I'm not defending a criminal. I'm saying he should be punished for stealing via the normal judicary process. I just don't think it should cost him his life.
But how do you know that after he loads up his truck he isn't going to try to force himself upon you? Or harm someone in your family.
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im not defending a criminal. im saying a life, no ones life, is not worth a tv. not mine, not yours and not the thiefs. im not saying theft is right. but there are worse things that happen in this world.
Namely rape and murder. You don't know his intentions. He might think you are good looking enough to do bad things, he might think if you are such a pushover for your plasma tv he can do more and get away with it.
My ex-GF is a police officer. They were responding to an armed robbery at a Walgreens late one night. As they pulled up these two adult men ran out of the store and starting shooting at the police car before they could even put it in park. She returned fire and wounded one of the criminals, the other was chased down and after being told repeatedly to drop his gun he shot at the cops again. They returned fire, killing him and ending the threat.
Now the guy that my ex shot lived. He also sued the police department for police brutality.
I'm guessing there are quite a few in this thread who think he is worth defending and believe that he was actually subject to police brutality.
if you take a weapon to a robbery, that to me says you intend to use it if needed. and thusly you and the situation should be handle in accordance with that. if you shoot at a cop then you are a fucking idiot. i do not agree this robber was subjected to police brutality, the police were not only doing their job, but returning fire in self defense and he should actually be thanking your ex for showing some restraint.
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if you take a weapon to a robbery, that to me says you intend to use it if needed. and thusly you and the situation should be handle in accordance with that. if you shoot at a cop then you are a fucking idiot. i do not agree this robber was subjected to police brutality, the police were not only doing their job, but returning fire in self defense and he should actually be thanking your ex for showing some restraint.
Then how do you know he isn't going to have a gun when he breaks into your house? Are you going to pat him down first? Run some background checks?
C'mon face reality. I'm guessing it wouldn't be the first house they broke into and I'm also willing to guess that they have a backup plan in case some homeowner comes out with a baseball bat or something more deadly.
If you come out armed and show that you mean business the intruder is most likely going to run off, or come at you. Either way the threat would be over if you are armed.
Namely rape and murder. You don't know his intentions. He might think you are good looking enough to do bad things, he might think if you are such a pushover for your plasma tv he can do more and get away with it.
The point is you don't want to find out.
yes, youre correct rape and murder are worse than losing your big screen plasma.
in my experience when a robber enters your home with the intent of stealing shit, thats what he will do. if hes a violent offender and feels the need to come find you before lifting your plasma through the patio doors then chances are youll be bound and gagged before you even realise he is in the house and that nicely cleaned and maintained weapon is useless. unless he finds it and uses it on you.
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My ex-GF is a police officer. They were responding to an armed robbery at a Walgreens late one night. As they pulled up these two adult men ran out of the store and starting shooting at the police car before they could even put it in park. She returned fire and wounded one of the criminals, the other was chased down and after being told repeatedly to drop his gun he shot at the cops again. They returned fire, killing him and ending the threat.
Now the guy that my ex shot lived. He also sued the police department for police brutality.
I'm guessing there are quite a few in this thread who think he is worth defending and believe that he was actually subject to police brutality.
Wait. They were responding to an armed robbery. He started shooting at the police officers first. They continued shooting after repeated requests to stop.
I'm really struggling to get the connection with someone breaking into your home to steal a TV here. A lot of the people in this thread are horrified that people are saying they would shoot someones brains out because they were stealing a TV. Not because they were being fired at or threatened. Stealing a TV.
Then how do you know he isn't going to have a gun when he breaks into your house? Are you going to pat him down first? Run some background checks?
C'mon face reality. I'm guessing it wouldn't be the first house they broke into and I'm also willing to guess that they have a backup plan in case some homeowner comes out with a baseball bat or something more deadly.
If you come out armed and show that you mean business the intruder is most likely going to run off, or come at you. Either way the threat would be over if you are armed.
we live in different worlds im afraid. and point is moot anyway, my government wont allow the populace weapons except by special circumstance.
youre doing an awful lot of guessing and supposition, you know. but then again i am too. but what i do know is ONLY if the lives of my children are at risk will i deliberately cause harm to another person. i dont need a gun to do that. ive been in situations where if you make enough noise, someone who doesnt belong in your home willl run away.
id also be interested in the percentage of robberies that happen when the occupants are home as opposed to those committed when the occupants are elsewhere.
anyhoo whatever... i have more than enough confidence in myself that i can assess and take control of a situation without anyone getting shot. well just have to agree to disagree on this.
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well thats because no pro-gun person ever responds to posts like this:-
in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...
in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms
now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!
we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!
you can clearly see you have a major problem with guns in your country... posting figures about other countries will always actually prove that your country is worse than others.
you cant argue with that. to do so would be both ignorant and futile.
it'd be nice if a pro-gun poster cam on and said 'you know what... we do have a problem, perhaps we should look at this gun problem of ours' instead of just doing an ostrich.
It's that "so that more may live" mentality that leads to a people becoming more easily oppressed. Sure, more people live as a result of hand guns being taken out of the picture, but it's at a much larger cost to the people whose right to bear arms has been stripped.
I might very well someday be a victim of hand gun violence. But, that doesn't scare me into believing that my fellow American citizens should be without a means to protect themselves. That would be very selfish of me.
And it's that kind of selfishness and disregard for fundamental rights that gives more power to the government than it's entitled to.
So, we Americans bear a heavier price for the individual right to take arms when need be, but that price is worth paying considering what is at stake.
People in the UK should especially understand this concept as it wasn't so long ago that they lived under totalitarian rule by way of an absolute monarchy. Yet, the people are so eagerly willing to surrender their ability to defend themselves against unforeseen actions of government.
It's that "so that more may live" mentality that leads to a people becoming more easily oppressed. Sure, more people live as a result of hand guns being taken out of the picture, but it's at a much larger cost to the people whose right to bear arms has been stripped.
I might very well someday be a victim of hand gun violence. But, that doesn't scare me into believing that my fellow American citizens should be without a means to protect themselves. That would be very selfish of me.
And it's that kind of selfishness and disregard for fundamental rights that gives more power to the government than it's entitled to.
So, we Americans bear a heavier price for the individual right to take arms when need be, but that price is worth paying considering what is at stake.
People in the UK should especially understand this concept as it wasn't so long ago that they lived under totalitarian rule by way of an absolute monarchy. Yet, the people are so eagerly willing to surrender their ability to defend themselves against unforeseen actions of government.
LMFAO!!! you have got to be kidding me sponger.
and what price would that be may i ask? accidental firearms deaths? needless firearms deaths? the fact that when it comes to 'disputes' your government seems only be able to 'reconcile' at the barrel of a gun? what is this price you speak of? it must be such a responsibility to bear. i dont know how americans manage to cope. :rolleyes:
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So, we Americans bear a heavier price for the individual right to take arms when need be, but that price is worth paying considering what is at stake.
People in the UK should especially understand this concept as it wasn't so long ago that they lived under totalitarian rule by way of an absolute monarchy. Yet, the people are so eagerly willing to surrender their ability to defend themselves against unforeseen actions of government.
so 30,000 deaths per year is a good enough price to bear? and what is at stake? your government will not attack you. dont be so scared of old men in suits. the ordinary soldiers of america would become non-combative if ordered to fight ordinary american citizens... they would dissent.
Absolute monarchy is a monarchical form of government where the king and queen have absolute power over everything... well in that case the uk hasnt been an absolute monarchy for at least 300 years... probably much longer. But unforseen actions of my government? i'm not scared of my government.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
so 30,000 deaths per year is a good enough price to bear? and what is at stake? your government will not attack you. dont be so scared of old men in suits. the ordinary soldiers of america would become non-combative if ordered to fight ordinary american citizens... they would dissent.
Absolute monarchy is a monarchical form of government where the king and queen have absolute power over everything... well in that case the uk hasnt been an absolute monarchy for at least 300 years... probably much longer. But unforseen actions of my government? i'm not scared of my government.
lets not forget the time the 'absolute monarch' charles I had his head lopped off. fun times fun times.
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Then how do you know he isn't going to have a gun when he breaks into your house? Are you going to pat him down first? Run some background checks?
C'mon face reality. I'm guessing it wouldn't be the first house they broke into and I'm also willing to guess that they have a backup plan in case some homeowner comes out with a baseball bat or something more deadly.
If you come out armed and show that you mean business the intruder is most likely going to run off, or come at you. Either way the threat would be over if you are armed.
How do you know it's not a drunk guy who accidentily entered the wrong house? You don't, shoot now, ask questions later. You might kill your daughter's boyfriend sneeking out of the house.
Let's face reality. Indeed, it's far more likely that burglars will have guns on them in the US than here. They want to steal stuff, but people have guns and want to kill them. So they get guns as well.
Here, like I said before, simply turning on the light or making noise will scare the burglar away. It's logical. You might have called the police, you might be armed, the burglar might be seen. Way too many risks to stick around and kill you.
So here burglars are stopped by putting on lights and making noise. In the US they have to killed.
Funny, isn't it, that the burglars in the US have the same mindset as the possible victims, prepare for the worst i.e. be prepared to kill opposition. It's a cycle of violence.
1. How do you know it's not a drunk guy who accidentily entered the wrong house? You don't, shoot now, ask questions later.
2.You might kill your daughter's boyfriend sneeking out of the house.
1. exactly.. as was the case with me... walked into someone elses house instead of my friends sisters when he was housesitting. I'd be dead because of a simple error.
2. ehhhhh, have to say i dont really have a problem with this one
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
are you anti gun peeps against all guns? what is your stance on hunting type weapons or guns that aren't made specifically to be used on people?
basically yeah. but you know if youve got to hunt to eat then thats ok. but hunting for sport sux. hunting humans sux. and shooting people who break into your house only to steal your plasma tv sux too.
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are you anti gun peeps against all guns? what is your stance on hunting type weapons or guns that aren't made specifically to be used on people?
hunting guns should be strictly regulated with people being on courses, paperwork, etc etc.. i don't really advocate a total ban on guns... more a acknowledgment that there is a problem would do for me, and then hopefully some thinking into trying to alleviate that problem would be a good start.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
hunting guns should be strictly regulated with people being on courses, paperwork, etc etc.. i don't really advocate a total ban on guns... more a acknowledgment that there is a problem would do for me, and then hopefully some thinking into trying to alleviate that problem would be a good start.
The problem is not the type of gun. The failed 'assault' weapons ban proved that. The failed DC handgun ban proved that as well.
Crime is the problem. Low income folks with little education growing up in a culture that glorifies drug use and 'bling', THAT'S the problem.
Banning guns increases crime rates and leaves law abiding citizens defenseless against armed criminals.
The problem is not the type of gun. The failed 'assault' weapons ban proved that. The failed DC handgun ban proved that as well.
Crime is the problem. Low income folks with little education growing up in a culture that glorifies drug use and 'bling', THAT'S the problem.
Banning guns increases crime rates and leaves law abiding citizens defenseless against armed criminals.
what part of 'i don't really advocate a total ban on guns' didnt you get?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I happen to live on a farm. A little over 2000 acres.
I use my guns at least once a week. I have shotguns, several high powered rifles, and several handguns.
We have a German Shepard and a Black Lab that help protect the farmhouse and barns but we still have theft and we still have predators. At various times I have owned livestock.. cattle for beef and cattle for dairy. I have had chickens for eggs and sheep for wool.
If we don't regularly patrol for coyotes we would be over-run with them in less than a year.
Coyotes have also threatened us at night as well as killed our previous dogs. We have tried numerous fences, electric fences, and outdoor lighting.
Everything we try to do to control all predators is directly reflected in the final cost of your food.
Guns are the least expensive means of control as well as protection.
We don't live in fear as much as we use common sense.
the link shows you that most hunting is still ok here in the UK.. its handguns that have been banned.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
the link shows you that most hunting is still ok here in the UK.. its handguns that have been banned.
When I'm on the farm I always have a gun close. In the county we are allowed to carry firearms we just can't take our guns to town unless we display them which is silly in my opinion because non concelled firearms scare people as well as invites thieves to break into your vehicles. So I don't take my guns with me to town.
If you've ever farmed then you would know that farm equipement is usually not a smooth riding machine. Usually when I'm in the field working is when I have to have a gun. It's not always convenient to carry a rifle or shot gun because they are hard to secure on a tractor and have been known to discharge when driving over a particularly rough section of farmland. That's why I carry a pistol. When cleaning out the grain trucks and combines we usually find snakes that have found a home in the equipment. Therefore a handgun is much more relevant than any rifle or shotgun.
so 30,000 deaths per year is a good enough price to bear? and what is at stake? your government will not attack you. dont be so scared of old men in suits. the ordinary soldiers of america would become non-combative if ordered to fight ordinary american citizens... they would dissent.
Absolute monarchy is a monarchical form of government where the king and queen have absolute power over everything... well in that case the uk hasnt been an absolute monarchy for at least 300 years... probably much longer. But unforseen actions of my government? i'm not scared of my government.
My ex-GF is a police officer. They were responding to an armed robbery at a Walgreens late one night. As they pulled up these two adult men ran out of the store and starting shooting at the police car before they could even put it in park. She returned fire and wounded one of the criminals, the other was chased down and after being told repeatedly to drop his gun he shot at the cops again. They returned fire, killing him and ending the threat.
Good, he should have listened to the cops..
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But how do you know that after he loads up his truck he isn't going to try to force himself upon you? Or harm someone in your family.
Namely rape and murder. You don't know his intentions. He might think you are good looking enough to do bad things, he might think if you are such a pushover for your plasma tv he can do more and get away with it.
The point is you don't want to find out.
if you take a weapon to a robbery, that to me says you intend to use it if needed. and thusly you and the situation should be handle in accordance with that. if you shoot at a cop then you are a fucking idiot. i do not agree this robber was subjected to police brutality, the police were not only doing their job, but returning fire in self defense and he should actually be thanking your ex for showing some restraint.
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Then how do you know he isn't going to have a gun when he breaks into your house? Are you going to pat him down first? Run some background checks?
C'mon face reality. I'm guessing it wouldn't be the first house they broke into and I'm also willing to guess that they have a backup plan in case some homeowner comes out with a baseball bat or something more deadly.
If you come out armed and show that you mean business the intruder is most likely going to run off, or come at you. Either way the threat would be over if you are armed.
yes, youre correct rape and murder are worse than losing your big screen plasma.
in my experience when a robber enters your home with the intent of stealing shit, thats what he will do. if hes a violent offender and feels the need to come find you before lifting your plasma through the patio doors then chances are youll be bound and gagged before you even realise he is in the house and that nicely cleaned and maintained weapon is useless. unless he finds it and uses it on you.
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I'm really struggling to get the connection with someone breaking into your home to steal a TV here. A lot of the people in this thread are horrified that people are saying they would shoot someones brains out because they were stealing a TV. Not because they were being fired at or threatened. Stealing a TV.
we live in different worlds im afraid. and point is moot anyway, my government wont allow the populace weapons except by special circumstance.
youre doing an awful lot of guessing and supposition, you know. but then again i am too. but what i do know is ONLY if the lives of my children are at risk will i deliberately cause harm to another person. i dont need a gun to do that. ive been in situations where if you make enough noise, someone who doesnt belong in your home willl run away.
id also be interested in the percentage of robberies that happen when the occupants are home as opposed to those committed when the occupants are elsewhere.
anyhoo whatever... i have more than enough confidence in myself that i can assess and take control of a situation without anyone getting shot. well just have to agree to disagree on this.
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It's that "so that more may live" mentality that leads to a people becoming more easily oppressed. Sure, more people live as a result of hand guns being taken out of the picture, but it's at a much larger cost to the people whose right to bear arms has been stripped.
I might very well someday be a victim of hand gun violence. But, that doesn't scare me into believing that my fellow American citizens should be without a means to protect themselves. That would be very selfish of me.
And it's that kind of selfishness and disregard for fundamental rights that gives more power to the government than it's entitled to.
So, we Americans bear a heavier price for the individual right to take arms when need be, but that price is worth paying considering what is at stake.
People in the UK should especially understand this concept as it wasn't so long ago that they lived under totalitarian rule by way of an absolute monarchy. Yet, the people are so eagerly willing to surrender their ability to defend themselves against unforeseen actions of government.
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LMFAO!!! you have got to be kidding me sponger.
and what price would that be may i ask? accidental firearms deaths? needless firearms deaths? the fact that when it comes to 'disputes' your government seems only be able to 'reconcile' at the barrel of a gun? what is this price you speak of? it must be such a responsibility to bear. i dont know how americans manage to cope. :rolleyes:
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so 30,000 deaths per year is a good enough price to bear? and what is at stake? your government will not attack you. dont be so scared of old men in suits. the ordinary soldiers of america would become non-combative if ordered to fight ordinary american citizens... they would dissent.
Absolute monarchy is a monarchical form of government where the king and queen have absolute power over everything... well in that case the uk hasnt been an absolute monarchy for at least 300 years... probably much longer. But unforseen actions of my government? i'm not scared of my government.
lets not forget the time the 'absolute monarch' charles I had his head lopped off. fun times fun times.
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How do you know it's not a drunk guy who accidentily entered the wrong house? You don't, shoot now, ask questions later. You might kill your daughter's boyfriend sneeking out of the house.
Let's face reality. Indeed, it's far more likely that burglars will have guns on them in the US than here. They want to steal stuff, but people have guns and want to kill them. So they get guns as well.
Here, like I said before, simply turning on the light or making noise will scare the burglar away. It's logical. You might have called the police, you might be armed, the burglar might be seen. Way too many risks to stick around and kill you.
So here burglars are stopped by putting on lights and making noise. In the US they have to killed.
Funny, isn't it, that the burglars in the US have the same mindset as the possible victims, prepare for the worst i.e. be prepared to kill opposition. It's a cycle of violence.
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1. exactly.. as was the case with me... walked into someone elses house instead of my friends sisters when he was housesitting. I'd be dead because of a simple error.
2. ehhhhh, have to say i dont really have a problem with this one
basically yeah. but you know if youve got to hunt to eat then thats ok. but hunting for sport sux. hunting humans sux. and shooting people who break into your house only to steal your plasma tv sux too.
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hunting guns should be strictly regulated with people being on courses, paperwork, etc etc.. i don't really advocate a total ban on guns... more a acknowledgment that there is a problem would do for me, and then hopefully some thinking into trying to alleviate that problem would be a good start.
The problem is not the type of gun. The failed 'assault' weapons ban proved that. The failed DC handgun ban proved that as well.
Crime is the problem. Low income folks with little education growing up in a culture that glorifies drug use and 'bling', THAT'S the problem.
Banning guns increases crime rates and leaves law abiding citizens defenseless against armed criminals.
what part of 'i don't really advocate a total ban on guns' didnt you get?
I use my guns at least once a week. I have shotguns, several high powered rifles, and several handguns.
We have a German Shepard and a Black Lab that help protect the farmhouse and barns but we still have theft and we still have predators. At various times I have owned livestock.. cattle for beef and cattle for dairy. I have had chickens for eggs and sheep for wool.
If we don't regularly patrol for coyotes we would be over-run with them in less than a year.
Coyotes have also threatened us at night as well as killed our previous dogs. We have tried numerous fences, electric fences, and outdoor lighting.
Everything we try to do to control all predators is directly reflected in the final cost of your food.
Guns are the least expensive means of control as well as protection.
We don't live in fear as much as we use common sense.
yeah i believe so... rigid checks are carried out and various licences needed.
not predators per se... foxes, dogs bothering sheep, that kind of thing really... thats why farmers have them here.
http://www.basc.org.uk/content/shootingintheuk
the link shows you that most hunting is still ok here in the UK.. its handguns that have been banned.
When I'm on the farm I always have a gun close. In the county we are allowed to carry firearms we just can't take our guns to town unless we display them which is silly in my opinion because non concelled firearms scare people as well as invites thieves to break into your vehicles. So I don't take my guns with me to town.
If you've ever farmed then you would know that farm equipement is usually not a smooth riding machine. Usually when I'm in the field working is when I have to have a gun. It's not always convenient to carry a rifle or shot gun because they are hard to secure on a tractor and have been known to discharge when driving over a particularly rough section of farmland. That's why I carry a pistol. When cleaning out the grain trucks and combines we usually find snakes that have found a home in the equipment. Therefore a handgun is much more relevant than any rifle or shotgun.
Thank Jeebus you live in Scotland.
I love my country and my right to own firearms! I am going to buy a gun this Friday in your honor. I'm not kidding. http://www.shootingusa.com/TV_SCHEDULE/SHOW_27-14/23.S_W_M_P_.45L.jpg I'll have it by Sunday afternoon!
Thanks for inspiring me!
So you support a semi-ban on guns? What does 'total ban' mean?
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What's your point?
Just because you are within your rights to take someone's life doesn't mean you should do it.
really, guns have been designed for one purpose. Someone in inner city LA has no need of a gun.
A farmer in Montana probably does.
Good, he should have listened to the cops..
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