So if you exercised your 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, you got cut off in traffic one day, your blood boiled, and you lost it and shot and killed the guy who cut you off, should you be executed?
Everyone - Should he be executed?
Also, for those of you who believe that it is sometimes morally acceptable to kill a person against his/her will, under precisely what circumstances is this acceptable?[/quote]
Well maybe just 20 years, REMEMBER i did just make the world a safer place!!!, next time YOU get in a car this is one less moron on the road you have to worry about. Your Welcome.
I've never hurt anybody and doubt i could, but violence is the first thing the pops into my head when i get mad, i just imagine there's lots of people who act on those thoughts unlike me, i fact i'm sure of it, i watch the news. but i don't condemn every person who does outright, i think there's times when it is justifiable.
we cold talk about being human until were blue in the face, in the end were all animals, instinct is a powerful thing.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
So if you exercised your 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, you got cut off in traffic one day, your blood boiled, and you lost it and shot and killed the guy who cut you off, should you be executed?
Everyone - Should he be executed?
Also, for those of you who believe that it is sometimes morally acceptable to kill a person against his/her will, under precisely what circumstances is this acceptable?
should he be executed?
yes
cold-blooded murderer
for your last question, are you talking death penalty or murder?
I'm just thinking of any possible reason to kill someone against their will. Like, under precisely what circumstances should the death penalty be enacted? But also, for instance, what about other times when killing is viewed by some as acceptable? E.g. vigilante justice, killing someone in the commission of a crime or when one fears for his/her life, war, etc.
If someone kills my family member and gets off, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him? What if he killed my cat? What if he raped my loved one but didn't kill anyone? What if it was a date rape and she didn't say no because she was drunk? If I'm married to an abusive husband, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him while he sleeps? What if he only hit me once? What if it's in the middle of a fight but he doesn't have a weapon? What if he slapped me once but didn't punch me? Is it morally acceptable for us to kill soldiers during war? What about civilians? What if the civilians weren't our target but we could predict that they'd be "collateral damage"? What if they're children? What if the soldiers are children? What if it's a soldier who is not threatening and has never (that we know of) killed anyone? What if it's a soldier who has tortured prisoners of war? What if they only did it because it was part of their job? Is it morally acceptable to want someone's child to be put to death for committing a crime, like shooting someone in an incident of road rage? What if it's our friend's child? Our sister's child? Our child? If we would want someone else's child to be put to death, should we not just as strongly support our own child being put to death? Is it morally acceptable to shoot someone who is in the process of committing a crime? Is it more or less acceptable depending on whether or not you represent the state (i.e. if you're a cop vs. just a regular person)? Does it matter what the crime is? What if the crime is in progress? What if it's no longer in progress but the criminal is running or resisting arrest? What if you're a law enforcement officer, the crime is still in progress, and you fear for your life? What if you're a border patrol agent, someone has just crossed the border and is trying to cross again, and he was just assaulting you with rocks and now you think you see a gun?
I'm just curious where EXACTLY the line is drawn between morally acceptable and immoral, how we came to draw the line there, and why one side of a thin line is acceptable and the other is not.
I'm just curious where EXACTLY the line is drawn between morally acceptable and immoral, how we came to draw the line there, and why one side of a thin line is acceptable and the other is not.
why is anything acceptable? i have no problem drawing a line somewhere. we all do on every issue.
I'm just curious where EXACTLY the line is drawn between morally acceptable and immoral, how we came to draw the line there, and why one side of a thin line is acceptable and the other is not.
Sadly i think the only people who could truely answer this are people who have killed people, on both sides, we'd have to ask cops and criminals.
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I'm just thinking of any possible reason to kill someone against their will. Like, under precisely what circumstances should the death penalty be enacted? But also, for instance, what about other times when killing is viewed by some as acceptable? E.g. vigilante justice, killing someone in the commission of a crime or when one fears for his/her life, war, etc.
If someone kills my family member and gets off, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him? What if he killed my cat? What if he raped my loved one but didn't kill anyone? What if it was a date rape and she didn't say no because she was drunk? If I'm married to an abusive husband, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him while he sleeps? What if he only hit me once? What if it's in the middle of a fight but he doesn't have a weapon? What if he slapped me once but didn't punch me? Is it morally acceptable for us to kill soldiers during war? What about civilians? What if the civilians weren't our target but we could predict that they'd be "collateral damage"? What if they're children? What if the soldiers are children? What if it's a soldier who is not threatening and has never (that we know of) killed anyone? What if it's a soldier who has tortured prisoners of war? What if they only did it because it was part of their job? Is it morally acceptable to want someone's child to be put to death for committing a crime, like shooting someone in an incident of road rage? What if it's our friend's child? Our sister's child? Our child? If we would want someone else's child to be put to death, should we not just as strongly support our own child being put to death? Is it morally acceptable to shoot someone who is in the process of committing a crime? Is it more or less acceptable depending on whether or not you represent the state (i.e. if you're a cop vs. just a regular person)? Does it matter what the crime is? What if the crime is in progress? What if it's no longer in progress but the criminal is running or resisting arrest? What if you're a law enforcement officer, the crime is still in progress, and you fear for your life? What if you're a border patrol agent, someone has just crossed the border and is trying to cross again, and he was just assaulting you with rocks and now you think you see a gun?[/quote]
my answers to your paragraph of questions
morally acceptable, yes, but with a death penalty, you would not have to.
no
no
no
depends on what extent of abuse
no
no
no
i you believe like i do that every war in world history has been fought for money, than no
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
yes
depends on the crime- i.e.(murder)
no
yes
yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
no
i understand every case is different
if we have 100% dna fact
or the person admits to it
or indisputable evidence
death
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
I'm just curious where EXACTLY the line is drawn between morally acceptable and immoral, how we came to draw the line there, and why one side of a thin line is acceptable and the other is not.
Sadly i think the only people who could truely answer this are people who have killed people, on both sides, we'd have to ask cops and criminals.
And yet it's mostly people who have never killed anyone who are making these decisions.
I'm just thinking of any possible reason to kill someone against their will. Like, under precisely what circumstances should the death penalty be enacted? But also, for instance, what about other times when killing is viewed by some as acceptable? E.g. vigilante justice, killing someone in the commission of a crime or when one fears for his/her life, war, etc.
If someone kills my family member and gets off, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him? What if he killed my cat? What if he raped my loved one but didn't kill anyone? What if it was a date rape and she didn't say no because she was drunk? If I'm married to an abusive husband, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him while he sleeps? What if he only hit me once? What if it's in the middle of a fight but he doesn't have a weapon? What if he slapped me once but didn't punch me? Is it morally acceptable for us to kill soldiers during war? What about civilians? What if the civilians weren't our target but we could predict that they'd be "collateral damage"? What if they're children? What if the soldiers are children? What if it's a soldier who is not threatening and has never (that we know of) killed anyone? What if it's a soldier who has tortured prisoners of war? What if they only did it because it was part of their job? Is it morally acceptable to want someone's child to be put to death for committing a crime, like shooting someone in an incident of road rage? What if it's our friend's child? Our sister's child? Our child? If we would want someone else's child to be put to death, should we not just as strongly support our own child being put to death? Is it morally acceptable to shoot someone who is in the process of committing a crime? Is it more or less acceptable depending on whether or not you represent the state (i.e. if you're a cop vs. just a regular person)? Does it matter what the crime is? What if the crime is in progress? What if it's no longer in progress but the criminal is running or resisting arrest? What if you're a law enforcement officer, the crime is still in progress, and you fear for your life? What if you're a border patrol agent, someone has just crossed the border and is trying to cross again, and he was just assaulting you with rocks and now you think you see a gun?
my answers to your paragraph of questions
morally acceptable, yes, but with a death penalty, you would not have to.
no
no
no
depends on what extent of abuse
no
no
no
i you believe like i do that every war in world history has been fought for money, than no
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
yes
depends on the crime- i.e.(murder)
no
yes
yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
no
i understand every case is different
if we have 100% dna fact
or the person admits to it
or indisputable evidence
death
Haha... thanks. I'll have to go back and put that one together.
i understand every case is different
if we have 100% dna fact
or the person admits to it
or indisputable evidence
death
I don't believe there really is such a thing as 100% DNA fact. I mean, sometimes we can think we have 100% DNA fact when we don't. Also, sometimes people admit to crimes they didn't commit. And I think most "indisputable" evidence can be disputed somehow. That's not to say we can never know for sure that someone committed a crime, but I just think it's extremely rare and, worse, we too often believe that innocent people are guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
Then, even if we did know for sure that someone killed someone else, there are a multitude of mitigating circumstances to consider.
Do you have children? If so, try to put yourself in the place of a parent whose child has been convicted of murder. (And maybe he didn't even do it, or maybe there were mitigating circumstances. Regardless, you child is not pure evil.) How would you feel if your child was being executed? You've said everyone should put themselves in the position of the innocent families whose loved ones were murdered, but what about the innocent families whose loved ones will be executed?
Also, I thought of two more questions: 1. Does it matter if the person is unlikely to ever kill again? 2. What about someone who kills someone while driving piss-ass drunk? Do they deserve the death penalty?
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
i understand every case is different
if we have 100% dna fact
or the person admits to it
or indisputable evidence
death
I don't believe there really is such a thing as 100% DNA fact. I mean, sometimes we can think we have 100% DNA fact when we don't. Also, sometimes people admit to crimes they didn't commit. And I think most "indisputable" evidence can be disputed somehow. That's not to say we can never know for sure that someone committed a crime, but I just think it's extremely rare and, worse, we too often believe that innocent people are guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
Then, even if we did know for sure that someone killed someone else, there are a multitude of mitigating circumstances to consider.
Do you have children? If so, try to put yourself in the place of a parent whose child has been convicted of murder. (And maybe he didn't even do it, or maybe there were mitigating circumstances. Regardless, you child is not pure evil.) How would you feel if your child was being executed? You've said everyone should put themselves in the position of the innocent families whose loved ones were murdered, but what about the innocent families whose loved ones will be executed?
Also, I thought of two more questions: 1. Does it matter if the person is unlikely to ever kill again? 2. What about someone who kills someone while driving piss-ass drunk? Do they deserve the death penalty?
all i want are the red-handed, caught at the scene of the crime, confessing, their blood on the victim, video, anything that is a lock.
i have children
i am doing everything i can now to attempt to prevent anything like that
once they are an adult, they are their own person, responsible for their own actions, just like you and i were.
and they will understand this
2 answers
no
this one depends on the drivers record or the circumstances , but some should
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
sure ive been cut off in traffic.. but i usually just swear a blue streak and turn up the music. then when im with people i bitch about how some fucking knobhead nearly wiped me out.
oh i doubt your wife is like me... unless of course she has the ability to turn into mrs hyde.
hear my name
take a good look
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hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i understand every case is different
if we have 100% dna fact
or the person admits to it
or indisputable evidence
death
I don't believe there really is such a thing as 100% DNA fact. I mean, sometimes we can think we have 100% DNA fact when we don't. Also, sometimes people admit to crimes they didn't commit. And I think most "indisputable" evidence can be disputed somehow. That's not to say we can never know for sure that someone committed a crime, but I just think it's extremely rare and, worse, we too often believe that innocent people are guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
Then, even if we did know for sure that someone killed someone else, there are a multitude of mitigating circumstances to consider.
Do you have children? If so, try to put yourself in the place of a parent whose child has been convicted of murder. (And maybe he didn't even do it, or maybe there were mitigating circumstances. Regardless, you child is not pure evil.) How would you feel if your child was being executed? You've said everyone should put themselves in the position of the innocent families whose loved ones were murdered, but what about the innocent families whose loved ones will be executed?
Also, I thought of two more questions: 1. Does it matter if the person is unlikely to ever kill again? 2. What about someone who kills someone while driving piss-ass drunk? Do they deserve the death penalty?
all i want are the red-handed, caught at the scene of the crime, confessing, their blood on the victim, video, anything that is a lock.
i have children
i am doing everything i can now to attempt to prevent anything like that
once they are an adult, they are their own person, responsible for their own actions, just like you and i were.
and they will understand this
2 answers
no
this one depends on the drivers record or the circumstances , but some should
Do you believe that it's possible for people to believe that someone is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and for them to still be innocent? I'm not asking if it's likely - just if it's EVER possible - even once, in a billion years.
How old are your children? (Now I'm just being nosey. :oops: ) You didn't answer my question though. How would you feel? How would this impact your family? (It's a silly question, I know, unless you've actually been there. But let's just try to imagine.)
If it doesn't matter if a person is likely to ever kill again, then wouldn't execution just be for revenge? It wouldn't be for the future safety of others. And with what record and under what circumstances should a drunk driver be sentenced to death?
The way I see it, guilt has little if anything to do with where I stand on the death penalty. I mean, the fact that innocent people have been executed is shamefully disgusting. But even if some crazy lunatic hijacked the BBC or CNN or whatever, killed people on live TV, confessed, and DNA evidence also proved he was guilty....I don't think it is morally right to kill him in return.
the way i see it is not does someone have the right to live but do we have the right to take their life. and even as a godless heathen i can tell you that i think not.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
The way I see it, guilt has little if anything to do with where I stand on the death penalty. I mean, the fact that innocent people have been executed is shamefully disgusting. But even if some crazy lunatic hijacked the BBC or CNN or whatever, killed people on live TV, confessed, and DNA evidence also proved he was guilty....I don't think it is morally right to kill him in return.
the way i see it is not does someone have the right to live but do we have the right to take their life. and even as a godless heathen i can tell you that i think not.
Do you believe that it's possible for people to believe that someone is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and for them to still be innocent? I'm not asking if it's likely - just if it's EVER possible - even once, in a billion years.
How old are your children? (Now I'm just being nosey. :oops: ) You didn't answer my question though. How would you feel? How would this impact your family? (It's a silly question, I know, unless you've actually been there. But let's just try to imagine.)
If it doesn't matter if a person is likely to ever kill again, then wouldn't execution just be for revenge? It wouldn't be for the future safety of others. And with what record and under what circumstances should a drunk driver be sentenced to death?[/quote]
scb
of course some could be innocent, but we think like that because of our past. we had a death penalty without the lab testing we have now. without video, without cell phone gps, without today's ever growing technology.
we do have cases that are "easy"
these are the ones i want gone
my kids are 7 - 5 - 3
and i think i did answer in a previous post, tell me if i'm wrong
"likely to kill again"? you could only be talking about manslaughter, i hope.
and i want every execution to be about revenge
and prevention
all we have in this life is our life
if someone takes that from me, or you, or a total stranger, i want that life revenged
i want theirs taken from them
i truly believe in a world where murder is answered with murder
we would stop killing each other
and if we don't
then our prisons will not be full of monsters living out the rest of their days
like the people they murdered had planned on doing
and for drunk drivers
if they had EVER been convicted of it in the past, and they do it again and kill someone
death
if not, 15-20 years could do it
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
The way I see it, guilt has little if anything to do with where I stand on the death penalty. I mean, the fact that innocent people have been executed is shamefully disgusting. But even if some crazy lunatic hijacked the BBC or CNN or whatever, killed people on live TV, confessed, and DNA evidence also proved he was guilty....I don't think it is morally right to kill him in return.
and whether your entire family are some of the killed or not, what would be morally right to do?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Once again, I think that death penalty is the easy way out for these sick fucks...
Put him him a tiny cell with pictures of the crime scene on the walls of his children he killed... see if that drives him insane. Only let him out to get gang raped and beat by other prisoners.
I agree....he should have to sit and think about his crime and become someone's bitch while in there!!!
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The way I see it, guilt has little if anything to do with where I stand on the death penalty. I mean, the fact that innocent people have been executed is shamefully disgusting. But even if some crazy lunatic hijacked the BBC or CNN or whatever, killed people on live TV, confessed, and DNA evidence also proved he was guilty....I don't think it is morally right to kill him in return.
and whether your entire family are some of the killed or not, what would be morally right to do?
I believe morals must run deeper than that. Would I be angry if people close to me were killed? Of course. Would I FEEL like killing those responsible? Probably. But I would hope that my moral beliefs would prevail. And I believe that they would.
But let's assume I lost it and killed those responsible for revenge. I know within myself that I would have done the wrong thing. I'm not claiming to be perfect, but I believe I do know the difference between right and wrong. Killing another human being under any circumstance is wrong.
anyway...
like i said a few pages back, who's voting for rehabilitation for the serial killer torture expert who's skinning women alive to fashion purses out of their breasts???
after he is rehabilitated and released back in society maybe he can move next door to you.
killing is wrong. state-sanctioned or not, killing is killing, which no one has a right to do. the argument "well you'd feel differently if it was YOUR family that was murdered" is exactly why laws are made, to protect its citizens from others AND themselves.
The death penalty has shown:
1) it is NOT a deterrent against commiting any type of crimes
2) it IS more expensive than housing a criminal for their natural life
3) in many cases even the families of the victims of the accused don't agree with it
So really, what are we doing it for?
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and if we are killing the person because they decided a person's right to life in society, how does it make ANY sense for society to decide this person's right to life?
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St. Paul 2014
Instead of the death penalty in America, we should instead deport the worst offenders to live in the general population in prisons in Peru (the new Joran Van der Sloot wing) and other South American areas that are notorious for their prison systems.
anyway...
like i said a few pages back, who's voting for rehabilitation for the serial killer torture expert who's skinning women alive to fashion purses out of their breasts???
after he is rehabilitated and released back in society maybe he can move next door to you.
i used to live up in Hyde Park N.Y., right outside of Poughkeepsie. There's a huge Mental Instituion, my last year there they let go a former teacher who kidnapped one of his students, chopped off his you know what cooked it and made the kid eat it before killing him. 30 years later, they said he was Rehabilated. The kid's family still lived in the area. i told my wife, let me run into this guy, i'm killin the M.F.er. some animals need to be put down. just because they look human doesn't mean they are.
killing is wrong. state-sanctioned or not, killing is killing, which no one has a right to do. the argument "well you'd feel differently if it was YOUR family that was murdered" is exactly why laws are made, to protect its citizens from others AND themselves.
The death penalty has shown:
1) it is NOT a deterrent against commiting any type of crimes
2) it IS more expensive than housing a criminal for their natural life
3) in many cases even the families of the victims of the accused don't agree with it
So really, what are we doing it for?
1) it is a deterrent for THAT person commiting any type of crimes
2) IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE - don't believe everything you read
3) bell curve
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
killing is wrong. state-sanctioned or not, killing is killing, which no one has a right to do. the argument "well you'd feel differently if it was YOUR family that was murdered" is exactly why laws are made, to protect its citizens from others AND themselves.
The death penalty has shown:
1) it is NOT a deterrent against commiting any type of crimes
2) it IS more expensive than housing a criminal for their natural life
3) in many cases even the families of the victims of the accused don't agree with it
So really, what are we doing it for?
1) it is a deterrent for THAT person commiting any type of crimes
2) IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE - don't believe everything you read
3) bell curve
1) actually, if you look at the statistics, it has proven not to be a deterrent.
2) it currently is. but to me, even if the cost was substantially higher to house the criminal for life as opposed to putting them to death, it wouldn't matter. the cost of a dollar is nothing compared to the cost of a life, whether it is deemed an innocent or "worthless" life.
3) what does that have to do with it?
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
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Everyone - Should he be executed?
Also, for those of you who believe that it is sometimes morally acceptable to kill a person against his/her will, under precisely what circumstances is this acceptable?[/quote]
Well maybe just 20 years, REMEMBER i did just make the world a safer place!!!, next time YOU get in a car this is one less moron on the road you have to worry about. Your Welcome.
we cold talk about being human until were blue in the face, in the end were all animals, instinct is a powerful thing.
I'm just thinking of any possible reason to kill someone against their will. Like, under precisely what circumstances should the death penalty be enacted? But also, for instance, what about other times when killing is viewed by some as acceptable? E.g. vigilante justice, killing someone in the commission of a crime or when one fears for his/her life, war, etc.
If someone kills my family member and gets off, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him? What if he killed my cat? What if he raped my loved one but didn't kill anyone? What if it was a date rape and she didn't say no because she was drunk? If I'm married to an abusive husband, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him while he sleeps? What if he only hit me once? What if it's in the middle of a fight but he doesn't have a weapon? What if he slapped me once but didn't punch me? Is it morally acceptable for us to kill soldiers during war? What about civilians? What if the civilians weren't our target but we could predict that they'd be "collateral damage"? What if they're children? What if the soldiers are children? What if it's a soldier who is not threatening and has never (that we know of) killed anyone? What if it's a soldier who has tortured prisoners of war? What if they only did it because it was part of their job? Is it morally acceptable to want someone's child to be put to death for committing a crime, like shooting someone in an incident of road rage? What if it's our friend's child? Our sister's child? Our child? If we would want someone else's child to be put to death, should we not just as strongly support our own child being put to death? Is it morally acceptable to shoot someone who is in the process of committing a crime? Is it more or less acceptable depending on whether or not you represent the state (i.e. if you're a cop vs. just a regular person)? Does it matter what the crime is? What if the crime is in progress? What if it's no longer in progress but the criminal is running or resisting arrest? What if you're a law enforcement officer, the crime is still in progress, and you fear for your life? What if you're a border patrol agent, someone has just crossed the border and is trying to cross again, and he was just assaulting you with rocks and now you think you see a gun?
Sadly i think the only people who could truely answer this are people who have killed people, on both sides, we'd have to ask cops and criminals.
I'm just thinking of any possible reason to kill someone against their will. Like, under precisely what circumstances should the death penalty be enacted? But also, for instance, what about other times when killing is viewed by some as acceptable? E.g. vigilante justice, killing someone in the commission of a crime or when one fears for his/her life, war, etc.
If someone kills my family member and gets off, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him? What if he killed my cat? What if he raped my loved one but didn't kill anyone? What if it was a date rape and she didn't say no because she was drunk? If I'm married to an abusive husband, is it morally acceptable for me to kill him while he sleeps? What if he only hit me once? What if it's in the middle of a fight but he doesn't have a weapon? What if he slapped me once but didn't punch me? Is it morally acceptable for us to kill soldiers during war? What about civilians? What if the civilians weren't our target but we could predict that they'd be "collateral damage"? What if they're children? What if the soldiers are children? What if it's a soldier who is not threatening and has never (that we know of) killed anyone? What if it's a soldier who has tortured prisoners of war? What if they only did it because it was part of their job? Is it morally acceptable to want someone's child to be put to death for committing a crime, like shooting someone in an incident of road rage? What if it's our friend's child? Our sister's child? Our child? If we would want someone else's child to be put to death, should we not just as strongly support our own child being put to death? Is it morally acceptable to shoot someone who is in the process of committing a crime? Is it more or less acceptable depending on whether or not you represent the state (i.e. if you're a cop vs. just a regular person)? Does it matter what the crime is? What if the crime is in progress? What if it's no longer in progress but the criminal is running or resisting arrest? What if you're a law enforcement officer, the crime is still in progress, and you fear for your life? What if you're a border patrol agent, someone has just crossed the border and is trying to cross again, and he was just assaulting you with rocks and now you think you see a gun?[/quote]
my answers to your paragraph of questions
morally acceptable, yes, but with a death penalty, you would not have to.
no
no
no
depends on what extent of abuse
no
no
no
i you believe like i do that every war in world history has been fought for money, than no
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
yes
depends on the crime- i.e.(murder)
no
yes
yes
if it was murder, yes
if it was murder, yes
no
i understand every case is different
if we have 100% dna fact
or the person admits to it
or indisputable evidence
death
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And yet it's mostly people who have never killed anyone who are making these decisions.
Haha... thanks. I'll have to go back and put that one together.
I don't believe there really is such a thing as 100% DNA fact. I mean, sometimes we can think we have 100% DNA fact when we don't. Also, sometimes people admit to crimes they didn't commit. And I think most "indisputable" evidence can be disputed somehow. That's not to say we can never know for sure that someone committed a crime, but I just think it's extremely rare and, worse, we too often believe that innocent people are guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
Then, even if we did know for sure that someone killed someone else, there are a multitude of mitigating circumstances to consider.
Do you have children? If so, try to put yourself in the place of a parent whose child has been convicted of murder. (And maybe he didn't even do it, or maybe there were mitigating circumstances. Regardless, you child is not pure evil.) How would you feel if your child was being executed? You've said everyone should put themselves in the position of the innocent families whose loved ones were murdered, but what about the innocent families whose loved ones will be executed?
Also, I thought of two more questions: 1. Does it matter if the person is unlikely to ever kill again? 2. What about someone who kills someone while driving piss-ass drunk? Do they deserve the death penalty?
all i want are the red-handed, caught at the scene of the crime, confessing, their blood on the victim, video, anything that is a lock.
i have children
i am doing everything i can now to attempt to prevent anything like that
once they are an adult, they are their own person, responsible for their own actions, just like you and i were.
and they will understand this
2 answers
no
this one depends on the drivers record or the circumstances , but some should
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sure ive been cut off in traffic.. but i usually just swear a blue streak and turn up the music. then when im with people i bitch about how some fucking knobhead nearly wiped me out.
oh i doubt your wife is like me... unless of course she has the ability to turn into mrs hyde.
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Do you believe that it's possible for people to believe that someone is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and for them to still be innocent? I'm not asking if it's likely - just if it's EVER possible - even once, in a billion years.
How old are your children? (Now I'm just being nosey. :oops: ) You didn't answer my question though. How would you feel? How would this impact your family? (It's a silly question, I know, unless you've actually been there. But let's just try to imagine.)
If it doesn't matter if a person is likely to ever kill again, then wouldn't execution just be for revenge? It wouldn't be for the future safety of others. And with what record and under what circumstances should a drunk driver be sentenced to death?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
+1
+1
Do you believe that it's possible for people to believe that someone is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and for them to still be innocent? I'm not asking if it's likely - just if it's EVER possible - even once, in a billion years.
How old are your children? (Now I'm just being nosey. :oops: ) You didn't answer my question though. How would you feel? How would this impact your family? (It's a silly question, I know, unless you've actually been there. But let's just try to imagine.)
If it doesn't matter if a person is likely to ever kill again, then wouldn't execution just be for revenge? It wouldn't be for the future safety of others. And with what record and under what circumstances should a drunk driver be sentenced to death?[/quote]
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of course some could be innocent, but we think like that because of our past. we had a death penalty without the lab testing we have now. without video, without cell phone gps, without today's ever growing technology.
we do have cases that are "easy"
these are the ones i want gone
my kids are 7 - 5 - 3
and i think i did answer in a previous post, tell me if i'm wrong
"likely to kill again"? you could only be talking about manslaughter, i hope.
and i want every execution to be about revenge
and prevention
all we have in this life is our life
if someone takes that from me, or you, or a total stranger, i want that life revenged
i want theirs taken from them
i truly believe in a world where murder is answered with murder
we would stop killing each other
and if we don't
then our prisons will not be full of monsters living out the rest of their days
like the people they murdered had planned on doing
and for drunk drivers
if they had EVER been convicted of it in the past, and they do it again and kill someone
death
if not, 15-20 years could do it
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and whether your entire family are some of the killed or not, what would be morally right to do?
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I agree....he should have to sit and think about his crime and become someone's bitch while in there!!!
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But let's assume I lost it and killed those responsible for revenge. I know within myself that I would have done the wrong thing. I'm not claiming to be perfect, but I believe I do know the difference between right and wrong. Killing another human being under any circumstance is wrong.
like i said a few pages back, who's voting for rehabilitation for the serial killer torture expert who's skinning women alive to fashion purses out of their breasts???
after he is rehabilitated and released back in society maybe he can move next door to you.
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The death penalty has shown:
1) it is NOT a deterrent against commiting any type of crimes
2) it IS more expensive than housing a criminal for their natural life
3) in many cases even the families of the victims of the accused don't agree with it
So really, what are we doing it for?
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i used to live up in Hyde Park N.Y., right outside of Poughkeepsie. There's a huge Mental Instituion, my last year there they let go a former teacher who kidnapped one of his students, chopped off his you know what cooked it and made the kid eat it before killing him. 30 years later, they said he was Rehabilated. The kid's family still lived in the area. i told my wife, let me run into this guy, i'm killin the M.F.er. some animals need to be put down. just because they look human doesn't mean they are.
1) it is a deterrent for THAT person commiting any type of crimes
2) IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE - don't believe everything you read
3) bell curve
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1) actually, if you look at the statistics, it has proven not to be a deterrent.
2) it currently is. but to me, even if the cost was substantially higher to house the criminal for life as opposed to putting them to death, it wouldn't matter. the cost of a dollar is nothing compared to the cost of a life, whether it is deemed an innocent or "worthless" life.
3) what does that have to do with it?
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