thats fine. i wonder why you put book in " " really.
and martial law has very little to do with the book im writing. it was just me trying to find out a few things ( as most writers do so what they are writing can be easily digested and easy to believe ) about martial law. it was the things that i was told that made me think way different about it.
so i have been answering questions that i never intended to have to answer.
my question to you is why the "book" ?
its as if you dont believe im writing a book or something.
anyone here who knows me knows i am a writer, and knows ive been working on this book for at least the last 6 months.
Dude.. you are looking for a fight where there is none.. if you are writing a "book".. that is awesome.. although your original post posed the question as you were discussing this matter with buddies over the weekend.. REGARDLESS.. all I am saying is I think it is a bit sad when people become so consumed with crazy ass ideas such as martial law being declared due to the credit crisis that they lose sight of the important things in life..
such as the beautiful fall colors that are changing right now.. the gorgeous sunset that had the most spectacular shades of red.. ya know things in life.. things that will still be occouring with or without martial law.. you cant save up on life!
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then why for the first time in the history of the united states, does the president now have the ability to declare martial law all on his/her own.
he would need no support to do so now. that is scary to me.
along with all the shit that came with the patriot act. we are fast becoming a place that it could happen. and for any reason the president sees fit.
well then looks like your idiot leader has got a little time up his sleeve to declare this martial law, doesnt it. im thinking maybe sometime between halloween and voting day.
can you imagine georgie thinking of something like enacting martial law by himself? which i know isnt the way its done. someone will have a quiet word in his ear and before you know it for the good of the country, the national guard will occupy every corner and hard working americans will be shot on sight just cause....its martial law.
this is my "scary-as-hell" scenario. who allowed the president such power?
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What do you do if there are three of them? Flip a coin? Negotiate?
see the pokey tongue and the big smilie face? that means i wasnt serious. :rolleyes:
anways if there were 3 of them, one of them would have already taken out the biggest threat(YOU) by punching you in the face whilst you slept before hogtie-ing you in another room BEFORE you were able to grab your weapon of choice.
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Dude.. you are looking for a fight where there is none.. if you are writing a "book".. that is awesome.. although your original post posed the question as you were discussing this matter with buddies over the weekend.. REGARDLESS.. all I am saying is I think it is a bit sad when people become so consumed with crazy ass ideas such as martial law being declared due to the credit crisis that they lose sight of the important things in life..
such as the beautiful fall colors that are changing right now.. the gorgeous sunset that had the most spectacular shades of red.. ya know things in life.. things that will still be occouring with or without martial law.. you cant save up on life!
im not looking for a fight at all calm down. ive been blasted over and over here, and unlike most have stood with it, i think that the fact that you put book in quotes and asking you why you did so is a valid question.
as far as becoming "consumed with crazy ass ideas such as martial law"
im not. i was trying to discuss it. i have a friend in the military. and you can do your reserch on this all on your own if you want. he is now on active duty INSIDE the united states. this is the first time a unit has ever been on active duty as a unit inside the united states. i asked him why.
he said, " man, you know i cant answer that. lets just say, we are here and on active duty if we are needed". you can look that up. why do we need an active duty unit here in the U.S.? one that just got back from Iraq.
this is the same guy that told me where in Iraq he was going, even though he wasnt supposed to tell me, but now, he cant tell me anything.
as far as enjoying the fall, i took my dogs to the park today for 4 hours and played with them while watching kids play football. im not consumed. im just trying to be aware of what is going on.
this is ( other than the bar/grill i was at with friends ) the only place i have even brought this up. that and the 4 people that i run ideas by as far as what im writing.
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"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
then why for the first time in the history of the united states, does the president now have the ability to declare martial law all on his/her own.
he would need no support to do so now. that is scary to me.
along with all the shit that came with the patriot act. we are fast becoming a place that it could happen. and for any reason the president sees fit.
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Because... from 2000 to 2006 there was a Republican controlled House of Representatives... a Republican controlled Senate... and a Republican President. The Wars Power Act of 2003 relenquished War Powers to the President... for going to War with Iraq, only... not for all wars. The Checks and Balances that is the foundation of our Constitution was ignored as more and more power was given to the President. This was dangerous... and remains dangerous. One person should NOT have that much power.
'The Patriot Act' was a panic response to September 11, 2001. Those directives need to be reviewed and NOT extended.
Sure... we need to protect ourselves from the monsters that want to kill us. but, we must NEVER become the monster, ourselves. When we do... we lose to the terrorists.
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im not looking for a fight at all calm down. ive been blasted over and over here, and unlike most have stood with it, i think that the fact that you put book in quotes and asking you why you did so is a valid question.
as far as becoming "consumed with crazy ass ideas such as martial law"
im not. i was trying to discuss it. i have a friend in the military. and you can do your reserch on this all on your own if you want. he is now on active duty INSIDE the united states. this is the first time a unit has ever been on active duty as a unit inside the united states. i asked him why.
he said, " man, you know i cant answer that. lets just say, we are here and on active duty if we are needed". you can look that up. why do we need an active duty unit here in the U.S.? one that just got back from Iraq.
this is the same guy that told me where in Iraq he was going, even though he wasnt supposed to tell me, but now, he cant tell me anything.
as far as enjoying the fall, i took my dogs to the park today for 4 hours and played with them while watching kids play football. im not consumed. im just trying to be aware of what is going on.
this is ( other than the bar/grill i was at with friends ) the only place i have even brought this up. that and the 4 people that i run ideas by as far as what im writing.
active duty. is that like on stand by just in case another hurricane hits. that type of thing? or would the hurricane have to be on its way BEFORE he was called into active duty? oh wait thats the national guard isnt it?
so this mate of yours is in the real military? could it be he might be redeployed to afghanistan and thats why hes on active duty?
it is interesting nonetheless.
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If someone is in your house are you going to take the chance that they don't go and rape your 15 year old daughter or wife? How would you deal with it?
The point is they may come in for a DVD player but the threat is there to do more. I choose to end that threat and save my family.
Killing to protect your family from physical harm can't be compared to killing to protect your property.
As I said before, I used to have a gun - to protect myself from being raped and murdered. And if someone broke into my house for some food or a DVD player, I would probably be so frightened that I would shoot them. And that's why I got rid of my gun. I don't want to kill anyone, particularly when they probably came just for my property and not to harm me.
A good friend of mine has a son who's a good guy and a father, but got messed up with drugs for awhile. One time he was high and needed money, so when he saw an open window in a house he stupidly decided he should climb in and get some money. He scared the shit out of the couple living there, and they held him at gunpoint until the police arrived. He never in a million years would have harmed them. He's now clean and back to being a great father, son, and member of society. God forbid he had climbed into my house when I had my gun, because I would probably have panicked and shot a harmless, unarmed man - my friend's son even. Regardless of legal rights, I couldn't live with myself if that happened. It's very sad to me that some people place such little value on life that they could.
im not looking for a fight at all calm down. ive been blasted over and over here, and unlike most have stood with it, i think that the fact that you put book in quotes and asking you why you did so is a valid question.
as far as becoming "consumed with crazy ass ideas such as martial law"
im not. i was trying to discuss it. i have a friend in the military. and you can do your reserch on this all on your own if you want. he is now on active duty INSIDE the united states. this is the first time a unit has ever been on active duty as a unit inside the united states. i asked him why.
he said, " man, you know i cant answer that. lets just say, we are here and on active duty if we are needed". you can look that up. why do we need an active duty unit here in the U.S.? one that just got back from Iraq.
this is the same guy that told me where in Iraq he was going, even though he wasnt supposed to tell me, but now, he cant tell me anything.
as far as enjoying the fall, i took my dogs to the park today for 4 hours and played with them while watching kids play football. im not consumed. im just trying to be aware of what is going on.
this is ( other than the bar/grill i was at with friends ) the only place i have even brought this up. that and the 4 people that i run ideas by as far as what im writing.
Answer me this..
Everything I hear is that military troop levels are at all time lows.. recruiting levels suck.. there were not even enough National Guard to help with the hurricanes that hit the coast last month.. knowing all this.. do you honestly think the government.. hell even CITY governments, local law enforcement.. do you honestly think they have enough personnel to declare martial law in America? My neighbor is a state patrol officer.. after talking to him last weekend, as he just got off his 14 hr shift he told me they are at the lowest staff they have ever had.. due to budget cuts. The state cannot afford to keep patrol officers. Sorry.. I just dont see it as a possibility of martial law being declared in the United States.
But then again.. just my opinion.
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active duty. is that like on stand by just in case another hurricane hits. that type of thing? or would the hurricane have to be on its way BEFORE he was called into active duty? oh wait thats the national guard isnt it?
so this mate of yours is in the real military? could it be he might be redeployed to afghanistan and thats why hes on active duty?
it is interesting nonetheless.
if you read this you will get the Army's offical stance on this.
no matter the reason, its still the first time EVER that this has happened.
im not just making this shit up. im just saying what we are being told is maybe not the full truth. i actually have two friends in this unit.
one is very unhappy with his new assignment. thats all he would say about it.
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"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
do you honestly think they have enough personnel to declare martial law in America? My neighbor is a state patrol officer.. after talking to him last weekend, as he just got off his 14 hr shift he told me they are at the lowest staff they have ever had.. due to budget cuts. The state cannot afford to keep patrol officers. Sorry.. I just dont see it as a possibility of martial law being declared in the United States.
But then again.. just my opinion.
I mentioned my same concern in an earlier post. All the essential services personnel are already working insane hours under difficult conditions. Where's all the extra man power going to come from. It's just not there.
I mentioned my same concern in an earlier post. All the essential services personnel are already working insane hours under difficult conditions. Where's all the extra man power going to come from. It's just not there.
im not just making this shit up. im just saying what we are being told is maybe not the full truth. i actually have two friends in this unit.
one is very unhappy with his new assignment. thats all he would say about it.
please dont think that i think youre making all this up. i dont. like you im trying to make sense of it. but unlike you im trying to do so from a distance.
this bit is interesting: They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
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please dont think that i think youre making all this up. i dont. like you im trying to make sense of it. but unlike you im trying to do so from a distance.
this bit is interesting: They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
thank you for at least reading it. im not saying the sky is falling here. this all started as a "what if question" and got blown way overboard. i then felt the need to defend my OP. which then led to me saying why i defend it blah blah blah. i really feel like im catching shit for asking a "what if question"
im not sayin i believe we have ML. but i HAVE researched it for my book. and what i found was shocking... at least to me. and then this happened with our troops, two of which are close friends of mine, and they cant comment on it to me. i find ............odd is all.
thats all i was trying to say the whole time.
you can all put your torches down now.
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"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.
What's wrong with that? Isn't that the sensible thing to do. We need to be prepared for anything that can happen. Of course they should maintain focus and train for any possible events. What do you suggest they do when they come home from Iraq. Have a permanent vacation till we decide it's time we should fuck with some other country? Or how about they go build their own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers? Maybe that would suit you better. No cause for hysteria then!
Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved
What a good idea. Again, let's get hysterical about this too. An earthquake is coming an earthquake is coming! You get my point.
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
They may be called upon..... What a surprise, we have the crappiest foreign policies going around and the rest of the world basically hate our guts, and some of you people are sitting here acting all surprised that we would even attempt to have extra resources available to manage the situation in the event that one of this things may happen. That's just common sense.
“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
Thank you Col Cloutier, it makes me feel good too.
In all fairness, I spent a big chunk of my childhood living on a military base, and I never felt as though my rights were in danger of being violated. In fact, I got a lot more respect and common courtesy from the base MP's than I did from the black & whites.
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I believe we may be bearing witness to the decline of America as the world's leading Super Power. I also believe that History will record that this place and time is when we lost our grasp and the power of China rose to take our place.
Is it the end of America? NO. Remember, it wasn't all that long ago when Britania was the world's greatest Super Power. Did they disappear? NO. They remain a great country that enjoys Freedom and Democracy (they just need to let go of that bullshit figurehead Monarchy they got that the old guard is clinging to).
We have no one to blame but ourselves. Our greed and arrogance is our downfall. We were given a once in a lifetime opportunity to solidify our place as the World's Leader... a benevolent, caring Super Power who had more friends than enemies... but, we squandered it with our arrogance and self-righteousness. We **should** have... could have lead the world... but we decided to go it alone and lost the respect of both friends and enemies along the way. America has lost her way and we need to get her back on track. We may not be the leader in the future... but, it will not be the end of America... unless we let our arrogance destroy us.
what a post!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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anways if there were 3 of them, one of them would have already taken out the biggest threat(YOU) by punching you in the face whilst you slept before hogtie-ing you in another room BEFORE you were able to grab your weapon of choice.
Only IF they can get by the Rottweilers without them barking, highly doubtful that would happen though since they sleep on the floor next to the bed.
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Wow. So are you saying you would kill for your family but you wouldn't steal food for them if it came to that? And if you did, you should be killed?
God forbid he had climbed into my house when I had my gun, because I would probably have panicked and shot a harmless, unarmed man - my friend's son even. Regardless of legal rights, I couldn't live with myself if that happened. It's very sad to me that some people place such little value on life that they could.
One, I don't steal. I also know that it would never come to that because I'm set financially. I also have family to turn to if I really needed the help.
You say the guy was harmless, how would I know that? I'm not a mindreader how do I know his intentions? Would I shoot someone immediately? No. I'd also hold them until the police arrive. However if I was threatened by someone who said they were going to kill me or did not stop when I told them to I would use force by whatever I have to use to eliminate the threat.
There is a difference in knocking on someone's door and asking for help as opposed to breaking in at 3AM and taking things from me. I earn what I have and I'm not going to stand by and watch some society sucking leech take that from me.
really? cos in the US alone 4 kids die per day as a result of playing with their daddy's penis... sorry i mean gun.... I say paint them yellow and put them into fruit bowls next to the bananas.. have a wee game with the kids of 'guess which one is the gun?', if they're going to shoot each other they may as well have a game out of it.
'the worst thing you can do'... hmmmm surely the worst thing you can do is leave the gun next to the TV, make them play Grand Theft Auto for 12 hours straight, watch all 3 Rambo movies back to back, give them 4 litres of Red Bull, turn them around 16 times and then point them gun and say 'hey remember that jock at school who gave you a wedgie... go find!!!' I fear that would be worse.
I took my kids up the forest last Sunday, and showed them where fish live, trees grow, had a play on the death slide, ran around in the trees and played some games... you take yours to a gun range? to show them how to kill?
its really no wonder the worlds fucked.. i'm surprised its only 4 kids a day who die..
obviously i did... i clearly refer to it at this point... "I took my kids up the forest last Sunday, and showed them where fish live, trees grow, had a play on the death slide, ran around in the trees and played some games... you take yours to a gun range? to show them how to kill?"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Sigmund Freud: America is a mistake, admittedly a gigantic mistake, but a mistake nevertheless.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner:
Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis theory of gun ownership.
Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I did not read others posts but I am 100% sure that many in here are against guns. I own three.
I rather have them and not need them, then need them and not have them. When I lived in Atlantic City before I was married I had some serious shit go down in my back yard with the cops and some thugs so right after that I bought my first one. Then, after being married a man broke into my home and was hiding in it when my wife came home. I was at the gym. Thank god she left shortly after and he only stole a few things and ran out. After that I bought another. The other is one I bought b/c I like it.
Its not gonna happen again to me or my family.
You bought a gun to protect yourself and your family. You were at the gym while someone could have killed or raped your wife and taken all your stuff. You were completely powerless even though you owned a gun. The situation would have been exactly the same if you had two or three guns at the time.
So you can say it's not going to happen to you and your family again, but we all know that's based on wishful thinking instead of reality. You have no control over such things, no one does.
One, I don't steal. I also know that it would never come to that because I'm set financially. I also have family to turn to if I really needed the help.
I said if it came to that. Saying it would never come to that is not an answer.
I'll ask again: Would you steal food to keep your family from starving if it came to that?
If not, I dont' buy your whole "I'll do what I have to do to protect my family" line. If so, how can you find fault in someone else who does the same thing?
You say the guy was harmless, how would I know that? I'm not a mindreader how do I know his intentions? Would I shoot someone immediately? No. I'd also hold them until the police arrive. However if I was threatened by someone who said they were going to kill me or did not stop when I told them to I would use force by whatever I have to use to eliminate the threat.
There is a difference in knocking on someone's door and asking for help as opposed to breaking in at 3AM and taking things from me. I earn what I have and I'm not going to stand by and watch some society sucking leech take that from me.
I understand what you're saying and I know that it's easy to feel that way. I choose to not kill people against their will, and particularly to not set myself up to kill someone who is not a threat. I guess we just disagree about that.
But the part I find sick - and this is outside the issue of protection - is your assertion that property is more valuable than life. I know this is the American Way, but I think it represents everything that is wrong with the world.
My buddy is a cop, he just told me that their is a brigade in the military that will never deploy because their job is to be ready for martial law. He said he doubts it would happen but they have a contingency plan in place if it did.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
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My buddy is a cop, he just told me that their is a brigade in the military that will never deploy because their job is to be ready for martial law. He said he doubts it would happen but they have a contingency plan in place if it did.
thank you. this is all i was saying. this is the first time in history we have things in place like this.
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"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
You bought a gun to protect yourself and your family. You were at the gym while someone could have killed or raped your wife and taken all your stuff. You were completely powerless even though you owned a gun. The situation would have been exactly the same if you had two or three guns at the time.
So you can say it's not going to happen to you and your family again, but we all know that's based on wishful thinking instead of reality. You have no control over such things, no one does.
My wife now knows how to use one first of all. And second that is a stupid reason not to own a gun. Don't own one because you might not be their to use it? Dumb.
And if it did ever happen again, and I was home, my family would be protected.
Screw me once, its your fault.
Screw me twice, its mine.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
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Punch them in the face? Are you serious?
What do you do if there are three of them? Flip a coin? Negotiate?
Dude.. you are looking for a fight where there is none.. if you are writing a "book".. that is awesome.. although your original post posed the question as you were discussing this matter with buddies over the weekend.. REGARDLESS.. all I am saying is I think it is a bit sad when people become so consumed with crazy ass ideas such as martial law being declared due to the credit crisis that they lose sight of the important things in life..
such as the beautiful fall colors that are changing right now.. the gorgeous sunset that had the most spectacular shades of red.. ya know things in life.. things that will still be occouring with or without martial law.. you cant save up on life!
As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but together we make a mighty fist ~ Sitting Bull
well then looks like your idiot leader has got a little time up his sleeve to declare this martial law, doesnt it. im thinking maybe sometime between halloween and voting day.
can you imagine georgie thinking of something like enacting martial law by himself? which i know isnt the way its done. someone will have a quiet word in his ear and before you know it for the good of the country, the national guard will occupy every corner and hard working americans will be shot on sight just cause....its martial law.
this is my "scary-as-hell" scenario. who allowed the president such power?
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see the pokey tongue and the big smilie face? that means i wasnt serious. :rolleyes:
anways if there were 3 of them, one of them would have already taken out the biggest threat(YOU) by punching you in the face whilst you slept before hogtie-ing you in another room BEFORE you were able to grab your weapon of choice.
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im not looking for a fight at all calm down. ive been blasted over and over here, and unlike most have stood with it, i think that the fact that you put book in quotes and asking you why you did so is a valid question.
as far as becoming "consumed with crazy ass ideas such as martial law"
im not. i was trying to discuss it. i have a friend in the military. and you can do your reserch on this all on your own if you want. he is now on active duty INSIDE the united states. this is the first time a unit has ever been on active duty as a unit inside the united states. i asked him why.
he said, " man, you know i cant answer that. lets just say, we are here and on active duty if we are needed". you can look that up. why do we need an active duty unit here in the U.S.? one that just got back from Iraq.
this is the same guy that told me where in Iraq he was going, even though he wasnt supposed to tell me, but now, he cant tell me anything.
as far as enjoying the fall, i took my dogs to the park today for 4 hours and played with them while watching kids play football. im not consumed. im just trying to be aware of what is going on.
this is ( other than the bar/grill i was at with friends ) the only place i have even brought this up. that and the 4 people that i run ideas by as far as what im writing.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Because... from 2000 to 2006 there was a Republican controlled House of Representatives... a Republican controlled Senate... and a Republican President. The Wars Power Act of 2003 relenquished War Powers to the President... for going to War with Iraq, only... not for all wars. The Checks and Balances that is the foundation of our Constitution was ignored as more and more power was given to the President. This was dangerous... and remains dangerous. One person should NOT have that much power.
'The Patriot Act' was a panic response to September 11, 2001. Those directives need to be reviewed and NOT extended.
Sure... we need to protect ourselves from the monsters that want to kill us. but, we must NEVER become the monster, ourselves. When we do... we lose to the terrorists.
Hail, Hail!!!
active duty. is that like on stand by just in case another hurricane hits. that type of thing? or would the hurricane have to be on its way BEFORE he was called into active duty? oh wait thats the national guard isnt it?
so this mate of yours is in the real military? could it be he might be redeployed to afghanistan and thats why hes on active duty?
it is interesting nonetheless.
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Wow. So are you saying you would kill for your family but you wouldn't steal food for them if it came to that? And if you did, you should be killed?
Killing to protect your family from physical harm can't be compared to killing to protect your property.
As I said before, I used to have a gun - to protect myself from being raped and murdered. And if someone broke into my house for some food or a DVD player, I would probably be so frightened that I would shoot them. And that's why I got rid of my gun. I don't want to kill anyone, particularly when they probably came just for my property and not to harm me.
A good friend of mine has a son who's a good guy and a father, but got messed up with drugs for awhile. One time he was high and needed money, so when he saw an open window in a house he stupidly decided he should climb in and get some money. He scared the shit out of the couple living there, and they held him at gunpoint until the police arrived. He never in a million years would have harmed them. He's now clean and back to being a great father, son, and member of society. God forbid he had climbed into my house when I had my gun, because I would probably have panicked and shot a harmless, unarmed man - my friend's son even. Regardless of legal rights, I couldn't live with myself if that happened. It's very sad to me that some people place such little value on life that they could.
Answer me this..
Everything I hear is that military troop levels are at all time lows.. recruiting levels suck.. there were not even enough National Guard to help with the hurricanes that hit the coast last month.. knowing all this.. do you honestly think the government.. hell even CITY governments, local law enforcement.. do you honestly think they have enough personnel to declare martial law in America? My neighbor is a state patrol officer.. after talking to him last weekend, as he just got off his 14 hr shift he told me they are at the lowest staff they have ever had.. due to budget cuts. The state cannot afford to keep patrol officers. Sorry.. I just dont see it as a possibility of martial law being declared in the United States.
But then again.. just my opinion.
As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but together we make a mighty fist ~ Sitting Bull
if you read this you will get the Army's offical stance on this.
no matter the reason, its still the first time EVER that this has happened.
this comes from the Army times.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
im not just making this shit up. im just saying what we are being told is maybe not the full truth. i actually have two friends in this unit.
one is very unhappy with his new assignment. thats all he would say about it.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
read this ! Please !! its from the Army Times ! i have two friends that are in this brigade!
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
please dont think that i think youre making all this up. i dont. like you im trying to make sense of it. but unlike you im trying to do so from a distance.
this bit is interesting:
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
thank you for at least reading it. im not saying the sky is falling here. this all started as a "what if question" and got blown way overboard. i then felt the need to defend my OP. which then led to me saying why i defend it blah blah blah. i really feel like im catching shit for asking a "what if question"
im not sayin i believe we have ML. but i HAVE researched it for my book. and what i found was shocking... at least to me. and then this happened with our troops, two of which are close friends of mine, and they cant comment on it to me. i find ............odd is all.
thats all i was trying to say the whole time.
you can all put your torches down now.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
What's wrong with that? Isn't that the sensible thing to do. We need to be prepared for anything that can happen. Of course they should maintain focus and train for any possible events. What do you suggest they do when they come home from Iraq. Have a permanent vacation till we decide it's time we should fuck with some other country? Or how about they go build their own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers? Maybe that would suit you better. No cause for hysteria then!
Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved
What a good idea. Again, let's get hysterical about this too. An earthquake is coming an earthquake is coming! You get my point.
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
They may be called upon..... What a surprise, we have the crappiest foreign policies going around and the rest of the world basically hate our guts, and some of you people are sitting here acting all surprised that we would even attempt to have extra resources available to manage the situation in the event that one of this things may happen. That's just common sense.
“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
Thank you Col Cloutier, it makes me feel good too.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
what a post!
Only IF they can get by the Rottweilers without them barking, highly doubtful that would happen though since they sleep on the floor next to the bed.
One, I don't steal. I also know that it would never come to that because I'm set financially. I also have family to turn to if I really needed the help.
You say the guy was harmless, how would I know that? I'm not a mindreader how do I know his intentions? Would I shoot someone immediately? No. I'd also hold them until the police arrive. However if I was threatened by someone who said they were going to kill me or did not stop when I told them to I would use force by whatever I have to use to eliminate the threat.
There is a difference in knocking on someone's door and asking for help as opposed to breaking in at 3AM and taking things from me. I earn what I have and I'm not going to stand by and watch some society sucking leech take that from me.
So I take it you didn't read the rest of my post.
Great!
Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Awesomeness.
obviously i did... i clearly refer to it at this point... "I took my kids up the forest last Sunday, and showed them where fish live, trees grow, had a play on the death slide, ran around in the trees and played some games... you take yours to a gun range? to show them how to kill?"
Sigmund Freud: America is a mistake, admittedly a gigantic mistake, but a mistake nevertheless.
This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner:
Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis theory of gun ownership.
Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages
You bought a gun to protect yourself and your family. You were at the gym while someone could have killed or raped your wife and taken all your stuff. You were completely powerless even though you owned a gun. The situation would have been exactly the same if you had two or three guns at the time.
So you can say it's not going to happen to you and your family again, but we all know that's based on wishful thinking instead of reality. You have no control over such things, no one does.
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I said if it came to that. Saying it would never come to that is not an answer.
I'll ask again: Would you steal food to keep your family from starving if it came to that?
If not, I dont' buy your whole "I'll do what I have to do to protect my family" line. If so, how can you find fault in someone else who does the same thing?
I understand what you're saying and I know that it's easy to feel that way. I choose to not kill people against their will, and particularly to not set myself up to kill someone who is not a threat. I guess we just disagree about that.
But the part I find sick - and this is outside the issue of protection - is your assertion that property is more valuable than life. I know this is the American Way, but I think it represents everything that is wrong with the world.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
thank you. this is all i was saying. this is the first time in history we have things in place like this.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
And if it did ever happen again, and I was home, my family would be protected.
Screw me once, its your fault.
Screw me twice, its mine.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.