But I would think that you would call the cops. Cops have guns. And when the cops showed up, they would most likely point those guns at the burglars and shoot them if necessary.
How is that any different from you pointing a gun at them and shooting them if necessary?
He could take your stuff in the time it takes to call the cops and have them arrive. Cops are there to document the aftermath and rarely prevent a crime in progress. They're there to draw the chalk outline around the bodies.
Please post your address so I can come and take all of your stuff. Since I have no worries about anyone stopping me or shooting me it will be a free for all.
my address is: 1600 pennsylvania ave washington DC.
p.s. what gave you the idea that thered be no one to stop you? or that when confronted i wouldnt try to 'convince' you you were making the wrong decision in thinking you could just come in and take my stuff? i will defend my family. and i will defend my home, but i will not do it at the expense of life. how can you not undersand that?
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But I would think that you would call the cops. Cops have guns. And when the cops showed up, they would most likely point those guns at the burglars and shoot them if necessary.
How is that any different from you pointing a gun at them and shooting them if necessary?
call the cops? you have to be joking, right? where i live, the robbers would have graduated trade school before the cops even bothered to show up.
tis not my 'job' to shoot criminals. thats the cops job.
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take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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p.s. what gave you the idea that thered be no one to stop you? or that when confronted i wouldnt try to 'convince' you you were making the wrong decision in thinking you could just come in and take my stuff? i will defend my family. and i will defend my home, but i will not do it at the expense of life. how can you not undersand that?
republicans think their neighbor wants to rape their family. Republicans think the country next door wants to invade. Republicans think illegal immigrants are stealing their jobs, that terrorists want to take their freedom. that gay marriage will send them to hell. that abortion is against god's will.
Its a fear based mentality, in every issue.
and that is the republican party.
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As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but together we make a mighty fist ~ Sitting Bull
republicans think their neighbor wants to rape their family. Republicans think the country next door wants to invade. Republicans think illegal immigrants are stealing their jobs, that terrorists want to take their freedom. that gay marriage will send them to hell. that abortion is against god's will.
Its a fear based mentality, in every issue.
and that is the republican party.
Republicans..........
How arrogant to think my neighbor wants to rape my family............
How arrogant to think that my neighbor country wants to have what I have...
How ambitious am I to think that an illegal immigrant is wanting to do a job that I would never do..........how lazy am I.........how good for him/her if they want to earn a living here........
Something tells me there was a fairy tale told to me about some huge statue saying something like, "give me your sick your poor......etc etc etc......." , can't figure out the whole speech other than it meant that we were a place for all those who journey from far away places to call their home and have the opportunities that they did not previously have. I love that idea. I am all for that and if that for me, then yes, for others........
And yeah as for terrorists, well, do I think murderers murder? Do I think rapists rape? Do I think pedifiles should babysit my kids? Let's not mistake good judgement for prejudice, ok? That is a bit too naive.
Gay marriage? Do what you want, I think, But just as you would have no desire to see my or anyone else have sex in front of you, I care not to watch lesbians or homosexuals kiss in public. what they choose as their sexual preferences is their thing, but I think they can not have to push their life in front of my eyes.
And abortion being a thing of God? Of course it is not. He would not wish for that to occur I am sure in a perfect world.
But just as we all see, rest assured that God sits on His thrown and weeps profusely at all of the things that the world has ruined on our own by our own hand.
And since that is the way the world is now, like it or not, the same God waits to hold all those who have sufferred in their lives, regardless of their own poor choices or misfortune.
I am a Republican. I am cautious but not afraid. I choose to exercise no rights I would not offer another. My rights are subject by law and reason to be taken away if I abuse them. Same for everyone. I do not preach my life to anyone. I respect freedom of choice but I do not respect bullies regardless of their political stance.
I believe all that are different bring balance to the world if we only bring our positive qualities, and agree to disagree and also agree not to abuse each other.
I am a minority in this but I am not alone in this I am sure.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I was always against guns in the past. Then the way things seemed to be going in this country I started to think about it. Now things have gotten even worse, I think I'm going to look into getting one.
being a gun owner is bad but breaking in to houses is ok?
and the people that have guns are living in fear while the people that fear guns are living in bliss???
wow.... great arguments
I have no problem with gun owners. I have a problem with criminals with access to guns. (which may be gun owners)
I used to know a kid in my school who would find out who owned guns in the neighborhood and then rob them, he would steal their guns, at night even, while they slept. The fact that they were gun owners themselves was irrelevent-they had something he wanted. And at that age kids are immortal, so they think, so the idea that he might get shot never even crossed his mind.
The more guns we give to people the more guns end up in the hand of criminals. Its that simple.
being a gun owner is bad but breaking in to houses is ok?
and the people that have guns are living in fear while the people that fear guns are living in bliss???
wow.... great arguments
Wow... great argument. Where did you get this? Who said being a gun owner is bad, and please do tell me who said breaking into houses is ok?
In my opinion there is a gun problem in the US. That does not mean owning a gun is bad. And just because I think it's not ok to kill a kid because he wanted to steal your blender, doesn't mean I think stealing or breaking into houses is ok.
I have no problem with gun owners. I have a problem with criminals with access to guns. (which may be gun owners)
I used to know a kid in my school who would find out who owned guns in the neighborhood and then rob them, he would steal their guns, at night even, while they slept. The fact that they were gun owners themselves was irrelevent-they had something he wanted. And at that age kids are immortal, so they think, so the idea that he might get shot never even crossed his mind.
The more guns we give to people the more guns end up in the hand of criminals. Its that simple.
yeah, but although I don't want a gun here; just because I am afraid of my kids being around them, I am sorry to disagree with you in that just because somone ownsa gun, the criminals would be getting more opportunities to have one. I don't consider that kid a true criminal. True criminals buy guns from other major criminals, they don't pickpocket them so to speak from other people's homes.
I know your point and I respect your view, but I am just saying that this is not a common thing, or not one that adds to the huge major gun issues.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
this came up between a few friends and myself this past weekend.
how many people are scared enough about whats going on in the world, and the U.S. right now with the market, the election and all to buy a gun?
it came up because the guys at the table next to us , one said he has always been against guns and all that , but was buying a few guns for protection because he thought the country was going to go to shit soon.
just got me thinking.
edit: after getting blasted for 9 pages. i have two friends in this unit in the army who just got back from iraq.
this comes from the Army Times site. not some conspiracy nuts site. http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
Randomized, controlled, double-blind, multicenter comparison of the
cognitive effects of ziprasidone versus olanzapine in acutely ill inpatients
with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder
Journal Psychopharmacology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0033-3158 (Print) 1432-2072 (Online)
Issue Volume 172, Number 3 / March, 2004
Category Original Investigation
DOI 10.1007/s00213-003-1652-2
Pages 324-332
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Date Thursday, February 19, 2004
Jackie Speier
Member of Congress
Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 112
Burlingame, CA 94010
(650) 347-4370
Randomized, controlled, double-blind, multicenter comparison of the
cognitive effects of ziprasidone versus olanzapine in acutely ill inpatients
with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder
Journal Psychopharmacology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0033-3158 (Print) 1432-2072 (Online)
Issue Volume 172, Number 3 / March, 2004
Category Original Investigation
DOI 10.1007/s00213-003-1652-2
Pages 324-332
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Date Thursday, February 19, 2004
Texas: After he was snared in a net of swirling controversies including an e-mail scandal and the high-profile indictment of a sitting Supreme Court justice followed by an immediate move to dismiss that case, Harris County (Houston), Texas, District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal resigned from office. It was a stunning reversal of fortunes.
In a press release, Rosenthal said prescription drugs had impaired his judgment. But it was what happened inside a southeast Houston home six years earlier that led to events in a federal courtroom and to Rosenthal's resignation. Erik and Sean Ibarra -- the power of common men.
Mississippi: The Innocence Project has asked the state to fill the long-vacant position of State Medical Examiner, and to stop using state pathologist Dr. Steven Hayne. Dr. Hayne's work lies at the heart of the wrongful convictions of Kennedy Brewer and Levon Brooks. His credentials and the results of his work have been solidly discredited for several years, but he is under no oversight because the State Medical Examiner position has been vacant for more than a decade. How many more wrongful convictions before the state acts responsibly?
But Dr. Steven Hayne is only half of the despicable duo. Forensic odontologist Dr. Michael West found "bite marks" no one else could see on the bodies of the little victims in both cases, and in both cases, testified that Kennedy Brewer and Levon Brooks were each guilty. "If you fabricate evidence in a capital murder case, where you know that if the person's convicted they are going to be executed -- as far as I'm concerned that's the crime of attempted murder,'' says Peter Neufeld. "He's a criminal."
Massachusetts: Stephan Cowans spent nearly seven of his 37 years of life behind bars, locked up for a crime he did not commit. Exonerated in January 2004, Cowans sued and ultimately received a $3.2 million settlement from the city of Boston in 2006. This past October (2007), he was shot dead in his Randolph home. Cowans never learned how, or why, he came to be blamed for the non-fatal shooting of Boston police officer Gregory Gallagher in 1997. Now, the Boston Phoenix has uncovered substantial new information about the Cowans case. These revelations are troubling, as they suggest that key members of the Boston Police Department (BPD) knew that Cowans was innocent, even as they forged the case to prosecute him. Incompetent--or Corrupt?
New York: New York state investigators are probing how police and prosecutors handled the 1988 bludgeoning and stabbing deaths of Seymour and Arlene Tankleff, whose son, Marty Tankleff, served 17 years in prison for their murders before being released in December, 2007. What Took So Long?
New York: A teen shooting suspect's quick decision to record his interrogation with a hidden MP3 device has played out as a perjury case against a veteran detective. Testifying at the trial of Erik Crespo in April, Detective Christopher Perino, 42, emphatically stated that he hadn't questioned the then-17-year-old about a Christmas Day 2005 shooting in The Bronx before the kid's mother and aunt showed up at the 44th Precinct station. But Crespo had secretly pressed record on his MP3 player - a small device used to download music from the Internet - hidden in his pocket and captured the bullying interrogation. "Testilying" vs. Tape.
Link:
Texas Math
What do you get when you take one ambitious prosecutor, four cold cases, a couple of cooperative snitches and four defendants with compelling innocence claims? You get three death sentences and one life without parole.
Hawaii: A hard-won victory for the common man: Pinkerton v. KPD (Link)
Wow... great argument. Where did you get this? Who said being a gun owner is bad, and please do tell me who said breaking into houses is ok?
I do think stuff is worth less than human lives.
Again, you can be anti-gun and not fear guns.
Well someone earlier said you could always get new stuff after your house was broken into....
I agree stuff is worth less than human lives but that doesn't trivialize burglary....
I'm sure when one decides to take the risk of breaking into someone's home they realize they could get shot doing it so essentially they are the one's taking the risk by breaking into my home. If they get killed breaking into someone's home that has a gun it's their fault not the gun or the gunowner.
ABSTRACT: The proposition that widespread gun ownership serves as a deterrent to residential burglary is widely touted by advocates, but the evidence is weak, consisting of anecdotes, interviews with burglars, casual comparisons with other countries, and the like. A more systematic exploration requires data on local rates of gun ownership and of residential burglary, and such data have only recently become available. In this paper we exploit a new well-validated proxy for local gun-ownership prevalence -- the proportion of suicides that involve firearms -- together with newly available geo-coded data from the National Crime Victimization Survey, to produce the first systematic estimates of the net effects of gun prevalence on residential burglary patterns. The importance of such empirical work stems in part from the fact that theoretical considerations do not provide much guidance in predicting the net effects of widespread gun ownership. Guns in the home may pose a threat to burglars, but also serve as an inducement, since guns are particularly valuable loot. Other things equal, a gun-rich community provides more lucrative burglary opportunities than one where guns are more sparse. The new empirical results reported here provide no support for a net deterrent effect from widespread gun ownership. Rather, our analysis concludes that residential burglary rates tend to increase with community gun prevalence.
in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...
in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms
now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!
we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!
you can clearly see you have a major problem with guns in your country... posting figures about other countries will always actually prove that your country is worse than others.
you cant argue with that. to do so would be both ignorant and futile.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...
in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms
now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!
we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!
you can clearly see you have a major problem with guns in your country... posting figures about other countries will always actually prove that your country is worse than others.
you cant argue with that. to do so would be both ignorant and futile.
and the argument that guns are needed to protect you against the government is rediculous. The government is dangerous, don't get me wrong, but what in the hell is a gun gonna do against tanks and apcs and jets? even the police?
The power of the people is in our ablity to shut this country down through non-violence, through general strikes, mass protests, MLK style, not through violence.
The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are clear examples of how lightly-equipped militia can cause big problems for a technologically advanced army.
why is this even being discussed? nobody will invade america, and certainly not its own government...
be afraid, be very afraid.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
You're saying that the American people have nothing to fear from its own government?
judging by the amount of fear shown in gun threads alone i'm not surprised they fear their own government... in fact i wonder how Americans actually make it past fucking Halloween.
but to answer the question... no i dont. i dont think of the world in terms of 'fear'.. if you seriously think an armed militia of 8000 fat people is the answer to your government attacking you then good luck with that... i'll be on a mountain in Scotland pointing and mocking.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
some of those quotes are over 200 years old... are they still relevant? 200 years ago women couldnt vote, you could have a slave, your mode of transport was a fucking horse and beards were taxed...
this is 2008... stop reminiscing about things some old men wrote 200+ years ago... it's backward
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are clear examples of how lightly-equipped militia can cause big problems for a technologically advanced army.
Eh, its a different argument here. guerilla warfare is effective, don't fuck with the VC obviously, and yeah Afghanistan and Iraq are still resisting. But they were/are resisting occupation form a foreign army. That's something else.
I was talking about internal disorder, social progress. And the most effective way is MLK style, not violence.
Eh, its a different argument here. guerilla warfare is effective, don't fuck with the VC obviously, and yeah Afghanistan and Iraq are still resisting. But they were/are resisting occupation form a foreign army. That's something else.
I was talking about internal disorder, social progress. And the most effective way is MLK style, not violence.
In a state of martial law, MLK style resistance won't do any good.
but to answer the question... no i dont. i dont think of the world in terms of 'fear'.. if you seriously think an armed militia of 8000 fat people is the answer to your government attacking you then good luck with that... i'll be on a mountain in Scotland pointing and mocking.
Yes, use a steretype to support your argument. That always works.
Yes, use a steretype to support your argument. That always works.
well thats because no pro-gun person ever responds to posts like this:-
in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...
in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms
now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!
we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!
you can clearly see you have a major problem with guns in your country... posting figures about other countries will always actually prove that your country is worse than others.
you cant argue with that. to do so would be both ignorant and futile.
it'd be nice if a pro-gun poster cam on and said 'you know what... we do have a problem, perhaps we should look at this gun problem of ours' instead of just doing an ostrich.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Well someone earlier said you could always get new stuff after your house was broken into....
I agree stuff is worth less than human lives but that doesn't trivialize burglary....
I'm sure when one decides to take the risk of breaking into someone's home they realize they could get shot doing it so essentially they are the one's taking the risk by breaking into my home. If they get killed breaking into someone's home that has a gun it's their fault not the gun or the gunowner.
it's that simple..
yep yep
You can get new stuff after your stuff was stolen. How does that mean burglary is ok? If you value human life more than stuff, why would you kill over stuff? We are talking about things now, not family members or yourself. So that's why people say you can buy new things, because if you truly value a man's life more than things... buying new stuff seems more reasonable than killing people.
And I don't agree with you, I don't think it's that simple. If someone gets killed because he's breaking in the gun owner is responsible for that man's death. The burglar is of course taking a huge risk, he should know half of America is prepared to kill over a blender. You could say it's his fault. But then again, lots of people make mistakes that doesn't mean I think they should die.
Maybe it's a circle of violence. Americans feel the need to have a gun so they can kill intruders, intruders realize this so they come prepared as well.
In a state of martial law, MLK style resistance won't do any good.
Under any circumstance, in any situation, the people of any country, anywhere in the world, can shut any system down.
Governments rule with the people's consent, be it a totalitarian dictatorship or a communist structure or capitalist, it doesn't matter. Governments operate under the principle of the consent of the governed, because ultimately the people have the power. And that really isn't an opinion. If a population were organized enough, they could all decide not to show up for work tomorrow. And there is nothing to govern if the country isn't running.
It comes down to labor ultimately. And this is an opinion, but I think unarmed mass public protest and general strikes are really the only way to instigate any substantial form of social progress. Pass laws, vote in your representative, but inevitably politicians end up serving owners and managers. We have to make them hear us, and only through public protests and general strikes can we make them listen.
Martial law? Fuck em. If no one is working they don't have anything to be in charge of. We are the majority. We are in charge. And it doesn't matter how many guns they have or how many jails, if we decide not to run the country thats it.
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He could take your stuff in the time it takes to call the cops and have them arrive. Cops are there to document the aftermath and rarely prevent a crime in progress. They're there to draw the chalk outline around the bodies.
my address is: 1600 pennsylvania ave washington DC.
p.s. what gave you the idea that thered be no one to stop you? or that when confronted i wouldnt try to 'convince' you you were making the wrong decision in thinking you could just come in and take my stuff? i will defend my family. and i will defend my home, but i will not do it at the expense of life. how can you not undersand that?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
call the cops? you have to be joking, right? where i live, the robbers would have graduated trade school before the cops even bothered to show up.
tis not my 'job' to shoot criminals. thats the cops job.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Ah...the Obama school of though....
Crazy people can be 'reasoned' with.
:rolleyes:
Mighty true words!
As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but together we make a mighty fist ~ Sitting Bull
Republicans..........
How arrogant to think my neighbor wants to rape my family............
How arrogant to think that my neighbor country wants to have what I have...
How ambitious am I to think that an illegal immigrant is wanting to do a job that I would never do..........how lazy am I.........how good for him/her if they want to earn a living here........
Something tells me there was a fairy tale told to me about some huge statue saying something like, "give me your sick your poor......etc etc etc......." , can't figure out the whole speech other than it meant that we were a place for all those who journey from far away places to call their home and have the opportunities that they did not previously have. I love that idea. I am all for that and if that for me, then yes, for others........
And yeah as for terrorists, well, do I think murderers murder? Do I think rapists rape? Do I think pedifiles should babysit my kids? Let's not mistake good judgement for prejudice, ok? That is a bit too naive.
Gay marriage? Do what you want, I think, But just as you would have no desire to see my or anyone else have sex in front of you, I care not to watch lesbians or homosexuals kiss in public. what they choose as their sexual preferences is their thing, but I think they can not have to push their life in front of my eyes.
And abortion being a thing of God? Of course it is not. He would not wish for that to occur I am sure in a perfect world.
But just as we all see, rest assured that God sits on His thrown and weeps profusely at all of the things that the world has ruined on our own by our own hand.
And since that is the way the world is now, like it or not, the same God waits to hold all those who have sufferred in their lives, regardless of their own poor choices or misfortune.
I am a Republican. I am cautious but not afraid. I choose to exercise no rights I would not offer another. My rights are subject by law and reason to be taken away if I abuse them. Same for everyone. I do not preach my life to anyone. I respect freedom of choice but I do not respect bullies regardless of their political stance.
I believe all that are different bring balance to the world if we only bring our positive qualities, and agree to disagree and also agree not to abuse each other.
I am a minority in this but I am not alone in this I am sure.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
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being a gun owner is bad but breaking in to houses is ok?
and the people that have guns are living in fear while the people that fear guns are living in bliss???
wow.... great arguments
I have no problem with gun owners. I have a problem with criminals with access to guns. (which may be gun owners)
I used to know a kid in my school who would find out who owned guns in the neighborhood and then rob them, he would steal their guns, at night even, while they slept. The fact that they were gun owners themselves was irrelevent-they had something he wanted. And at that age kids are immortal, so they think, so the idea that he might get shot never even crossed his mind.
The more guns we give to people the more guns end up in the hand of criminals. Its that simple.
Wow... great argument. Where did you get this? Who said being a gun owner is bad, and please do tell me who said breaking into houses is ok?
In my opinion there is a gun problem in the US. That does not mean owning a gun is bad. And just because I think it's not ok to kill a kid because he wanted to steal your blender, doesn't mean I think stealing or breaking into houses is ok.
I do think stuff is worth less than human lives.
Again, you can be anti-gun and not fear guns.
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yeah, but although I don't want a gun here; just because I am afraid of my kids being around them, I am sorry to disagree with you in that just because somone ownsa gun, the criminals would be getting more opportunities to have one. I don't consider that kid a true criminal. True criminals buy guns from other major criminals, they don't pickpocket them so to speak from other people's homes.
I know your point and I respect your view, but I am just saying that this is not a common thing, or not one that adds to the huge major gun issues.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
cognitive effects of ziprasidone versus olanzapine in acutely ill inpatients
with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder
Journal Psychopharmacology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0033-3158 (Print) 1432-2072 (Online)
Issue Volume 172, Number 3 / March, 2004
Category Original Investigation
DOI 10.1007/s00213-003-1652-2
Pages 324-332
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Date Thursday, February 19, 2004
Member of Congress
Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 112
Burlingame, CA 94010
(650) 347-4370
Randomized, controlled, double-blind, multicenter comparison of the
cognitive effects of ziprasidone versus olanzapine in acutely ill inpatients
with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder
Journal Psychopharmacology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0033-3158 (Print) 1432-2072 (Online)
Issue Volume 172, Number 3 / March, 2004
Category Original Investigation
DOI 10.1007/s00213-003-1652-2
Pages 324-332
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Date Thursday, February 19, 2004
Texas: After he was snared in a net of swirling controversies including an e-mail scandal and the high-profile indictment of a sitting Supreme Court justice followed by an immediate move to dismiss that case, Harris County (Houston), Texas, District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal resigned from office. It was a stunning reversal of fortunes.
In a press release, Rosenthal said prescription drugs had impaired his judgment. But it was what happened inside a southeast Houston home six years earlier that led to events in a federal courtroom and to Rosenthal's resignation. Erik and Sean Ibarra -- the power of common men.
Mississippi: The Innocence Project has asked the state to fill the long-vacant position of State Medical Examiner, and to stop using state pathologist Dr. Steven Hayne. Dr. Hayne's work lies at the heart of the wrongful convictions of Kennedy Brewer and Levon Brooks. His credentials and the results of his work have been solidly discredited for several years, but he is under no oversight because the State Medical Examiner position has been vacant for more than a decade. How many more wrongful convictions before the state acts responsibly?
But Dr. Steven Hayne is only half of the despicable duo. Forensic odontologist Dr. Michael West found "bite marks" no one else could see on the bodies of the little victims in both cases, and in both cases, testified that Kennedy Brewer and Levon Brooks were each guilty. "If you fabricate evidence in a capital murder case, where you know that if the person's convicted they are going to be executed -- as far as I'm concerned that's the crime of attempted murder,'' says Peter Neufeld. "He's a criminal."
Massachusetts: Stephan Cowans spent nearly seven of his 37 years of life behind bars, locked up for a crime he did not commit. Exonerated in January 2004, Cowans sued and ultimately received a $3.2 million settlement from the city of Boston in 2006. This past October (2007), he was shot dead in his Randolph home. Cowans never learned how, or why, he came to be blamed for the non-fatal shooting of Boston police officer Gregory Gallagher in 1997. Now, the Boston Phoenix has uncovered substantial new information about the Cowans case. These revelations are troubling, as they suggest that key members of the Boston Police Department (BPD) knew that Cowans was innocent, even as they forged the case to prosecute him. Incompetent--or Corrupt?
New York: New York state investigators are probing how police and prosecutors handled the 1988 bludgeoning and stabbing deaths of Seymour and Arlene Tankleff, whose son, Marty Tankleff, served 17 years in prison for their murders before being released in December, 2007. What Took So Long?
New York: A teen shooting suspect's quick decision to record his interrogation with a hidden MP3 device has played out as a perjury case against a veteran detective. Testifying at the trial of Erik Crespo in April, Detective Christopher Perino, 42, emphatically stated that he hadn't questioned the then-17-year-old about a Christmas Day 2005 shooting in The Bronx before the kid's mother and aunt showed up at the 44th Precinct station. But Crespo had secretly pressed record on his MP3 player - a small device used to download music from the Internet - hidden in his pocket and captured the bullying interrogation. "Testilying" vs. Tape.
Link:
Texas Math
What do you get when you take one ambitious prosecutor, four cold cases, a couple of cooperative snitches and four defendants with compelling innocence claims? You get three death sentences and one life without parole.
Hawaii: A hard-won victory for the common man: Pinkerton v. KPD (Link)
Well someone earlier said you could always get new stuff after your house was broken into....
I agree stuff is worth less than human lives but that doesn't trivialize burglary....
I'm sure when one decides to take the risk of breaking into someone's home they realize they could get shot doing it so essentially they are the one's taking the risk by breaking into my home. If they get killed breaking into someone's home that has a gun it's their fault not the gun or the gunowner.
it's that simple..
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I did a quick Google search and this was the first thing I came up with:
http://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/8926.html
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=117
http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html
first one i found.
its working out great for them. crime is non existent. people dont get mugged in london anymore. home burglary has dropped to almost nothing.
and people tend to forget one of the major reasons that we have a right to bear arms.
to protect ourselves from the government.
read your history.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/quotes.html
nice little link with some great quotes from the men who built this country.
that article is idiotic
in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...
in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms
now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!
we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!
you can clearly see you have a major problem with guns in your country... posting figures about other countries will always actually prove that your country is worse than others.
you cant argue with that. to do so would be both ignorant and futile.
and the argument that guns are needed to protect you against the government is rediculous. The government is dangerous, don't get me wrong, but what in the hell is a gun gonna do against tanks and apcs and jets? even the police?
The power of the people is in our ablity to shut this country down through non-violence, through general strikes, mass protests, MLK style, not through violence.
The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are clear examples of how lightly-equipped militia can cause big problems for a technologically advanced army.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
why is this even being discussed? nobody will invade america, and certainly not its own government...
be afraid, be very afraid.
You're saying that the American people have nothing to fear from its own government?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
judging by the amount of fear shown in gun threads alone i'm not surprised they fear their own government... in fact i wonder how Americans actually make it past fucking Halloween.
but to answer the question... no i dont. i dont think of the world in terms of 'fear'.. if you seriously think an armed militia of 8000 fat people is the answer to your government attacking you then good luck with that... i'll be on a mountain in Scotland pointing and mocking.
some of those quotes are over 200 years old... are they still relevant? 200 years ago women couldnt vote, you could have a slave, your mode of transport was a fucking horse and beards were taxed...
this is 2008... stop reminiscing about things some old men wrote 200+ years ago... it's backward
I was talking about internal disorder, social progress. And the most effective way is MLK style, not violence.
In a state of martial law, MLK style resistance won't do any good.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Yes, use a steretype to support your argument. That always works.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
well thats because no pro-gun person ever responds to posts like this:-
in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...
in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms
now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!
we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!
you can clearly see you have a major problem with guns in your country... posting figures about other countries will always actually prove that your country is worse than others.
you cant argue with that. to do so would be both ignorant and futile.
it'd be nice if a pro-gun poster cam on and said 'you know what... we do have a problem, perhaps we should look at this gun problem of ours' instead of just doing an ostrich.
You can get new stuff after your stuff was stolen. How does that mean burglary is ok? If you value human life more than stuff, why would you kill over stuff? We are talking about things now, not family members or yourself. So that's why people say you can buy new things, because if you truly value a man's life more than things... buying new stuff seems more reasonable than killing people.
And I don't agree with you, I don't think it's that simple. If someone gets killed because he's breaking in the gun owner is responsible for that man's death. The burglar is of course taking a huge risk, he should know half of America is prepared to kill over a blender. You could say it's his fault. But then again, lots of people make mistakes that doesn't mean I think they should die.
Maybe it's a circle of violence. Americans feel the need to have a gun so they can kill intruders, intruders realize this so they come prepared as well.
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Governments rule with the people's consent, be it a totalitarian dictatorship or a communist structure or capitalist, it doesn't matter. Governments operate under the principle of the consent of the governed, because ultimately the people have the power. And that really isn't an opinion. If a population were organized enough, they could all decide not to show up for work tomorrow. And there is nothing to govern if the country isn't running.
It comes down to labor ultimately. And this is an opinion, but I think unarmed mass public protest and general strikes are really the only way to instigate any substantial form of social progress. Pass laws, vote in your representative, but inevitably politicians end up serving owners and managers. We have to make them hear us, and only through public protests and general strikes can we make them listen.
Martial law? Fuck em. If no one is working they don't have anything to be in charge of. We are the majority. We are in charge. And it doesn't matter how many guns they have or how many jails, if we decide not to run the country thats it.