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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    KO282453 wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    anyway...
    like i said a few pages back, who's voting for rehabilitation for the serial killer torture expert who's skinning women alive to fashion purses out of their breasts???
    after he is rehabilitated and released back in society maybe he can move next door to you.

    i used to live up in Hyde Park N.Y., right outside of Poughkeepsie. There's a huge Mental Instituion, my last year there they let go a former teacher who kidnapped one of his students, chopped off his you know what cooked it and made the kid eat it before killing him. 30 years later, they said he was Rehabilated. The kid's family still lived in the area. i told my wife, let me run into this guy, i'm killin the M.F.er. some animals need to be put down. just because they look human doesn't mean they are.
    you're a fantastic citizen and a high quality human being.
    the maniac you speak of deserves a swift bullet to the skull.
    end of story.
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  • for those of you disputing that the death penalty is not a deterrent, here's some reading for you (and nice colourful, easy to read graphs!):

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterre ... rder-rates
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    for those of you disputing that the death penalty is not a deterrent, here's some reading for you (and nice colourful, easy to read graphs!):

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterre ... rder-rates


    Thank You Chadwick :D

    So Billy, comes out to saving about a person a year per state that has it, not entierly useless i guess.
  • killing is wrong. state-sanctioned or not, killing is killing, which no one has a right to do.
    thats a fundamentally untrue statement in my opinion.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    if i had a child outside playing in the yard, riding bikes with friends up and down the sidewalk and some
    evil prick abducted my child and done unspeakable acts to my innocent young one, i am here to tell you that the evil prick would be better off being caught by the law than by me.

    zero hesitance would be my motto.
    my shotgun and 357 would be locked & loaded.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
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    no more forever."

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  • MrSmith wrote:
    killing is wrong. state-sanctioned or not, killing is killing, which no one has a right to do.
    thats a fundamentally untrue statement in my opinion.

    I find that opinion fundamentally scarey.
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  • KO282453 wrote:
    for those of you disputing that the death penalty is not a deterrent, here's some reading for you (and nice colourful, easy to read graphs!):

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterre ... rder-rates


    Thank You Chadwick :D

    So Billy, comes out to saving about a person a year per state that has it, not entierly useless i guess.

    the point was it's NOT a deterrent. FACT.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i cannot for the life of me understand how decent people cannot understand that an evil person should be sent away to decompose in a damp box. to me it is very clear, very cut and dry. it is so simple even a primitive caveman can understand it.

    decent folks = breathing.
    cruel folks = no breathing.

    quite simple.

    what about serial rapists, serial killers, & serial child molesters?
    lots of serial, serial, serial.

    easy stuff... they are to be executed and sent to wherever evil goes.

    when you abduct a child on christmas eve, rape them and murder them in a ditch.
    you should be put to death so swiftly it would make your head spin.
    no i am sorry, no nothing.
    you deserve to rot in a thin wooden box.
    fuck you and fuck off.

    someone, somewhere has to be the badass.
    and it aint that sick fuckin prick.
    that sick prick is a predator and works for evil.
    that is unacceptable.

    i am sorry some of you have lived a cushy life of bullshit and forgiveness.
    forgiveness is fine for insignificant bullshit.
    the above mentioned crime is not insignificant by any means.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
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    no more forever."

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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    the point was it's NOT a deterrent. FACT.[/quote]

    Good Point, 15/love now serving Billy Pumpkin.
  • what you don't understand is that you are personalizing this issue, and it can't be, because then it turns into revenge, which is not what the law is for. If you (and most people who are pro-DP) are going to try to make the point that "how would you feel if it was your (insert loved one here) that was killed, would you still agree with your anti-DP stance?". The answer is a simple "yes". Obviously, I'd want the fucker dead. But it's not up to me. And if you are going to use that argument, you have to be able to look at the flipside of it as well. How would YOU feel if it was your loved one that was on death row, possibly wrongly convicted? Would you still think your loved one is expendable for the so-called greater good? If not, then that my friend is hypocritical. If so, then that my friend makes you, well, I won't say, as I don't want another time out. ;)
    chadwick wrote:
    i cannot for the life of me understand how decent people cannot understand that an evil person should be sent away to decompose in a damp box. to me it is very clear, very cut and dry. it is so simple even a primitive caveman can understand it.

    decent folks = breathing.
    cruel folks = no breathing.

    quite simple.

    what about serial rapists, serial killers, & serial child molesters?
    lots of serial, serial, serial.

    easy stuff... they are to be executed and sent to wherever evil goes.

    when you abduct a child on christmas eve, rape them and murder them in a ditch.
    you should be put to death so swiftly it would make your head spin.
    no i am sorry, no nothing.
    you deserve to rot in a thin wooden box.
    fuck you and fuck off.

    someone, somewhere has to be the badass.
    and it aint that sick fuckin prick.
    that sick prick is a predator and works for evil.
    that is unacceptable.

    i am sorry some of you have lived a cushy life of bullshit and forgiveness.
    forgiveness is fine for insignificant bullshit.
    the above mentioned crime is not insignificant by any means.
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  • MrSmith wrote:
    killing is wrong. state-sanctioned or not, killing is killing, which no one has a right to do.
    thats a fundamentally untrue statement in my opinion.

    I find that opinion fundamentally scarey.
    dont be afraid unless you kill innocent people.
  • if you want to simplify an extremely complex issue to try to make your point, then I'll simplify it for you:

    no human has the right to decide the fate of another human's life. case closed. I guess that makes me a little more intelligent than a caveman. :lol:
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  • MrSmith wrote:

    I find that opinion fundamentally scarey.
    dont be afraid unless you kill innocent people.

    well I personally never have and never will kill another person. you?
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    prison:

    one of my favorite topics.
    i was born in june of 1972.
    dad had been hired at the iowa state maximum penitentiary 3 months prior to my birth.
    he worked there for 30 years or so.

    i cannot even begin to tell you the stories i have been told.
    in the 70's and early 80's dad used to come crawling home after work due to fighting convicts all day.
    kicked in the nuts, beat up, and human waste thrown on him daily... pee, crap, and cum.

    some convicts are great people.
    others, not so much.

    have any of you and your brother ever cut your girl friend's head off and played with it in the front yard?
    probably not.
    in prison one of these brothers shanked a dude to death whilst standing in the chow line for breakfast.
    the dude he murdered was a child molester waiting in line for a cinnamon roll.
    to bad they both didn't gargle up blood that morning.
    but i am thrilled that one more child molester died.

    what about killing a dude over a slice of cheese while in the chow line?
    it's happened.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • if you want to simplify an extremely complex issue to try to make your point, then I'll simplify it for you:

    no human has the right to decide the fate of another human's life. case closed. I guess that makes me a little more intelligent than a caveman. :lol:
    what are you basing this on? religious teachings? what does it have to do with intelligence? yes, humans do have the right to kill, in extremely rare and justifiable situations.

    its a pointless argument. either you believe killing is acceptable in rare situations, or you're a fundamentalist that believes in all or nothing.

    if you want a more complex answer dig up one of the millions of death penalty/pacifist threads that pops up here. mine is in there somewhere.
  • edited June 2010
    MrSmith wrote:

    I find that opinion fundamentally scarey.
    dont be afraid unless you kill innocent people.

    well I personally never have and never will kill another person. you?
    depends on the situation (most likely no). i've managed 31 years without killing anyone that i know of. 8-)
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    chadwick wrote:
    prison:

    one of my favorite topics.
    i was born in june of 1972.
    dad had been hired at the iowa state maximum penitentiary 3 months prior to my birth.
    he worked there for 30 years or so.

    i cannot even begin to tell you the stories i have been told.
    in the 70's and early 80's dad used to come crawling home after work due to fighting convicts all day.
    kicked in the nuts, beat up, and human waste thrown on him daily... pee, crap, and cum.

    some convicts are great people.
    others, not so much.

    have any of you and your brother ever cut your girl friend's head off and played with it in the front yard?
    probably not.
    in prison one of these brothers shanked a dude to death whilst standing in the chow line for breakfast.
    the dude he murdered was a child molester waiting in line for a cinnamon roll.
    to bad they both didn't gargle up blood that morning.
    but i am thrilled that one more child molester died.

    what about killing a dude over a slice of cheese while in the chow line?
    it's happened.

    Go Rorschach!!!
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    what you don't understand is that you are personalizing this issue, and it can't be, because then it turns into revenge, which is not what the law is for. If you (and most people who are pro-DP) are going to try to make the point that "how would you feel if it was your (insert loved one here) that was killed, would you still agree with your anti-DP stance?". The answer is a simple "yes". Obviously, I'd want the fucker dead. But it's not up to me. And if you are going to use that argument, you have to be able to look at the flipside of it as well. How would YOU feel if it was your loved one that was on death row, possibly wrongly convicted? Would you still think your loved one is expendable for the so-called greater good? If not, then that my friend is hypocritical. If so, then that my friend makes you, well, I won't say, as I don't want another time out. ;)

    actually i feel all rapists, cold blooded killers, and child molesters should be sent off to decompose in a shallow hole some place. and not just if my children were involved either.

    and yeah if my brother was a sick piece of shit, then yes, he should swing swiftly by the loop of a rope.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i feel some of you are soft and full of shit.
    end of story.
    bring on the bullet and skull.

    now, let me be while i meditate and enjoy my hummingbird sanctuary.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • MrSmith wrote:
    what are you basing this on? religious teachings? what does it have to do with intelligence? yes, humans do have the right to kill, in extremely rare and justifiable situations.

    its a pointless argument. either you believe killing is acceptable in rare situations, or you're a fundamentalist that believes in all or nothing.

    if you want a more complex answer dig up one of the millions of death penalty/pacifist threads that pops up here. mine is in there somewhere.

    religious teachings? HAHA. No, I'm agnostic. WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? OH MY GOD. Highly evolved species (most humans) can and should find an alternative to ending someone's life.

    There is one situation and one situation only: self defence if your life is in danger and the only way not to die is to kill the other person.

    if it's a pointless argument why do you keep arguing? :lol: You say it's justifiable in "extremely rare situations" but then go on to say that all rapists and child molesters should all rot, which would make it an hourly occurence, and hardly rare. Let's just throw them all in a big rocket and send them all to the moon! :lol:

    I'm not one of those people that thinks everyone can be rehabilitated. There are a lot of malfunctioning humans out there that need to be locked up. But everyone has a right to life.
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  • chadwick wrote:
    i feel some of you are soft and full of shit.
    end of story.
    bring on the bullet and skull.

    now, let me be while i meditate and enjoy my hummingbird sanctuary.

    forgive me for being humane. :roll: KILL EM ALL! is that better?
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  • MrSmith wrote:
    what are you basing this on? religious teachings? what does it have to do with intelligence? yes, humans do have the right to kill, in extremely rare and justifiable situations.

    its a pointless argument. either you believe killing is acceptable in rare situations, or you're a fundamentalist that believes in all or nothing.

    if you want a more complex answer dig up one of the millions of death penalty/pacifist threads that pops up here. mine is in there somewhere.

    religious teachings? HAHA. No, I'm agnostic. WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? OH MY GOD. Highly evolved species (most humans) can and should find an alternative to ending someone's life.

    There is one situation and one situation only: self defence if your life is in danger and the only way not to die is to kill the other person.

    if it's a pointless argument why do you keep arguing? :lol: You say it's justifiable in "extremely rare situations" but then go on to say that all rapists and child molesters should all rot, which would make it an hourly occurence, and hardly rare. Let's just throw them all in a big rocket and send them all to the moon! :lol:

    I'm not one of those people that thinks everyone can be rehabilitated. There are a lot of malfunctioning humans out there that need to be locked up. But everyone has a right to life.
    i didnt say that (that was someone else), but anyway i guess it depends on what rare is. i still dont see what intelligence has to do with it. Intelligent people should seek the best way to handle justice. that may or may not mean death.

    but at least you are not one of the crazies on here who think that self defense isnt even a good reason. thats who im used to arguing with here.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chadwick wrote:
    i feel some of you are soft and full of shit.
    end of story.
    bring on the bullet and skull.

    now, let me be while i meditate and enjoy my hummingbird sanctuary.

    forgive me for being humane. :roll: KILL EM ALL! is that better?
    we are not all humane.
    it is not humane to harm children.
    it is not humane to torture women, skin them alive and dance around in their skins.
    it is pretty far from humane when soneone is a rapist who cannot ever stop.

    solution for now is DP and prison.
    kill em all?
    why?
    not everyone should wear a bullet upside thier skull.
    a select few deserve to be put to sleep.
    it is so easy, so simple, that i am baffled that some of you do not see this as simplistic.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • sarcasm. look it up.

    you keep saying you are baffled. no, it's not humane to do the things you mentioned. So, should we lower ourselves to the level of that person? No, we shouldn't. Let them sit in prison and think about what they've done.
    chadwick wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    i feel some of you are soft and full of shit.
    end of story.
    bring on the bullet and skull.

    now, let me be while i meditate and enjoy my hummingbird sanctuary.

    forgive me for being humane. :roll: KILL EM ALL! is that better?
    we are not all humane.
    it is not humane to harm children.
    it is not humane to torture women, skin them alive and dance around in their skins.
    it is pretty far from humane when soneone is a rapist who cannot ever stop.

    solution for now is DP and prison.
    kill em all?
    why?
    not everyone should wear a bullet upside thier skull.
    a select few deserve to be put to sleep.
    it is so easy, so simple, that i am baffled that some of you do not see this as simplistic.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    chadwick wrote:
    i feel some of you are soft and full of shit.
    end of story.
    bring on the bullet and skull.

    now, let me be while i meditate and enjoy my hummingbird sanctuary.

    forgive me for being humane. :roll: KILL EM ALL! is that better?


    Great Album!!!
  • MrSmith wrote:
    i didnt say that (that was someone else),

    my bad, that part was directed at Chadwick.
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  • KO282453 wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    i feel some of you are soft and full of shit.
    end of story.
    bring on the bullet and skull.

    now, let me be while i meditate and enjoy my hummingbird sanctuary.

    forgive me for being humane. :roll: KILL EM ALL! is that better?


    Great Album!!!

    :lol:
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    sarcasm. look it up.

    you keep saying you are baffled. no, it's not humane to do the things you mentioned. So, should we lower ourselves to the level of that person? No, we shouldn't. Let them sit in prison and think about what they've done.
    it is not lowering one's self to protect goodness.
    it is not lowering one's self to wipe out evil.
    i vote for love & kindness.
    maniacs should be destroyed.
    easy shit.

    also, i suggest those against the dp, i suggest you folks get a job at your local prison.
    make sure it's a maximum security facility full of nut jobs.

    then i want you to read the reports on each convict.
    if you can hold your lunch down, you win.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    MrSmith wrote:
    i didnt say that (that was someone else),

    my bad, that part was directed at Chadwick.
    now i am very more confusioned
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • a vote for death is not a vote for love and kindness. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
    chadwick wrote:
    it is not lowering one's self to protect goodness.
    it is not lowering one's self to wipe out evil.
    i vote for love & kindness.
    maniacs should be destroyed.
    easy shit.

    also, i suggest those against the dp, i suggest you folks get a job at your local prison.
    make sure it's a maximum security facility full of nut jobs.

    then i want you to read the reports on each convict.
    if you can hold your lunch down, you win.
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