God... Christ... The Bible

Gern Blansten

man I'm sorry you have been nice but to say god is telling you what to write and to keep pushing the Screwtape Letters (fiction) as some type of authority is kinda crazy

EddieLedBetter

the idea of the trinity is hard to grasp because it makes no sense. the church can't even explain it.

"I thought JC was the son of god?"
"he is, my son"
"but the bible says he IS god"
"he is, my son"
"how can someone be the son of themself?"
"he just is, my son"
"and he's also a ghost?"
"he is, my son"
"how?"
"he is, my son"
"??????"

That's how everything illogical about religion is explained. It all comes back to "you must have faith that the lord will provide that answer". Hogwash.

Refered to as the Son so we as humans could relate. He died and became Spirit. The Spirit didnt come until after his death. Jesus talked about "the Spirit will come" after my departure constantly in the New Testiment.

man I'm sorry you have been nice but to say god is telling you what to write and to keep pushing the Screwtape Letters (fiction) as some type of authority is kinda crazy

Muse comes from somewhere. I dont hold authority to it but I do see the significance that it descibes conserning the human condition. Its a great tool in my eyes used by God.

Gern Blansten

reminds me of another conversation I had with a different friend when I told him of my doubts....he says "have you ever read the Left Behind series of books?"

holy shit

EddieLedBetter

Johnny Sitar wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

If we are to believe that god is some being or figure of creation, and created the world and everything in it, where did god come from? Seems like a rather arbitrary question, yet very overlooked. Any answer?

there is no answer. it's the same old bs. I once asked this of the mother of a friend of mine, and it's the same old song and dance:

"where did god come from?"
"he's always been there"
"but when did he get there?"
"he's always been there"
"but you have to arrive at some point in time"
"he's always been there"

It's like she was programmed, and she actually believed what she was saying, without realizing how illogical it is. The answer always comes back to "you will find the answer in christ". No you won't. There is no answer.

At least scientists admit they can't explain where the universe started, what it's contained in, etc. It boggles the mind, and we can admit that. I have never met a christian like this guy who can admit that it's possible it doesn't exist. It's ridiculous.

Not as impossible as saying a wooden pencil just magically evolved into a mechanical one without something interveining and changing it, creating it for that matter. Or as impossible as something just coming from nothing like in the Big Bang? Or as impossible as light not being able to escape the forces of a black hole or dark matter's existance. Wanting Gods knowlege of these are things are what got us in this mess of death and suffering to begin with. We traded paradise and the presence of God for suffering and death because we wanted to know.

Haha even I can laugh at the Left Behind series. I dont believe in scaring people into believing in God. I believe you should already have fear of God because he is a greater being that has the power to do anything. Fear is respect.

Gern Blansten

disagree...fear is ignorance

Fearing a loving being isn't logical

dunkman

EddieLedBetter wrote:

I believe you should already have fear of God because he is a greater being that has the power to do anything. Fear is respect.

He doesnt have the power to intervene in the rape of a 6 year old girl.

Gern Blansten

dunkman wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

I believe you should already have fear of God because he is a greater being that has the power to do anything. Fear is respect.

He doesnt have the power to intervene in the rape of a 6 year old girl.

no shit.....I don't remember hearing reports of god intervening when priests are raping little boys

EddieLedBetter

Take the Large Hadron Collider for example. They are doing tests to see how the universe was born. They already have the energy and the method and power they just need to perfect it to figure it out. God already was and had the energy and power and is perfecting his experiment as we speak. In my oppinion hes the ultimate scientist with the ultimate authority. To deny that is to deny logic.

He doesnt have the power to intervene in the rape of a 6 year old girl.

Sure does and that guy will pay for what he did and from that instance man learns its sinful nature. If a sin is a sin is a sin then rape equals you not loving your neighbor. They are all relative. If he allowed one to happen and not another it would be like playing favorites. He is just in his judgement. We cant see it because we are mortal and live inside of time. He sees outside of time... eternity. For that I'm sure God interveins where he sees will be most beneficial. You dont believe that maybe you decided to do something a little different on your way home one day or something held you up and that stopped you from being killed in a car wreck? Its so easy to point out the things that you think God doesnt do but you never know what he does do.

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Take the Large Hadron Collider for example. They are doing tests to see how the universe was born. They already have the energy and the method and power they just need to perfect it to figure it out. God already was and had the energy and power and is perfecting his experiment as we speak. In my oppinion hes the ultimate scientist with the ultimate authority. To deny that is to deny logic.

He doesnt have the power to intervene in the rape of a 6 year old girl.

Sure does and that guy will pay for what he did and from that instance man learns its sinful nature. If a sin is a sin is a sin then rape equals you not loving your neighbor. They are all relative. If he allowed one to happen and not another it would be like playing favorites. He is just in his judgement. We cant see it because we are mortal and live inside of time. He sees outside of time... eternity.

EddieLedBetter

Its so easy to point out the things that you think God doesnt do but you never know what he does do.

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Its so easy to point out the things that you think God doesnt do but you never know what he does do.

illogical...god is omnipotent

Pepe Silvia

Gern Blansten wrote:

disagree...fear is ignorance

Fearing a loving being isn't logical

indeed it isn't. if god was a physical being would 'he' make us kiss his ring or be cast to hell?

Gern Blansten

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

disagree...fear is ignorance

Fearing a loving being isn't logical

indeed it isn't. if god was a physical being would 'he' make us kiss his ring or be cast to hell?

exactly....the god of the bible treats people like absolute shit....why would I want anything to do with that?

Pepe Silvia

Gern Blansten wrote:

dunkman wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

I believe you should already have fear of God because he is a greater being that has the power to do anything. Fear is respect.

He doesnt have the power to intervene in the rape of a 6 year old girl.

no shit.....I don't remember hearing reports of god intervening when priests are raping little boys

because it's all part of god's plan duuuuuuuuuuh! :roll:

i've asked this several times. 1 sunday school teacher told me once how did i know that by this 1 child being molested it didn't save 6 children from being molested?? my reply: why does god require ANY kids to be molested to make a point or carry out his divine plan?????

it makes no sense. we are supposed to believe it was god who created us and god had a plan for us before we are conceived...and being all knowing he already knows everything each one of us will ever do...so why allow it to happen? isn't there a better way to prove some absurd point?

dunkman

EddieLedBetter wrote:

He doesnt have the power to intervene in the rape of a 6 year old girl.

Sure does and that guy will pay for what he did .

depends... if that rapists 'finds' god in prison then his sins will be absolved and god will let him enter heaven...

EddieLedBetter

He doesnt have the power to intervene in the rape of a 6 year old girl

no shit.....I don't remember hearing reports of god intervening when priests are raping little boys


because it's all part of god's plan duuuuuuuuuuh! :roll:

i've asked this several times. 1 sunday school teacher told me once how did i know that by this 1 child being molested it didn't save 6 children from being molested?? my reply: why does god require ANY kids to be molested to make a point or carry out his divine plan?????

it makes no sense. we are supposed to believe it was god who created us and god had a plan for us before we are conceived...and being all knowing he already knows everything each one of us will ever do...so why allow it to happen? isn't there a better way to prove some absurd point

Those things happen because of mens sinful nature if God interveined every time and didnt let those things come into knowlege of the public he would be stopping sin all the time. He cant just stop us from sinning and expect us to learn by enabling us all the time.

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Those things happen because of mens sinful nature if God interveined every time and didnt let those things come into knowlege of the public he would be stopping sin all the time. He cant just stop us from sinning and expect us to learn by enabling us all the time.

sure he can....he's omnipotent

BLASPHEMER!!!!!

EddieLedBetter

dunkman wrote:

depends... if that rapists 'finds' god in prison then his sins will be absolved and god will let him enter heaven...

If he really does then this is true. But that doesnt mean that he wont while hes here live with the guilt and pay for it by mans standards.

dunkman

EddieLedBetter wrote:

He doesnt have the power to intervene in the rape of a 6 year old girl

no shit.....I don't remember hearing reports of god intervening when priests are raping little boys


because it's all part of god's plan duuuuuuuuuuh! :roll:

i've asked this several times. 1 sunday school teacher told me once how did i know that by this 1 child being molested it didn't save 6 children from being molested?? my reply: why does god require ANY kids to be molested to make a point or carry out his divine plan?????

it makes no sense. we are supposed to believe it was god who created us and god had a plan for us before we are conceived...and being all knowing he already knows everything each one of us will ever do...so why allow it to happen? isn't there a better way to prove some absurd point

Those things happen because of mens sinful nature if God interveined every time and didnt let those things come into knowlege of the public he would be stopping sin all the time. He cant just stop us from sinning and expect us to learn by enabling us all the time.

learn? people have been raping and killing for thousands of years... and so they will continue for thousands of years. that's one shit lesson.

Pepe Silvia

EddieLedBetter wrote:

dunkman wrote:

depends... if that rapists 'finds' god in prison then his sins will be absolved and god will let him enter heaven...

If he really does then this is true. But that doesnt mean that he wont while hes here live with the guilt and pay for it by mans standards.

what if the child rapist is never caught but repents on his death bed?