Gay Marriage Ban

Jason P

norm wrote:

not surprised but am still kinda speechless as to where this thread (once again) has devolved...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss8LDBNcsWc

I can't believe I've never seen this.

MayDay10

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

whats the cut off point agewise?

dunno, those born after 1985 maybe. old enough to have been exposed to mores that were not as rigid as people born before then. i was born in '75 and many people my age are still stuck in that way of thinking. the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

I think you have to add region as a major factor too (North/South, Urban/Rural).

Im in NY, born in 78 and my facebook blew up yesterday (most people about my age).

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

whats the cut off point agewise?

dunno, those born after 1985 maybe. old enough to have been exposed to mores that were not as rigid as people born before then. i was born in '75 and many people my age are still stuck in that way of thinking. the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

thats interesting. i honestly believe my older children(born 86 and 88) are less open than i am. and theyve been exposed to my liberal rants basically since birth. but then again im pretty darn liberal. but on gay issues im pretty sure were all of the same opinion.

if people your age are 'still stuck in that way of thinking' and knowing you as i do, then id say thats more to do with upbringing and exposure than age. maybe i dunno either really.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

whats the cut off point agewise?

dunno, those born after 1985 maybe. old enough to have been exposed to mores that were not as rigid as people born before then. i was born in '75 and many people my age are still stuck in that way of thinking. the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

So let me get this straight...

Discriminating against gays = bad

Ageism = A OK!!!!!

EmBleve

MayDay10 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

whats the cut off point agewise?

dunno, those born after 1985 maybe. old enough to have been exposed to mores that were not as rigid as people born before then. i was born in '75 and many people my age are still stuck in that way of thinking. the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

I think you have to add region as a major factor too (North/South, Urban/Rural).

Im in NY, born in 78 and my facebook blew up yesterday (most people about my age).

mmm...don't know. I'm close to your age and I'm in the south, and my facebook blew up yesterday, too. Also, most my age (and in outrage and disgust).

EmBleve

cincybearcat wrote:

So let me get this straight...

Discriminating against gays = bad

Ageism = A OK!!!!!

I thought the same thing.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

mmmm. not sure about that one, either. Granted, I live in the south, but it seems around here that the older teenagers do not appreciate homosexuality, nor different races. It's sad, really.

EmBleve

catefrances wrote:

then id say thats more to do with upbringing and exposure than age. maybe i dunno either really.

I lean toward this line of thinking, too.

gimmesometruth27

catefrances wrote:

thats interesting. i honestly believe my older children(born 86 and 88) are less open than i am. and theyve been exposed to my liberal rants basically since birth. but then again im pretty darn liberal. but on gay issues im pretty sure were all of the same opinion.

if people your age are 'still stuck in that way of thinking' and knowing you as i do, then id say thats more to do with upbringing and exposure than age. maybe i dunno either really.

i deal with teenagers every day at work. from 2000 to 2007 i worked exclusively with them. they seem to be way more aware of current events and way more switched on than you would imagine. they have developed fluid positions. the ones i deal with are not black and white on everything. they see the shades of gray that a lot of people do not recognize. anecdotal i know, but i give them credit when it is due.

norm

each successive generation becomes more tolerant but it isn't an absolute...how one was raised and where they are raised factors into it...yes, everyone i know is in favor of gay marriage (or in reality, couldn't give a shit who marries who) but those are the people i've chosen to have as friends...but there are many people in my age group that are against it...but i'd say they are more the minority

MayDay10

EmBleve wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

So let me get this straight...

Discriminating against gays = bad

Ageism = A OK!!!!!

I thought the same thing.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

mmmm. not sure about that one, either. Granted, I live in the south, but it seems around here that the older teenagers do not appreciate homosexuality, nor different races. It's sad, really.

Its probably just a 'macho' thing at that point. We used to play "smear the queer" in the schoolyard (football game). I also remember calling people 'homo' a lot and crap like that. Didnt have any views on it, just to put people down in a schoolyard type of way.

Once they witness people they know, cousins, etc realize it is OK to be gay and come out of the closet, etc... it becomes real and attitudes change. Or when they see someone going through life miserably, come out of the closet, and suddenly become a joyous person.... or if someone they know kills themself as opposed to living life unable to publicly declare their sexual orientation.

pandora

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

whats the cut off point agewise?

dunno, those born after 1985 maybe. old enough to have been exposed to mores that were not as rigid as people born before then. i was born in '75 and many people my age are still stuck in that way of thinking. the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

So let me get this straight...

Discriminating against gays = bad

Ageism = A OK!!!!!

typical huh there is no age on any of this, that is judgmental in and of itself :fp:

there are both young and old who believe marriage should stay as is
but believe in equal rights
there are those opposed to gay unions period young and old
there are those who simply have no issue with either marriage or unions young and old
there are those who don't believe in marriage at all ! young and old!

Cliffy6745

norm wrote:

each successive generation becomes more tolerant but it isn't an absolute...how one was raised and where they are raised factors into it...yes, everyone i know is in favor of gay marriage (or in reality, couldn't give a shit who marries who) but those are the people i've chosen to have as friends...but there are many people in my age group that are against it...but i'd say they are more the minority

I think this is a good point. I also think that as major metropolitan cities have gotten younger and more educated, the conversation has certainly changed and being in major media centers has certainly helped.

gimmesometruth27

funny, my facebook blew up yesterday too.. 95% of it was positive.

it was very interesting to read the hateful comments that people i don't know left on my friends' status updates though.

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

typical huh there is no age on any of this, that is judgmental in and of itself :fp:

there are both young and old who believe marriage should stay as is
but believe in equal rights
there are those opposed to gay unions period young and old
there are those who simply have no issue with either marriage or unions young and old
there are those who don't believe in marriage at all ! young and old!

how is it ageism? i was not judging you. i was just stating that the young will carry the torch for this issue and will see to it that gays get equal rights. as for the rest of your post, i have stopped reading your posts so i have nothing to add.

MayDay10

pandora wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

So let me get this straight...

Discriminating against gays = bad

Ageism = A OK!!!!!

typical huh there is no age on any of this, that is judgmental in and of itself :fp:

there are both young and old who believe marriage should stay as is
but believe in equal rights
there are those opposed to gay unions period young and old
there are those who simply have no issue with either marriage or unions young and old
there are those who don't believe in marriage at all ! young and old!

I guarantee there is a markable difference in people's gay views based on age.

As a 33 year old I have encountered gay people in schooling, socially, and at work. I can guarantee that my father didnt have 1/10th of the exposure at age 33. It wasnt as OK to be openly gay before. People werent exposed to it. For a lot of these people it is tough to acknowledge that being gay isnot a choice

EmBleve

MayDay10 wrote:

Its probably just a 'macho' thing at that point. We used to play "smear the queer" in the schoolyard (football game). I also remember calling people 'homo' a lot and crap like that. Didnt have any views on it, just to put people down in a schoolyard type of way.

Once they witness people they know, cousins, etc realize it is OK to be gay and come out of the closet, etc... it becomes real and attitudes change. Or when they see someone going through life miserably, come out of the closet, and suddenly become a joyous person.... or if someone they know kills themself as opposed to living life unable to publicly declare their sexual orientation.

These are good points, MayDay. Life experience of course affects one's views. Most of whom I was referring to (that I have seen), though, are girls. And their attitudes reflect those of the parents. But you are right...they may not (hopefully) always think one way.

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

thats interesting. i honestly believe my older children(born 86 and 88) are less open than i am. and theyve been exposed to my liberal rants basically since birth. but then again im pretty darn liberal. but on gay issues im pretty sure were all of the same opinion.

if people your age are 'still stuck in that way of thinking' and knowing you as i do, then id say thats more to do with upbringing and exposure than age. maybe i dunno either really.

i deal with teenagers every day at work. from 2000 to 2007 i worked exclusively with them. they seem to be way more aware of current events and way more switched on than you would imagine. they have developed fluid positions. the ones i deal with are not black and white on everything. they see the shades of gray that a lot of people do not recognize. anecdotal i know, but i give them credit when it is due.

i deal with teenagers every day too. but this isnt a pissing contest. and i would agree... the 4th estate is so large now.. larger than its ever been that its easier to get information from a variety of sources and to use that info along with their everyday to form a broader and more balanced opinion. but it also depends on what media theyre listening to.

pandora

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

whats the cut off point agewise?

dunno, those born after 1985 maybe. old enough to have been exposed to mores that were not as rigid as people born before then. i was born in '75 and many people my age are still stuck in that way of thinking. the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

So let me get this straight...

Discriminating against gays = bad

Ageism = A OK!!!!!

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

typical huh there is no age on any of this, that is judgmental in and of itself :fp:

there are both young and old who believe marriage should stay as is
but believe in equal rights
there are those opposed to gay unions period young and old
there are those who simply have no issue with either marriage or unions young and old
there are those who don't believe in marriage at all ! young and old!

how is it ageism? i was not judging you. i was just stating that the young will carry the torch for this issue and will see to it that gays get equal rights. as for the rest of your post, i have stopped reading your posts so i have nothing to add.

wonder why you only replied to me instead of the other poster...
I was quoting them about ageism

Kat

Stop that.

EmBleve

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

thats interesting. i honestly believe my older children(born 86 and 88) are less open than i am. and theyve been exposed to my liberal rants basically since birth. but then again im pretty darn liberal. but on gay issues im pretty sure were all of the same opinion.

if people your age are 'still stuck in that way of thinking' and knowing you as i do, then id say thats more to do with upbringing and exposure than age. maybe i dunno either really.

i deal with teenagers every day at work. from 2000 to 2007 i worked exclusively with them. they seem to be way more aware of current events and way more switched on than you would imagine. they have developed fluid positions. the ones i deal with are not black and white on everything. they see the shades of gray that a lot of people do not recognize. anecdotal i know, but i give them credit when it is due.

As well you should.