....also when a person kills another do you think that person knows the penalty for murder is death ? I would guess 99.9% of the people that kill know the penalty and kill anyway sooooo whats the problem ?
....also when a person kills another do you think that person knows the penalty for murder is death ? I would guess 99.9% of the people that kill know the penalty and kill anyway sooooo whats the problem ?
....also when a person kills another do you think that person knows the penalty for murder is death ? I would guess 99.9% of the people that kill know the penalty and kill anyway sooooo whats the problem ?
has anyone seen the life of david gale?
that's a really good example of why i dont support capital punishment
outstanding movie
loved it
i understand the point but
it was made to show the flaws in the system
i only want 100%'ers with no doubt to be executed
about 10 years back
wakefield,mass
a guy goes into work a day after x-mas and shoots the hell out of like 5 people
1 a mother on her first day back to work after maternity leave
and sits and waits for the cops at the front door
no struggle
this guy should have been shot immediatly
someone explain to me why he lives today
and as much internet fact you have to back it up
i do not believe it costs more to execute than to put in prison
at least it doesn't have to
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
I live in Utah, where the state just executed a man by firing squad a little over a day ago. It made me sad. "Civilized" humans killing another.
The way I see it - killing another human being is wrong. Whether it's a man killing his wife and kids or the state of Utah carrying out a sentence from 25 years ago. Killing another human being is morally wrong. I don't see how so many people can see it any other way. The local polls before the execution were ridiculous. Like 82% of these fuck sticks in Utah believe that execution by firing squad is humane....
And I say to myself....what a wonderful world :roll:
i agree.
having to put down another human is terrible.
what do we do with mass murderers?
serial rapists or cut throat cannibals who wear their victims skins?
it happens.
what about a law officer finding a human skin in some dude's glove box?
very sick people.
some ppl enjoy torturing others for what seems like an eternity to the victim.
i wonder about when toes are crushed on up every inch busted up bones to one's skull?
this is reality.
it is terrible.
animals are not this cruel?
well, some monkeys do each other kidnapping young ones and whatnot.
interesting thoughts???
what about the families left behind?
what about the evil pricks family?
horrible thoughts, just terrible.
what are the answers?
so far prisons, bullets, and a few other things work.
rehabilitation is complete bullshit with these guys.
they wanna make stuff out of some old lady's bones & teeth.
weird group these guys.
they like hurting children on chrismas eve, i mean murder.
these are the kinds of dudes dad had to be around 8 hrs a day, 5 day a week.
overtime when rioting.
if you were an evil prick sitting in a prison cell most of the time (maybe even 23 hrs a day depending on your behavior and sentence) would you rather have your favorite tv show unplugged
and have bleach poured into your air ductwork system as often as possible,
or would rather just get it over with and be put to rest?
oh by the way, some dudes in prison eat their own pooh.
nicely done.
would anyone on this message board
dive face first from their bed into a metal toilet
all for a cigarette?
if so, you win.
has anyone seen the life of david gale?
that's a really good example of why i dont support capital punishment
outstanding movie
loved it
i understand the point but
it was made to show the flaws in the system
i only want 100%'ers with no doubt to be executed
about 10 years back
wakefield,mass
a guy goes into work a day after x-mas and shoots the hell out of like 5 people
1 a mother on her first day back to work after maternity leave
and sits and waits for the cops at the front door
no struggle
this guy should have been shot immediatly
someone explain to me why he lives today
and as much internet fact you have to back it up
i do not believe it costs more to execute than to put in prison
at least it doesn't have to
He lives today because the people of Mass. must value human life more than the people of, say Utah.
I don't believe cost is a good argument for either side. Most of these people spend a good portion of their lives in prison before being executed anyway. And I don't think you can put a cost on doing what I believe to be morally right by NOT killing another human.
This isn't the bible, folks. This is reality. And the idea of an eye for an eye is almost laughable....if it weren't so sad.
I see this as a very simple debate. It is either right to kill or wrong to kill. I believe it is wrong to kill. Of course we need to protect society from lunatics, but I do not think killing them is the right way to do it.
Also, I have a hard time giving credit to anyone who argues that rehabilitation cannot work.
For all violent crime offenders (murder, rape, etc) we set aside a few hundred square miles of land somewhere in some wasteland (somewhere in Texas or NM or Oklahoma) and fence it off. They can set up their own society within those walls and continue to kill and rape each other if they want. No more need for prisons or discussions of the death penalty. Problem solved.
george carlin had a very similar idea. he also said they should drop in food, but not enough to feed everyone there. also, they should have gates set up at certain points and tell the "prisoners" that the gates will be opened once a month for only a few seconds and that if anyone can get out, they're free. then set up cameras, put it on pay-per-view, and let the entertainment begin.
He lives today because the people of Mass. must value human life more than the people of, say Utah.
I don't believe cost is a good argument for either side. Most of these people spend a good portion of their lives in prison before being executed anyway. And I don't think you can put a cost on doing what I believe to be morally right by NOT killing another human.
This isn't the bible, folks. This is reality. And the idea of an eye for an eye is almost laughable....if it weren't so sad.
I see this as a very simple debate. It is either right to kill or wrong to kill. I believe it is wrong to kill. Of course we need to protect society from lunatics, but I do not think killing them is the right way to do it.
Also, I have a hard time giving credit to anyone who argues that rehabilitation cannot work.
He lives today because the people of Mass. must value human life more than the people of, say Utah.
I don't believe cost is a good argument for either side. Most of these people spend a good portion of their lives in prison before being executed anyway. And I don't think you can put a cost on doing what I believe to be morally right by NOT killing another human.
This isn't the bible, folks. This is reality. And the idea of an eye for an eye is almost laughable....if it weren't so sad.
I see this as a very simple debate. It is either right to kill or wrong to kill. I believe it is wrong to kill. Of course we need to protect society from lunatics, but I do not think killing them is the right way to do it.
Also, I have a hard time giving credit to anyone who argues that rehabilitation cannot work.
if you honestly believe you can rehabilitate evil would you mind living next door to a seial rapist murder who enjoys torturing & skinning women alive to fashion himself masks and whatnot out of their skins?
if my neighbor was a "former" child predator i would not be at ease.
if you honestly believe you can rehabilitate evil would you mind living next door to a seial rapist murder who enjoys torturing & skinning women alive to fashion himself masks and whatnot out of their skins?
if my neighbor was a "former" child predator i would not be at ease.
I am in no way saying that a serial rapist or murderer should be set free. And I am in no way saying that everyone can be rehabilitated. Well, maybe CAN isn't the right word to use because I do believe anyone CAN....but certainly not everyone will choose that route. There are some sick fucks who choose not to even try. I just don't think they should be killed. That's all I'm saying. Don't turn them loose. Just don't kill them.
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
So.. you would kill someone, someone who probably didn't even see you because you were in their blind spot..
Really???
If so, I'd get your head checked. Everyone gets mad, but emotion is just chemicals going off in your brain. It takes a bigger man to have control over them rather than become another statistic.
BTW, I'm on the fence with the death penalty. Part of me thinks a life in jail would be proper punishment rather than the easy way out with death, but another part of me thinks these people shouldn't be alive wasting our air and tax dollars.
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
it's not really death.
it's more like being sent away.
death happens to decent people.
being sent away happens to the horrible evils of mankind.
what do we do with a guy who abducts women, strings 'em up in the woods and tortures them.
he skins them alive and makes purses out of their breasts?
last i knew this guy was incarcerated in the iowa state penitentiary.
hopefully he's still there.
or in a cold damp box breathing his own bone dust.
rehabilitate this beast?
nicely done.
no you take him by the hand and show him his way to the promise land.
let the universe sort it out.
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
Thank god you have someone like your wife to help keep you under control...
....also when a person kills another do you think that person knows the penalty for murder is death ? I would guess 99.9% of the people that kill know the penalty and kill anyway sooooo whats the problem ?
Godfather.
the problem is they're not cheeseburgers.
it would seem they are as smart as cheese burgers in most cases.
scb I was not trying to bait you on this one,but since you asked...
for a few years before hitler gained total power he was laying the ground work for his power play through
good deeds for the German people who were suffering a very low economy all the while gaining support from the German people and along the way making moves for political power within the interworkings of the German Government and while he was doing this for a few years he would flood Germany with propaganda blaming the Jewish people for the hard times Germany had been going through so by the time he had reached his goal of total power he had the German people behind him 100% and those that questioned him where never heard from again,so really the german people where as much to blame for the mass murder of the Jews as hitler to a point,
hitler was no dummy as he saw a week nation and had the vision to take control and turn it into his own sick and twisted dream of a pure race of people..the "arian nation" and thought he could do this globally....WRONG !!!
and you know the rest.
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
Thank god you have someone like your wife to help keep you under control...
God seems to know what's he's doing
So.. you would kill someone, someone who probably didn't even see you because you were in their blind spot..
Not the same thing as someone putting my wife and i 's life in danger so you can mve up a car length when there's clearly traffic ahead. Why be an ASS? and if you decide to be an ass, know there people like me who would LOVE to kill you.
Not the same thing as someone putting my wife and i 's life in danger so you can mve up a car length when there's clearly traffic ahead. Why be an ASS? and if you decide to be an ass, know there people like me who would LOVE to kill you.
You may or may not be criminally insane. But I bet you can guess which way I'm leaning...
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
So if you exercised your 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, you got cut off in traffic one day, your blood boiled, and you lost it and shot and killed the guy who cut you off, should you be executed?
Everyone - Should he be executed?
Also, for those of you who believe that it is sometimes morally acceptable to kill a person against his/her will, under precisely what circumstances is this acceptable?
Not the same thing as someone putting my wife and i 's life in danger so you can mve up a car length when there's clearly traffic ahead. Why be an ASS? and if you decide to be an ass, know there people like me who would LOVE to kill you.
You may or may not be criminally insane. But I bet you can guess which way I'm leaning...
ya and i guess your right, but it's hard to feel like the bad guy when my driving is'nt putting anybody esle's life in danger.
just to clear up,i didn't write the blindside comment, i was responding to it. it was in a back post.
scb I was not trying to bait you on this one,but since you asked...
for a few years before hitler gained total power he was laying the ground work for his power play through
good deeds for the German people who were suffering a very low economy all the while gaining support from the German people and along the way making moves for political power within the interworkings of the German Government and while he was doing this for a few years he would flood Germany with propaganda blaming the Jewish people for the hard times Germany had been going through so by the time he had reached his goal of total power he had the German people behind him 100% and those that questioned him where never heard from again,so really the german people where as much to blame for the mass murder of the Jews as hitler to a point,
hitler was no dummy as he saw a week nation and had the vision to take control and turn it into his own sick and twisted dream of a pure race of people..the "arian nation" and thought he could do this globally....WRONG !!!
and you know the rest.
Godfather.
My point was that he could never have convinced an entire society that a group of people deserved to be put to death if that society didn't believe that it was okay to kill "deserving" people. Once a society believes that killing others against their will is okay in some circumstances, the only thin line between the death penalty and genocide is redefining who falls under those circumstances (which, as Hitler has shown us, is not always too difficult to do).
i dont know how a human can wish death upon another regardless of what theyve done.
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
So if you exercised your 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, you got cut off in traffic one day, your blood boiled, and you lost it and shot and killed the guy who cut you off, should you be executed?
Everyone - Should he be executed?
Also, for those of you who believe that it is sometimes morally acceptable to kill a person against his/her will, under precisely what circumstances is this acceptable?
should he be executed?
yes
cold-blooded murderer
for your last question, are you talking death penalty or murder?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Comments
Godfather.
that's a really good example of why i dont support capital punishment
Godfather.
I'm sure you're going to enlighten me...
outstanding movie
loved it
i understand the point but
it was made to show the flaws in the system
i only want 100%'ers with no doubt to be executed
about 10 years back
wakefield,mass
a guy goes into work a day after x-mas and shoots the hell out of like 5 people
1 a mother on her first day back to work after maternity leave
and sits and waits for the cops at the front door
no struggle
this guy should have been shot immediatly
someone explain to me why he lives today
and as much internet fact you have to back it up
i do not believe it costs more to execute than to put in prison
at least it doesn't have to
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
having to put down another human is terrible.
what do we do with mass murderers?
serial rapists or cut throat cannibals who wear their victims skins?
it happens.
what about a law officer finding a human skin in some dude's glove box?
very sick people.
some ppl enjoy torturing others for what seems like an eternity to the victim.
i wonder about when toes are crushed on up every inch busted up bones to one's skull?
this is reality.
it is terrible.
animals are not this cruel?
well, some monkeys do each other kidnapping young ones and whatnot.
interesting thoughts???
what about the families left behind?
what about the evil pricks family?
horrible thoughts, just terrible.
what are the answers?
so far prisons, bullets, and a few other things work.
rehabilitation is complete bullshit with these guys.
they wanna make stuff out of some old lady's bones & teeth.
weird group these guys.
they like hurting children on chrismas eve, i mean murder.
these are the kinds of dudes dad had to be around 8 hrs a day, 5 day a week.
overtime when rioting.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
and have bleach poured into your air ductwork system as often as possible,
or would rather just get it over with and be put to rest?
oh by the way, some dudes in prison eat their own pooh.
nicely done.
would anyone on this message board
dive face first from their bed into a metal toilet
all for a cigarette?
if so, you win.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I don't believe cost is a good argument for either side. Most of these people spend a good portion of their lives in prison before being executed anyway. And I don't think you can put a cost on doing what I believe to be morally right by NOT killing another human.
This isn't the bible, folks. This is reality. And the idea of an eye for an eye is almost laughable....if it weren't so sad.
I see this as a very simple debate. It is either right to kill or wrong to kill. I believe it is wrong to kill. Of course we need to protect society from lunatics, but I do not think killing them is the right way to do it.
Also, I have a hard time giving credit to anyone who argues that rehabilitation cannot work.
george carlin had a very similar idea. he also said they should drop in food, but not enough to feed everyone there. also, they should have gates set up at certain points and tell the "prisoners" that the gates will be opened once a month for only a few seconds and that if anyone can get out, they're free. then set up cameras, put it on pay-per-view, and let the entertainment begin.
speaking of things that are laughable.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
btw, you haven't a clue.
if you honestly believe you can rehabilitate evil would you mind living next door to a seial rapist murder who enjoys torturing & skinning women alive to fashion himself masks and whatnot out of their skins?
if my neighbor was a "former" child predator i would not be at ease.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
You've never been cut off in traffic? that boil's my blood. My wife won't let me get a gun, she's worried i would lose it someday and go postal...she's probably not wrong. My wife's like you, but you have to remember, there's people like me out there too.
Really???
If so, I'd get your head checked. Everyone gets mad, but emotion is just chemicals going off in your brain. It takes a bigger man to have control over them rather than become another statistic.
BTW, I'm on the fence with the death penalty. Part of me thinks a life in jail would be proper punishment rather than the easy way out with death, but another part of me thinks these people shouldn't be alive wasting our air and tax dollars.
it's not really death.
it's more like being sent away.
death happens to decent people.
being sent away happens to the horrible evils of mankind.
what do we do with a guy who abducts women, strings 'em up in the woods and tortures them.
he skins them alive and makes purses out of their breasts?
last i knew this guy was incarcerated in the iowa state penitentiary.
hopefully he's still there.
or in a cold damp box breathing his own bone dust.
rehabilitate this beast?
nicely done.
no you take him by the hand and show him his way to the promise land.
let the universe sort it out.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
it would seem they are as smart as cheese burgers in most cases.
Godfather.
for a few years before hitler gained total power he was laying the ground work for his power play through
good deeds for the German people who were suffering a very low economy all the while gaining support from the German people and along the way making moves for political power within the interworkings of the German Government and while he was doing this for a few years he would flood Germany with propaganda blaming the Jewish people for the hard times Germany had been going through so by the time he had reached his goal of total power he had the German people behind him 100% and those that questioned him where never heard from again,so really the german people where as much to blame for the mass murder of the Jews as hitler to a point,
hitler was no dummy as he saw a week nation and had the vision to take control and turn it into his own sick and twisted dream of a pure race of people..the "arian nation" and thought he could do this globally....WRONG !!!
and you know the rest.
Godfather.
God seems to know what's he's doing
So.. you would kill someone, someone who probably didn't even see you because you were in their blind spot..
Not the same thing as someone putting my wife and i 's life in danger so you can mve up a car length when there's clearly traffic ahead. Why be an ASS? and if you decide to be an ass, know there people like me who would LOVE to kill you.
:shock:
So if you exercised your 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, you got cut off in traffic one day, your blood boiled, and you lost it and shot and killed the guy who cut you off, should you be executed?
Everyone - Should he be executed?
Also, for those of you who believe that it is sometimes morally acceptable to kill a person against his/her will, under precisely what circumstances is this acceptable?
ya and i guess your right, but it's hard to feel like the bad guy when my driving is'nt putting anybody esle's life in danger.
just to clear up,i didn't write the blindside comment, i was responding to it. it was in a back post.
My point was that he could never have convinced an entire society that a group of people deserved to be put to death if that society didn't believe that it was okay to kill "deserving" people. Once a society believes that killing others against their will is okay in some circumstances, the only thin line between the death penalty and genocide is redefining who falls under those circumstances (which, as Hitler has shown us, is not always too difficult to do).
should he be executed?
yes
cold-blooded murderer
for your last question, are you talking death penalty or murder?
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13