Slavery happened in our past. We changed that. It's really not that difficult. The longer it goes on the more embarrassed we will be about it later.
that was a war though :shock:
and the rest of the world only 10 nations accept gay unions, only 6 states here
there is a long way to go ...
give equal rights to gay civil unions today!
Ok. Civil Rights then. Let's only go back a few decades. There's zero difference.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
If some new term, or civil union is created (lets face it, that wont happen though) for equal rights for gay marriage (for discussions sake)...lets call it EGAIRRAM...that will be the gay marriage term (of equal rights).
If EGAIRRAM is passed, I promise to legally divorce my wife and get re-unionized with her under federal or state EGAIRRAM. Will straight people be allowed to marry under this new definition/term??
This doesnt sound like it makes a lot of sense^^^...
...but I’d be willing to abandon traditional marriage if a new type union is created, especially if traditional marriage is in the business of excluding people.
.. I am also for equal rights for all and am very fine with marriage remaining as it was intended to be between a man and a woman ... I would cast for my vote for that today if it meant equal rights for gay unions
right now and stop the marriage battle. I have a feeling others would do the same.
The light is not what you think
and there we have it folks.... finally. pandora isnt a marriage preserver but she thinks marriage should remain the dominion of man-woman couples.
thanx for the clarity.
I just saw this, really :nono:
fair minded as always with the wrong clarity I might add
one that fits what you want to think ....
so thought I would point out my remarks in color there
never said should and said I would cast my vote today if it meant equal rights for gay unions,
and yes it would be a wonderful victory at hand! I think it would fit nicely right here
with Obama's recent move and it would be historical.
seems clear to me that you think the term marriage should only pertain to marriage between a man and a woman. what is it im missing here?
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seems clear to me that you think the term marriage should only pertain to marriage between a man and a woman. what is it im missing here?
Wrong again that is what preservers of marriage believe not me
but you hear only what you want to hear.
You also think I am not pro gay marriage wrong again!
I am mostly pro gay rights though
and don't want to have my friends waiting any longer for their civil union equal rights,
they have waited a lifetime already.
Slavery happened in our past. We changed that. It's really not that difficult. The longer it goes on the more embarrassed we will be about it later.
that was a war though :shock:
and the rest of the world only 10 nations accept gay unions, only 6 states here
there is a long way to go ...
give equal rights to gay civil unions today!
Ok. Civil Rights then. Let's only go back a few decades. There's zero difference.
The stats are great ...
I too was surprised how close the religious support was for Catholics.
I guess marriage is considered a religious thing for many more than I had imagined,
I have never felt that way.
It was a matter of lifetime love for us, something my gay friends have shared but
without the benefit of even a civil gay union. I hope they will at least have this soon at
this late stage in life.
You agree but you are advocating the "separate but equal" option. How is that good?
I am advocating rights now you would like to wait for the whole cookie jar...
thats is fine but I have friends who can not wait
and deserve equal civil gay union rights more than 25 years into their relationship!
It is personal for me and I see an extended battle for the young while some of
the older couples may need something else now.
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between this and the bristol link, you're batting a thousand posting links to major assholes today
I think today I got your job.
I was going to post one by Santorum, but that one was pretty predictable.
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home? aren't you heading over the hill to george's to hang with the prez?
And for your information, George doesn't live "over the hill," he lives just a bit up the hill. I shudder to think of the things that man has seen going on on my roof.
And for your information, George doesn't live "over the hill," he lives just a bit up the hill. I shudder to think of the things that man has seen going on on my roof.
oh...for some reason i thought you were on the westside
oh, that's your house?!
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seems clear to me that you think the term marriage should only pertain to marriage between a man and a woman. what is it im missing here?
Wrong again that is what preservers of marriage believe not me
but you hear only what you want to hear.
You also think I am not pro gay marriage wrong again!
I am mostly pro gay rights though
and don't want to have my friends waiting any longer for their civil union equal rights,
they have waited a lifetime already.
and i quote you again pandora..
i am also for equal rights for all and am very fine with marriage remaining as it was intended to be between a man and a woman ...
why is it you cant admit what youve written? ive previously stated that we all know youre all for gay marriage. i am agreeing youve said this. we are on the same side with this. but what i am having the problem with, mainly cause you wont clarify it for me, is you personally stating whether or not you support gay marriage using that terminology. not only that but youve previously stated it should be given some glorious spanky new name.. basically anything BUT marrriage... which only gives creedence to what i believe to be the intent of your words. that you personally DO NOT support gays using the term marriage. and having read and re-read the above quote, which are your own words, ive finally figured it out. you dont believe it should be called marriage... and that youre okay with that. you can deny it all you like but your words speak volumes. you really should own your words pandora. it will set you free.
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seems clear to me that you think the term marriage should only pertain to marriage between a man and a woman. what is it im missing here?
Wrong again that is what preservers of marriage believe not me
but you hear only what you want to hear.
You also think I am not pro gay marriage wrong again!
I am mostly pro gay rights though
and don't want to have my friends waiting any longer for their civil union equal rights,
they have waited a lifetime already.
and i quote you again pandora..
i am also for equal rights for all and am very fine with marriage remaining as it was intended to be between a man and a woman ...
why is it you cant admit what youve written? ive previously stated that we all know youre all for gay marriage. i am agreeing youve said this. we are on the same side with this. but what i am having the problem with, mainly cause you wont clarify it for me, is you personally stating whether or not you support gay marriage using that terminology. not only that but youve previously stated it should be given some glorious spanky new name.. basically anything BUT marrriage... which only gives creedence to what i believe to be the intent of your words. that you personally DO NOT support gays using the term marriage. and having read and re-read the above quote, which are your own words, ive finally figured it out. you dont believe it should be called marriage... and that youre okay with that. you can deny it all you like but your words speak volumes. you really should own your words pandora. it will set you free.
im done with this witness your honor.
I just said I am pro gay marriage using that term but mostly pro civil rights ...
I have also explained why but will again here.
I would be fine with marriage staying between a man and a womanIF it meant
the passing of equal legal rights for gay civil unions NOW .
Yes, as a solution, a new term for gay marriages would be progression and a resolution
in the current and upcoming situation. As we saw in NC more states are going to be passing amendments defining marriage, protecting it for decades in the future.
Many will indeed want to keep marriage a traditional word while gay civil unions
and their equality will not be an issue. That never was for many of these people.
This changes the current situation greatly. This something we are just learning and witnessing.
As I have mentioned numerous times my friends who have had lifetime partners
will not be around decades from now, the equal rights is what they need NOW.
I would like to see the current administration grant them that NOW.
This has been my stance throughout the thread and what surprises me is that many here did not even know of the movement that is growing stronger as we speak to protect the definition of marriage and keep its traditional meaning while removing the civil equality completely from the equation. This will encompass more supporters why giving civil rights NOW is necessary.
The problem is, that there really is no such thing as "Marriage Preservers". They just dont like gays. The ballet result in NC wasnt about "protecting marriage". It was about keeping the gays down into a second class. You really think that people showed up in droves to protect a stupid fucking word? To provide Civil Unions, or Marriages would likely draw the same voting lines.
"protecting marriage" is just a phrase hateful people use to disguise their bigotry. Its complete horse shit and cowardly.
A couple years ago, I met a guy who was working with us, who lived in Tennessee. Right after introductions, he went on to tell me how he was taking the day off to fly to Tennessee to vote. The vote was for Tennessee to not recognize civil unions conceived in other states. He just figured it was vile and I was on board with that.
Its bullshit. Too many ignorant people are going to keep getting in the way. No matter what you call it. Just give them their marriages and be done with it.
The problem is, that there really is no such thing as "Marriage Preservers". They just dont like gays. The ballet result in NC wasnt about "protecting marriage". It was about keeping the gays down into a second class. You really think that people showed up in droves to protect a stupid fucking word?
"protecting marriage" is just a phrase hateful people use to disguise their bigotry. Its complete horse shit and cowardly.
A couple years ago, I met a guy who was working with us, who lived in Tennessee. Right after introductions, he went on to tell me how he was taking the day off to fly to Tennessee to vote. The vote was for Tennessee to not recognize civil unions conceived in other states. He just figured it was vile and I was on board with that.
Its bullshit. Too many ignorant people are going to keep getting in the way. No matter what you call it. Just give them their marriages and be done with it.
Of course its not just a word. :?
Yes there is a definite movement of those who are striving to protect traditional marriage.
Has nothing to do with not liking someone nor keeping anyone from equality under the law.
Your example is of one and yes there are many but there are many joining with the vote
only to protect the traditional meaning of marriage.
They support civil union equality but do not support changing the meaning
and definition of marriage. This is a new change in thinking,
why support has dropped for gay marriage since 2011.
show us a website or some information on this group you call preservers of marriage. I would like to see their stance and the reason they don't want gays to be allowed to use the word that is oh so sacred.
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And Puremagic, you're hired as the AMT official lawyer. Makes sense to me.
Ok. Civil Rights then. Let's only go back a few decades. There's zero difference.
they meet weekly in someone's tree fort in East bumfuck Alabama.
Don't give tree forts a bad name!
This doesnt sound like it makes a lot of sense^^^...
...but I’d be willing to abandon traditional marriage if a new type union is created, especially if traditional marriage is in the business of excluding people.
seems clear to me that you think the term marriage should only pertain to marriage between a man and a woman. what is it im missing here?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
There are two charts showing poll numbers on those exact breakdowns, religion and political party. Let me repost:
BERN, SWITZERLAND - 13 SEP 06 // PORTLAND - 26 SEP 09 // CHICAGO - 19 JUL 13 // PORTLAND - 29 NOV 13
CHICAGO - 20 AUG 16 // CHICAGO - 22 AUG 16 // PHOENIX - 09 MAY 22 // CHICAGO - 05 SEP 23 // CHICAGO - 07 SEP 23
Thanks for that. I'm a littler surprised by the Catholic support.
but you hear only what you want to hear.
You also think I am not pro gay marriage wrong again!
I am mostly pro gay rights though
and don't want to have my friends waiting any longer for their civil union equal rights,
they have waited a lifetime already.
BERN, SWITZERLAND - 13 SEP 06 // PORTLAND - 26 SEP 09 // CHICAGO - 19 JUL 13 // PORTLAND - 29 NOV 13
CHICAGO - 20 AUG 16 // CHICAGO - 22 AUG 16 // PHOENIX - 09 MAY 22 // CHICAGO - 05 SEP 23 // CHICAGO - 07 SEP 23
I too was surprised how close the religious support was for Catholics.
I guess marriage is considered a religious thing for many more than I had imagined,
I have never felt that way.
It was a matter of lifetime love for us, something my gay friends have shared but
without the benefit of even a civil gay union. I hope they will at least have this soon at
this late stage in life.
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thats is fine but I have friends who can not wait
and deserve equal civil gay union rights more than 25 years into their relationship!
It is personal for me and I see an extended battle for the young while some of
the older couples may need something else now.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/1 ... criminate/
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Sounds like a fun guy.
between this and the bristol link, you're batting a thousand posting links to major assholes today
I was going to post one by Santorum, but that one was pretty predictable.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Thanks. I've had a pretty rough week and coming home to this has been... pretty nice.
And when I can renew my vows here in America... I want Pearl Jam to play and y'all to come.
home? aren't you heading over the hill to george's to hang with the prez?
Oddly enough I was asked to sit this one out.
Seems that maybe the president doesn't necessarily want to have his picture taken with "famed gay porn director and producer Jasun Mark."
I was crushed.
And for your information, George doesn't live "over the hill," he lives just a bit up the hill. I shudder to think of the things that man has seen going on on my roof.
oh...for some reason i thought you were on the westside
oh, that's your house?!
and i quote you again pandora..
i am also for equal rights for all and am very fine with marriage remaining as it was intended to be between a man and a woman ...
why is it you cant admit what youve written? ive previously stated that we all know youre all for gay marriage. i am agreeing youve said this. we are on the same side with this. but what i am having the problem with, mainly cause you wont clarify it for me, is you personally stating whether or not you support gay marriage using that terminology. not only that but youve previously stated it should be given some glorious spanky new name.. basically anything BUT marrriage... which only gives creedence to what i believe to be the intent of your words. that you personally DO NOT support gays using the term marriage. and having read and re-read the above quote, which are your own words, ive finally figured it out. you dont believe it should be called marriage... and that youre okay with that. you can deny it all you like but your words speak volumes. you really should own your words pandora. it will set you free.
im done with this witness your honor.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I have also explained why but will again here.
I would be fine with marriage staying between a man and a woman IF it meant
the passing of equal legal rights for gay civil unions NOW .
Yes, as a solution, a new term for gay marriages would be progression and a resolution
in the current and upcoming situation. As we saw in NC more states are going to be passing amendments defining marriage, protecting it for decades in the future.
Many will indeed want to keep marriage a traditional word while gay civil unions
and their equality will not be an issue. That never was for many of these people.
This changes the current situation greatly. This something we are just learning and witnessing.
As I have mentioned numerous times my friends who have had lifetime partners
will not be around decades from now, the equal rights is what they need NOW.
I would like to see the current administration grant them that NOW.
This has been my stance throughout the thread and what surprises me is that many here did not even know of the movement that is growing stronger as we speak to protect the definition of marriage and keep its traditional meaning while removing the civil equality completely from the equation. This will encompass more supporters why giving civil rights NOW is necessary.
"protecting marriage" is just a phrase hateful people use to disguise their bigotry. Its complete horse shit and cowardly.
A couple years ago, I met a guy who was working with us, who lived in Tennessee. Right after introductions, he went on to tell me how he was taking the day off to fly to Tennessee to vote. The vote was for Tennessee to not recognize civil unions conceived in other states. He just figured it was vile and I was on board with that.
Its bullshit. Too many ignorant people are going to keep getting in the way. No matter what you call it. Just give them their marriages and be done with it.
Yes there is a definite movement of those who are striving to protect traditional marriage.
Has nothing to do with not liking someone nor keeping anyone from equality under the law.
Your example is of one and yes there are many but there are many joining with the vote
only to protect the traditional meaning of marriage.
They support civil union equality but do not support changing the meaning
and definition of marriage. This is a new change in thinking,
why support has dropped for gay marriage since 2011.
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