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ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
edited November 2010 in A Moving Train
some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
and some will say he should live

i'd like to hear from the people who "truthfully" think this guy has a "right to life"

i understand i live in a state with no death penalty
and this is just hypothetical
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/facts ... yFacts.pdf
  • theserialthrillatheserialthrilla Posts: 15,760
    no mother in law jokes here....but you can never hurt kids...never let him swing..from someone in the uk we dont have the death pen
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    no doubt that guy deserves his comeuppance but in the grand scheme of everything I don't think it is right to take another's life for any reason. It might seem trite but to me - 1+ 1 = 2... not 0.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Once again, I think that death penalty is the easy way out for these sick fucks...

    Put him him a tiny cell with pictures of the crime scene on the walls of his children he killed... see if that drives him insane. Only let him out to get gang raped and beat by other prisoners.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    he still stands wrote:
    no doubt that guy deserves his comeuppance but in the grand scheme of everything I don't think it is right to take another's life for any reason. It might seem trite but to me - 1+ 1 = 2... not 0.


    Actually, without the death penalty, in this case... -4 = +1

    With the death penalty, in this case... -4=-1 ... so still not equal but much closer. ;)

    So I don't think you can use math to state a case against the death penalty. I think it comes down to what polaris said. I can easily see both sides. But I still keep coming down on the same side of the fence for now.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    he still stands wrote:
    no doubt that guy deserves his comeuppance but in the grand scheme of everything I don't think it is right to take another's life for any reason. It might seem trite but to me - 1+ 1 = 2... not 0.
    -1 + 1 does not = 2...
    and yes the prick should be set free by means of a visit from death.
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    no more forever."
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  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    theserialthrilla wrote:
    no mother in law jokes here....but you can never hurt kids...never let him swing..from someone in the uk we dont have the death pen


    We drop bombs on kids.... :cry:

    I think the man should live..... put him in a cage and let him die slowly...... or hopefully find peace with God.

    That's such a tragedy .... we had a few similar tragedies in CA a few years ago.... Actually, probably 1 every year for the last 3 or 4 years...
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    cincybearcat wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    no doubt that guy deserves his comeuppance but in the grand scheme of everything I don't think it is right to take another's life for any reason. It might seem trite but to me - 1+ 1 = 2... not 0.


    Actually, without the death penalty, in this case... -4 = +1

    With the death penalty, in this case... -4=-1 ... so still not equal but much closer. ;)

    So I don't think you can use math to state a case against the death penalty. I think it comes down to what polaris said. I can easily see both sides. But I still keep coming down on the same side of the fence for now.

    wow. ok. actually it would be 4+1 = 5... so now there are 5 murders instead of 4. don't know why you through in the negative symbol. Its just another murder. Its not up to humans to decide who gets murdered and who doesn't (or shouldn't be). None of us are as cruel as all of us.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    the other month ago some prick in tacoma murdered his family and inlaws.
    he was a policeman.

    he should be disposed of as soon as possible.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    he still stands wrote:

    wow. ok. actually it would be 4+1 = 5... so now there are 5 murders instead of 4. don't know why you through in the negative symbol. Its just another murder. Its not up to humans to decide who gets murdered and who doesn't (or shouldn't be). None of us are as cruel as all of us.

    Cause I'm having fun with the fact that you are trying to make this a math problem. ;)

    the negative signs are for the lives lost. I understand you stance, after much thought, I still disagree with it. But I certainly respect your point of view.
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  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    I hate "eye for an eye..." but 2 kids? that's where i draw the line, 2 defenseless kids, should we locked him in jail forever? i think is just a waste to put him in jail, why should we pay for all his meal the rest of his life and put a roof over his head (of course jail is not a walk in the park), he must have a fair trial, if it was an accident those are another circumstances, but in cold blood? no way, i can't defend the right of someone to live if he didn't thought in the right to live of others, and in this case 2 kids!
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I don't know about a "right to life" for the guy, but I oppose the death penalty in all situations.

    Revenge murder serves no good purpose whatsoever.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    polaris_x wrote:
    i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/facts ... yFacts.pdf

    inhumane?
    let's take a walk in someone else's shoes for a moment
    let us say polaris, you have a child, and some "human" murders that child.
    and you happen to live in a state that will give this "human" the death penalty
    would you really feel that would be a inhumane act to put him or her to death?
    which of the two is the "real" inhumane act?
    i feel when someone murders another, that someone has lost all rights
    all we have in this life is our life
    one chance
    how is it you can feel that if one person murders another, the murderer has any rights
    i do not
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    I am split on the death penalty,
    1. I think we should do what we can to rehabilitate people or at least put more emphsis/study into doing so. Killing someone is not how i would describe a civilized highly intelligent society.
    2. If you take someone's right to live, you should also forefit your right to live.
    Its subjective, because if this was my family and someone murdered my kids and wife, I would end their life. I can't imagine going through loosing your child.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Only let him out to get gang raped and beat by other prisoners.

    Why is advocating rape acceptable? This really bothers me. The fact that someone would be pro-rape, regardless of the victim, is kind of pathetic.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    know1 wrote:
    I don't know about a "right to life" for the guy, but I oppose the death penalty in all situations.

    Revenge murder serves no good purpose whatsoever.
    sure it does.
    it gets rid of garbage.

    who wants to live amongst trash?
    i surely don't.

    wipe it clean... erase evil.
    simple shit.

    someone, somewhere, is the death dealer.
    i like this entity.

    :mrgreen:
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    do we know why?
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    meet your local death dealer.
    this gentleman is framed hanging on my bedroom wall.

    http://mcganc.files.wordpress.com/2009/ ... dealer.jpg
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • mikalinamikalina Posts: 7,206
    Most criminals sit in prison for 10 or more yrs - before being executed - plenty of time to ponder about their crime. In the meantime they - eat (3) meals, watch t.v. and read books - while the innocent children have turned to dust.


    Most prisoners have it better than our "homeless".... ( Only my opinion )
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  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    redrock wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in Massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    do we know why?

    What could have done his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids to deserve that? Ok let's say he's insane, do you know someone in their right mind doing that?
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • mikalinamikalina Posts: 7,206
    chadwick wrote:
    meet your local death dealer.
    this gentleman is framed hanging on my bedroom wall.

    http://mcganc.files.wordpress.com/2009/ ... dealer.jpg


    I love it !!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup:
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  • even flow - question markeven flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    This guy obviously just lost his mind for a split second. He really is a nice guy. After they diagnose him and slip him the right pills/meds. He will rehabilitate in prison, where he will find god and learn to live and love again. Then he can live a normal life with a new family in about ten years or less.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    arq wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in Massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    do we know why?

    What could have done his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids to deserve that? Ok let's say he's insane, do you know someone in their right mind doing that?


    It's pretty clear to me that killing your kids is not a sane act.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's pretty clear to me that killing your kids is not a sane act.

    Exactly so do we put him on a mental asylum for the rest of his life? do we try to cure him?
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I am split on the death penalty,
    1. I think we should do what we can to rehabilitate people or at least put more emphsis/study into doing so. Killing someone is not how i would describe a civilized highly intelligent society.
    2. If you take someone's right to live, you should also forefit your right to live.
    Its subjective, because if this was my family and someone murdered my kids and wife, I would end their life. I can't imagine going through loosing your child.

    h.
    you cannot say
    Killing someone is not how i would describe a civilized highly intelligent society
    and then say
    if this was my family and someone murdered my kids and wife, I would end their life
    without saying that you and your family have rights that none other has or should have
    are you special?
    this is the problem
    when we have 100% proof of fact that someone is a murderer
    murder them
    and where is this civilized highly intelligent society, i'd like to visit it someday
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    arq wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's pretty clear to me that killing your kids is not a sane act.

    Exactly so do we put him on a mental asylum for the rest of his life? do we try to cure him?

    Neither.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • MaxGoldenrodMaxGoldenrod Posts: 1,341
    redrock wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    do we know why?

    Does it really matter why?

    Lucky for him, he is in MA, otherwise he would be getting a needle in the arm or strapped to a chair. There are worse options, they used a firing squad in UT!
    "Then the Spirit of God hovered over the water, and God said, Let there be music, and there was Pearl Jam."

    Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    they used a firing squad in UT!


    I just heard that this morning. Cost effective.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    they used a firing squad in UT!


    I just heard that this morning. Cost effective.

    no
    he was sentenced before they decided to not use that method anymore so he was "grandfathered" i guess
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    ed243421 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    they used a firing squad in UT!


    I just heard that this morning. Cost effective.

    no
    he was sentenced before they decided to not use that method anymore so he was "grandfathered" i guess


    Interesting. I just caught a glimpse on the news...I'll have to go look it up.
    hippiemom = goodness
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