gun question.

unsung

And the Democrat party takes my money via taxation and gives funds to those illegal aliens that are breaking our laws. Plus if it were up to them the only people with guns would be the police. The crooks would still have them.

Commy

unsung wrote:

And the Democrat party takes my money via taxation and gives funds to those illegal aliens that are breaking our laws. Plus if it were up to them the only people with guns would be the police. The crooks would still have them.

I see the dilemna. And also seem to notice that stated ideals from either party are very different from policies they implement. Seems big business serves both corporate parties and vice-versa. While the public 'debates' these discrepencies in their policies, it serves no purpose, as they do what they always do, and that is serve big business.

Anon

jeffbr wrote:

Great strategy. So because you can't account for all contingencies, it is best not to plan for any of them. If it works for you, that's great.

I don't live in fear. I don't carry a weapon. But if a situation presents itself and I have access to my firearm I'll definitely be using it.

Look, that's your right, you can do whatever you wish. All i'm saying is that i don't want to live that like. I couldn't shoot anyone. Period.

South of Seattle

Commy wrote:

agreed. I don't own any guns anymore. I had a shotgun and a handgun, but what's the point? I don't hunt anymore, and I could never shoot someone.

I'm with you.

I probably could never kill anyone, but I could easily shoot someone to protect myself and property. I'd shoot their knee or something though.

therover

For those who would rather die than protect what belongs to them.....I don't understand that. I'd rather live. Would I kill someone who is trying to put an end to that? You bet your ass I would, without hesitation. My life(or loved ones lives) means more to me than theirs. Sorry, that's just how I feel. Would I kill someone for any other reason than that, NO.

Look, if you break into my home when I'm not there fine, you got me, I'll buy new stuff. But if you break into my house when I am home, I don't know what your intentions are and I'm not going to ask. You die.

Would I steal food for my family? If all other options were gone, YES. I have other skills and live in an area that would allow me to provide food for my family(hunting & fishing). But people don't break into houses to steal food.

My home is the only part of this world that I truly own. You can have the rest, but leave my part alone or suffer the consequences.

69charger

Pj_Gurl wrote:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but proper training and lots of practice is not going to stop you from getting your brains blown out when someone points his gun at you from afar or from behind you, or as you lay sleeping, or as you are driving along the street or when you don't haver your gun in your hand to start with....

Just saying...

Wouldn't protect me from a meteor strike either, what's your point?

Commy

69charger wrote:

Wouldn't protect me from a meteor strike either, what's your point?

Well...can you prepare for a meteor strike?

Collin

therover wrote:

For those who would rather die than protect what belongs to them.....I don't understand that. I'd rather live. Would I kill someone who is trying to put an end to that? You bet your ass I would, without hesitation. My life(or loved ones lives) means more to me than theirs. Sorry, that's just how I feel. Would I kill someone for any other reason than that, NO.

Look, if you break into my home when I'm not there fine, you got me, I'll buy new stuff. But if you break into my house when I am home, I don't know what your intentions are and I'm not going to ask. You die.

Would I steal food for my family? If all other options were gone, YES. I have other skills and live in an area that would allow me to provide food for my family(hunting & fishing). But people don't break into houses to steal food.

My home is the only part of this world that I truly own. You can have the rest, but leave my part alone or suffer the consequences.

I have no problem with people owning guns for protection, although I don't understand people who'd kill for a TV.

It sickens me.

That being said, what bothers me in posts like yours in the confidence. You have a gun, so that means the intruder dies.

I'd hate to burst your bubble, but this is not a movie. It's reality. Yes, there is indeed a possibility that you will be able to murder the intruder first. However, it seems far more plausible that the intruder might sneak into your house at night, when you're sleeping. The intruder has an advantage. Furthermore, your training is a plus but don't forget that the other guy can easily be as good as you or even better (he's a criminal, he might be used to killing people).

So, you can all sound tough and say "Come into my house uninvited and you'll die" that's all fine and dandy... just as long as you know it's just tough talk and not actually reality.

Having a gun and proper training does not automatically mean you're safe, and it doesn't mean you'll be able to use your gun or your training when someone comes into your house.

And, I'm sorry but the US is either the most violent fucked up land ever or you guys are all afraid...

I know quite a few people who've had burglars into their homes. They were asleep, the burglars took their stuff. The next day they called the police and their insurance paid everything back. No need to kill a fellow human being. This was the case with all of them.

Also, the majority of burglars here don't carry guns, because guns are not a part of our culture like in the US.

Maybe the mixture of gun culture and materialism is the problem here. Because, like I said before, it completely sickens me that people would kill for a tv. Moreover, I think people who kill because of TV should be punished.

I know this opinion won't be very popular... so shoot me

Collin

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catefrances

therover wrote:

For those who would rather die than protect what belongs to them.....I don't understand that. I'd rather live. Would I kill someone who is trying to put an end to that? You bet your ass I would, without hesitation. My life(or loved ones lives) means more to me than theirs. Sorry, that's just how I feel. Would I kill someone for any other reason than that, NO.

Look, if you break into my home when I'm not there fine, you got me, I'll buy new stuff. But if you break into my house when I am home, I don't know what your intentions are and I'm not going to ask. You die.

Would I steal food for my family? If all other options were gone, YES. I have other skills and live in an area that would allow me to provide food for my family(hunting & fishing). But people don't break into houses to steal food.

My home is the only part of this world that I truly own. You can have the rest, but leave my part alone or suffer the consequences.

tis not that wed rather die. tis just that we value human life above possessions. a life is not worth a DVD or money or anything else thats disposable. human life is not disposable.
if you broke into my home i would give you what you came for without hesitation. your life is worth more, my life is worth more and the lives of my children are worth more than anything that came with a price tag. tis that simple.

eyedclaar

catefrances wrote:

tis not that wed rather die. tis just that we value human life above possessions. a life is not worth a DVD or money or anything else thats disposable. human life is not disposable.
if you broke into my home i would give you what you came for without hesitation. your life is worth more, my life is worth more and the lives of my children are worth more than anything that came with a price tag. tis that simple.

You paint a very Norman Rockwell-esque picture of robberies and thieves. I'm totally robbing your house and hoping I also get tea and toast while I'm there.

Gonzo1977

Gun Protection.
From the gun, or from the person with the gun?

To Feel Safe
Do we really need guns to feel safe?

To Hunt
Do we really need guns to hunt?


No different than Booze

Some get drunk
Some get stupid
Some can handle it
Some can't.

It's all relative to you

OffHeGoes29

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Gun Protection.
From the gun, or from the person with the gun?

To Feel Safe
Do we really need guns to feel safe?

To Hunt
Do we really need guns to hunt?


No different than Booze

Some get drunk
Some get stupid
Some can handle it
Some can't.

It's all relative to you

I agree with you, but just like prohibition, it won't curb the problem.

Collin

eyedclaar wrote:

You paint a very Norman Rockwell-esque picture of robberies and thieves. I'm totally robbing your house and hoping I also get tea and toast while I'm there.

I guess we just live in two different worlds (or three, I don't know about cate's wicked world). Here, thieves run if you turn on the light or make some noise. In the US they apparently rape the women and kill everyone afterwards.

catefrances

eyedclaar wrote:

You paint a very Norman Rockwell-esque picture of robberies and thieves. I'm totally robbing your house and hoping I also get tea and toast while I'm there.

oh im very well aware that there are different degrees of robber. but tha does not alter my stance.
perhaps my mindset is different cause i live in a different society, i dont know. but it seems to me that a lot of people spout a lot of chest thumping bullshit. and thats fine in theory. but to say youll shoot any motherfucker that enters your home is being absolute about something you know nothing about unless youve experienced it before. its a hell of a thing killing a human being. i imagine cause ive not done it. and you have to be damn sure about what youre doing.

catefrances

Collin wrote:

I guess we just live in two different worlds (or three, I don't know about cate's wicked world). Here, thieves run if you turn on the light or make some noise. In the US they apparently rape the women and kill everyone afterwards.

my wicked world?? LMAO!!

eyedclaar

catefrances wrote:

oh im very well aware that there are different degrees of robber. but tha does not alter my stance.
perhaps my mindset is different cause i live in a different society, i dont know. but it seems to me that a lot of people spout a lot of chest thumping bullshit. and thats fine in theory. but to say youll shoot any motherfucker that enters your home is being absolute about something you know nothing about unless youve experienced it before. its a hell of a thing killing a human being. i imagine cause ive not done it. and you have to be damn sure about what youre doing.

I'm just playing a little. I'm not one of the "I'd shoot any person who enters my house" kind of gun nut. If they were just there to steal something, I would control the situation and have them lay face down on the floor and wait for the cops to come get them. Now, if they were violent and I thought for one second my life or my wife's life was in real danger, that person is getting hurt really bad.

Actually, I've had cops tell me that if I shoot someone inside my house, make sure I kill them so they can't testify against me.

catefrances

eyedclaar wrote:

I'm just playing a little. I'm not one of the "I'd shoot any person who enters my house" kind of gun nut. If they were just there to steal something, I would control the situation and have them lay face down on the floor and wait for the cops to come get them. Now, if they were violent and I thought for one second my life or my wife's life was in real danger, that person is getting hurt really bad.

Actually, I've had cops tell me that if I shoot someone inside my house, make sure I kill them so they can't testify against me.

seems like fair advice to me.

unsung

catefrances wrote:

tis not that wed rather die. tis just that we value human life above possessions. a life is not worth a DVD or money or anything else thats disposable. human life is not disposable.
if you broke into my home i would give you what you came for without hesitation. your life is worth more, my life is worth more and the lives of my children are worth more than anything that came with a price tag. tis that simple.

Please post your address so I can come and take all of your stuff. Since I have no worries about anyone stopping me or shooting me it will be a free for all.

sponger

catefrances wrote:

tis not that wed rather die. tis just that we value human life above possessions. a life is not worth a DVD or money or anything else thats disposable. human life is not disposable.
if you broke into my home i would give you what you came for without hesitation. your life is worth more, my life is worth more and the lives of my children are worth more than anything that came with a price tag. tis that simple.

But I would think that you would call the cops. Cops have guns. And when the cops showed up, they would most likely point those guns at the burglars and shoot them if necessary.

How is that any different from you pointing a gun at them and shooting them if necessary?