Dutch elections...hopefull???

Kushikushun

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2058502,00.html

the dutch are afraid of real men so they vote for harry potter and hope for magic

Please define real men...do you mean Pim Fortuyn with this?
Up till now, I only got the idea that you are trying to stir things up in here and that you are not really into the matter at hand...the elections we just had and what will happen next.
If you have an argument you would like to make, please make it in an argumented and thoughtfull manner instead of using Pim Fortuyns name in vain. What do you really know about him? I do not mind debating his arguments with you, but you do not seem to know what you are talking about and so I have been ignoring your insults. I have seen many interviews with Pim Fortuyn in which he gave an argumented review of his perspectives...I did not agree with him on many things, but I did on some. I do not think he was a rascist, he did not have to tell me what kind of "ethnic background" he had for me to understand this..I could understand it through his reasoning....!
I believe that Pim Fortuyns ideas and propaganda did not do a lot of good for our political and social situation and I wish he was still alive to help clean up the mess.

Again if you would like to argue about his perspectives I will gladly engage in a reasoned debate...but please read a few books on the topic and become informed in another way than wikipedia.
However, if you keep on throwing hollow phrases I will ignore you again, or inform a moderator if it really starts to bug me...
I hope that will not be necessary.

disconnected

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2058502,00.html

the dutch are afraid of real men so they vote for harry potter and hope for magic

I may hurt people now sorry for me doing that but here's my opinion about people voting harry snotter eh, potter:

#1 A lot of old people are used to vote CDA (Balkenende's AKA Harry Potter's partie ). So they are so stupid not looking at his ideas and voting on him and then start complaining for four years (till the next elections).
#2 Another group of people just vote him/CDA, because their parents vote on him/CDA. Also so stupid not looking at his ideas and voting on him and then start complaining for four years.....
#3 And we have a group that votes for him because he looks reliable..... Also so stupid not looking at his ideas and voting on him and then start complaining for four years....

They are so wrong not too look at the partie programms....

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

actually there are american indians that are democrats

So RavennaSeattle1911, why just don't you american indians start a political party or group or whatever you got in the US and let your voice be heard in Washington? I thought the US is a free country?

Kushikushun

Haha Disconnected daar gaan onze goede voornemens..out of the window...


But I do think you should mention a fourth party who truly beliefs in the ideals of the CDA..... 5% of them

disconnected

Kushikushun wrote:

Haha Disconnected daar gaan onze goede voornemens..out of the window...


But I do think you should mention a fourth party who truly beliefs in the ideals of the CDA..... 5% of them

Ik kon het gewoon niet meer laten

Obi Once

parel jam wrote:

SP = 25
PvdA = 33

Hmm i quoted the Volkskrant, guess it's outdated data since it said 98% votes counted or something of that origin. Anyhow, kan het niet laten..

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Political_parties_in_the_Netherlands

Yes..?

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2058502,00.html

Douglas Murray is the author of Neoconservatism: Why We Need It

the dutch are afraid of real men so they vote for harry potter and hope for magic

Neoconservatism, the end of the free world as we know it. These people will say anything to get their hidden agenda in action. Just look at all the good that Neoconservatism brought us so far!? Corrupt politicians, a civil war (or 3?) in the Middle East, yeah I'd believe anything the guy writes..

This guy gets a security detail and thinks the whole country is in fear of Islam

A society which should be carefree and inspiring has become dark and worried.

Haha dark and worried? We have a hobby terrorist who has been arrested a few times and now still is detained, real clever boy, having your face on the cover of every newspaper..

Don't get me wrong, there is something wrong with a minority of the Muslim community in this country, but as long as the moderate, liberal muslims have the mayority, I don't worry.

Holland — with its disproportionately high Muslim population — is the canary in the mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands#Variety
The vast majority of the population however still remains Dutch. They were: 80.8% Dutch, 2.4% German, 2.4% Indonesian (Indo-European, Indo-Dutch, Moluccan), 2.2% Turks, 2.0% Surinamese, 1.9% Moroccan, 1.5% Indian, 0.8% Antillean and Aruban, and 6.0% other.

And there is not 1 person in this thread who voted for the student of magic.

If there is one person in this election who walks in line with the Bush admin its Balkenende and I would have loved to see him leave.

Liberalism, freedom of thought and speech, a direct result of the age of enlightenment, that what shaped our western society is one of the few things I fully stand behind.

parel jam

Obi Once wrote:

Hmm i quoted the Volkskrant, guess it's outdated data since it said 98% votes counted or something of that origin. Anyhow, kan het niet laten..

Het ging om een restzetel meende ik...en een telling van stemmen uit het buitenland.

disconnected

I didn't see any response from RavennaSeattle1911 yet....

RavennaSeattle1911

what do i read?i have to much to do,,..pm me instead and ill see it

as for me i doubt id feel safe in nl and the way they treated this dutch friend of mine id say they help the forignors moreso-theyre screwed up there i think

maybe in 1970 it was ok -not now

parel jam

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

what do i read?i have to much to do,,..pm me instead and ill see it

as for me i doubt id feel safe in nl and the way they treated this dutch friend of mine id say they help the forignors moreso-theyre screwed up there i think

maybe in 1970 it was ok -not now

Dude, I've lived in the USA for about 8 months, went coast to coast and south to north...all I want to state right now is that I felt more safe in the Netherlands than at most places in the USA...

Obi Once

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

what do i read?i have to much to do,,..pm me instead and ill see it

as for me i doubt id feel safe in nl and the way they treated this dutch friend of mine id say they help the forignors moreso-theyre screwed up there i think

maybe in 1970 it was ok -not now

forignors? foreigners..

So you base your whole set of ideas of a country on the story of 1 friend (what happened to him?) and that neo conservative article?

I think that people who are closed and pre-opinionated (or paranoid) about others will always be scared, simply because they don't know the people they are talking about. At least we don't have to worry about the risk of being shot. Let's not make this into a competition of where its saver US or NL, but I'd never state I would feel safer in the US than in my country.

RavennaSeattle1911

if the people in nl dont wnat guns then ok -i know people both for and against guns in us-everyone has an opinion

whether the lack of guns is why there is less crime i doubt it

in chicago guns are illegal and lots of crime

in the county i live in there are maybe zero to 4 murders a year and theres lots of guns
i think im more afraid of luntics with a knife than a gun and afraid of cars

in uk i heard they drive fast

uk has a lot of crime i think

where in nl do you live ?small towns ok just like usa

i know a guy in amsterdam who says its terrible in parts -crime ridden

parel jam

Dus...

Het ziet erna uit dat we een coalitie krijgen van CDA, PvdA en SP...wel het meest voor de hand liggend...

RavennaSeattle1911

http://www.frommers.com/destinations/amsterdam/0043020452.html

i was trying to find crime rate there but so far cant

RavennaSeattle1911

parel jam wrote:

Dus...

Het ziet erna uit dat we een coalitie krijgen van CDA, PvdA en SP...wel het meest voor de hand liggend...

why are you repliyng in dutch?

get me crime statictics for amsterdam -i cant find a link



when hitler took all the guns away from people do you think that was good?

RavennaSeattle1911

a lot of things the dutch do are good like legaliseing marijuana and stopping gentically modified foods or do they?

but id say theyre too lenient on crime

so are rock stars in holland against guns and rock stars in usa for guns? i never really hear of usa rock stars campainging to take away guns -in fact ted nugent is a right wing crazy wacko

disconnected

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

what do i read?i have to much to do,,..pm me instead and ill see it

as for me i doubt id feel safe in nl and the way they treated this dutch friend of mine id say they help the forignors moreso-theyre screwed up there i think

maybe in 1970 it was ok -not now

This:

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2058502,00.html

the dutch are afraid of real men so they vote for harry potter and hope for magic

I may hurt people now sorry for me doing that but here's my opinion about people voting harry snotter eh, potter:

#1 A lot of old people are used to vote CDA (Balkenende's AKA Harry Potter's partie ). So they are so stupid not looking at his ideas and voting on him and then start complaining for four years (till the next elections).
#2 Another group of people just vote him/CDA, because their parents vote on him/CDA. Also so stupid not looking at his ideas and voting on him and then start complaining for four years.....
#3 And we have a group that votes for him because he looks reliable..... Also so stupid not looking at his ideas and voting on him and then start complaining for four years....

They are so wrong not too look at the partie programms....

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

actually there are american indians that are democrats

So RavennaSeattle1911, why just don't you american indians start a political party or group or whatever you got in the US and let your voice be heard in Washington? I thought the US is a free country?

And if you want some figures about crime rate, I will try find some.

disconnected

RavennaSeattle1911, you better learn dutch:
http://www.misdaadkaart.nl/home.php?mode=city

Enter the name of the city to see what crimes has been committed in the entered city.

More about crimes you can find over here: http://misdaad.startpagina.nl/
Beware, it's all Dutch

Kushikushun

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

so are rock stars in holland against guns and rock stars in usa for guns? i never really hear of usa rock stars campainging to take away guns -in fact ted nugent is a right wing crazy wacko

....forgot about PJ?

Kushikushun

....and Ravenna, you keep throwing new stuff up while not responding to our replies to your earlier quotes. I now fully understand why you would vote Pim Fortuyn as his campaign was much in the same manner: thowing out popular slogans, but never having a real answer to serious problems...!

I would like to ask everybody to stay on topic in this thread or open a new thread on the politics in the Netherlands compared to the USA :mad:

I haven't heard much about the coalition progress...have you guys? Have they actually started talking yet?

parel jam

Not that much I guess...CDA is not making progress