"ruining their safe space". BWAHAHAHAHA. The ego is out of control.
My safe space is so unsafe and not only have I decided not to renew but I burned my benny in protest of the bullies and selective bannings. It’s all so unfair.
Really? Not renewing? Members say that often. What’s your last day?
To be fair, fully digesting your mocks and not so subtle attacks, which I will sorely miss, I support full free speech on the forum, as selective enforcement is confusing at best.
I guess you’re not familiar with The Onion?
How many cards do you have in that deck?
I definitely smelled onion when you said, "I burned my benny in protest of the bullies and selective bannings." And I could imagine the photo above the headline:Forlorn soul stares into pile of gooey vinyl ashes.
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My coworker Carlos today told me his daughter who traveled to Mexico on vacation was pulled to the side by TSA when she got back here to NY and questioned on her trip! Mind you she’s an American citizen and so is her father my coworker both carry American passport both born here, she was interrogated because of her Spanish name and looks
The Trump administration acknowledged in a court filing Monday that it had grabbed a Maryland father with protected legal status and mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, but said that U.S. courts lack jurisdiction to order his return from the megaprison where he’s now locked up. The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan deportees to El Salvador’s grim “Terrorism Confinement Center” on March 15. Attorneys for several Venezuelan deportees have said that the Trump administration falsely labeled their clients as gang members because of their tattoos. Trump officials have disputed those claims. But in Monday’s court filing, attorneys for the government admitted that the Salvadoran man, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, had been deported accidentally. “Although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error,” the government told the court. Trump lawyers said the court has no ability to bring Abrego Garcia back now that he is in Salvadoran custody. Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, Abrego Garcia’s attorney, said he’s never seen a case in which the government knowingly deported someone who had already received protected legal status from an immigration judge. He is asking the court to order the Trump administration to ask for Abrego Garcia’s return and, if necessary, to withhold payment to the Salvadoran government, which says it’s charging the United States $6 million a year to jail U.S. deportees. Trump-administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump’s “primacy in foreign affairs” outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family. “They claim that the court is powerless to order any relief,’’ Sandoval-Moshenberg told me. “If that’s true, the immigration laws are meaningless—all of them—because the government can deport whoever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, and no court can do anything about it once it’s done.” Court filings show that Abrego Garcia came to the United States at age 16 in 2011 after fleeing gang threats in his native El Salvador. In 2019 he received a form of protected legal status known as “withholding of removal” from a U.S. immigration judge who found he would likely be targeted by gangs if deported back. Abrego Garcia, who is married to a U.S. citizen and has a 5-year-old disabled child who is also a U.S. citizen, has no criminal record in the United States, according to his attorney. The Trump administration does not claim he has a criminal record, but called him a “danger to the community” and an active member of MS-13, the Salvadoran gang that Trump has declared a foreign terrorist organization. Sandoval-Moshenberg said that those charges are false, and that the gang label stems from a 2019 incident when Abrego Garcia and three other men were detained in a Home Depot parking lot by a police detective in Prince George’s County, Maryland. During questioning, one of the men told officers that Abrego Garcia was a gang member, but the man offered no proof and police said they didn’t believe him, filings show. Police did not identify him as a gang member. Abrego Garcia was not charged with a crime, but he was handed over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement after the arrest to face deportation. In those proceedings, the government claimed that a reliable informant had identified him as a ranking member of MS-13. Abrego Garcia and his family hired an attorney and fought the government’s attempt to deport him. He received “withholding of removal” six months later, a protected status. It is not a path to permanent U.S. residency, but it means the government won’t deport him back to his home country, because he’s more likely than not to face harm there.
More at the link....I wonder if this will put an end to this bullshit or at least put some methods in place that prevent it from happening.
To say it's out of their hands is absolute bullshit. I hope he sues for millions.
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The Trump administration acknowledged in a court filing Monday that it had grabbed a Maryland father with protected legal status and mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, but said that U.S. courts lack jurisdiction to order his return from the megaprison where he’s now locked up. The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan deportees to El Salvador’s grim “Terrorism Confinement Center” on March 15. Attorneys for several Venezuelan deportees have said that the Trump administration falsely labeled their clients as gang members because of their tattoos. Trump officials have disputed those claims. But in Monday’s court filing, attorneys for the government admitted that the Salvadoran man, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, had been deported accidentally. “Although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error,” the government told the court. Trump lawyers said the court has no ability to bring Abrego Garcia back now that he is in Salvadoran custody. Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, Abrego Garcia’s attorney, said he’s never seen a case in which the government knowingly deported someone who had already received protected legal status from an immigration judge. He is asking the court to order the Trump administration to ask for Abrego Garcia’s return and, if necessary, to withhold payment to the Salvadoran government, which says it’s charging the United States $6 million a year to jail U.S. deportees. Trump-administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump’s “primacy in foreign affairs” outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family. “They claim that the court is powerless to order any relief,’’ Sandoval-Moshenberg told me. “If that’s true, the immigration laws are meaningless—all of them—because the government can deport whoever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, and no court can do anything about it once it’s done.” Court filings show that Abrego Garcia came to the United States at age 16 in 2011 after fleeing gang threats in his native El Salvador. In 2019 he received a form of protected legal status known as “withholding of removal” from a U.S. immigration judge who found he would likely be targeted by gangs if deported back. Abrego Garcia, who is married to a U.S. citizen and has a 5-year-old disabled child who is also a U.S. citizen, has no criminal record in the United States, according to his attorney. The Trump administration does not claim he has a criminal record, but called him a “danger to the community” and an active member of MS-13, the Salvadoran gang that Trump has declared a foreign terrorist organization. Sandoval-Moshenberg said that those charges are false, and that the gang label stems from a 2019 incident when Abrego Garcia and three other men were detained in a Home Depot parking lot by a police detective in Prince George’s County, Maryland. During questioning, one of the men told officers that Abrego Garcia was a gang member, but the man offered no proof and police said they didn’t believe him, filings show. Police did not identify him as a gang member. Abrego Garcia was not charged with a crime, but he was handed over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement after the arrest to face deportation. In those proceedings, the government claimed that a reliable informant had identified him as a ranking member of MS-13. Abrego Garcia and his family hired an attorney and fought the government’s attempt to deport him. He received “withholding of removal” six months later, a protected status. It is not a path to permanent U.S. residency, but it means the government won’t deport him back to his home country, because he’s more likely than not to face harm there.
More at the link....I wonder if this will put an end to this bullshit or at least put some methods in place that prevent it from happening.
To say it's out of their hands is absolute bullshit. I hope he sues for millions.
That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
And when the government exerts its authority with anyone in the last paragraph, it requires evidence.
guess the question becomes really, had they applied for asylum. many had who were snatched up and deported, with regular status visits and court date appearances.
according to reporting , some had temporary protected status, then fuckstick, miller et al stopped due process rights.
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That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
And when the government exerts its authority with anyone in the last paragraph, it requires evidence.
Definitely not “anyone “
MSNBC Guest Admits Pro-Hamas Protesters’ Visa Revocation Likely To Stand
Harold Hutchison
March 28, 2025 3:55 PM ET
Former Clinton administration Justice Department official Harry Litman said Friday that Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s decision to revoke the green card of pro-Hamas protesters would likely be upheld by the courts.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) tookMahmoud Khalil, who reportedly led pro-Hamas protests at Columbia University, into custody after his green card was revoked by Rubio. Litman said that the revocation of Khalil’s green card, as well as the visas of other pro-Hamas protesters in the U.S., was something courts would probably not “second-guess.” (RELATED: Jonathan Turley Highlights Trump Admin’s Strongest Arguments In Bid To Deport Pro-Hamas Protester)
“Khalil has a green card, so did the student, excuse me, picked up this morning. There’s a regulation, Jose, passed in the height of the Cold War that says if the secretary of state makes a finding that someone is — there are two different things going on here, aiding terrorists, that’s what they say the latest student picked up did, or somehow a risk to national security, they can have their visa revoked,” Litman told MSNBC host Jose Diaz-Balart. “And there’s a lot of law that says they’re not going to second guess or they may not second guess Rubio’s judgment about that fact, are they a risk to national security?”
WATCH:
“So in the latest case, there’s going to be a frontal attack on the actual regulation because it is very clear that what’s happened here is based only on First Amendment activity. Khalil was one of the organizers of the demonstration and the person picked up this morning wrote an op-ed,” Litman continued. “And then based on that, Rubio made this judgment. It’s really that judgment and the way it dovetails with First Amendment activity that gives pause here. But that may be the aspect of the regulatory scheme that is hardest to challenge.”
Pro-Hamas demonstrations at multiple universities and colleges have taken shape since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack by Hamas that killed over 1,200 people in Israel. Protesters have occupied buildings, blocked Jewish students from parts of campus and have chanted a slogan that implies a desire to wipe out Israel. Rubio called for the visas of foreign students who supported Hamas’ actions to be revoked during an Oct. 17, 2023, appearance on “The Ingraham Angle” while he was still a Florida senator.
“The law says if you are a supporter of a terrorist organization you shouldn’t even have a visa,” Rubio told Fox News host Laura Ingraham during the appearance. “So now, once you get that visa, if you identify yourself as a Hamas supporter, then you should have your visa canceled and you should be removed from the country.”
Rubio, since becoming secretary of state, has revoked more than 300 student visas, though Litman focused on two students, Khalil, and Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained for “activities in support of Hamas.” These cases are currently being contested in federal court, the Associated Press reported.
“There is precedent for using the law without questioning the secretary of state. Secretary of State signs a piece of paper. I think this person is a risk to national security,” Litman said. “Now, remember, we’re talking about immigration status. And as Rubio was saying, you know, it’s very different to revoke a visa, especially a student visa, even a green card than it is to charge someone with a crime.”
“But the precedent is there for secretary of state to determine that someone is a danger if they — if they continue to have their immigration status permitting them to be here. I think the real thing that is animating these protesters is they think from what we know, ain’t a lot to suggest that these two people are serious risk to national security,” Litman continued. “But what the reg says is that’s a call for Rubio to make, not the courts. The courts can do other things like, are you the person named? Is the regulation constitutional? But this core judgment by Rubio is going to be very hard to overturn.”
Define how these folks are a risk to national security.
I’m not defending being pro-hamas. I’m questioning the absurdity of the claim. I would say the same about anyone being pro-bibi (also a terrorist).
So a SJW commenter from abroad understands this better than Marco Rubio and an American lawyer who served under Obama? If anything is absurd, it’s that right there.
Rubio publicly stated the following a few days ago, full well knowing this will be in court. If he had any reservations about his actions, he’d never risk this being used against his actions in court.
“If they’re taking activities that are counter to our national interest, to our foreign policy, we’ll revoke the visa,” Rubio said.
When asked about freedom of speech concerns, Rubio said international students are “here to study.”
“They’re here to go to class. They’re not here to lead activist movements that are disruptive and undermine our universities. I think it’s lunacy to continue to allow that.”
The problem here is I’m asking legitimate questions while you are citing so-called qualifications of people based on nothing but it furthers your narrative, so saying the name Obama should suffice?
I never said I knew more. I don’t. But I don’t unilaterally trust any one individual’s position “just because”. Marco Rubio is a troll.
You blame dems for trump? Your stance here is why we have trump. “He’s a successful businessman, so he should be able to run the country, right? Plus, I like what he says”.
If you can’t answer the question, there’s no shame in that.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Trump won because he convinced millions more people to vote for him with the crap he was selling. But instead of trying to reach folks in the middle, the dems reached for their extreme. Perhaps trump won because of inflation, but voters certainly didn’t enjoy seeing undocumented immigrants housed in $500 per night nyc hotels or schools shut down and graduations canceled to support a hostile government, perhaps two. With taxpayers funding both the hotels and security for violent anti American protests.
regarding that, almost every commenter here claims the Hamas supporting detainees is unjust because “they didn’t commit any crimes.” As Matt likes to say to those that dare disagree “let the internet be your friend.” That’s all I did on this topic, research, because apparently Rubio and a former Obama lawyer are both claiming whether crimes were committed is not the base reason for revoking a visa or green card.
Thats why I reposted the Littman article, in reply to go beav claiming evidence is “required.” Maybe they’re right, maybe the Hamas supporters win in immigration court, but the evidence to deport could be as flimsy as the opinion of the US Sec State. The threshold for revoking a visa is much lower than a standard criminal trial. That’s an important point.
That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
And when the government exerts its authority with anyone in the last paragraph, it requires evidence.
Definitely not “anyone “
MSNBC Guest Admits Pro-Hamas Protesters’ Visa Revocation Likely To Stand
Harold Hutchison
March 28, 2025 3:55 PM ET
Former Clinton administration Justice Department official Harry Litman said Friday that Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s decision to revoke the green card of pro-Hamas protesters would likely be upheld by the courts.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) tookMahmoud Khalil, who reportedly led pro-Hamas protests at Columbia University, into custody after his green card was revoked by Rubio. Litman said that the revocation of Khalil’s green card, as well as the visas of other pro-Hamas protesters in the U.S., was something courts would probably not “second-guess.” (RELATED: Jonathan Turley Highlights Trump Admin’s Strongest Arguments In Bid To Deport Pro-Hamas Protester)
“Khalil has a green card, so did the student, excuse me, picked up this morning. There’s a regulation, Jose, passed in the height of the Cold War that says if the secretary of state makes a finding that someone is — there are two different things going on here, aiding terrorists, that’s what they say the latest student picked up did, or somehow a risk to national security, they can have their visa revoked,” Litman told MSNBC host Jose Diaz-Balart. “And there’s a lot of law that says they’re not going to second guess or they may not second guess Rubio’s judgment about that fact, are they a risk to national security?”
WATCH:
“So in the latest case, there’s going to be a frontal attack on the actual regulation because it is very clear that what’s happened here is based only on First Amendment activity. Khalil was one of the organizers of the demonstration and the person picked up this morning wrote an op-ed,” Litman continued. “And then based on that, Rubio made this judgment. It’s really that judgment and the way it dovetails with First Amendment activity that gives pause here. But that may be the aspect of the regulatory scheme that is hardest to challenge.”
Pro-Hamas demonstrations at multiple universities and colleges have taken shape since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack by Hamas that killed over 1,200 people in Israel. Protesters have occupied buildings, blocked Jewish students from parts of campus and have chanted a slogan that implies a desire to wipe out Israel. Rubio called for the visas of foreign students who supported Hamas’ actions to be revoked during an Oct. 17, 2023, appearance on “The Ingraham Angle” while he was still a Florida senator.
“The law says if you are a supporter of a terrorist organization you shouldn’t even have a visa,” Rubio told Fox News host Laura Ingraham during the appearance. “So now, once you get that visa, if you identify yourself as a Hamas supporter, then you should have your visa canceled and you should be removed from the country.”
Rubio, since becoming secretary of state, has revoked more than 300 student visas, though Litman focused on two students, Khalil, and Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained for “activities in support of Hamas.” These cases are currently being contested in federal court, the Associated Press reported.
“There is precedent for using the law without questioning the secretary of state. Secretary of State signs a piece of paper. I think this person is a risk to national security,” Litman said. “Now, remember, we’re talking about immigration status. And as Rubio was saying, you know, it’s very different to revoke a visa, especially a student visa, even a green card than it is to charge someone with a crime.”
“But the precedent is there for secretary of state to determine that someone is a danger if they — if they continue to have their immigration status permitting them to be here. I think the real thing that is animating these protesters is they think from what we know, ain’t a lot to suggest that these two people are serious risk to national security,” Litman continued. “But what the reg says is that’s a call for Rubio to make, not the courts. The courts can do other things like, are you the person named? Is the regulation constitutional? But this core judgment by Rubio is going to be very hard to overturn.”
Do you think in a hearing a judge isn’t going to ask how they were identified to be “pro Hamas”?
Trump won because he convinced millions more people to vote for him with the crap he was selling. But instead of trying to reach folks in the middle, the dems reached for their extreme. Perhaps trump won because of inflation, but voters certainly didn’t enjoy seeing undocumented immigrants housed in $500 per night nyc hotels or schools shut down and graduations canceled to support a hostile government, perhaps two. With taxpayers funding both the hotels and security for violent anti American protests.
regarding that, almost every commenter here claims the Hamas supporting detainees is unjust because “they didn’t commit any crimes.” As Matt likes to say to those that dare disagree “let the internet be your friend.” That’s all I did on this topic, research, because apparently Rubio and a former Obama lawyer are both claiming whether crimes were committed is not the base reason for revoking a visa or green card.
Thats why I reposted the Littman article, in reply to go beav claiming evidence is “required.” Maybe they’re right, maybe the Hamas supporters win in immigration court, but the evidence to deport could be as flimsy as the opinion of the US Sec State. The threshold for revoking a visa is much lower than a standard criminal trial. That’s an important point.
Did you also research how constitutional rights aren’t just exclusive to citizens?
Perhaps trump won because of inflation, but voters certainly didn’t enjoy seeing undocumented immigrants housed in $500 per night nyc hotels or schools shut down and graduations canceled to support a hostile government, perhaps two. With taxpayers funding both the hotels and security for violent anti American protests.
If I know America, most Americans didn't give a shit about this because it didn't affect them, if they even knew about it at all.
That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
And when the government exerts its authority with anyone in the last paragraph, it requires evidence.
Definitely not “anyone “
MSNBC Guest Admits Pro-Hamas Protesters’ Visa Revocation Likely To Stand
Harold Hutchison
March 28, 2025 3:55 PM ET
Former Clinton administration Justice Department official Harry Litman said Friday that Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s decision to revoke the green card of pro-Hamas protesters would likely be upheld by the courts.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) tookMahmoud Khalil, who reportedly led pro-Hamas protests at Columbia University, into custody after his green card was revoked by Rubio. Litman said that the revocation of Khalil’s green card, as well as the visas of other pro-Hamas protesters in the U.S., was something courts would probably not “second-guess.” (RELATED: Jonathan Turley Highlights Trump Admin’s Strongest Arguments In Bid To Deport Pro-Hamas Protester)
“Khalil has a green card, so did the student, excuse me, picked up this morning. There’s a regulation, Jose, passed in the height of the Cold War that says if the secretary of state makes a finding that someone is — there are two different things going on here, aiding terrorists, that’s what they say the latest student picked up did, or somehow a risk to national security, they can have their visa revoked,” Litman told MSNBC host Jose Diaz-Balart. “And there’s a lot of law that says they’re not going to second guess or they may not second guess Rubio’s judgment about that fact, are they a risk to national security?”
WATCH:
“So in the latest case, there’s going to be a frontal attack on the actual regulation because it is very clear that what’s happened here is based only on First Amendment activity. Khalil was one of the organizers of the demonstration and the person picked up this morning wrote an op-ed,” Litman continued. “And then based on that, Rubio made this judgment. It’s really that judgment and the way it dovetails with First Amendment activity that gives pause here. But that may be the aspect of the regulatory scheme that is hardest to challenge.”
Pro-Hamas demonstrations at multiple universities and colleges have taken shape since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack by Hamas that killed over 1,200 people in Israel. Protesters have occupied buildings, blocked Jewish students from parts of campus and have chanted a slogan that implies a desire to wipe out Israel. Rubio called for the visas of foreign students who supported Hamas’ actions to be revoked during an Oct. 17, 2023, appearance on “The Ingraham Angle” while he was still a Florida senator.
“The law says if you are a supporter of a terrorist organization you shouldn’t even have a visa,” Rubio told Fox News host Laura Ingraham during the appearance. “So now, once you get that visa, if you identify yourself as a Hamas supporter, then you should have your visa canceled and you should be removed from the country.”
Rubio, since becoming secretary of state, has revoked more than 300 student visas, though Litman focused on two students, Khalil, and Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained for “activities in support of Hamas.” These cases are currently being contested in federal court, the Associated Press reported.
“There is precedent for using the law without questioning the secretary of state. Secretary of State signs a piece of paper. I think this person is a risk to national security,” Litman said. “Now, remember, we’re talking about immigration status. And as Rubio was saying, you know, it’s very different to revoke a visa, especially a student visa, even a green card than it is to charge someone with a crime.”
“But the precedent is there for secretary of state to determine that someone is a danger if they — if they continue to have their immigration status permitting them to be here. I think the real thing that is animating these protesters is they think from what we know, ain’t a lot to suggest that these two people are serious risk to national security,” Litman continued. “But what the reg says is that’s a call for Rubio to make, not the courts. The courts can do other things like, are you the person named? Is the regulation constitutional? But this core judgment by Rubio is going to be very hard to overturn.”
Do you think in a hearing a judge isn’t going to ask how they were identified to be “pro Hamas”?
They’ve already said so publicly. Khalid was an organizer of the Columbia protests and was here on a student visa at that time. Those protests were not peaceful. IMO he is very unlikely to win his immigration hearing. For many judges, the word of Rubio will be enough. You can research specific judges records. There is a reason why they are transporting deportees to the south.
The tufts student might be more difficult for the DOJ as her identifying behavior may have only been writing an op ed to organize students to support forcing school policy . The DOJ is not disclosing whether she had ties to the anti Israel protests and student BDS vote last year that turned nasty, with reports of “vitriolic antisemitism” expressed by students at the vote. ( Taunts included “Israel controls the entire world,” “Go back to Israel, we don’t want you here!” and “You stink,” according to Brawer. Jewish on Campus, which collects anonymous testimonies of antisemitism in universities, said it had been reported that one student was spat on.)
If she had ties to those protests, she very well could lose her visa. That is not a peaceful protest.
Phones are everywhere. A lot of these protests were not peaceful. The word of the sec state and documentation that the alleged actions occurred may be enough evidence to revoke a student visa.
Perhaps trump won because of inflation, but voters certainly didn’t enjoy seeing undocumented immigrants housed in $500 per night nyc hotels or schools shut down and graduations canceled to support a hostile government, perhaps two. With taxpayers funding both the hotels and security for violent anti American protests.
If I know America, most Americans didn't give a shit about this because it didn't affect them, if they even knew about it at all.
Yep, fake news, taxpayers spending billions on migrant hotels and no one knows or cares
That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
And when the government exerts its authority with anyone in the last paragraph, it requires evidence.
Definitely not “anyone “
MSNBC Guest Admits Pro-Hamas Protesters’ Visa Revocation Likely To Stand
Harold Hutchison
March 28, 2025 3:55 PM ET
Former Clinton administration Justice Department official Harry Litman said Friday that Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s decision to revoke the green card of pro-Hamas protesters would likely be upheld by the courts.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) tookMahmoud Khalil, who reportedly led pro-Hamas protests at Columbia University, into custody after his green card was revoked by Rubio. Litman said that the revocation of Khalil’s green card, as well as the visas of other pro-Hamas protesters in the U.S., was something courts would probably not “second-guess.” (RELATED: Jonathan Turley Highlights Trump Admin’s Strongest Arguments In Bid To Deport Pro-Hamas Protester)
“Khalil has a green card, so did the student, excuse me, picked up this morning. There’s a regulation, Jose, passed in the height of the Cold War that says if the secretary of state makes a finding that someone is — there are two different things going on here, aiding terrorists, that’s what they say the latest student picked up did, or somehow a risk to national security, they can have their visa revoked,” Litman told MSNBC host Jose Diaz-Balart. “And there’s a lot of law that says they’re not going to second guess or they may not second guess Rubio’s judgment about that fact, are they a risk to national security?”
WATCH:
“So in the latest case, there’s going to be a frontal attack on the actual regulation because it is very clear that what’s happened here is based only on First Amendment activity. Khalil was one of the organizers of the demonstration and the person picked up this morning wrote an op-ed,” Litman continued. “And then based on that, Rubio made this judgment. It’s really that judgment and the way it dovetails with First Amendment activity that gives pause here. But that may be the aspect of the regulatory scheme that is hardest to challenge.”
Pro-Hamas demonstrations at multiple universities and colleges have taken shape since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack by Hamas that killed over 1,200 people in Israel. Protesters have occupied buildings, blocked Jewish students from parts of campus and have chanted a slogan that implies a desire to wipe out Israel. Rubio called for the visas of foreign students who supported Hamas’ actions to be revoked during an Oct. 17, 2023, appearance on “The Ingraham Angle” while he was still a Florida senator.
“The law says if you are a supporter of a terrorist organization you shouldn’t even have a visa,” Rubio told Fox News host Laura Ingraham during the appearance. “So now, once you get that visa, if you identify yourself as a Hamas supporter, then you should have your visa canceled and you should be removed from the country.”
Rubio, since becoming secretary of state, has revoked more than 300 student visas, though Litman focused on two students, Khalil, and Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained for “activities in support of Hamas.” These cases are currently being contested in federal court, the Associated Press reported.
“There is precedent for using the law without questioning the secretary of state. Secretary of State signs a piece of paper. I think this person is a risk to national security,” Litman said. “Now, remember, we’re talking about immigration status. And as Rubio was saying, you know, it’s very different to revoke a visa, especially a student visa, even a green card than it is to charge someone with a crime.”
“But the precedent is there for secretary of state to determine that someone is a danger if they — if they continue to have their immigration status permitting them to be here. I think the real thing that is animating these protesters is they think from what we know, ain’t a lot to suggest that these two people are serious risk to national security,” Litman continued. “But what the reg says is that’s a call for Rubio to make, not the courts. The courts can do other things like, are you the person named? Is the regulation constitutional? But this core judgment by Rubio is going to be very hard to overturn.”
Do you think in a hearing a judge isn’t going to ask how they were identified to be “pro Hamas”?
They’ve already said so publicly. Khalid was an organizer of the Columbia protests and was here on a student visa at that time. Those protests were not peaceful. IMO he is very unlikely to win his immigration hearing. For many judges, the word of Rubio will be enough. You can research specific judges records. There is a reason why they are transporting deportees to the south.
The tufts student might be more difficult for the DOJ as her identifying behavior may have only been writing an op ed to organize students to support forcing school policy . The DOJ is not disclosing whether she had ties to the anti Israel protests and student BDS vote last year that turned nasty, with reports of “vitriolic antisemitism” expressed by students at the vote. ( Taunts included “Israel controls the entire world,” “Go back to Israel, we don’t want you here!” and “You stink,” according to Brawer. Jewish on Campus, which collects anonymous testimonies of antisemitism in universities, said it had been reported that one student was spat on.)
If she had ties to those protests, she very well could lose her visa. That is not a peaceful protest.
Phones are everywhere. A lot of these protests were not peaceful. The word of the sec state and documentation that the alleged actions occurred may be enough evidence to revoke a student visa.
So yes, the judge will ask for evidence in a hearing about the government exerting its authority.
That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
And when the government exerts its authority with anyone in the last paragraph, it requires evidence.
Definitely not “anyone “
MSNBC Guest Admits Pro-Hamas Protesters’ Visa Revocation Likely To Stand
Harold Hutchison
March 28, 2025 3:55 PM ET
Former Clinton administration Justice Department official Harry Litman said Friday that Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s decision to revoke the green card of pro-Hamas protesters would likely be upheld by the courts.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) tookMahmoud Khalil, who reportedly led pro-Hamas protests at Columbia University, into custody after his green card was revoked by Rubio. Litman said that the revocation of Khalil’s green card, as well as the visas of other pro-Hamas protesters in the U.S., was something courts would probably not “second-guess.” (RELATED: Jonathan Turley Highlights Trump Admin’s Strongest Arguments In Bid To Deport Pro-Hamas Protester)
“Khalil has a green card, so did the student, excuse me, picked up this morning. There’s a regulation, Jose, passed in the height of the Cold War that says if the secretary of state makes a finding that someone is — there are two different things going on here, aiding terrorists, that’s what they say the latest student picked up did, or somehow a risk to national security, they can have their visa revoked,” Litman told MSNBC host Jose Diaz-Balart. “And there’s a lot of law that says they’re not going to second guess or they may not second guess Rubio’s judgment about that fact, are they a risk to national security?”
WATCH:
“So in the latest case, there’s going to be a frontal attack on the actual regulation because it is very clear that what’s happened here is based only on First Amendment activity. Khalil was one of the organizers of the demonstration and the person picked up this morning wrote an op-ed,” Litman continued. “And then based on that, Rubio made this judgment. It’s really that judgment and the way it dovetails with First Amendment activity that gives pause here. But that may be the aspect of the regulatory scheme that is hardest to challenge.”
Pro-Hamas demonstrations at multiple universities and colleges have taken shape since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack by Hamas that killed over 1,200 people in Israel. Protesters have occupied buildings, blocked Jewish students from parts of campus and have chanted a slogan that implies a desire to wipe out Israel. Rubio called for the visas of foreign students who supported Hamas’ actions to be revoked during an Oct. 17, 2023, appearance on “The Ingraham Angle” while he was still a Florida senator.
“The law says if you are a supporter of a terrorist organization you shouldn’t even have a visa,” Rubio told Fox News host Laura Ingraham during the appearance. “So now, once you get that visa, if you identify yourself as a Hamas supporter, then you should have your visa canceled and you should be removed from the country.”
Rubio, since becoming secretary of state, has revoked more than 300 student visas, though Litman focused on two students, Khalil, and Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained for “activities in support of Hamas.” These cases are currently being contested in federal court, the Associated Press reported.
“There is precedent for using the law without questioning the secretary of state. Secretary of State signs a piece of paper. I think this person is a risk to national security,” Litman said. “Now, remember, we’re talking about immigration status. And as Rubio was saying, you know, it’s very different to revoke a visa, especially a student visa, even a green card than it is to charge someone with a crime.”
“But the precedent is there for secretary of state to determine that someone is a danger if they — if they continue to have their immigration status permitting them to be here. I think the real thing that is animating these protesters is they think from what we know, ain’t a lot to suggest that these two people are serious risk to national security,” Litman continued. “But what the reg says is that’s a call for Rubio to make, not the courts. The courts can do other things like, are you the person named? Is the regulation constitutional? But this core judgment by Rubio is going to be very hard to overturn.”
Do you think in a hearing a judge isn’t going to ask how they were identified to be “pro Hamas”?
They’ve already said so publicly. Khalid was an organizer of the Columbia protests and was here on a student visa at that time. Those protests were not peaceful. IMO he is very unlikely to win his immigration hearing. For many judges, the word of Rubio will be enough. You can research specific judges records. There is a reason why they are transporting deportees to the south.
The tufts student might be more difficult for the DOJ as her identifying behavior may have only been writing an op ed to organize students to support forcing school policy . The DOJ is not disclosing whether she had ties to the anti Israel protests and student BDS vote last year that turned nasty, with reports of “vitriolic antisemitism” expressed by students at the vote. ( Taunts included “Israel controls the entire world,” “Go back to Israel, we don’t want you here!” and “You stink,” according to Brawer. Jewish on Campus, which collects anonymous testimonies of antisemitism in universities, said it had been reported that one student was spat on.)
If she had ties to those protests, she very well could lose her visa. That is not a peaceful protest.
Phones are everywhere. A lot of these protests were not peaceful. The word of the sec state and documentation that the alleged actions occurred may be enough evidence to revoke a student visa.
So yes, the judge will ask for evidence in a hearing about the government exerting its authority.
And this is an immigration hearing, not a jury trial requiring guilt beyond reasonable doubt. The hearing could be about only whether the detainee abided by terms of their visa, and the opinion of sec state regarding national security.
That comment again demonstrates an inability to understand words, comments, facts and ideas.
one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
And when the government exerts its authority with anyone in the last paragraph, it requires evidence.
Definitely not “anyone “
MSNBC Guest Admits Pro-Hamas Protesters’ Visa Revocation Likely To Stand
Harold Hutchison
March 28, 2025 3:55 PM ET
Former Clinton administration Justice Department official Harry Litman said Friday that Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s decision to revoke the green card of pro-Hamas protesters would likely be upheld by the courts.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) tookMahmoud Khalil, who reportedly led pro-Hamas protests at Columbia University, into custody after his green card was revoked by Rubio. Litman said that the revocation of Khalil’s green card, as well as the visas of other pro-Hamas protesters in the U.S., was something courts would probably not “second-guess.” (RELATED: Jonathan Turley Highlights Trump Admin’s Strongest Arguments In Bid To Deport Pro-Hamas Protester)
“Khalil has a green card, so did the student, excuse me, picked up this morning. There’s a regulation, Jose, passed in the height of the Cold War that says if the secretary of state makes a finding that someone is — there are two different things going on here, aiding terrorists, that’s what they say the latest student picked up did, or somehow a risk to national security, they can have their visa revoked,” Litman told MSNBC host Jose Diaz-Balart. “And there’s a lot of law that says they’re not going to second guess or they may not second guess Rubio’s judgment about that fact, are they a risk to national security?”
WATCH:
“So in the latest case, there’s going to be a frontal attack on the actual regulation because it is very clear that what’s happened here is based only on First Amendment activity. Khalil was one of the organizers of the demonstration and the person picked up this morning wrote an op-ed,” Litman continued. “And then based on that, Rubio made this judgment. It’s really that judgment and the way it dovetails with First Amendment activity that gives pause here. But that may be the aspect of the regulatory scheme that is hardest to challenge.”
Pro-Hamas demonstrations at multiple universities and colleges have taken shape since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack by Hamas that killed over 1,200 people in Israel. Protesters have occupied buildings, blocked Jewish students from parts of campus and have chanted a slogan that implies a desire to wipe out Israel. Rubio called for the visas of foreign students who supported Hamas’ actions to be revoked during an Oct. 17, 2023, appearance on “The Ingraham Angle” while he was still a Florida senator.
“The law says if you are a supporter of a terrorist organization you shouldn’t even have a visa,” Rubio told Fox News host Laura Ingraham during the appearance. “So now, once you get that visa, if you identify yourself as a Hamas supporter, then you should have your visa canceled and you should be removed from the country.”
Rubio, since becoming secretary of state, has revoked more than 300 student visas, though Litman focused on two students, Khalil, and Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained for “activities in support of Hamas.” These cases are currently being contested in federal court, the Associated Press reported.
“There is precedent for using the law without questioning the secretary of state. Secretary of State signs a piece of paper. I think this person is a risk to national security,” Litman said. “Now, remember, we’re talking about immigration status. And as Rubio was saying, you know, it’s very different to revoke a visa, especially a student visa, even a green card than it is to charge someone with a crime.”
“But the precedent is there for secretary of state to determine that someone is a danger if they — if they continue to have their immigration status permitting them to be here. I think the real thing that is animating these protesters is they think from what we know, ain’t a lot to suggest that these two people are serious risk to national security,” Litman continued. “But what the reg says is that’s a call for Rubio to make, not the courts. The courts can do other things like, are you the person named? Is the regulation constitutional? But this core judgment by Rubio is going to be very hard to overturn.”
Do you think in a hearing a judge isn’t going to ask how they were identified to be “pro Hamas”?
They’ve already said so publicly. Khalid was an organizer of the Columbia protests and was here on a student visa at that time. Those protests were not peaceful. IMO he is very unlikely to win his immigration hearing. For many judges, the word of Rubio will be enough. You can research specific judges records. There is a reason why they are transporting deportees to the south.
The tufts student might be more difficult for the DOJ as her identifying behavior may have only been writing an op ed to organize students to support forcing school policy . The DOJ is not disclosing whether she had ties to the anti Israel protests and student BDS vote last year that turned nasty, with reports of “vitriolic antisemitism” expressed by students at the vote. ( Taunts included “Israel controls the entire world,” “Go back to Israel, we don’t want you here!” and “You stink,” according to Brawer. Jewish on Campus, which collects anonymous testimonies of antisemitism in universities, said it had been reported that one student was spat on.)
If she had ties to those protests, she very well could lose her visa. That is not a peaceful protest.
Phones are everywhere. A lot of these protests were not peaceful. The word of the sec state and documentation that the alleged actions occurred may be enough evidence to revoke a student visa.
So yes, the judge will ask for evidence in a hearing about the government exerting its authority.
And this is an immigration hearing, not a jury trial requiring guilt beyond reasonable doubt. The hearing could be about only whether the detainee abided by terms of their visa, and the opinion of sec state regarding national security.
I’m aware it’s not a criminal trial. So when you hear looney tunes libs voice complaints about the government sending people away and making them disappear essentially, the complaint is about a lack of hearing, aka due process. Something that used to not be exclusive to the libs, but now is.
Perhaps trump won because of inflation, but voters certainly didn’t enjoy seeing undocumented immigrants housed in $500 per night nyc hotels or schools shut down and graduations canceled to support a hostile government, perhaps two. With taxpayers funding both the hotels and security for violent anti American protests.
If I know America, most Americans didn't give a shit about this because it didn't affect them, if they even knew about it at all.
Yep, fake news, taxpayers spending billions on migrant hotels and no one knows or cares
I didn’t say no one. I said “most”, meaning a large majority but not all. And I stand by it.
"...and ease rules for 14- and 15-year-olds who are enrolled in homeschool, virtual education, or those who have already graduated. The house version would allow 13-year-olds to work during the summer of the year they turn 14."
When I was in high school I had 15 year old friends working. They had to get a work permit from school and were only allowed to work certain hours per week. This only allows 13-year olds to work the summer of the year they turn 14, so they are only a few months shy of 14. And it doesn't describe what the restrictions are, I'm sure none of them are allowed full time jobs. I'm not against a 14 year old who is going to virtual school to work 10 hours a week in some circumstances, what's wrong with that? When my kid is 14 and if he wants to work at a car wash for the summer or something, I have no problem with that. Better than sitting around playing video games and watching YouTube all day, that's for sure. And he wouldn't even meet the criteria and be allowed to.
Forcing a 13 year old to work 40 hours picking fruit would be another thing, but that doesn't seem like what is what's being pushed.
I mean, at this point, I don’t even know what you’re advocating for other than just wanting to fight with a couple of posters here.
almost every comment I post gets trolled from someone overseas and someone else that thinks war is a joke (or that it’s my fault for wanting the countries to negotiate a treaty) and the “fight” is my fault. The personal attacks here are endless. Mentioning the rules gets mocked. But it’s me. Remember all the moderate Dems that used to comment here who rarely do anymore?
This forum has responded to trump by moving extremely to the far left, which is no way to reach purple and lean red states for senatorial and electoral votes. That’s the extend of my political passion. Almost all articles and ideas posted here are representative of far left views and often omit significant facts. Say anything contrary gets you a personal attack.
the “fake news “ posted on amt is astounding. Most posts here, if not all , regarding (the original immigrant story) Khalils detainment claimed he broke no laws and he has the exact same rights keeping his visa as citizens. there is significant fallacy there and omission of facts in that view. Bringing that up here causes arguments and personal attacks.
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The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan deportees to El Salvador’s grim “Terrorism Confinement Center” on March 15. Attorneys for several Venezuelan deportees have said that the Trump administration falsely labeled their clients as gang members because of their tattoos. Trump officials have disputed those claims.
But in Monday’s court filing, attorneys for the government admitted that the Salvadoran man, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, had been deported accidentally. “Although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error,” the government told the court. Trump lawyers said the court has no ability to bring Abrego Garcia back now that he is in Salvadoran custody.
Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, Abrego Garcia’s attorney, said he’s never seen a case in which the government knowingly deported someone who had already received protected legal status from an immigration judge. He is asking the court to order the Trump administration to ask for Abrego Garcia’s return and, if necessary, to withhold payment to the Salvadoran government, which says it’s charging the United States $6 million a year to jail U.S. deportees.
Trump-administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump’s “primacy in foreign affairs” outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family.
“They claim that the court is powerless to order any relief,’’ Sandoval-Moshenberg told me. “If that’s true, the immigration laws are meaningless—all of them—because the government can deport whoever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, and no court can do anything about it once it’s done.”
Court filings show that Abrego Garcia came to the United States at age 16 in 2011 after fleeing gang threats in his native El Salvador. In 2019 he received a form of protected legal status known as “withholding of removal” from a U.S. immigration judge who found he would likely be targeted by gangs if deported back.
Abrego Garcia, who is married to a U.S. citizen and has a 5-year-old disabled child who is also a U.S. citizen, has no criminal record in the United States, according to his attorney. The Trump administration does not claim he has a criminal record, but called him a “danger to the community” and an active member of MS-13, the Salvadoran gang that Trump has declared a foreign terrorist organization.
Sandoval-Moshenberg said that those charges are false, and that the gang label stems from a 2019 incident when Abrego Garcia and three other men were detained in a Home Depot parking lot by a police detective in Prince George’s County, Maryland. During questioning, one of the men told officers that Abrego Garcia was a gang member, but the man offered no proof and police said they didn’t believe him, filings show. Police did not identify him as a gang member.
Abrego Garcia was not charged with a crime, but he was handed over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement after the arrest to face deportation. In those proceedings, the government claimed that a reliable informant had identified him as a ranking member of MS-13. Abrego Garcia and his family hired an attorney and fought the government’s attempt to deport him. He received “withholding of removal” six months later, a protected status.
It is not a path to permanent U.S. residency, but it means the government won’t deport him back to his home country, because he’s more likely than not to face harm there.
More at the link....I wonder if this will put an end to this bullshit or at least put some methods in place that prevent it from happening.
To say it's out of their hands is absolute bullshit. I hope he sues for millions.
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one would hope commenters understand the difference between a citizen, a visa holder, an undocumented here illegally, and those who lied to the govt to get here to organize violence against American kids.
forget about hoping extremists can understand the difference between an admitted mistake by the govt and the rights of people lying to be here to organize hatred and violence against Americans.
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MSNBC Guest Admits Pro-Hamas Protesters’ Visa Revocation Likely To Stand
March 28, 2025 3:55 PM ET
Former Clinton administration Justice Department official Harry Litman said Friday that Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s decision to revoke the green card of pro-Hamas protesters would likely be upheld by the courts.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) tookMahmoud Khalil, who reportedly led pro-Hamas protests at Columbia University, into custody after his green card was revoked by Rubio. Litman said that the revocation of Khalil’s green card, as well as the visas of other pro-Hamas protesters in the U.S., was something courts would probably not “second-guess.” (RELATED: Jonathan Turley Highlights Trump Admin’s Strongest Arguments In Bid To Deport Pro-Hamas Protester)
“Khalil has a green card, so did the student, excuse me, picked up this morning. There’s a regulation, Jose, passed in the height of the Cold War that says if the secretary of state makes a finding that someone is — there are two different things going on here, aiding terrorists, that’s what they say the latest student picked up did, or somehow a risk to national security, they can have their visa revoked,” Litman told MSNBC host Jose Diaz-Balart. “And there’s a lot of law that says they’re not going to second guess or they may not second guess Rubio’s judgment about that fact, are they a risk to national security?”
WATCH:
“So in the latest case, there’s going to be a frontal attack on the actual regulation because it is very clear that what’s happened here is based only on First Amendment activity. Khalil was one of the organizers of the demonstration and the person picked up this morning wrote an op-ed,” Litman continued. “And then based on that, Rubio made this judgment. It’s really that judgment and the way it dovetails with First Amendment activity that gives pause here. But that may be the aspect of the regulatory scheme that is hardest to challenge.”
Pro-Hamas demonstrations at multiple universities and colleges have taken shape since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack by Hamas that killed over 1,200 people in Israel. Protesters have occupied buildings, blocked Jewish students from parts of campus and have chanted a slogan that implies a desire to wipe out Israel. Rubio called for the visas of foreign students who supported Hamas’ actions to be revoked during an Oct. 17, 2023, appearance on “The Ingraham Angle” while he was still a Florida senator.
“The law says if you are a supporter of a terrorist organization you shouldn’t even have a visa,” Rubio told Fox News host Laura Ingraham during the appearance. “So now, once you get that visa, if you identify yourself as a Hamas supporter, then you should have your visa canceled and you should be removed from the country.”
Rubio, since becoming secretary of state, has revoked more than 300 student visas, though Litman focused on two students, Khalil, and Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained for “activities in support of Hamas.” These cases are currently being contested in federal court, the Associated Press reported.
Litman, who resigned as an opinion writer for Los Angeles Times after claiming the outlet was “appeasing” Trump, said the courts would not “second guess” Rubio’s decision to revoke the visas. (RELATED: ‘Your Visa Should Be Yanked’: Marco Rubio Calls For Deporting Hamas Supporters From US)
“There is precedent for using the law without questioning the secretary of state. Secretary of State signs a piece of paper. I think this person is a risk to national security,” Litman said. “Now, remember, we’re talking about immigration status. And as Rubio was saying, you know, it’s very different to revoke a visa, especially a student visa, even a green card than it is to charge someone with a crime.”
“But the precedent is there for secretary of state to determine that someone is a danger if they — if they continue to have their immigration status permitting them to be here. I think the real thing that is animating these protesters is they think from what we know, ain’t a lot to suggest that these two people are serious risk to national security,” Litman continued. “But what the reg says is that’s a call for Rubio to make, not the courts. The courts can do other things like, are you the person named? Is the regulation constitutional? But this core judgment by Rubio is going to be very hard to overturn.”
Rubio publicly stated the following a few days ago, full well knowing this will be in court. If he had any reservations about his actions, he’d never risk this being used against his actions in court.
“If they’re taking activities that are counter to our national interest, to our foreign policy, we’ll revoke the visa,” Rubio said.
When asked about freedom of speech concerns, Rubio said international students are “here to study.”
“They’re here to go to class. They’re not here to lead activist movements that are disruptive and undermine our universities. I think it’s lunacy to continue to allow that.”
regarding that, almost every commenter here claims the Hamas supporting detainees is unjust because “they didn’t commit any crimes.” As Matt likes to say to those that dare disagree “let the internet be your friend.” That’s all I did on this topic, research, because apparently Rubio and a former Obama lawyer are both claiming whether crimes were committed is not the base reason for revoking a visa or green card.
Thats why I reposted the Littman article, in reply to go beav claiming evidence is “required.” Maybe they’re right, maybe the Hamas supporters win in immigration court, but the evidence to deport could be as flimsy as the opinion of the US Sec State. The threshold for revoking a visa is much lower than a standard criminal trial. That’s an important point.
The tufts student might be more difficult for the DOJ as her identifying behavior may have only been writing an op ed to organize students to support forcing school policy . The DOJ is not disclosing whether she had ties to the anti Israel protests and student BDS vote last year that turned nasty, with reports of “vitriolic antisemitism” expressed by students at the vote. ( Taunts included “Israel controls the entire world,” “Go back to Israel, we don’t want you here!” and “You stink,” according to Brawer. Jewish on Campus, which collects anonymous testimonies of antisemitism in universities, said it had been reported that one student was spat on.)
If she had ties to those protests, she very well could lose her visa. That is not a peaceful protest.
Phones are everywhere. A lot of these protests were not peaceful. The word of the sec state and documentation that the alleged actions occurred may be enough evidence to revoke a student visa.
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https://www.wlrn.org/government-politics/2025-04-01/florida-child-labor-rollback-bill-amended-to-allow-some-13-year-olds-to-work
Just preying on the weakest of the bunch.
"...and ease rules for 14- and 15-year-olds who are enrolled in homeschool, virtual education, or those who have already graduated. The house version would allow 13-year-olds to work during the summer of the year they turn 14."
When I was in high school I had 15 year old friends working. They had to get a work permit from school and were only allowed to work certain hours per week. This only allows 13-year olds to work the summer of the year they turn 14, so they are only a few months shy of 14. And it doesn't describe what the restrictions are, I'm sure none of them are allowed full time jobs.
I'm not against a 14 year old who is going to virtual school to work 10 hours a week in some circumstances, what's wrong with that? When my kid is 14 and if he wants to work at a car wash for the summer or something, I have no problem with that. Better than sitting around playing video games and watching YouTube all day, that's for sure. And he wouldn't even meet the criteria and be allowed to.
Forcing a 13 year old to work 40 hours picking fruit would be another thing, but that doesn't seem like what is what's being pushed.
the “fake news “ posted on amt is astounding. Most posts here, if not all , regarding (the original immigrant story) Khalils detainment claimed he broke no laws and he has the exact same rights keeping his visa as citizens. there is significant fallacy there and omission of facts in that view. Bringing that up here causes arguments and personal attacks.