bubba) will deal him in prison. but he doesn't deserve to die, no.
    arq wrote:
    Now tell me that this piece of crap doesn't deserve to die? or even better let put him on a nice cell with 3 meals a day... :evil: he's a monster a he deserves to be treated as such :evil:

    http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailywee ... ates_c.php
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    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    arq wrote:
    Now tell me that this piece of crap doesn't deserve to die? or even better let put him on a nice cell with 3 meals a day... :evil: he's a monster a he deserves to be treated as such :evil:

    http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailywee ... ates_c.php
    seriously... i am trying hard to say something but i cannot come up with much.
    my brain is scrambling for something i cannot grasp.
    where is uncle ted nugent?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    ...he deserves to get what karma (aka: Big Bubba) will deal him in prison...

    A month of that and he will kill himself, so between a death penalty and receiving that kind of "karma" sounds like the death penalty is a more humane punishment :|
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    arq wrote:
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    ...he deserves to get what karma (aka: Big Bubba) will deal him in prison...

    A month of that and he will kill himself, so between a death penalty and receiving that kind of "karma" sounds like the death penalty is a more humane punishment :|
    i am still baffled by this maniac.
    he is a very disturbing individual.
    seriously, i can't even wrap my mind around this story.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    chadwick wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Now tell me that this piece of crap doesn't deserve to die? or even better let put him on a nice cell with 3 meals a day... :evil: he's a monster a he deserves to be treated as such :evil:

    http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailywee ... ates_c.php
    seriously... i am trying hard to say something but i cannot come up with much.
    my brain is scrambling for something i cannot grasp.
    where is uncle ted nugent?

    justice for this person would include.

    1. poke out his eyes.
    2. poke out his eardrums.
    3. break his spine, resulting in paralysis all limbs.
    4. give him just enough food to ward off starvation.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ajedigecko wrote:
    justice for this person would include.

    1. poke out his eyes.
    2. poke out his eardrums.
    3. break his spine, resulting in paralysis all limbs.
    4. give him just enough food to ward off starvation.
    very well done.
    and all last week only a few of us in here were fighting for the death penalty almost all by ourselves.
    i suggest you stick around.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    what a sad state of things when people would fight for the death penalty.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    catefrances wrote:
    what a sad state of things when people would fight for the death penalty.
    i dont understand you, cate.
    i thought i knew you better than i do.
    hhhmmm...

    turns out you're 213% nicer than i knew you to be.
    :mrgreen:
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    chadwick wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    what a sad state of things when people would fight for the death penalty.
    i dont understand you, cate.
    i thought i knew you better than i do.
    hhhmmm...

    turns out you're 213% nicer than i knew you to be.
    :mrgreen:


    you thought id be all for killing humans??

    what part of my personality gives that impression??
    hear my name
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    this could be the day
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    lie beside me
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    catefrances wrote:
    you thought id be all for killing humans??

    what part of my personality gives that impression??
    who said anything about offing a human?
    we are talking about full blown monsters.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    catefrances wrote:
    what a sad state of things when people would fight for the death penalty.

    at no point.....do i wish death upon this thing.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    ajedigecko wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    what a sad state of things when people would fight for the death penalty.

    at no point.....do i wish death upon this thing.

    my comment was in repsonse to chads post.

    im just dismayed at the level of violence in this thread. thats all.
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