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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I think all of us recognize these matters, but it's nothing more than wishful thinking. People are narrow and simple minded...


    CJMST3K wrote:
    The idea of God gives people comfort. It also gives people resolution that its all in "someone else's" hands, and allows them to be ok with a lack of control. And it makes people a little less fearful at the time they die, hoping that there's something afterwards other than nothingness.
    CONservative governMENt

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  • EddieLedBetter
    EddieLedBetter Posts: 360
    edited January 2010
    How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.

    To me it would be unscientific to rule out the variable of the God factor.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    How a person gains their morality is argueable at best... but on the other side of the coin, not much in any religious text has led me to believe that's moral either. In the Koran, Bible and other religious texts, god is a vengeful, spiteful figure which we as humans, wouldn't want to emmulate.
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.


    Morality is different from culture to culture. Which culture's morality are you referring to? Or are you referring to human-morality, with all it's differences with the human species?
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  • EddieLedBetter
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    FiveB247x wrote:
    How a person gains their morality is argueable at best... but on the other side of the coin, not much in any religious text has led me to believe that's moral either. In the Koran, Bible and other religious texts, god is a vengeful, spiteful figure which we as humans, wouldn't want to emmulate.
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.

    You could say that peoples morals are differnent. For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.

    So if we all deep down have those morals in us the perscription has to have a perscriber.

    We've already established that if God does or doesnt exist he is unlike us. Not understandable by us. Just like the ape able to chew the skin off the golf ball. Different
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Morality is the justification for many wars, and even glorifies some of them. Morality has been behind the burning of "witches" who didn't fit into the Puritanical society. Morality is why women in the middle east are legally beaten for not covering up an arm or their face. Morality is why homosexuals don't have the same rights as everyone. Behind most every crime committed by a group or by a government, you will find your santimonious morality. "Moralic Acid" if you will...

    I'm losing it.......... :evil:

    I have to leave.............. :x

    Maybe this is why people do drugs................. :?

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  • EddieLedBetter
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.


    Morality is different from culture to culture. Which culture's morality are you referring to? Or are you referring to human-morality, with all it's differences with the human species?

    They differ but have a general base. Ya the whole have nine wives feels good but if another man tries to take one of yours or God poof changes a man into a woman and hes made to live by those standards it will to that person feel wrong.

    That ingrained feeling of right and wrong is what I'm refering to.

    The morality of WRONG is what those wars were faught over. Who is the father of wrong and who is the Father of right?
  • CJMST3K
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.


    I think you're confusing what you believe is universal "morals" for what all animals and humans have - an aversion to something painful. Most humans and some animals are smart enough to know that: Man running at me with knife = pain.
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  • he still stands
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.


    I think you're confusing what you believe is universal "morals" for what all animals and humans have - an aversion to something painful. Most humans and some animals are smart enough to know that: Man running at me with knife = pain.

    don't forget the masochist animals. It's inclusion, baby.
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  • markin ball
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    quote]

    I can look at things we create and know that something created it. I dont know who but I know someone did. I logically know that just because I cant see the guy who did, he still exists.[/quote]

    Then someone or something must have created God, right? No, wait, I meant everything else but God.
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  • EddieLedBetter
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.


    I think you're confusing what you believe is universal "morals" for what all animals and humans have - an aversion to something painful. Most humans and some animals are smart enough to know that: Man running at me with knife = pain.
    CJMST3K wrote:
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.

    Lying isnt painful. Here a recent scientific study "Misbehavior by scientists is more prevalent than you might think. A survey conducted by University of Minnesota researchers found that 33% of scientists admitted to engaging in some kind of research misbehavior, including more than 20% of mid-career scientists who admitted to “changing the design, methodology or results of a study in response to pressure from a funding source.” Think of how many more have done this but refuse to admit it!"

    Scientists look for causes, and logically, there are only two possible types of causes—intelligent causes or non-intelligent causes (i.e. natural causes). A natural cause can explain a geologic wonder like the Grand Canyon, but only an intelligent cause can explain a geologic wonder like the faces of the presidents on Mount Rushmore. Likewise, natural laws can explain why ink adheres to the paper in a book, but only an intelligent cause can explain the information in that book. DNA is an intelligent language. Who wrote it Dr. Random Chance?
  • EddieLedBetter
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    markin ball wrote:
    quote]

    I can look at things we create and know that something created it. I dont know who but I know someone did. I logically know that just because I cant see the guy who did, he still exists.[/quote]

    Then someone or something must have created God, right? No, wait, I meant everything else but God.

    Maybe, since we are the life under the microscope who are we to ask. What created the energy that sparked the big bang?

    I work with baboons and they dont ask me where the food comes from they just accept it and eat it.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    CJMST3K wrote:
    The idea of God gives people comfort. It also gives people resolution that its all in "someone else's" hands, and allows them to be ok with a lack of control. And it makes people a little less fearful at the time they die, hoping that there's something afterwards other than nothingness.
    ...
    That is probably why Man created God in his image. Remember, these men who crafted these early stories which made their way into the Bible and other Holy Texts didn't have a clue what the stars were... why the Sun traveled its path each day... how ocean waves worked. It MUST be something else. They, probably couldn't understand the weather any better than my cat... so, when it rained and flooded their fields... it HAD to be someone dong this... someone who is powerful and who is pissed at us.
    And I think that faith and hope are positive human traits. If the belief comforts them... that's good. One of the things that sets us apart from the other living things is that we learn... at a relatively early age... that we will eventually die. And no one has ever come back from the dead to tell us what's out there or what isn't.
    NOTE: I'm not talking about someone whose heart stopped and was restarted with a defibulator... or someone in a coma for 20 years who suddenly snapped out of it. I'm talking dead... for days... crossed over... been to Heaven... talked to God... then, came back to tell us.
    All we know is we will die. Death is a passage... a passage to a different level of consciousness or a passage into a void. We just don't know.
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  • Cosmo
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    How does science explain morality? What all humans whether they follow that feeling or not have engrained in them.

    To me it would be unscientific to rule out the variable of the God factor.
    ...
    Morality does not fall under the realm of Science. Morality is argued in Psychology and Philosophy.
    This is why 'Intelligent Design' is not a science. it is as much a science as Astrology.
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  • CJMST3K
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    DNA is an intelligent language. Who wrote it Dr. Random Chance?

    Life's "language" (it is believed by secular, non-partisan scientists) started off as one-celled creatures that appeared about 3 billion years ago. It eventually evolved from single celled organisms into multicellular organisms. It then (over significant years) evolved into creatures with DNA.

    Author: Evolution (aka nature's trial-and-error)
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  • Cosmo
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    They differ but have a general base. Ya the whole have nine wives feels good but if another man tries to take one of yours or God poof changes a man into a woman and hes made to live by those standards it will to that person feel wrong.

    That ingrained feeling of right and wrong is what I'm refering to.

    The morality of WRONG is what those wars were faught over. Who is the father of wrong and who is the Father of right?
    Wrong... according to who?
    Al Qaeda can argue that they are fighting the evils of Western Imperialistic expansion that sucks up the resources from under their homeland and pays it to corrupt Monarchs or governemnts, leaving the people who live there in poverty. That Western Civilization worships Dollah, not Allah... sexual deviation... corrupt, decadent and away from the light of God. The United States is the modern day Rome... the modern day Goliath that needs to be taken down before it spreads its decadence to everyone.
    Is their point right or wrong?
    Answer: I depends on where you sit.
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  • CJMST3K
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    I work with baboons


    Oh, crap.

    You're the "I work with baboons" guy.

    The same one from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=120314&p=2724959&hilit=baboons#p2724959

    The one who said "Baboons don't have souls". That said baboons have "no emotion". That said "they show no levels of pain when they are hurt". That "a dog whines when they are hurt but its a simplistic reaction to a cause".



    ...sorry. I thought I had a chance to have an intelligent conversation with you. Your take on animals and that they are just mindless machines has convinced me otherwise.

    EddieLedBetter wrote:

    I work with baboons and they dont ask me where the food comes from they just accept it and eat it.

    I think your answer below answers that pretty simply.
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    First of all animals that are tested in research facilities arent just pulled from the wild. They are specifically bread for the purpose of testing.

    ...so, why would a baboon question where it comes from, when it's always just arrived?
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  • FiveB247x
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    This is not morality. This is: In some countries, female genitile mutilation is accepted and others it is not. Now, are we to believe a god/creator somehow told one group in one area that this practice is ok, compared the opposite in another? Or how about specific things like rights/freedoms? Why is it so many religious people say these or their morals come from god, yet everyone has a different meaning and definition on what they specifically mean or include? Doesn't add up in the end and is just another fact that god does not exist or even at best case scenario, did a very poor job.
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    You could say that peoples morals are differnent. For example if YOU go around killing people you could say its not wrong because you dont feel moraly wrong doing it. I gaurantee you if someone came and tried to kill you, you would think hey wait a minute thats not right. Its only when it happens to us do we feel those morals that ARE infact ingrained in every human.

    So if we all deep down have those morals in us the perscription has to have a perscriber.

    We've already established that if God does or doesnt exist he is unlike us. Not understandable by us. Just like the ape able to chew the skin off the golf ball. Different
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  • markin ball
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    markin ball wrote:
    quote]

    I can look at things we create and know that something created it. I dont know who but I know someone did. I logically know that just because I cant see the guy who did, he still exists.[/quote]

    Then someone or something must have created God, right? No, wait, I meant everything else but God.

    Maybe, since we are the life under the microscope who are we to ask. What created the energy that sparked the big bang?
    I work with baboons and they dont ask me where the food comes from they just accept it and eat it.

    What created the energy that sparked God? Any attempt in proving the existence God based on reasoning and logic is defeated by the same line of thinking.
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  • KDH12
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    so have you guys figured it out yet in 20+ pages?

    sorry I had to stop reading this one couldn't keep up
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