Gay Marriage Ban

chadwick

strilo wrote:

Pandora: Bring on the fight for marriage. We prefer it to all this sneaking around.

I will say it again. Gay people want what everyone else has the chance to have. Marriage. End of sentence. We won't and we shouldn't settle for anything less. Separate but equal didn't work before, why would it work now? I can honestly say I'd rather have the fight take another ten years if it means marriage and not some other named thing. Marriage. How many times can I say it in this post?

as much as you can mustar. i like your will.

MayDay10

ComeToTX wrote:

They think it's a choice and they think gay men want to recruit their kids. They also think every gay man is easily recognizable as some flamboyant boa wearing, half nude guy. My dad is one of these people so I've heard it all.

yes. Its not a generalization of NC or the South. My dad is like that, my stepdad, and my father in law.

chadwick

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am just interested for the sake of discussion, what are the ages of the people on this forum who are debating against gay marriage?

I'm not against (as one may have gathered) but I may be in the age group that might be seen as more 'traditional'. Let's just say when I was little I lived in Georgia for a bit (Columbus and Atlanta) and I remember a bus driver refusing to start the bus until my sister, my dad and I moved from the back seat of the bus (because that's were kids like to be) to the front because we didn't 'belong' there - it was for 'other' people (and at that time it was perfectly legal to discriminate). So you have an idea of my age!

that bus driver is a spineless jerk (blankety blank blank)

ComeToTX

MayDay10 wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

They think it's a choice and they think gay men want to recruit their kids. They also think every gay man is easily recognizable as some flamboyant boa wearing, half nude guy. My dad is one of these people so I've heard it all.

yes. Its not a generalization of NC or the South. My dad is like that, my stepdad, and my father in law.

Yep. It's everywhere. If you stand in line with bigots you may as well be a bigot even if you're reasoning is different.

chadwick

pandora wrote:

[ typical huh there is no age on any of this, that is judgmental in and of itself :fp:

there are both young and old who believe marriage should stay as is
but believe in equal rights
there are those opposed to gay unions period young and old
there are those who simply have no issue with either marriage or unions young and old
there are those who don't believe in marriage at all ! young and old!

and then there are those like me who don't give a shit what two adults do in their bedroom rather they are man and woman, man and man, or woman and woman. they are a couple. a loving couple at that. if they wanna get married, bob can marry steve and heather can marry jane...simple pimple. and with no special title, bells or whistles. they are flat out in love and they are a married couple

pandora

MayDay10 wrote:

Are you really that naive to think that people voting in NC and others against gay people are hoping to provide rights in civil unions or whatever you call them? you have got to be trolling at this point.

Yes, I believe civil gay unions with equal rights is exactly the right road
for the preservers of marriage, it is the only road and believe this is becoming
clear to them.

And no I'm stating my opinion on how to get resolution very soon
to equal rights ...

not just bitching and saying others are bigots and hoping
they change in the next decade or two. I'm not much for complaining I prefer
to find ways to fix things.

redrock

chadwick wrote:

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am just interested for the sake of discussion, what are the ages of the people on this forum who are debating against gay marriage?

I'm not against (as one may have gathered) but I may be in the age group that might be seen as more 'traditional'. Let's just say when I was little I lived in Georgia for a bit (Columbus and Atlanta) and I remember a bus driver refusing to start the bus until my sister, my dad and I moved from the back seat of the bus (because that's were kids like to be) to the front because we didn't 'belong' there - it was for 'other' people (and at that time it was perfectly legal to discriminate). So you have an idea of my age!

that bus driver is a spineless jerk (blankety blank blank)

Maybe Chad, but that's how it was in those days. I'm happy that my dad stood his ground (and most of the people on the bus too). Though my dad sometimes uses very un-PC language/terms (he's 80+), he does believe that ALL should have absolute equal rights. I'm not sure he would be have been very comfortable if my sister or I would have introduced him to our 'wife' but nevertheless he does believe that there should be no distinction when it comes to marriage (obviously outside the church). He said he and my mother combined fought in several wars for this kind of freedom and equality.

As already mentioned, it's more of a question of education, exposure, etc. than age but there are more chances one had a more 'restrictive' education and views on things when one's formative years were in the 30s, 40s or 50s than later decades.

chadwick

MayDay10 wrote:

point blank, its discrimination. Even if it is just a word/semantics.

You can dress up the viewpoint all you want with all these contradictory words... but it is polishing a turd

probably the greatest & simplest bit of truth in a post on the pj message board in the history of this place

norm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJ_sDRRVVI

ComeToTX

norm wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJ_sDRRVVI

I wish I could say it so clearly!

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

Yes of course why the law was passed yesterday with more states lining up to stop it.

Just curious what you meant here -- More states are lining up to stop a law like this from passing, or more states are lining up to pass the same law?

chadwick

anyone not familar with gay folks should be thrown into a sweaty pit overflowing w/ homosexuality from both men and women.

i drove a semi truck for many years. for more than 2 or 3 years i worked w/ a young truck driver dude at two different companies. at the seafood company we were team drivers. he is about 6-8 yrs younger than i. i noticed things over the course of our working together. he never talked about women vs' i, where i am women women women.

he always told me if i knew his dark secret that i would kick him out of the truck. i flat out laughed at him and said no i wouldn't, unless you are a rapist and or a child molester, no i'd never kick your fat ass out of my truck.

one day while loading our trailer w/ shaved ice for the salmon we were heading after, he told me he is attracted to men. i said, "that is your dark secret that would get you tossed out of my truck?"

he said yes as he began to cry.

i said, " don't cry man, but it's ok if you cry, i cry all the time myself, im a poetry writer and have feelins to, man"

i told him as long as you don't try and hook up w/ me we're cool. and if you bring a man back to the truck i will give you space just please do not use my bed, your bedroom is upstairs, you can screw around up there all you two want. i do not care. just like i would never fuck around w/ some woman in your bedroom upstairs.

i told him i was going to fix a giant dark colored adult toy to the shifter beings he fondled the damn stick shift all day/night long. i told him, "maybe it'll shoot beep beep beep beep beep and edit." he laughed so hard he about fell out the damn truck

that man taught me a great deal about acceptance and he is the greatest navigator i have ever known. he guided me into some of the biggest most craziest city locations imaginable. the dude's brain is a rand mcnally commercial driver's road atlas

the dude was even a virgin in his mid 20s. women did nothing for him. the dude was simply turned on by men. he was soo misunderstood, mistreated and ridiculed by his father it was unreal. his father hated his son's guts because his son wanted to be a gay man.

pandora

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

..
I am also for equal rights for all and am very fine with marriage remaining as it was intended to be between a man and a woman ...
I would cast for my vote for that today if it meant equal rights for gay unions
right now and stop the marriage battle. I have a feeling others would do the same.

The light is not what you think

and there we have it folks.... finally. pandora isnt a marriage preserver but she thinks marriage should remain the dominion of man-woman couples.

thanx for the clarity.

I just saw this, really :nono:
fair minded as always with the wrong clarity I might add
one that fits what you want to think ....

so thought I would point out my remarks in color there

never said should and said I would cast my vote today if it meant equal rights for gay unions,
and yes it would be a wonderful victory at hand! I think it would fit nicely right here
with Obama's recent move and it would be historical.

Cliffy6745

Good god

ComeToTX

pandora wrote:

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

..
I am also for equal rights for all and am very fine with marriage remaining as it was intended to be between a man and a woman ...
I would cast for my vote for that today if it meant equal rights for gay unions
right now and stop the marriage battle. I have a feeling others would do the same.

The light is not what you think

and there we have it folks.... finally. pandora isnt a marriage preserver but she thinks marriage should remain the dominion of man-woman couples.

thanx for the clarity.

I just saw this, really :nono:
fair minded as always with the wrong clarity I might add
one that fits what you want to think ....

so thought I would point out my remarks in color there

never said should and said I would cast my vote today if it meant equal rights for gay unions,
and yes it would be a wonderful victory at hand! I think it would fit nicely right here
with Obama's recent move and it would be historical.

If marriage was "intended" to be between men and women it's not a far stretch to assume you think that "should" stay the same. No?

strilo

pandora wrote:

Yes, I believe civil gay unions with equal rights is exactly the right road
for the preservers of marriage, it is the only road and believe this is becoming
clear to them.

And no I'm stating my opinion on how to get resolution very soon
to equal rights ...

not just bitching and saying others are bigots and hoping
they change in the next decade or two. I'm not much for complaining I prefer
to find ways to fix things.

Once again, it cannot be EQUAL rights if they are called something different. How is this so difficult to understand?

chadwick

what does ted nugent want for the gay citizens of this great planet? i ask this because many follow and believe exactly to a tee what mr. nugent approves of and does.

again, does t. nugent accept homosexual men and women as equals?

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

Yes of course why the law was passed yesterday with more states lining up to stop it.

Just curious what you meant here -- More states are lining up to stop a law like this from passing, or more states are lining up to pass the same law?

I don't know all the particulars but yes the preservers of marriage
will be getting ballots for the fall
defining marriage as a union of a man and a woman, in some states,
some even override pro gay legislation in place .
38 states have bans in place but the new amendments will define marriage as in NC.

Now would be a good time for the administration to recognize as a first step gay civil unions
and give them equal rights under the law. It is a good example for the states, good timing
and a great first step.

pandora

strilo wrote:

pandora wrote:

Yes, I believe civil gay unions with equal rights is exactly the right road
for the preservers of marriage, it is the only road and believe this is becoming
clear to them.

And no I'm stating my opinion on how to get resolution very soon
to equal rights ...

not just bitching and saying others are bigots and hoping
they change in the next decade or two. I'm not much for complaining I prefer
to find ways to fix things.

Once again, it cannot be EQUAL rights if they are called something different. How is this so difficult to understand?

I am hoping for legal civil rights for gay unions at this point, it is good timing midst
what is going on with the preservers of marriage working against the marriage issue.
The legal rights are the same.

strilo

My stance is this. No compromise. I am not accepting anything until it is marriage. I don't think civil rights for human beings are something to be negotiated and compromised on. Are civil unions a step in the right direction? Sure. But it's not the endgame and my passion for this issue will not change one bit until it's marriage.