Gay Marriage Ban

gimmesometruth27

how is romney going to run against obama on this issue??

how is he going to frame the issue?

one guy is for civil rights, while the big strong conservative is standing up for keeping gay people from having the same rights that us heteros have?

how can romney campaign on that?

funny how the republicans all talk about freedom and how it is being taken away or whatever, but it is them who are actually keeping gays from gaining the same freedom enjoyed by their straight counterparts. :fp:

norm

Kat wrote:

Stop that.

you forgot

:nono:

norm

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how is romney going to run against obama on this issue??

how is he going to frame the issue?

one guy is for civil rights, while the big strong conservative is standing up for keeping gay people from having the same rights that us heteros have?

how can romney campaign on that?

funny how the republicans all talk about freedom and how it is being taken away or whatever, but it is them who are actually keeping gays from gaining the same freedom enjoyed by their straight counterparts. :fp:

the minute mittens calls obama a flip flopper he'll have to defend this

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profil ... _Marriage/

good luck willard!

JonnyPistachio

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

whats the cut off point agewise?

dunno, those born after 1985 maybe. old enough to have been exposed to mores that were not as rigid as people born before then. i was born in '75 and many people my age are still stuck in that way of thinking. the young seem to be more open minded and a ton less judgemental.

So let me get this straight...

Discriminating against gays = bad

Ageism = A OK!!!!!

I didnt take that so much as Ageism. First time Gimme brought it up, he was just asking a question. Many things can be a reflection of ones age. However, I think many of us here on the PJ message board represent a different demographic than the typical folks who are debating gay marriage in the USA. and I think if you took a random 1000 people born after 1985, and compared them to 1000 people born before 1950, you'd get very different results on their views of gay marriage. I'm not discriminating on age, just taking the socioeconomic factors and making an educated guess. But that's just a guess!

pandora

MayDay10 wrote:

I guarantee there is a markable difference in people's gay views based on age.

As a 33 year old I have encountered gay people in schooling, socially, and at work. I can guarantee that my father didnt have 1/10th of the exposure at age 33. It wasnt as OK to be openly gay before. People werent exposed to it. For a lot of these people it is tough to acknowledge that being gay isnot a choice

This is not my experience at all, being in the 50 to 60 age group is a very accepting age
of all peoples. Now when you get to the elderly there could be more of an attitude of
not accepting but I personally know none.
I feel it is very individual, can not be generalized, so much has to do with how one is raised.
If your parents teach you to accept others for who they are you do and you do this a lifetime.

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how is romney going to run against obama on this issue??

how is he going to frame the issue?

one guy is for civil rights, while the big strong conservative is standing up for keeping gay people from having the same rights that us heteros have?

how can romney campaign on that?

funny how the republicans all talk about freedom and how it is being taken away or whatever, but it is them who are actually keeping gays from gaining the same freedom enjoyed by their straight counterparts. :fp:

its not the right kind of freedom.

gimmesometruth27

catefrances wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how is romney going to run against obama on this issue??

how is he going to frame the issue?

one guy is for civil rights, while the big strong conservative is standing up for keeping gay people from having the same rights that us heteros have?

how can romney campaign on that?

funny how the republicans all talk about freedom and how it is being taken away or whatever, but it is them who are actually keeping gays from gaining the same freedom enjoyed by their straight counterparts. :fp:

its not the right kind of freedom.

so should we debate the definition of freedom while we are at it?

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how is romney going to run against obama on this issue??

how is he going to frame the issue?

one guy is for civil rights, while the big strong conservative is standing up for keeping gay people from having the same rights that us heteros have?

how can romney campaign on that?

funny how the republicans all talk about freedom and how it is being taken away or whatever, but it is them who are actually keeping gays from gaining the same freedom enjoyed by their straight counterparts. :fp:

its not the right kind of freedom.

so should we debate the definition of freedom while we are at it?

sure why not? fire the first shot and ill try to keep up. :P

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how is romney going to run against obama on this issue??

how is he going to frame the issue?

one guy is for civil rights, while the big strong conservative is standing up for keeping gay people from having the same rights that us heteros have?

how can romney campaign on that?

funny how the republicans all talk about freedom and how it is being taken away or whatever, but it is them who are actually keeping gays from gaining the same freedom enjoyed by their straight counterparts. :fp:

I think it will be based on the marriage preservers stance.

I think they will be for equal rights, I hope, in civil gay unions the same rights as heteros share.
The same rights gays want minus the marriage issue. This would be getting the most support
on this issue across the board. It is the most common sense approach for this time and place
in history for a Republican.

catefrances

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how is romney going to run against obama on this issue??

how is he going to frame the issue?

one guy is for civil rights, while the big strong conservative is standing up for keeping gay people from having the same rights that us heteros have?

how can romney campaign on that?

funny how the republicans all talk about freedom and how it is being taken away or whatever, but it is them who are actually keeping gays from gaining the same freedom enjoyed by their straight counterparts. :fp:

I think it will be based on the marriage preservers stance.

I think they will be for equal rights, I hope, in civil gay unions the same rights as heteros share.
The same rights gays want minus the marriage issue. This would be getting the most support
on this issue across the board. It is the most common sense approach for this time and place
in history for a Republican.

but marriage is the issue.

ComeToTX

For the 100th time:

There is no such thing as equal but different! It's an oxymoron.

Newch91

norm wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how is romney going to run against obama on this issue??

how is he going to frame the issue?

one guy is for civil rights, while the big strong conservative is standing up for keeping gay people from having the same rights that us heteros have?

how can romney campaign on that?

funny how the republicans all talk about freedom and how it is being taken away or whatever, but it is them who are actually keeping gays from gaining the same freedom enjoyed by their straight counterparts. :fp:

the minute mittens calls obama a flip flopper he'll have to defend this

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profil ... _Marriage/

good luck willard!

I can't wait to hear his defense for that.

keeponrockin

ComeToTX wrote:

For the 100th time:

There is no such thing as equal but different! It's an oxymoron.

This.

MayDay10

point blank, its discrimination. Even if it is just a word/semantics.

You can dress up the viewpoint all you want with all these contradictory words... but it is polishing a turd

pandora

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

I think it will be based on the marriage preservers stance.

I think they will be for equal rights, I hope, in civil gay unions the same rights as heteros share.
The same rights gays want minus the marriage issue. This would be getting the most support
on this issue across the board. It is the most common sense approach for this time and place
in history for a Republican.

but marriage is the issue.

Yes of course why the law was passed yesterday with more states lining up to stop it.

Clearly it would be a huge thing if the administration came out
in the form of an amendment and gave gay civil unions all equal rights to that of marriage
nationwide. Pretty awesome step towards change.

chadwick

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

As gay people distinguish their sexuality as different, as a term defined as a group.

As heterosexuals, bisexuals, asexuals, little people, big people, caucasian, oriental, etc. I could go on for ever.... Labels. We have always put ourselves in 'groups', a belonging of some kind. These groups are all fundamentally the same - people. One word for one 'concept'. Just like marriage - one word for one concept (if we were to choose this word).

thank you, redrock

MayDay10

pandora wrote:

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

I think it will be based on the marriage preservers stance.

I think they will be for equal rights, I hope, in civil gay unions the same rights as heteros share.
The same rights gays want minus the marriage issue. This would be getting the most support
on this issue across the board. It is the most common sense approach for this time and place
in history for a Republican.

but marriage is the issue.

Yes of course why the law was passed yesterday with more states lining up to stop it.

Clearly it would be a huge thing if the administration came out
in the form of an amendment and gave gay civil unions all equal rights to that of marriage
nationwide. Pretty awesome step towards change.

Are you really that naive to think that people voting in NC and others against gay people are hoping to provide rights in civil unions or whatever you call them? you have got to be trolling at this point.

The fact is, a lot of people are still ignorant to the reality of gays. They think it is a choice. They would have trouble allowing their kids to attend a class tought by a gay man. They think that if they allow gays to get married, being gay will be alright and it will infect their town.... People will become flambouyant, drag queens will be seen on the street.... men in leather will be seen everywhere kissing and fornicating. Not everyone... but this is still a prevalent thought pattern in everywhere USA.... and it needs to be re-educated.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

as posted on twitter from someone in winnipeg:

"Hey, North Carolina, I'm about to have breakfast. But I should warn you, I'm gay, so that may invalidate your breakfast."

ComeToTX

They think it's a choice and they think gay men want to recruit their kids. They also think every gay man is easily recognizable as some flamboyant boa wearing, half nude guy. My dad is one of these people so I've heard it all.

ComeToTX

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

as posted on twitter from someone in winnipeg:

"Hey, North Carolina, I'm about to have breakfast. But I should warn you, I'm gay, so that may invalidate your breakfast."

That's great.