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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    My wife now knows how to use one first of all. And second that is a stupid reason not to own a gun. Don't own one because you might not be their to use it? Dumb.
    And if it did ever happen again, and I was home, my family would be protected.
    Screw me once, its your fault.
    Screw me twice, its mine.

    It's not a reason not to own a gun. It just shows how having a gun doesn't protect your family. I hear this as a reason for owning a gun all the time, your family's experience is a perfect example of how a gun often doesn't change anything at all.

    Even if you are home, a gun does not guarantee your safety in any way. I´m thinking an alarm system would probably keep your family a lot safer.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Collin wrote:

    Even if you are home, a gun does not guarantee your safety in any way. I´m thinking an alarm system would probably keep your family a lot safer.

    I think it all depends on where you live also. I grew up in Johannesburg, at the peak of the crime burst.

    I lived in a home with Giant walls around it, a security system and gates, bars on the windows. We still had armed men break in and do whatever they did.

    no guarantees in anything....I don't like guns, even if I moved back to Joburg I probably would still not buy a gun. That's just me, but I know that it has helped many many people defend themselves and prevent rapes and murders.

    But do the dangers outweigh the benefits?....That I don't know,
  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    Interesting subject and one in which a lot of pj pc folks have a very one-sided view of. I'm a total liberal but I was born into a family that owned a lot of guns. I also spend a lot of time in the back, back woods where some unsavory characters roam. My mom would have been murdered or raped one time if she hadn't stuck a pistol in these creeps' faces and forced them to get back into their truck and leave her alone.

    So, I own guns and have been trained on their proper use from an early age. I am comfortable around them. I do not live in fear. I don't worry about being attacked or having my wife attacked, however, I am prepared if I ever need to be. I keep weapons in reach but out of sight, especially when I'm in the mountains.

    I don't think the current times are any better reason to own a gun. In fact, I don't think most people are emotionally prepared for the responsibility of gun ownership and they certainly aren't very well trained on how to use them.

    I guess I just don't appreciate the stereotype associated with gun owners.
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  • acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    eyedclaar wrote:

    I don't think the current times are any better reason to own a gun. In fact, I don't think most people are emotionally prepared for the responsibility of gun ownership and they certainly aren't very well trained on how to use them.

    I guess I just don't appreciate the stereotype associated with gun owners.
    Interesting post.
    I think that people who own guns usually respect them and wait....
    I mean the people who I know respect them, not the thugs on the street. I grew up around them aswell and learned respect for them. Safety first. Their is now way my daughter could first find it, and second get a hold on it.
    For the record I am well trained. ;) BANG! Ouch!lol
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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    Interesting post.
    I think that people who own guns usually respect them and wait....
    I mean the people who I know respect them, not the thugs on the street. I grew up around them aswell and learned respect for them. Safety first. Their is now way my daughter could first find it, and second get a hold on it.
    For the record I am well trained. ;) BANG! Ouch!lol

    I've been in the presence of about a million idiots who would tell you they are responsible and well-trained, but not by my definition. Like I've said before, at least half of all legal gun owners in this country ought to be pistol-whipped with their own guns.
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  • youngsteryoungster Boston Posts: 6,576
    My wife and I both own guns----about 12 total. We are both trained and educated in gun safety and enjoy taking them to the range. We have a 1 year old son in the house so naturally ALL my guns are locked up, 10 in a safe in the cellar and 2 in a safe in our bedroom closet. I can't tell you what I would do if I woke up to someone in my house. I always ask myself, would I be coherent or awake enough to remember the combo to my safe and be able to get to my gun? Owning a gun doesn't make you anymore safe than not owning a gun, it just depends on the situation you happen to be in and if you have it at that particular time.
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  • in_hiding79in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    MY husband and I have two guns, one in the nightstand next to our bed and one in a very secret spot somewhere else in the house. WTF is wrong with wanting to protect WHAT IS YOURS?!?!
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • in_hiding79in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    eyedclaar wrote:
    I've been in the presence of about a million idiots who would tell you they are responsible and well-trained, but not by my definition. Like I've said before, at least half of all legal gun owners in this country ought to be pistol-whipped with their own guns.


    Not Me, I'm very well trained and have had a gun since I turned thirteen years old.
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    MY husband and I have two guns, one in the nightstand next to our bed and one in a very secret spot somewhere else in the house. WTF is wrong with wanting to protect WHAT IS YOURS?!?!
    depends on where you live. and if your willing to shoot someone for a tv.
  • in_hiding79in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    Commy wrote:
    depends on where you live. and if your willing to shoot someone for a tv.


    Ummm, you shouldn't be coming into my house taking my nice ass TV that I worked HARD to buy! Your ass will be shot! :D
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Ummm, you shouldn't be coming into my house taking my nice ass TV that I worked HARD to buy! Your ass will be shot! :D
    I need a new tv damnit.
  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    It would be pointless for me to own a gun...I would never be able to pull the trigger and take a life.
    "I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    It would be pointless for me to own a gun...I would never be able to pull the trigger and take a life.
    Well its fun to shoot guns, just not people I suppose. My Uncle let me shoot his AR15, basically an M16, and holy shit. All I can say. Holy shit.
  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    Commy wrote:
    Well its fun to shoot guns, just not people I suppose. My Uncle let me shoot his AR15, basically an M16, and holy shit. All I can say. Holy shit.
    I can understand that, but there still would be no reason for me to own one and have it in my home.
    "I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    MY husband and I have two guns, one in the nightstand next to our bed and one in a very secret spot somewhere else in the house. WTF is wrong with wanting to protect WHAT IS YOURS?!?!

    Don't you know somebody else might NEED it. They might need that money they would get selling to another of their loser friends. Maybe they are hungry. Maybe they need to fuel their crack habit. You should help them... hahahahahahahahahahaha sorry that is as far as I could go trying to keep a straight face and not laugh.

    YES my property is worth more than some scumbag drug addicts life, in fact if someone breaks into my house they deserve what is coming. If they get away with it now what's to stop them from doing it to my neighbor and then what happens if they kill my neighbor when I could have stopped it? I'd feel like it was all my fault.

    No I won't steal. PERIOD.

    Bottom line is if anyone breaks into my house they better have their affairs in order. I will not think twice about eliminating a threat to my personal safety.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    I can understand that, but there still would be no reason for me to own one and have it in my home.
    agreed. I don't own any guns anymore. I had a shotgun and a handgun, but what's the point? I don't hunt anymore, and I could never shoot someone.

    I'm with you.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So what are you going to do if, God forbid, someone breaks into your house with the intent of killing you and raping and killing your wife and daughter?

    Hope you can fight them off if there are more than one? What if there is only one and he has a gun?

    I know at that very moment you would be wishing you still had a gun. Because you would know that you are going to die simply because you can't defend yourself and your family.
  • VinceVince Posts: 174
    Reminds me of this scene from Ghostbusters.

    Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
    Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
    Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
    Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
    Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
    Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
    “Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.”
  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    Vince wrote:
    dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
    OH SHIT!!! I better get a gun! ;)
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  • Vince wrote:
    Reminds me of this scene from Ghostbusters.

    Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
    Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
    Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
    Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
    Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
    Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

    haha, great call on that one. If the Stay-Puft marshmallow man tried to fuck my shit up, I'd put one right in his eye.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    unsung wrote:
    So what are you going to do if, God forbid, someone breaks into your house with the intent of killing you and raping and killing your wife and daughter?

    I'd be curious to see some statistics on how likely this is to happen versus how likely it is that someone will break into your house to steal your gun.
    unsung wrote:
    Hope you can fight them off if there are more than one? What if there is only one and he has a gun?

    I know at that very moment you would be wishing you still had a gun. Because you would know that you are going to die simply because you can't defend yourself and your family.

    What if there it only one gun - yours - and he got to it before you did? I know at that very moment you would be wishing you didn't have a gun. Because you would know that you (or your family) are going to die simply because you made the decision to own a gun.

    What if each of you had a gun and he shot you or your family only because he got spooked when he saw your gun?

    I'd be curious to find out how often each of these scenarios happen versus how often your movie scene does.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Vince wrote:
    Reminds me of this scene from Ghostbusters.

    Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
    Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
    Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
    Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
    Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
    Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
    oh snap ;)

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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    During the LA riots the only stores not looted and burned were the stores owned by Korean-Americans who simply showed that they had firearms and would use them if necessary. They didnt have to shoot anyone because even an idiot mob would rather rob the store next door with no guns shooting at them than risk getting shot. I'd rather be like the Korean store owners but that's just my opinion.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    scb wrote:
    I'd be curious to see some statistics on how likely this is to happen versus how likely it is that someone will break into your house to steal your gun.


    What if there it only one gun - yours - and he got to it before you did? I know at that very moment you would be wishing you didn't have a gun. Because you would know that you (or your family) are going to die simply because you made the decision to own a gun.

    What if each of you had a gun and he shot you or your family only because he got spooked when he saw your gun?

    I'd be curious to find out how often each of these scenarios happen versus how often your movie scene does.

    Exactly.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ummm, you shouldn't be coming into my house taking my nice ass TV that I worked HARD to buy! Your ass will be shot! :D

    you better shoot my arse dead then girl cause if you dont i will beat skinny arse to a pulp. :D
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    During the LA riots the only stores not looted and burned were the stores owned by Korean-Americans who simply showed that they had firearms and would use them if necessary. They didnt have to shoot anyone because even an idiot mob would rather rob the store next door with no guns shooting at them than risk getting shot. I'd rather be like the Korean store owners but that's just my opinion.

    what LA riots did you read about? :confused: its ok i know you wont read it but here goes anyway

    http://www.asiasource.org/news/at_mp_02.cfm?newsid=79441
    Ten years ago, Los Angeles, home to the largest Korean population outside of Korea, was overtaken by some of the worst scenes of civil unrest in recent history. Amidst the chaos, the Korean community became a prime target of violence as the riots revealed deep-seated racial tensions in one of the most multi-ethnic cities in America. This special report seeks to examine how the Korean-American community has been impacted by the LA riots and what efforts have been made to improve race relations in the area.

    Hardest hit were the Korean small-business owners who owned shops in South Central LA and neighboring Koreatown. The residents of South Central, a mostly black neighborhood, long plagued by decades of unemployment, poverty, police brutality and lack of community development, struck out at their more entrepreneurial and successful Korean neighbors. The number of Korean-owned businesses in the area had consistently been growing, leading to a perceived sense of marginalization in the black community. Cultural and linguistic differences, as well as a highly publicized case of a Korean grocer shooting a young black girl, all fueled the growing tension which set the stage for devastation.

    Some 2,000 Korean-owned businesses were completely destroyed in the riots and an estimated $400 million dollars of damage was done. Other signs reveal that the riots had a long-term impact on the Korean community.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • writersuwritersu Posts: 1,867
    Perfectly said.


    but also, "perfectly sad"..............


    I just can't help but envision this though. In the middle of the night, I hear a noise too late and then have to fumble to unlock my gun, etc.?

    I just think you would have to sleep with one under your bed and then the whole point is too "Escape From NY". Personally, I'd feel a lot safer having my own personal "Snake Plisken" next to me............




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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    dunkman wrote:
    what LA riots did you read about? :confused: its ok i know you wont read it but here goes anyway

    http://www.asiasource.org/news/at_mp_02.cfm?newsid=79441

    I stand corrected! Why wouldnt I read it?
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    I challenge any red-eyed speed freak to try and come into my home and try to rape my wife, my kids, my dogs.

    I got a gun
    I'll shoot
    I got a gun
    I'm safe

    I challenge any street punk savage to try and take my wallet and try to steal my car.

    I got a gun
    I'll shoot
    I got a gun
    I'm safe

    Look a me funny
    I got a gun, I'll shoot

    I'm Safe

    Piss me off
    I got a gun, I'll shoot

    I'm Safe

    He's got a gun too
    I'll shoot

    I'm shot
    I'm dead
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    I challenge any red-eyed speed freak to try and come into my home and try to rape my wife, my kids, my dogs.

    I got a gun
    I'll shoot
    I got a gun
    I'm safe

    I challenge any street punk savage to try and take my wallet and try to steal my car.

    I got a gun
    I'll shoot
    I got a gun
    I'm safe

    Look a me funny
    I got a gun, I'll shoot

    I'm Safe

    Piss me off
    I got a gun, I'll shoot

    I'm Safe

    He's got a gun too
    I'll shoot

    I'm shot
    I'm dead

    With proper training
    and lot's of practice

    I'd still be alive

    Shouldn't have shot
    the gun holding it sideways
    punching as I pull the trigger

    Proper stance
    Center of mass

    I'd still be alive

    :)
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