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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    from state to state is the death penalty voted on ?

    Godfather.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    has anyone seen the life of david gale?
    that's a really good example of why i dont support capital punishment
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    ....also when a person kills another do you think that person knows the penalty for murder is death ? I would guess 99.9% of the people that kill know the penalty and kill anyway sooooo whats the problem ?

    Godfather.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....also when a person kills another do you think that person knows the penalty for murder is death ? I would guess 99.9% of the people that kill know the penalty and kill anyway sooooo whats the problem ?

    Godfather.
    the problem is they're not cheeseburgers.
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    haffajappa wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....also when a person kills another do you think that person knows the penalty for murder is death ? I would guess 99.9% of the people that kill know the penalty and kill anyway sooooo whats the problem ?

    Godfather.
    the problem is they're not cheeseburgers.
    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Godfather. wrote:
    scb wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    hitler & his monsters... why didn't anyone stop it way before it got out of hand?

    Because they lived in a society that believed state-sanctioned killing was acceptable.


    do you know why they believed state-sanctioned killing was acceptable ?

    Godfather.

    I'm sure you're going to enlighten me...
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    haffajappa wrote:
    has anyone seen the life of david gale?
    that's a really good example of why i dont support capital punishment

    outstanding movie
    loved it

    i understand the point but
    it was made to show the flaws in the system
    i only want 100%'ers with no doubt to be executed

    about 10 years back
    wakefield,mass
    a guy goes into work a day after x-mas and shoots the hell out of like 5 people
    1 a mother on her first day back to work after maternity leave
    and sits and waits for the cops at the front door
    no struggle
    this guy should have been shot immediatly

    someone explain to me why he lives today
    and as much internet fact you have to back it up
    i do not believe it costs more to execute than to put in prison
    at least it doesn't have to
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited June 2010
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    I live in Utah, where the state just executed a man by firing squad a little over a day ago. It made me sad. "Civilized" humans killing another.

    The way I see it - killing another human being is wrong. Whether it's a man killing his wife and kids or the state of Utah carrying out a sentence from 25 years ago. Killing another human being is morally wrong. I don't see how so many people can see it any other way. The local polls before the execution were ridiculous. Like 82% of these fuck sticks in Utah believe that execution by firing squad is humane....

    And I say to myself....what a wonderful world :roll:
    i agree.
    having to put down another human is terrible.

    what do we do with mass murderers?
    serial rapists or cut throat cannibals who wear their victims skins?
    it happens.
    what about a law officer finding a human skin in some dude's glove box?
    very sick people.
    some ppl enjoy torturing others for what seems like an eternity to the victim.
    i wonder about when toes are crushed on up every inch busted up bones to one's skull?

    this is reality.
    it is terrible.

    animals are not this cruel?
    well, some monkeys do each other kidnapping young ones and whatnot.
    interesting thoughts???

    what about the families left behind?
    what about the evil pricks family?
    horrible thoughts, just terrible.

    what are the answers?
    so far prisons, bullets, and a few other things work.
    rehabilitation is complete bullshit with these guys.
    they wanna make stuff out of some old lady's bones & teeth.
    weird group these guys.
    they like hurting children on chrismas eve, i mean murder.

    these are the kinds of dudes dad had to be around 8 hrs a day, 5 day a week.
    overtime when rioting.
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    if you were an evil prick sitting in a prison cell most of the time (maybe even 23 hrs a day depending on your behavior and sentence) would you rather have your favorite tv show unplugged
    and have bleach poured into your air ductwork system as often as possible,
    or would rather just get it over with and be put to rest?


    oh by the way, some dudes in prison eat their own pooh.
    nicely done.

    would anyone on this message board
    dive face first from their bed into a metal toilet
    all for a cigarette?
    if so, you win.

    ;)
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    ed243421 wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    has anyone seen the life of david gale?
    that's a really good example of why i dont support capital punishment

    outstanding movie
    loved it

    i understand the point but
    it was made to show the flaws in the system
    i only want 100%'ers with no doubt to be executed

    about 10 years back
    wakefield,mass
    a guy goes into work a day after x-mas and shoots the hell out of like 5 people
    1 a mother on her first day back to work after maternity leave
    and sits and waits for the cops at the front door
    no struggle
    this guy should have been shot immediatly

    someone explain to me why he lives today
    and as much internet fact you have to back it up
    i do not believe it costs more to execute than to put in prison
    at least it doesn't have to
    He lives today because the people of Mass. must value human life more than the people of, say Utah.

    I don't believe cost is a good argument for either side. Most of these people spend a good portion of their lives in prison before being executed anyway. And I don't think you can put a cost on doing what I believe to be morally right by NOT killing another human.

    This isn't the bible, folks. This is reality. And the idea of an eye for an eye is almost laughable....if it weren't so sad.

    I see this as a very simple debate. It is either right to kill or wrong to kill. I believe it is wrong to kill. Of course we need to protect society from lunatics, but I do not think killing them is the right way to do it.

    Also, I have a hard time giving credit to anyone who argues that rehabilitation cannot work.
  • Brock Samson
    Brock Samson Posts: 328
    he still stands wrote:
    Here is an alternative to the death penalty:

    For all violent crime offenders (murder, rape, etc) we set aside a few hundred square miles of land somewhere in some wasteland (somewhere in Texas or NM or Oklahoma) and fence it off. They can set up their own society within those walls and continue to kill and rape each other if they want. No more need for prisons or discussions of the death penalty. Problem solved.

    george carlin had a very similar idea. he also said they should drop in food, but not enough to feed everyone there. also, they should have gates set up at certain points and tell the "prisoners" that the gates will be opened once a month for only a few seconds and that if anyone can get out, they're free. then set up cameras, put it on pay-per-view, and let the entertainment begin.
    9/1/00, 9/2/00, 9/3/00, 12/31/00, 3/2/01, 4/29/01, 6/21/01, 7/25/01, 8/31/01, 9/1/01, 9/2/01, 4/18/02, 8/30/02, 8/31/02, 8/31/02, 9/1/02, 9/22/02, 3/22/03, 5/6/03, 6/29/03, 8/29/03, 8/30/03, 8/30/03, 8/31/03, 2/21/04, 4/2/04, 4/3/04, 9/3/04, 9/4/04, 9/4/04, 9/5/04, 2/19/05, 7/22/05, 9/2/05, 9/3/05, 9/3/05, 9/4/05, 1/22/06, 6/7/06, 9/1/06, 9/2/06, 9/2/06, 9/3/06, 7/6/07, 8/31/07, 9/1/07, 9/1/07, 9/2/07, 3/7/08, 8/29/08, 8/30/08, 8/30/08, 8/31/08, 7/11/09, 6/4/10, 6/11/11
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    He lives today because the people of Mass. must value human life more than the people of, say Utah.

    I don't believe cost is a good argument for either side. Most of these people spend a good portion of their lives in prison before being executed anyway. And I don't think you can put a cost on doing what I believe to be morally right by NOT killing another human.

    This isn't the bible, folks. This is reality. And the idea of an eye for an eye is almost laughable....if it weren't so sad.

    I see this as a very simple debate. It is either right to kill or wrong to kill. I believe it is wrong to kill. Of course we need to protect society from lunatics, but I do not think killing them is the right way to do it.

    Also, I have a hard time giving credit to anyone who argues that rehabilitation cannot work.

    speaking of things that are laughable.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    chadwick wrote:
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    He lives today because the people of Mass. must value human life more than the people of, say Utah.

    I don't believe cost is a good argument for either side. Most of these people spend a good portion of their lives in prison before being executed anyway. And I don't think you can put a cost on doing what I believe to be morally right by NOT killing another human.

    This isn't the bible, folks. This is reality. And the idea of an eye for an eye is almost laughable....if it weren't so sad.

    I see this as a very simple debate. It is either right to kill or wrong to kill. I believe it is wrong to kill. Of course we need to protect society from lunatics, but I do not think killing them is the right way to do it.

    Also, I have a hard time giving credit to anyone who argues that rehabilitation cannot work.

    speaking of things that are laughable.
    Well, your location pretty much says it all :D
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    Well, your location pretty much says it all :D
    im sure it does.
    btw, you haven't a clue.

    if you honestly believe you can rehabilitate evil would you mind living next door to a seial rapist murder who enjoys torturing & skinning women alive to fashion himself masks and whatnot out of their skins?

    if my neighbor was a "former" child predator i would not be at ease.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    chadwick wrote:
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    Well, your location pretty much says it all :D
    im sure it does.
    btw, you haven't a clue.

    if you honestly believe you can rehabilitate evil would you mind living next door to a seial rapist murder who enjoys torturing & skinning women alive to fashion himself masks and whatnot out of their skins?

    if my neighbor was a "former" child predator i would not be at ease.
    I am in no way saying that a serial rapist or murderer should be set free. And I am in no way saying that everyone can be rehabilitated. Well, maybe CAN isn't the right word to use because I do believe anyone CAN....but certainly not everyone will choose that route. There are some sick fucks who choose not to even try. I just don't think they should be killed. That's all I'm saying. Don't turn them loose. Just don't kill them.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    catefrances wrote:
    i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.


    You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    KO282453 wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.


    You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
    So.. you would kill someone, someone who probably didn't even see you because you were in their blind spot..

    Really???

    If so, I'd get your head checked. Everyone gets mad, but emotion is just chemicals going off in your brain. It takes a bigger man to have control over them rather than become another statistic.

    BTW, I'm on the fence with the death penalty. Part of me thinks a life in jail would be proper punishment rather than the easy way out with death, but another part of me thinks these people shouldn't be alive wasting our air and tax dollars.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited June 2010
    catefrances wrote:
    i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.

    it's not really death.
    it's more like being sent away.
    death happens to decent people.
    being sent away happens to the horrible evils of mankind.

    what do we do with a guy who abducts women, strings 'em up in the woods and tortures them.
    he skins them alive and makes purses out of their breasts?
    last i knew this guy was incarcerated in the iowa state penitentiary.
    hopefully he's still there.
    or in a cold damp box breathing his own bone dust.

    rehabilitate this beast?
    nicely done.

    no you take him by the hand and show him his way to the promise land.
    let the universe sort it out.
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    KO282453 wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.


    You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
    Thank god you have someone like your wife to help keep you under control...
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