Dutch elections...hopefull???

Obi Once

melodious wrote:

obi, this is sort of like arnie schwarzneiger.....he doesn't rep the working class of cali; but yet he beat out both the democrats and the independents....can't understand that at all....

Well there is a comparison possible, Balkenende pretends to represent the working class, yet the lower and middle class had to pay most during his reighn. I think people are weary of change.

Pim Fortuyn was a populist with extremish right features, he was the one man making sort of sense in his party, after he was murdered (shame tho) his party made a mockery of Dutch politics.

I am still in doubt, I want Balkenende out of office, but I am a liberal, but D66 is marginalized... Do I go for a strategic or idealistic vote?

disconnected

Thumbing_My_Way wrote:

goedzo

Ja maar het kromme ervan is, dat hij het UWV op wil heffen en het werk naar de gemeente wil verplaatsen, laat mij nou eens bij UWV werken :(

Aan de andere kant hoop ik op een kabinet met in ieder geval PvdA en SP en daarbij de hoop dat opheffen van UWV niet een accoord wordt.

rebornFixer

I still think that the murder of Van Gogh is symptomatic of a much greater problem, that isn't just going to go away on its own. Not sure what the best way to deal with the problem really is.

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reborncareerist wrote:

I still think that the murder of Van Gogh is symptomatic of a much greater problem, that isn't just going to go away on its own. Not sure what the best way to deal with the problem really is.

Well if it is, I will emigrate to another country....

Klumpie

Zo lang het maar geen Balkellende wordt vind ik het best.

Kushikushun

disconnected wrote:

Well if it is, I will emigrate to another country....

Where to go though...??

Obi Once

reborncareerist wrote:

I still think that the murder of Van Gogh is symptomatic of a much greater problem, that isn't just going to go away on its own. Not sure what the best way to deal with the problem really is.

Is can be compared to what happened in the suburbs in Paris. There is a part of the community that feels ex-communicated and becomes alienated. The problem is that they are open to radical, anti-social thoughts, in this case of an Imam that lectures in a mosk that lies within a 5 minute walk from my home.

The problem in a nutshell: There came immigrants in the 60s / 70s that were asumed to leave after some years, but didnt, they had a completely different view on life and relations than we are used to as western 'enlightened' folks. Due to the idea of them leaving, no effort was made to teach our values, hence they never integrated in our society, at least some. Now from within that community is a movement growing that rejects violence and accepts womens rights, hopefully they will be the mayority in time.

How to deal with it? Give people equal chances on the good life.

Obi Once

Kushikushun wrote:

Where to go though...??

CANADA!

planetprotect-her

I hate polatics but nothing political is small. Over here in the U.S. we have the same problems, we have lost our voice.When the towers fell it give many countries an excuse to scare the shit out of its people,resulting in this neo concervative facshitty situation. I feel your anger . Do what a few of us over here with some balls do . PROTEST make them hear your anger.

Margo

It is funny that almost everyone I know as well as the people here on the forum tend to vote for left wing parties. Must be the "type" of people I hang out with. I will vote for SP myself. Although there is no way that left wing parties will have a majority among the 3 of them. I guess the same goes for CDA/PVDA or CDA/VVD. There is really no way of predicting what our new government will be like.

parel jam

Okay Dutch jammers: did we all vote today?

I just did - Agnes Kant (SP)...I always vote for a woman...

Kushikushun

JUst leaving to gove up my two votes...one will be for PVDA. The other eather SP or GRoenlinks.
And I always vote for a woman too....or a handsome guy...lol, thus..not much choice there...

Kushikushun

GO DUTCHIES!!!! Turn the table, pleeeease!

disconnected

Kushikushun wrote:

Where to go though...??

Canada will be nice

I VOTED AND PRAYING FOR A SP/PVDA/GROENLINKS COALITION!!!!:D

parel jam

Voting results (so far)

1. CDA (Christian Democratic Party - although they're not christian to me) 43 seats
2. PvdA (Labour) 35 seats
3. SP (Socialistic Party) 24 seats
4. VVD (Democratic Party) 21 seats
5. GroenLinks (Green Party) 8 seats
6. Partij voor Vrijheid (Freedom's Party) 6 seats
7. CU (Christian's United) 5 seats
8. Partij voor de Dieren (Animal's Party) 3 seats

and some others...

small town beck

disconnected wrote:

Canada will be nice

I VOTED AND PRAYING FOR A SP/PVDA/GROENLINKS COALITION!!!!:D

Of course, you are always welcome here

disconnected

small town beck wrote:

Of course, you are always welcome here

Thanks!
I will bring some European wine when that day comes!

disconnected

Voting results:

CDA 41 seats (had 44 seats)
PvdA 32 seats (had 42 seats)
VVD 22 seats (had 28 seats)
SP 26 seats (had 9 seats)
Fortuyn 0 (had 8 seats)
GroenLinks 7 seats (had 8 seats)
D'66 3 seats (had 6 seats)
CU (Christian's United) 6 seats (had 3 seats)
SGP 2 (had 2 seats )
Partij voor Vrijheid 9 seats (new)
Partij voor de Dieren (Animal's Party- new) 2 seats

Source: http://www.nederlandkiest.nl/

My coalition choice: CDA/PvdA/SP

Kushikushun

Obi Once wrote:

CANADA!

I would love to go to Canada! Many dutchies have preceded us already...
Me and my boyfriend want to go on a trip through Canada someday soon and try to get some work experience there. I first have to finish my study and then we are setting things up. Can't wait!

Kushikushun

disconnected wrote:

Voting results:

CDA 41 seats (had 44 seats)
PvdA 32 seats (had 42 seats)
VVD 22 seats (had 28 seats)
SP 26 seats (had 9 seats)
Fortuyn 0 (had 8 seats)
GroenLinks 7 seats (had 8 seats)
D'66 3 seats (had 6 seats)
CU (Christian's United) 6 seats (had 3 seats)
SGP 2 (had 2 seats )
Partij voor Vrijheid 9 seats (new)
Partij voor de Dieren (Animal's Party- new) 2 seats

:eek: we are a bit in a mess right now, aren't we... which way to turn?
Just saw the party leaders on a tv programm discussing the options they have. Either CDA with PVDA...but Wouter Bos (PVDA) thinks their parties are too divided and he has lost seats so the SP should be the first to try out with CDA. Then Jan Marijnissen from the SP said he felt there are really big bumps on that road, but he is willing to start talking. The Christen Democrats-leader said he would like to join in that coalition. And then of course our alien Geert Wilders (party of "freedom"...but not for Islamic people :mad: ) opened his mouth and figured that the other rightwing parties closed him out which helped give the power to the lefties. He has won seats and now claims power....agggrrhhh how can people vote for this clown with his yellow hair and his Ernie shaped face. Who invented this guy anyway??

I am very very dissapointed that CDA is the biggest party again, because I just had ENOUGH of BakEllende with his Harry Potter face (which is an insult to Harry actually)...and his voice...aggrr brrr...
But well in this situation I would like CDA to govern with SP and CD, or even better CDA with PVDA and SP. But I don't want either SP or PVDA to give up on their standpoints!!

Difficult system we have here, but at least it feels quite democratic to be able to choose from a diversity of parties.

p.s. When Geert Wilders party gets in the government...I'm GONE..long gone..this time I'm letting go of it all...So long...cause this time I'm GOOOOOONE..!!

Houdoe he!