Gay Marriage Ban

MayDay10

so states will have gay marriages. Great!

Hopefully "preservers of the bullshit" or whatever they are called stay home.

chadwick

gay civil union? no. it is called being married, not a gay civil union.

at least that is how i am understanding this.

married or not married. that is all we have, that is all we need. single, married or widowed. gay men and women do not need to be seperate from the rest of society. gay men and women are rooted deep in our society and they are not leaving and do not need to leave.

ComeToTX

By "preservers of marriage" do you mean republicans? If not then who? Do these POM have a leader or office or something?

norm

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Good god

or as i say...

"keep fucking that chicken!"

:corn:

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

If marriage was "intended" to be between men and women it's not a far stretch to assume you think that "should" stay the same. No?

I didn't invent the word.... it was created, intended and defined thousands of years ago.
Now there is a movement as we saw in NC to go state by state
and redefine by law what marriage is, to protect that.

I care not if marriage is used only to the point of it hindering legal rights for gay unions now.
This the entire point of all my posts
though people repeatedly want to see me as being against gay marriage
alrighty then.

norm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathryn-h ... lp00000009

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

By "preservers of marriage" do you mean republicans? If not then who? Do these POM have a leader or office or something?

Please research on line there are many articles, everyone should.
You will see how the ballot got there in NC, who put it there and why
and what states are next.
The margin is narrowing with actually less people in favor of gay marriage than in 2011,
the vote for the NC law much better than anticipated.

Many Americans are opposed to the changing of the traditional term of marriage
when it comes down to it. Has nothing to do with legal rights or prejudice but tradition.
This opinion appears to be growing why I say again gay legal civil unions with rights preserved
now a great first step showing support from our government for equality.

ComeToTX

pandora wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

By "preservers of marriage" do you mean republicans? If not then who? Do these POM have a leader or office or something?

Please research on line there are many articles, everyone should.
You will see how the ballot got there in NC, who put it there and why
and what states are next.
The margin is narrowing with actually less people in favor of gay marriage than in 2011,
the vote for the NC law much better than anticipated.

Many Americans are opposed to the changing of the traditional term of marriage
when it comes down to it. Has nothing to do with legal rights or prejudice but tradition.
This opinion appears to be growing why I say again gay legal civil unions with rights preserved
now a great first step showing support from our government for equality.

I'd be willing to bet most of these preservers are also birthers.

MayDay10

norm wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathryn-hamm/an-open-letter-to-president-obama_b_1506702.html?ir=Politics&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Thats great.

chadwick

ComeToTX wrote:

By "preservers of marriage" do you mean republicans? If not then who? Do these POM have a leader or office or something?

good question. what is a preserver of marriage? sounds like those freaky religious folks that stalk military funerals to do picketing...............(i remember there name)


westboro baptist church

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

pandora wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

By "preservers of marriage" do you mean republicans? If not then who? Do these POM have a leader or office or something?

Please research on line there are many articles, everyone should.
You will see how the ballot got there in NC, who put it there and why
and what states are next.
The margin is narrowing with actually less people in favor of gay marriage than in 2011,
the vote for the NC law much better than anticipated.

Many Americans are opposed to the changing of the traditional term of marriage
when it comes down to it. Has nothing to do with legal rights or prejudice but tradition.
This opinion appears to be growing why I say again gay legal civil unions with rights preserved
now a great first step showing support from our government for equality.

I'd be willing to bet most of these preservers are also birthers.

They may well be historians

JonnyPistachio

If some new term, or civil union is created (lets face it, that wont happen though) for equal rights for gay marriage (for discussions sake)...lets call it EGAIRRAM...that will be the gay marriage term (of equal rights).

If EGAIRRAM is passed, I promise to legally divorce my wife and get re-unionized with her under federal or state EGAIRRAM. Will straight people be allowed to marry under this new definition/term??

ComeToTX

Slavery happened in our past. We changed that. It's really not that difficult. The longer it goes on the more embarrassed we will be about it later.

chadwick

pandora wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

By "preservers of marriage" do you mean republicans? If not then who? Do these POM have a leader or office or something?

Please research on line there are many articles, everyone should.
You will see how the ballot got there in NC, who put it there and why
and what states are next.
The margin is narrowing with actually less people in favor of gay marriage than in 2011,
the vote for the NC law much better than anticipated.

Many Americans are opposed to the changing of the traditional term of marriage
when it comes down to it. Has nothing to do with legal rights or prejudice but tradition.
This opinion appears to be growing why I say again gay legal civil unions with rights preserved
now a great first step showing support from our government for equality.

it is not. is is showing our government is frickin stupid as shit and extremely prejudiced. tradition is bullshit in this arena. tradition in this arena is hateful and controlled by religious radicals against opening their blinded piss poor eyes

MayDay10

Do you think marriages between same-sex couples should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?
Should be valid
Should not be valid
No opinion
2012 May 3-6
50
48
2
2011 Dec 15-18
48
48
4
2011 May 5-8
53
45
3
2010 May 3-6
44
53
3
2009 May 7-10
40
57
3
2008 May 8-11 †
40
56
4
2007 May 10-13
46
53
1
2006 May 8-11 †
42
56
2
2006 May 8-11 ^†
39
58
4
2005 Aug 22-25 ^
37
59
4
2004 May 2-4 ^
42
55
3
1999 Feb 8-9 ^
35
62
3
1996 Mar 15-17 ^
27
68
5

polaris_x

28 pages and things that are completely being ignored by the anti-same sex marriage "crowd":

1. the definition of marriage includes same sex couples by many different sources
2. marriage as an institution has evolved to the point where many practices such as marrying your child to a stranger at the age of 12 is looked down upon.
3. calling it marriage has no impact to anyone anywhere

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

Slavery happened in our past. We changed that. It's really not that difficult. The longer it goes on the more embarrassed we will be about it later.

that was a war though :shock:

and the rest of the world only 10 nations accept gay unions, only 6 states here
there is a long way to go ...
give equal rights to gay civil unions today!

puremagic

Here are the problems I see with the State bans on gay marriages, and I’m just an outside observer, so image what your legal mines could do, if you stopped relying solely on politicians, use some of that collective clout and money on the judicial system.

1. The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

--NC will argue that due process was obtained because it was voted on by the people of that State, to which the 1st Amendment comes into play

2. The 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

--the State’s use of a religion to deprive and suppress the rights of a select group of citizens of their life, liberty and property is a violation of the Constitution.

--by denying your right to marry, the States deny you equal access to life experiences, liberties and property entitlements granted to those group of people that are permitted to marry.

3. Issue for the U.S. Supreme Court – What is marriage?

--There is no law within the U.S. that legally requires a person to be married, therefore, a State cannot selectively determine who qualifies to be married based on their sexual activity.

--Therefore, the act of marriage can deemed as entering into a ‘legal obligation; -any two people- can enter into ‘legal obligation’.

--The religious aspect of getting married is nothing more than a ‘personal’ preference because even within a religious setting that marriage IS NOT LEGALLY VALID without a STATE issued license.

--The States have already acknowledged the right of a man to get married and a woman to get married, that’s where their legal obligation stopped.

– The States overstepped their authority by injecting their personal religious preference to infringe upon the right of others by defining and limited marriage to a man and woman WITHOUT addressing the sexual activity that bars a gay couple from being married, in relation to those same activities when performed by a ‘married couple – man/woman’ upon each other.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

By "preservers of marriage" do you mean republicans? If not then who? Do these POM have a leader or office or something?

Please research on line there are many articles, everyone should.
You will see how the ballot got there in NC, who put it there and why
and what states are next.
The margin is narrowing with actually less people in favor of gay marriage than in 2011,
the vote for the NC law much better than anticipated.

Many Americans are opposed to the changing of the traditional term of marriage
when it comes down to it. Has nothing to do with legal rights or prejudice but tradition.
This opinion appears to be growing why I say again gay legal civil unions with rights preserved
now a great first step showing support from our government for equality.

it is not. is is showing our government is frickin stupid as shit and extremely prejudiced. tradition is bullshit in this arena. tradition in this arena is hateful and controlled by religious radicals against opening their blinded piss poor eyes

I am not seeing it a totally religious division
and I have no idea how it plays out by political persuasion.

the wolf

Upon request, I did some research online.

I googled "preservers of marriage".

Lots of sites on how to save your marriage, preserve your wedding bouquet, preserve your wedding dress, shit like that came up.

Only one came up about this issue.
It was a site by the church of latter day saints.

It's http://WWW.preservingmarriage.org/

So where are all these "preservers of marriage"?


On a side note, after this thread I now hate the word preserve, in any form.
I also hate the phrase "as it was intended between man and woman".

I'm also confused as how the word marriage has always been defined as being between man and woman, when so many have clearly shown some of us that that clearly isn't the case, yet the has been ignored, and the phrase has been repeated over and over to the point of noisom.