Dutch elections...hopefull???

Kushikushun

So, I know for many of you this is a tiny issue in a tiny country...but hee its important for about 16 million people here.
The politics in Holland have been riding on a wild horse these last 5 years. Tension has risen to the extreme resulting in the death of a political leader and a filmdirector and many social problems more.
Now I don't know about you, but I am feeling the tide turning a bit.
People seem more conscious of what this tension and aggresion has lead to....some mad actions of our political leaders (putting illigal immigrants AND their children behind bars...where they might accidently get burned in a fire) ...(Throwing our privacy into the dumpyard).

There seems to be a lighter atmosphere around the elections than some years ago. However, I do not really enjoy all those politicians showing up on every channel and in every kids-show on my television.

I am very curious to see what we are going to be voting for next! I am a lefty but I am in no way sure that a leftish government will truly be good for the country. But I DO NOT want another 4 years of looking at Balkenende, Donner and Verdonk....

I am actually at loss here....

So what are your thoughts on it all?

Sonja_S

Sorry, I don't know much about Dutch politics. I do of course remember the murder of Theo van Gogh and the fire you mentioned. I think I know what you mean though. We had elections a month ago and it doesn't look like we'll have a functioning coalition government soon, if they don't finally get their heads out their asses.

disconnected

I am Dutch and I am really pleased we have elections...

I want to see that fucking c*&ks&^%ing prime-minister Balkenende go to some bandoned island..... What else I'm thinking I won't tell ya! But it sure isn't good....

Kushikushun

@ disconnected.....so who would you chose to replace him and his @#$%^&*&$ crew?

Haha, I was trying to stay polite in the first message, but I am sooo with you on this subject!

disconnected

Yeah, let Balkende s&ck Bush' c*&k.......

esther1977

Yep im watching forward to the election and i really hope it isn't gonna be anoter victory for Balkenende. Did you guys see the debat on tv last friday??
I don't think he has any idea what he's talking about.

And what are you gonna vote??
I think well i know im gonna vote for SP hope they can make a difference..

Kushikushun

esther1977 wrote:

And what are you gonna vote??
I think well i know im gonna vote for SP hope they can make a difference..

I actually have two votes as my sister lives abroad. So two out of the three PVDA, SP or Groenlinks....

I guess we are lucky we don't have the two party system...haha and they call that a democracy...

wendy1976

i still did not decide what i am going to vote....stil trying to make up my mind but there is not one i fully agree with....or agree with enough to give them my vote.Stil reading and trying to figure it out pfff

Obi Once

I'm surprised many people around me would rather see Balkenende have another term instead of Bos. The thing I hear is that they don't trust him, mainly because he worked for Shell.

I think Bos made a good point friday on Balkenende's behavoir in Washington. And I also think he could lead ths country. I'm not sure yet who will get my vote, but the choice is limited to 3 parties.

Kushikushun

Obi Once wrote:

I'm surprised many people around me would rather see Balkenende have another term instead of Bos. The thing I hear is that they don't trust him, mainly because he worked for Shell.

I am truly hoping that they wont vote CDA just because of that reason??? The only one I really trust are Marijnissen and Halsema, but I don't think they would be leader-material...

If you still haven't made a choice http://www.kieskompas.nl is quite a good one. It is funny to see that on some subjects you agree most with the party you would never ever vote on!

Goodluck....but please go and vote!!!!

Riot_Rain

I'm going to be voting too... Via the internet, as I live abroad

I did the Kieswijzer... And according to that I should vote either SP or... Partij voor Dieren!!! Not sure what to think about that!

disconnected

Oh, please don't vote SP!

Dat kost mijn baan! Ze willen het werk van UWV onderbrengen bij de gemeentes...

parel jam

esther1977 wrote:

And what are you gonna vote??
I think well i know im gonna vote for SP hope they can make a difference..

Me too...but to be honest - I don't think we have good candidates for being the prime-minister...I don't like Bos and I don't like Balkenende...

parel jam

disconnected wrote:

Oh, please don't vote SP!

Dat kost mijn baan! Ze willen het werk van UWV onderbrengen bij de gemeentes...

Is gemeente Leeuwarden dan niks? Ik denk dat het in de praktijk niets van terechtkomt...een soorgelijk iets wilde het PvdA ook - waterschappen opheffen...

Obi Once

Kushikushun wrote:

I am truly hoping that they wont vote CDA just because of that reason??? The only one I really trust are Marijnissen and Halsema, but I don't think they would be leader-material...

Don't worry none of them will vote CDA in any way, but VVD and Rutte is likely.

If you still haven't made a choice http://www.kieskompas.nl is quite a good one. It is funny to see that on some subjects you agree most with the party you would never ever vote on!

I havent checked that one yet, thanks

Goodluck....but please go and vote!!!!

No worries I always vote!

Obi Once

Double post

disconnected

parel jam wrote:

Is gemeente Leeuwarden dan niks? Ik denk dat het in de praktijk niets van terechtkomt...een soorgelijk iets wilde het PvdA ook - waterschappen opheffen...

Dat is misschien wel zo, maar stel je voor dat het wel zo is dan hebben wij een probleem. De meeste gemeentes hier hebben al boventallige medewerkers. Deze moeten nog herplaatst worden binnen de gemeente....

Maar ja, een kabinet van PvdA, SP en Groenlinks zie ik wel zitten!

Kushikushun

Obi Once wrote:

Don't worry none of them will vote CDA in any way, but VVD and Rutte is likely.

That's even worse!!!

Obi Once

Kushikushun wrote:

That's even worse!!!

Think so? I agree Rita is a bitch, but CDA also has people like Kamp, Veerman and Balkende imho the shame of this administration.

parel jam

Obi Once wrote:

Think so? I agree Rita is a bitch, but CDA also has people like Kamp, Veerman and Balkende imho the shame of this administration.

Yeah, totally....

Kushikushun

Obi Once wrote:

Think so? I agree Rita is a bitch, but CDA also has people like Kamp, Veerman and Balkende imho the shame of this administration.

OK, equally bad then...hehe.
So now that our Anerican friends have been able to turn the table, lets see what we can do here....!

Kushikushun

Obi Once wrote:

Think so? I agree Rita is a bitch...

Rita is not only that, she is completely incompetent!!!!! Aggggrrrhhhh, hmpf just had to let that out! I am sorry, its just that I spend a great time teaching NT2 lessons to fugitive students and heard all their stories...I am a tiny bit biased I guess.

Obi Once

Kushikushun wrote:

OK, equally bad then...hehe.
So now that our Anerican friends have been able to turn the table, lets see what we can do here....!

I expect some change, but it's a close call if PvdA (sort of Dutch labbour) will win from CDA (Christian conservatives) and be able to make a coalition without them, but if SP (socialists) get the votes the polls give them, change is garanteed.

Kushikushun wrote:

Rita is not only that, she is completely incompetent!!!!! Aggggrrrhhhh, hmpf just had to let that out! I am sorry, its just that I spend a great time teaching NT2 lessons to fugitive students and heard all their stories...I am a tiny bit biased I guess.

NT2?
Verdonk is a puppet with a bad spindoctor who wants to create a female version of the heritage Fortuijn.

disconnected

Well, I actually think we'd better make sure we get PvdA, SP and Groenlinks as the leading parties in Holland.

Kushikushun

Obi Once wrote:

NT2?

NT2= Dutch language as a second language. It was a group of foreign students who first had to learn Dutch before they could enter the "normal" system. I teached them fine arts. But after all the bull**** from Pim and others alike a lot of fugitive 'camps' were closed in the area.

Obi Once wrote:

Verdonk is a puppet with a bad spindoctor who wants to create a female version of the heritage Fortuijn.

Right on!

Still 12 days till lift off.....

Kushikushun

Still 4 days untill lift off....I am getting nervous. Seems like Balkenende is taking over a bit.
What should we do; give all the votes to the PVDA so they can finally take over, or just vote for the party that we like most?

Kushikushun

Kushikushun wrote:

Still 4 days untill lift off....I am getting nervous. Seems like Balkenende is taking over a bit.
What should we do; give all the votes to the PVDA so they can finally take over, or just vote for the party that we like most?

hmmm, just wanted to say that pVDA is also not all what it should be, but well better than our man of "values and morals" Balken-einde!!

Cuntified C

Ik ben engelse maar ik aan het nederlans leren! Ik heb veel gehoord over de problemen in de Nederlands een de vermoord van Theo Van Gogh een Pim Fortyn! Het zou me niet verbasen als in de toekomst zijn er meer van misdaads en problemen tussen de muslims en de andere personen die daar ook wonen!

Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if tension between the muslims and non muslims were to increase or a terrorist attack were to take place at some point in the future. Not that I would wish for that on anyone, in any country no matter what. I have heard that in the recent past, 4 muslims houses were burned down by middle class dutch people. Not even the yobs but the middle class, well educated, ought to know better class of people. My Dutch friend told me this because his sister lives in the Hague and it was on her street that all this shit took place!

Obi Once

Cuntified C wrote:

Ik ben engelse maar ik aan het nederlans leren! Ik heb veel gehoord over de problemen in de Nederlands een de vermoord van Theo Van Gogh een Pim Fortyn! Het zou me niet verbasen als in de toekomst zijn er meer van misdaads en problemen tussen de muslims en de andere personen die daar ook wonen!

Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if tension between the muslims and non muslims were to increase or a terrorist attack were to take place at some point in the future. Not that I would wish for that on anyone, in any country no matter what. I have heard that in the recent past, 4 muslims houses were burned down by middle class dutch people. Not even the yobs but the middle class, well educated, ought to know better class of people. My Dutch friend told me this because his sister lives in the Hague and it was on her street that all this shit took place!

Ahh my hometown! Yes I remember that incident, but 4 houses? Umm I dunno..

I don't see any terrorist action in a near future happening here, but I could be wrong. And yes there are tensions, but I think they are the same with almost every society that have groups of different etnicity.

Leuk dat je Nederlands leert, het gaat best goed.
Nice to see that you're learning Dutch, and getting pretty good at it.

Obi Once

Kushikushun wrote:

Still 4 days untill lift off....I am getting nervous. Seems like Balkenende is taking over a bit.
What should we do; give all the votes to the PVDA so they can finally take over, or just vote for the party that we like most?

I'm leaning towards voting PvdA. I want to see change and Balkenende and Verdonk out of office.

Edit:

Maybe this sheds some light for non-Dutch readers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_politics#States-General

melodious

Obi Once wrote:

I'm surprised many people around me would rather see Balkenende have another term instead of Bos. The thing I hear is that they don't trust him, mainly because he worked for Shell.

I think Bos made a good point friday on Balkenende's behavoir in Washington. And I also think he could lead ths country. I'm not sure yet who will get my vote, but the choice is limited to 3 parties.

obi, this is sort of like arnie schwarzneiger.....he doesn't rep the working class of cali; but yet he beat out both the democrats and the independents....can't understand that at all....