questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miricals in my life.
I am by no means a perefect christan but I try to be the best I can...and it aint eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magicly answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many queations about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestamate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
I know right from wrong without any magical person speaking through my aortic valves.
So you admit then, from your "gamble" question that you are merely believing in him out of fear of the consequences. To me that's bogus. I've never understood the idea of a so-called loving and merciful god making his children fear him into believing in him. That's totally contradictory. I love my children unconditionally, but I won't make them fear me to love me. Someone earlier, I think it was eddie, stated that fear=respect. No, it does not. That's how gangs work. I didn't think faith was supposed to be the same.
That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist.
Whatever helps along on your journey is awesome for you. I AM peaceful. More than I ever was when I was a faith-er. And don't tell me I wasn't a true believer or some BS like that. I bought that stuff hook line and sinker. I believed in my heart that JC was my saviour.
If you believe that he healed the sick and walked on water and all that, who's to say Criss Angel isn't the second coming?
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
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St. Paul 2014
Heaven isn't clearly described in the bible because I believe it's indescribable to us, inconceivable. On the other hand Hell is clearly described. Eternal torment, nashing of teeth, the evilest of evils. Not a place I'm willing to gamble my soul with.
On the other hand Hell is clearly described. Eternal torment, nashing of teeth...
What happens if you nash your teeth too hard in hell? Will they break? Could you chip a tooth in hell?
If you're a kid in hell, and you chip your teeth from all the nashing, will your adult teeth push the old ones out eventually, or are you stuck with a chipped bicuspid for eternity?
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questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miricals in my life.
I am by no means a perefect christan but I try to be the best I can...and it aint eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magicly answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many queations about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestamate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
I know right from wrong without any magical person speaking through my aortic valves.
So you admit then, from your "gamble" question that you are merely believing in him out of fear of the consequences. To me that's bogus. I've never understood the idea of a so-called loving and merciful god making his children fear him into believing in him. That's totally contradictory. I love my children unconditionally, but I won't make them fear me to love me. Someone earlier, I think it was eddie, stated that fear=respect. No, it does not. That's how gangs work. I didn't think faith was supposed to be the same.
That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist.
Whatever helps along on your journey is awesome for you. I AM peaceful. More than I ever was when I was a faith-er. And don't tell me I wasn't a true believer or some BS like that. I bought that stuff hook line and sinker. I believed in my heart that JC was my saviour.
If you believe that he healed the sick and walked on water and all that, who's to say Criss Angel isn't the second coming?
What I ment by fearing God is respecting him. Like I said earlier we were his children until the fall of man. Jesus said we are no longer gods children unless we die to our worldly nature and become his children again. You did that once.
You honestly think a comfort factor is enough to cause someone to follow god? People follow god because they see his works when they are living the life, it's not something you self prescribe.
You lost faith because you went on emotion alone. You have to delve into why you believe in Christianity. Do some research on Christian apologetics. Read "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist". It gives tons of scientific logical reasons to belive in a god. If you still think without a shadow of a doubt there is no god then you can call it done. I just think if you were saved there is still hope for you and we didn't collide in the conversations by random chance.
On the other hand Hell is clearly described. Eternal torment, nashing of teeth...
What happens if you nash your teeth too hard in hell? Will they break? Could you chip a tooth in hell?
If you're a kid in hell, and you chip your teeth from all the nashing, will your adult teeth push the old ones out eventually, or are you stuck with a chipped bicuspid for eternity?
I'm doubting the teeth spoken of will be yours bra
On the other hand Hell is clearly described. Eternal torment, nashing of teeth...
What happens if you nash your teeth too hard in hell? Will they break? Could you chip a tooth in hell?
If you're a kid in hell, and you chip your teeth from all the nashing, will your adult teeth push the old ones out eventually, or are you stuck with a chipped bicuspid for eternity?
I'm doubting the teeth spoken of will be yours bra
I know man. I just want to have a conversation which follows the logic of what you're describing.
If teeth are nashing, any dentist would tell you that nerve damage will eventually happen, and probably with a number of people, their teeth will get chipped or broken. If kids in hell who have their kid-teeth damaged, will their adult teeth eventually replace the broken adolescent teeth?
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What I ment by fearing God is respecting him. Like I said earlier we were his children until the fall of man. Jesus said we are no longer gods children unless we die to our worldly nature and become his children again. You did that once.
You honestly think a comfort factor is enough to cause someone to follow god? People follow god because they see his works when they are living the life, it's not something you self prescribe.
You lost faith because you went on emotion alone. You have to delve into why you believe in Christianity. Do some research on Christian apologetics. Read "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist". It gives tons of scientific logical reasons to belive in a god. If you still think without a shadow of a doubt there is no god then you can call it done. I just think if you were saved there is still hope for you and we didn't collide in the conversations by random chance.
you were his children until the fall of man. you mean when the apple was bitten? so there were only two children of god and then it got ruined? that was fast. if humans were an experiment, god is a pretty shitty chemist.
yes, from what you and godfather (and countless others) have described to me about not wanting to gamble your soul tells me that part of the reason you choose to believe is because you are afraid of what might happen to you if you don't. you know, the saying "god fearing"? they don't call it "god respecting" for a reason.
if you think I came by this decision lightly, you are sadly mistaken. yes, religion and faith are a decision.
"hope for me". ha. there you go with your condescending god-boy speak again. you think we got into this conversation so you can somehow save me? :roll: am I the new "mission" that god gave you? somehow I have given you purpose over the past few days? god so loves you and believes in you that he gave you the task of casting the devil out of me? gimme a break, dude. you seem to put yourself on some sort of pedestal, and that's the exact same type of christian that I want nothing to do with.
there are no scientific logical reasons to believe in god. only reasons based on faith alone. nothing else. and that's my opinion. Unlike you, I will never try to disguise my opinion as fact.
conversations like this remind me of a jilted lover that just can't accept the truth that the relationship is over. well, get over it, man. I don't need saving. it's really quite simple.
see, I can respect the opinions of some of the believers on this board who don't get all high and mighty on the rest of us and try to convert us. I even told you folk that I respected your right to believe and how do you respond? telling me to have fun in hell. how christian of you.
Peace.
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Santa Claus and the tooth fairy never were publicly convicted, tortured or put to death. Not a good enough argument. Why would one wish to make this story up and have it passed down through the ages? What would be the purpose of that if there wasnt some truth?
the jesus story of the virgin birth and all that was told before the jesus we know.
questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miricals in my life.
I am by no means a perefect christan but I try to be the best I can...and it aint eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magicly answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many queations about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestamate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
I know right from wrong without any magical person speaking through my aortic valves.
So you admit then, from your "gamble" question that you are merely believing in him out of fear of the consequences. To me that's bogus. I've never understood the idea of a so-called loving and merciful god making his children fear him into believing in him. That's totally contradictory. I love my children unconditionally, but I won't make them fear me to love me. Someone earlier, I think it was eddie, stated that fear=respect. No, it does not. That's how gangs work. I didn't think faith was supposed to be the same.
That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist.
Whatever helps along on your journey is awesome for you. I AM peaceful. More than I ever was when I was a faith-er. And don't tell me I wasn't a true believer or some BS like that. I bought that stuff hook line and sinker. I believed in my heart that JC was my saviour.
If you believe that he healed the sick and walked on water and all that, who's to say Criss Angel isn't the second coming?
What I ment by fearing God is respecting him. Like I said earlier we were his children until the fall of man. Jesus said we are no longer gods children unless we die to our worldly nature and become his children again. You did that once.
You honestly think a comfort factor is enough to cause someone to follow god? People follow god because they see his works when they are living the life, it's not something you self prescribe.
You lost faith because you went on emotion alone. You have to delve into why you believe in Christianity. Do some research on Christian apologetics. Read "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist". It gives tons of scientific logical reasons to belive in a god. If you still think without a shadow of a doubt there is no god then you can call it done. I just think if you were saved there is still hope for you and we didn't collide in the conversations by random chance.
I did not read the book but I skimmed the synopsis. One of the main points of the book appears to be that it is not logical to explain the existence of something like a Rolex or a human being as an accident, that it must have been designed intelligently. Okay, WHO DESIGNED GOD????? How could a being so perfect and omnipotent just exist by accident or chance?
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
Heaven isn't clearly described in the bible because I believe it's indescribable to us, inconceivable. On the other hand Hell is clearly described. Eternal torment, nashing of teeth, the evilest of evils. Not a place I'm willing to gamble my soul with.
Here is what happens to people who don't follow Islam. They go here:
Muslims believe in jahannam (in Arabic: جهنم) (which is related to the Hebrew word gehinnom and resembles the versions of Hell in Christianity). In the Qur'an, the holy book of Islam, there are literal descriptions of the condemned in a fiery Hell, as contrasted to the garden-like Paradise (jannah) enjoyed by righteous believers.
In addition, Heaven and Hell are split into many different levels depending on the actions perpetrated in life, where punishment is given depending on the level of evil done in life, and good is separated into other levels depending on how well one followed God while alive. The gate of Hell is guarded by Maalik who is the leader of the angels assigned as the guards of hell also known as Zabaaniyah. The Quran states that the fuel of Hellfire is rocks/stones (idols) and human beings.
Although generally Hell is often portrayed as a hot steaming and tormenting place for sinners, there is one Hell pit which is characterized differently from the other Hell in Islamic tradition. Zamhareer is seen as the coldest and the most freezing Hell of all; yet its coldness is not seen as a pleasure or a relief to the sinners who committed crimes against God. The state of the Hell of Zamhareer is a suffering of extreme coldness, of blizzards, ice, and snow which no one on this earth can bear. The lowest pit of all existing Hells is the Hawiyah which is meant for the hypocrites and two-faced people who claimed to believe in Allah and His messenger by the tongue but denounced both in their hearts. Hypocrisy is considered to be one of the most dangerous sins, and so is Shirk. According to the Qur'an and Hadith, all those who have received and rejected Islamic teachings will go to Hell.
Are you willing to gamble your soul to this Hell, or do you follow the teachings of Islam as well as Christianity?
Heaven isn't clearly described in the bible because I believe it's indescribable to us, inconceivable. On the other hand Hell is clearly described. Eternal torment, nashing of teeth, the evilest of evils. Not a place I'm willing to gamble my soul with.
...
Which brings up another question for me...
People will tell me stuff like that... they are good here on Earth because of the promise of Heaven or fear of Hell. Is that a condition of faith? Shouldn't you love God... just because... and not expect anything in return?
I mean, someone who has been kind and giving to people... because of th humanity that is in him... not looking for any reward... does it just because his moral compass says it's the right thing to do. But, because he does not belong to a religious faith... or do the things that the church (i.e. the Bible) tells him he must... he goes to Hell?
And someone who shot and killed a 7-11 clerk for $37.00 from the register and 3 cartons of Marlboros... is convicted to life in prison... where he find Jesus and accepts Him into his life... he goes to Heaven?
On a larger scale... doesn't that make it possible for Hitler to make it into Heaven and the 6 million Jews go to Hell?
Is that how it works?
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questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miracles in my life.
I am by no means a prefect Christan but I try to be the best I can...and it ain't eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magical answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many questions about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestimate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
I know right from wrong without any magical person speaking through my aortic valves.
So you admit then, from your "gamble" question that you are merely believing in him out of fear of the consequences. To me that's bogus. I've never understood the idea of a so-called loving and merciful god making his children fear him into believing in him. That's totally contradictory. I love my children unconditionally, but I won't make them fear me to love me. Someone earlier, I think it was eddie, stated that fear=respect. No, it does not. That's how gangs work. I didn't think faith was supposed to be the same.
That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist.
Whatever helps along on your journey is awesome for you. I AM peaceful. More than I ever was when I was a faith-er. And don't tell me I wasn't a true believer or some BS like that. I bought that stuff hook line and sinker. I believed in my heart that JC was my Saviour.
If you believe that he healed the sick and walked on water and all that, who's to say Criss Angel isn't the second coming?
"That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist."...I didn't say that.
yes I do, and when Christ arrives you will know.
believe as you wish my friend, I'm not judging you at all and I apologize if I have offended you.
life is a cool journey for sure,so much to learn and we can only do our best.
questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miricals in my life.
I am by no means a perefect christan but I try to be the best I can...and it aint eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magicly answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many queations about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestamate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
your beliefs appear to be guided by fear....that's a copout
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questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miricals in my life.
I am by no means a perefect christan but I try to be the best I can...and it aint eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magicly answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many queations about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestamate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
your beliefs appear to be guided by fear....that's a copout
Heaven isn't clearly described in the bible because I believe it's indescribable to us, inconceivable. On the other hand Hell is clearly described. Eternal torment, nashing of teeth, the evilest of evils. Not a place I'm willing to gamble my soul with.
...
Which brings up another question for me...
People will tell me stuff like that... they are good here on Earth because of the promise of Heaven or fear of Hell. Is that a condition of faith? Shouldn't you love God... just because... and not expect anything in return?
I mean, someone who has been kind and giving to people... because of th humanity that is in him... not looking for any reward... does it just because his moral compass says it's the right thing to do. But, because he does not belong to a religious faith... or do the things that the church (i.e. the Bible) tells him he must... he goes to Hell?
And someone who shot and killed a 7-11 clerk for $37.00 from the register and 3 cartons of Marlboros... is convicted to life in prison... where he find Jesus and accepts Him into his life... he goes to Heaven?
On a larger scale... doesn't that make it possible for Hitler to make it into Heaven and the 6 million Jews go to Hell?
Is that how it works?
that's an excellent point cosmo. I have never done anything nice out of fear of some sort of other-worldly retribution. I do it because doing nice things makes me feel good as a human being.
Hitler will be in heaven according to their entrace requirements, yes. Jews believe in god, just not that jesus was the saviour. I thought just believing in god was your ticket in? Do you have to believe in jesus as your saviour to get through to the vip lounge known as the afterlife?
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miricals in my life.
I am by no means a perefect christan but I try to be the best I can...and it aint eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magicly answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many queations about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestamate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
your beliefs appear to be guided by fear....that's a copout
"That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist."...I didn't say that.
yes I do, and when Christ arrives you will know.
believe as you wish my friend, I'm not judging you at all and I apologize if I have offended you.
life is a cool journey for sure,so much to learn and we can only do our best.
Godfather
you didn't offend me. it just bothers me when some christians get all high and mighty about "you'll see" like you know something the rest of us don't. I just wish people on either side could at the very least admit that they don't know for sure. To say you do either way is ridiculous. No god=my opinion. definitely god=your opinion. and that's that.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miricals in my life.
I am by no means a perefect christan but I try to be the best I can...and it aint eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magicly answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many queations about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestamate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
your beliefs appear to be guided by fear....that's a copout
you sound young, enjoy my friend.
Godfather.
yet another condescending comment from a believer. shocker.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
questions...
I have been living with faith for a long time now,I regulary speak with God(no I don't sit with him over coffee)
although he is with me every day and he has worked some great miricals in my life.
I am by no means a perefect christan but I try to be the best I can...and it aint eassy believe me !
accepting Christ into your heart dose not magicly answer all the questions you all are asking
"when end of days comes" is not having Christ in your heart a gamble you would want to take ?
I don't know who will be accepted into heaven and who will not but I do know having the peaceful
feeling of Christ in my heart makes looking at the world a little ez'er.
there are so many queations about God I would like to have the answers to,most times I know in my
heart what is good and what is bad right/wrong, Christ will speak through your Heart if you will let him
then your answer or actions are up to you,doing the right thing aint so bad..sometimes not so ez but
in the end you will probably feel better about your self.
I often say to people "never underestamate the power of prayer"
Godfather.
your beliefs appear to be guided by fear....that's a copout
you sound young, enjoy my friend.
Godfather.
I'm 41 and I don't believe in Santa Claus either
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"That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist."...I didn't say that.
yes I do, and when Christ arrives you will know.
believe as you wish my friend, I'm not judging you at all and I apologize if I have offended you.
life is a cool journey for sure,so much to learn and we can only do our best.
Godfather
you didn't offend me. it just bothers me when some christians get all high and mighty about "you'll see" like you know something the rest of us don't. I just wish people on either side could at the very least admit that they don't know for sure. To say you do either way is ridiculous. No god=my opinion. definitely god=your opinion. and that's that.
in my heart I know,just as you once did.
it's all good,I wish good thing for all cuz life is a gift.
when i was younger it was simple to take the safe path...
If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
now it's even simpler.
i know i was born and i know that i'll die. the in between is mine.
What happens if you nash your teeth too hard in hell? Will they break? Could you chip a tooth in hell?
If you're a kid in hell, and you chip your teeth from all the nashing, will your adult teeth push the old ones out eventually, or are you stuck with a chipped bicuspid for eternity?
I know man. I just want to have a conversation which follows the logic of what you're describing.
If teeth are nashing, any dentist would tell you that nerve damage will eventually happen, and probably with a number of people, their teeth will get chipped or broken. If kids in hell who have their kid-teeth damaged, will their adult teeth eventually replace the broken adolescent teeth?
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If you really want logical evidence for gods existence its out there you just have to seach for it with an open mind. Evidence so overwhelming you'll find that it takes more faith not to believe in god.
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I know right from wrong without any magical person speaking through my aortic valves.
So you admit then, from your "gamble" question that you are merely believing in him out of fear of the consequences. To me that's bogus. I've never understood the idea of a so-called loving and merciful god making his children fear him into believing in him. That's totally contradictory. I love my children unconditionally, but I won't make them fear me to love me. Someone earlier, I think it was eddie, stated that fear=respect. No, it does not. That's how gangs work. I didn't think faith was supposed to be the same.
That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist.
Whatever helps along on your journey is awesome for you. I AM peaceful. More than I ever was when I was a faith-er. And don't tell me I wasn't a true believer or some BS like that. I bought that stuff hook line and sinker. I believed in my heart that JC was my saviour.
If you believe that he healed the sick and walked on water and all that, who's to say Criss Angel isn't the second coming?
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What happens if you nash your teeth too hard in hell? Will they break? Could you chip a tooth in hell?
If you're a kid in hell, and you chip your teeth from all the nashing, will your adult teeth push the old ones out eventually, or are you stuck with a chipped bicuspid for eternity?
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*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
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You honestly think a comfort factor is enough to cause someone to follow god? People follow god because they see his works when they are living the life, it's not something you self prescribe.
You lost faith because you went on emotion alone. You have to delve into why you believe in Christianity. Do some research on Christian apologetics. Read "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist". It gives tons of scientific logical reasons to belive in a god. If you still think without a shadow of a doubt there is no god then you can call it done. I just think if you were saved there is still hope for you and we didn't collide in the conversations by random chance.
I'm doubting the teeth spoken of will be yours bra
I know man.
If teeth are nashing, any dentist would tell you that nerve damage will eventually happen, and probably with a number of people, their teeth will get chipped or broken. If kids in hell who have their kid-teeth damaged, will their adult teeth eventually replace the broken adolescent teeth?
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
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*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
you were his children until the fall of man. you mean when the apple was bitten? so there were only two children of god and then it got ruined? that was fast. if humans were an experiment, god is a pretty shitty chemist.
yes, from what you and godfather (and countless others) have described to me about not wanting to gamble your soul tells me that part of the reason you choose to believe is because you are afraid of what might happen to you if you don't. you know, the saying "god fearing"? they don't call it "god respecting" for a reason.
if you think I came by this decision lightly, you are sadly mistaken. yes, religion and faith are a decision.
"hope for me". ha. there you go with your condescending god-boy speak again. you think we got into this conversation so you can somehow save me? :roll: am I the new "mission" that god gave you? somehow I have given you purpose over the past few days? god so loves you and believes in you that he gave you the task of casting the devil out of me? gimme a break, dude. you seem to put yourself on some sort of pedestal, and that's the exact same type of christian that I want nothing to do with.
there are no scientific logical reasons to believe in god. only reasons based on faith alone. nothing else. and that's my opinion. Unlike you, I will never try to disguise my opinion as fact.
conversations like this remind me of a jilted lover that just can't accept the truth that the relationship is over. well, get over it, man. I don't need saving. it's really quite simple.
see, I can respect the opinions of some of the believers on this board who don't get all high and mighty on the rest of us and try to convert us. I even told you folk that I respected your right to believe and how do you respond? telling me to have fun in hell. how christian of you.
Peace.
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the jesus story of the virgin birth and all that was told before the jesus we know.
I did not read the book but I skimmed the synopsis. One of the main points of the book appears to be that it is not logical to explain the existence of something like a Rolex or a human being as an accident, that it must have been designed intelligently. Okay, WHO DESIGNED GOD????? How could a being so perfect and omnipotent just exist by accident or chance?
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Here is what happens to people who don't follow Islam. They go here:
Are you willing to gamble your soul to this Hell, or do you follow the teachings of Islam as well as Christianity?
Which brings up another question for me...
People will tell me stuff like that... they are good here on Earth because of the promise of Heaven or fear of Hell. Is that a condition of faith? Shouldn't you love God... just because... and not expect anything in return?
I mean, someone who has been kind and giving to people... because of th humanity that is in him... not looking for any reward... does it just because his moral compass says it's the right thing to do. But, because he does not belong to a religious faith... or do the things that the church (i.e. the Bible) tells him he must... he goes to Hell?
And someone who shot and killed a 7-11 clerk for $37.00 from the register and 3 cartons of Marlboros... is convicted to life in prison... where he find Jesus and accepts Him into his life... he goes to Heaven?
On a larger scale... doesn't that make it possible for Hitler to make it into Heaven and the 6 million Jews go to Hell?
Is that how it works?
Hail, Hail!!!
plus he brings us presents.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"That line of thinking in my opinion, is the work of the devil, not god. Then again, I don't believe either of them exist."...I didn't say that.
yes I do, and when Christ arrives you will know.
believe as you wish my friend, I'm not judging you at all and I apologize if I have offended you.
life is a cool journey for sure,so much to learn and we can only do our best.
Godfather
your beliefs appear to be guided by fear....that's a copout
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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that's an excellent point cosmo. I have never done anything nice out of fear of some sort of other-worldly retribution. I do it because doing nice things makes me feel good as a human being.
Hitler will be in heaven according to their entrace requirements, yes. Jews believe in god, just not that jesus was the saviour. I thought just believing in god was your ticket in? Do you have to believe in jesus as your saviour to get through to the vip lounge known as the afterlife?
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you sound young, enjoy my friend.
Godfather.
you didn't offend me. it just bothers me when some christians get all high and mighty about "you'll see" like you know something the rest of us don't. I just wish people on either side could at the very least admit that they don't know for sure. To say you do either way is ridiculous. No god=my opinion. definitely god=your opinion. and that's that.
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yet another condescending comment from a believer. shocker.
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I'm 41 and I don't believe in Santa Claus either
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
in my heart I know,just as you once did.
it's all good,I wish good thing for all cuz life is a gift.
Godfather.
as I said, enjoy my friend, seems like last week I was 41 also..time just flys.
Godfather.
If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
now it's even simpler.
i know i was born and i know that i'll die. the in between is mine.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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Godfather.