Immigration

melodious

mammasan wrote:

I find this comment so offensive. It is really testing my self restraint not to simply explode right now. I can understand not approving illegal immigration and the finacial burden it imposes on our country, but to state that any immigrant from a 3rd world country is a burden on this country is repulsive. I will have you know that my parents are Cuban immigrants who came to this country with less than nothing. Yes they received some government aid upon arriving but they worked their ass' off. They raised 5 children, paid for two to go to college. My father now runs his own construction company and there is not one person in my family who has not contributed to their community. I grew up around many immigrant families from 3rd world nations and all where hard working and simply trying to build a better life for their family than they would have had back in their native country. To see someone make such a ridiculous statement is a slap in their face and mine. I can only hope that you can open your eyes one day and not view all 3rd world immigrants like parasites.

amen....

Jeanie

Specifics wrote:

Going back a bit but what u talkin about man?!! Everyone wants to be American!!!
Oh hang on sorry, i been reading too much shit from yanks :-)

Yes, perfectly understandable Specifics there's a lot of it flying around!! But if you've been here in PJ land you would also know there are many good yanks!!! Complete US media saturation here is certainly having a detrimental effect on Australian culture! But I think that's because of Rupert! He doesn't know if he's arthur or martha and besides gotta keep the globabalization train on the track right? His livelihood depends on it! Good to know that you've still got your head screwed onto right though Aussie!!! :D

Jeanie

onelongsong wrote:

hey cate; my buffalo ARE from the dances with wolves herd. so you'll see some familiar faces.
i'm going to try the oppressed card. i'm white and in america that's a second rate citizen. i can't get a regular job because of affirmative action. can't get grants or scholorships for the same reason. most places in my state won't hire you if you don't speak spanish.
it may take a year but i'll be there.

Ssshhh..........come join us on the couch while the popcorn's still hot!!
And btw there's nothing second rate about you!;) So just quit your bitching and get over here already!!!

Jeanie

mammasan wrote:

I find this comment so offensive. It is really testing my self restraint not to simply explode right now. I can understand not approving illegal immigration and the finacial burden it imposes on our country, but to state that any immigrant from a 3rd world country is a burden on this country is repulsive. I will have you know that my parents are Cuban immigrants who came to this country with less than nothing. Yes they received some government aid upon arriving but they worked their ass' off. They raised 5 children, paid for two to go to college. My father now runs his own construction company and there is not one person in my family who has not contributed to their community. I grew up around many immigrant families from 3rd world nations and all where hard working and simply trying to build a better life for their family than they would have had back in their native country. To see someone make such a ridiculous statement is a slap in their face and mine. I can only hope that you can open your eyes one day and not view all 3rd world immigrants like parasites.

Don't be mad mammasan. It's easy to misunderstand people in this forum. And even if you haven't misunderstood, not everybody feels that way anyway. I am third generation Australian and have had all my past culture erased and my future culture looks like its going off too. Many people around the world understand the sacrifices made by migrants and we take our hats off to you. Lucky I guess that I live in a very multicultural city. Ignorance is easy in the current climate. You know that is what this is, ignorance and fear. So just remember others understand.

A Surprise Left

Jeanie wrote:

AGREE!!! With everything you've said EXCEPT now I'm coughing and spluttering and I have an UGLY UGLY visual seared into my brain that can never be removed!!!!!!
Phil & Amanda......................a couple?..............ARGHGHHH!!!! :eek: :eek:


Can't we talk about something pleasant? I don't even mind starting an all new super pleasant feel the love and peace and calm thread!

Haha you think Amanda would wear the pants? :eek: haha sorry I'll stop now! lmao I don't actually have anything intelligent to add to this thread atm.....lol.

CorporateWhore

mammasan wrote:

I find this comment so offensive. It is really testing my self restraint not to simply explode right now. I can understand not approving illegal immigration and the finacial burden it imposes on our country, but to state that any immigrant from a 3rd world country is a burden on this country is repulsive. I will have you know that my parents are Cuban immigrants who came to this country with less than nothing. Yes they received some government aid upon arriving but they worked their ass' off. They raised 5 children, paid for two to go to college. My father now runs his own construction company and there is not one person in my family who has not contributed to their community. I grew up around many immigrant families from 3rd world nations and all where hard working and simply trying to build a better life for their family than they would have had back in their native country. To see someone make such a ridiculous statement is a slap in their face and mine. I can only hope that you can open your eyes one day and not view all 3rd world immigrants like parasites.

I am saying that third world immigrants need to be assimilated. There's too many coming in. We need to assimilate the ones we've got. Currently, they're not being assimilated and they have no idea what being an american is all about. We need to halt immigration for a period and assimilate these immigrants, then we can talk about letting anymore in.

I'm not saying that third world immigrants are impossible to assimilate either - I'm saying it's far more difficult to assimilate someone who has no idea what democracy is or what individual liberty entails. It's no surprise either - look at the immigrant population: higher crime and lack of education. Freedom requires education and civic responsibility. They don't understand it yet because we've failed to assimilate them.

Your family is obviously an exception, but I would probably refer that to the evils of communism. Cubans are an exception to the hispanic rule: they can come here legally because their country is communist. On a side note, not enough Cubans are coming to America. They vote Republican. I encourage every Cuban family to come to America and bolster Republican votes.

mammasan

CorporateWhore wrote:

I am saying that third world immigrants need to be assimilated. There's too many coming in. We need to assimilate the ones we've got. Currently, they're not being assimilated and they have no idea what being an american is all about. We need to halt immigration for a period and assimilate these immigrants, then we can talk about letting anymore in.

I'm not saying that third world immigrants are impossible to assimilate either - I'm saying it's far more difficult to assimilate someone who has no idea what democracy is or what individual liberty entails. It's no surprise either - look at the immigrant population: higher crime and lack of education. Freedom requires education and civic responsibility. They don't understand it yet because we've failed to assimilate them.

Your family is obviously an exception, but I would probably refer that to the evils of communism. Cubans are an exception to the hispanic rule: they can come here legally because their country is communist. On a side note, not enough Cubans are coming to America. They vote Republican. I encourage every Cuban family to come to America and bolster Republican votes.

So Cuban are OK because they vote Republican. So is it only the hispanic immigrants you have a problem with or do you have a problem with all the other immigrants as well because from what I have seen you seem to reserve your dislike only for Hispanics.

CorporateWhore

mammasan wrote:

So Cuban are OK because they vote Republican. So is it only the hispanic immigrants you have a problem with or do you have a problem with all the other immigrants as well because from what I have seen you seem to reserve your dislike only for Hispanics.

All the third world immigrants have problems assimilating. It's nothing against them - it's the systems they come from. Hispanics are largely catholic like me, so it's not that I don't like them. It's that they can't assimilate when they come in such vast numbers and refuse to learn english. This is an "american" country and they need to become "american." I wouldn't move to Mexico and expect them to learn english and eat hot dogs and watch baseball. You have to assimilate into the nation you join.

Any third world immigrants who come from an oppressive regime will have trouble assimilating into our culture (with the exception of those from formerly communist countries). Unfortunately, hispanics come in the largest numbers so they are the most marginalized in our society.

Jeanie

A Surprise Left wrote:

Haha you think Amanda would wear the pants? :eek: haha sorry I'll stop now! lmao I don't actually have anything intelligent to add to this thread atm.....lol.

***Jeanie shaking her fist***

DAMN YOU ASL!!! Just when the scar was healing!!! :D:D:D:D Oh my poor brain.....................

RavennaSeattle1911

i dont want any more imigrants -deport them

if someone was suffering maybe far away and poor and persecuted i might consider letting in them ,at least temporily

im frugel and i dont like arrogant foriegnors -that make me a zenophobe?

CorporateWhore

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

i dont want any more imigrants -deport them

if someone was suffering maybe far away and poor and persecuted i might consider letting in them ,at least temporily

im frugel and i dont like arrogant foriegnors -that make me a zenophobe?

are you being serious?

Collin

CorporateWhore wrote:

All the third world immigrants have problems assimilating. It's nothing against them - it's the systems they come from. Hispanics are largely catholic like me, so it's not that I don't like them. It's that they can't assimilate when they come in such vast numbers and refuse to learn english. This is an "american" country and they need to become "american." I wouldn't move to Mexico and expect them to learn english and eat hot dogs and watch baseball. You have to assimilate into the nation you join.

Any third world immigrants who come from an oppressive regime will have trouble assimilating into our culture (with the exception of those from formerly communist countries). Unfortunately, hispanics come in the largest numbers so they are the most marginalized in our society.

Funny post. So they need to become American, from your post I gather that means speaking English (though the US doesn't have any official languages) and apparently eating hot dogs and watching baseball... and if they are republican it's also ok?

even flow?

CorporateWhore wrote:

Trust me, I would.

The french can take their damn plaque back.

I don't want huddled masses...or poor or hungry. I want educated people who are willing to work and bust their ass and not steal my tax dollars.

I take it you are native American with what you have to say. Or were your ancestors able to understand what the Indians were saying about them at Plymouth and just handed it down to you to bitch about? If not, then take it with a grain of salt.

evenkat

even flow? wrote:

I take it you are native American with what you have to say. Or were your ancestors able to understand what the Indians were saying about them at Plymouth and just handed it down to you to bitch about? If not, then take it with a grain of salt.

Would you say Mexico and Canada are also nations of immigrants too?

even flow?

evenkat wrote:

Would you say Mexico and Canada are also nations of immigrants too?

I'm not the one saying to change the system and close the borders after I got here.

onelongsong

even flow? wrote:

I'm not the one saying to change the system and close the borders after I got here.

what an evasive answer. do you think people should have to go through legal channels to immigrate and wait in line with the other law abiding people wanting entry?

mammasan

CorporateWhore wrote:

All the third world immigrants have problems assimilating. It's nothing against them - it's the systems they come from. Hispanics are largely catholic like me, so it's not that I don't like them. It's that they can't assimilate when they come in such vast numbers and refuse to learn english. This is an "american" country and they need to become "american." I wouldn't move to Mexico and expect them to learn english and eat hot dogs and watch baseball. You have to assimilate into the nation you join.

Any third world immigrants who come from an oppressive regime will have trouble assimilating into our culture (with the exception of those from formerly communist countries). Unfortunately, hispanics come in the largest numbers so they are the most marginalized in our society.

Many hispanics and other immigrants do assimulate into the American culture. It is a minority among immigrants that do not take the initiative to learn the language or adapt to our culture here. You are painting a false and extremely prejudice picture of 3rd world immigrants by assuming that they do have have the ability to understand or intigrate into our culture. Your comments still disgust me and it is unfortunate that hard working immigrants have to deal with individuals such as yourself when they come to this country. I can at least say that they, the majority of them, are striving to improve their neighborhoods and their country while you are an example of the ugly side of this country.

inmytree

CorporateWhore wrote:

I've said some things about immigration that some on this board have been disgusted by. I would like to have further discussion of this issue. I've said that immigration should be lessened because the baggage that third world immigrants are bringing with them is detrimental to our economy and government.

It is my view that illegal immigration, as well as legal immigration from most third world countries, is hurting the United States immensely.

The vast majority of immigrants from third world countries (especially south america) are at or around the poverty line. They come to America with little if any education and immediately begin receiving various government services. 40 percent of all illegal immigrants are working for cash and not paying taxes.

They also tend toward crime more than real americans: 75 percent of the people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

They're hard workers? In Los Angeles (where many illegal aliens live), less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare. How the hell are they on welfare when they don't pay taxes and are not citizens? We let them. Maybe if we kicked them off it, they'd tell all their friends not to come.

What happens to a social welfare system that allows massive immigration from third world countries whose people are poor and uneducated? That social welfare system collapses. Our system cannot handle this burden. It was one thing in the early 1900s when our system wasn't as full of welfare and entitlements as it is now.

You need to increase the number of rich people paying taxes while you increase immigration from poor countries. In 1990, hispanics accounted for 9 percent of the population. Today, they account for 14.4 percent. This is all from immigration folks.

I'm not being a xenophobe - I'm putting out the simple fact that we cannot afford to pay for all of these people's medical expenses, welfare needs, and education.

This country is going down the tubes and the Republicans and Democrats are pulling us down.

you are combining two major problems/issues into one...which makes it difficult to address each issue properly...

Problem A) Immigration...as someone has mentioned, it's basically being used for subsidized slavery...rather than putting illegals on plantations, they are tossed a couple of bucks for basic living costs...

Problem Welfare/Entitlement programs...I do think that welfare and social safety nets are what makes this country great, i.e., taking care of those who can't take care of themselves...those same programs are overly used and abused...

perhaps if the Welfare System were overhauled, with a much better system of checks and balances put in place, the issue of Illegals abusing the system would not be an issue...also, many "legals" abuse the current welfare system...do you have an issue with them....?

and someone mentioned corporate welfare....it's interesting how that system seems fly under the radar...I guess it's ok to give corporations millions of our tax dollars, but the 39-year-old women with MS needs to pull herself up by her bootstraps and make due for herself....

onelongsong

Jeanie wrote:

Ssshhh..........come join us on the couch while the popcorn's still hot!!
And btw there's nothing second rate about you!;) So just quit your bitching and get over here already!!!

i'm not bitchin, hon. if i were bitchin i'd tell you how the us government requires public entities and employers to be predudice against whites by law. i'd tell you about my daughter who was top in her class but the only student who didn't receive a grant because she was not of black or hispanic decent. if i wanted to bitch; i'd tell several stories. but bitching doesn't do any good. the government has only provided a breeding ground for hatred.
so slide over a bit and we'll watch the bloody yanks self destruct together.

even flow?

onelongsong wrote:

what an evasive answer. do you think people should have to go through legal channels to immigrate and wait in line with the other law abiding people wanting entry?

You did read post number 1? They bitched about legal people coming over and being uneducated, yadda, yadda, yadda. I am sure they will have a gun and be border sitting if they had the chance. They probably would be going to Ellis Island like I suggested too.

And my answer that you quoted was to evenkat.

As for standing in line with the rest of them. Start a thread about people who live in your fab country and don't mind paying the people under the table to use their working skills. And turn the blind eye as to how those people get into the country. As long as their is exploiters there should be no bitching. Maybe send the exploiters back to where they came from too? Super idea. Bet they won't think too much of having to go to wherever their ancestors came from. You agree with that?