Koningin Beatrix heeft op zaterdag 2 december 2006 telefonisch contact gehad met informateur Hoekstra. Hoekstra heeft de Koningin ingelicht over de voortgang in de informatiewerkzaamheden.
De informateur had vrijdag en zaterdag vervolggesprekken met de fractievoorzitters van de SP, de PvdA en het CDA. Daarvoor sprak hij met alle fractievoorzitters uit de Tweede Kamer.
Informateur Hoekstra onderzoekt welke meerderheidskabinetten mogelijk zijn, de bereidheid van partijen om aan een kabinet deel te nemen en over welke onderwerpen moet worden onderhandeld.
a lot of things the dutch do are good like legaliseing marijuana and stopping gentically modified foods or do they?
but id say theyre too lenient on crime
so are rock stars in holland against guns and rock stars in usa for guns? i never really hear of usa rock stars campainging to take away guns -in fact ted nugent is a right wing crazy wacko
Marijuana is not actually legal, it's decriminalised. It's strange because you hit Amsterdam and you can fucking smell the stuff as soon as you arrive and there are coffee shops on every street corner, I swear to God. But yet it still isn't strictly legal it's decriminalised which means you can smoke it but not out on the streets and if you cause any trouble in their country, and they see you have that on you, they can still use it to kick you out of their country.
i was trying to find crime rate there but so far cant
Not a bad article! I havent read it in full, but
Authorities are not duty-bound to prosecute criminal acts, which leaves a loophole for social experimentation in areas that technically are illegal. It has been wryly said that the Netherlands has one of the lowest crime rates in Europe because whenever something becomes a criminal problem, the Dutch make it legal, thereby reducing crime at a stroke.
alltho this is non sense.. the dutch law doesnt bend for anything that becomes a problem. yet it doesnt make prostitution, weed, abortion and euthanesia illegal, since these our choices of free people and as long as nobody else is hurt by these things.. prostitution is a though one tho, but the whip of law is cracking down on the red light district in A'dam as we speak.
Supplying free heroin to addicts, with medical support, has helped prevent the spread of HIV and slashed the drug's street price so that addicts commit fewer crimes to feed their habit. Both health-care and law-enforcement costs have gone down. The Netherlands has significantly lower rates of heroin addiction, drug use and drug addiction in general, and drug-related deaths, than Britain, France, Germany, and other west European countries that criticize Holland so fiercely on this issue.
Yes junkies who would steal and rob for their heroin are kept of the streets and dont bother anyone, whats the problem?
....and Ravenna, you keep throwing new stuff up while not responding to our replies to your earlier quotes. I now fully understand why you would vote Pim Fortuyn as his campaign was much in the same manner: thowing out popular slogans, but never having a real answer to serious problems...!
Kushikushun 1 - 0 Ravenna
There's no discussion in this guy/girls posts it's just blind screaming and pointing without having an idea what its about, I think we should just ignore those posts like on earlier pages, they make no sense at all.
I would like to ask everybody to stay on topic in this thread or open a new thread on the politics in the Netherlands compared to the USA :mad:
I haven't heard much about the coalition progress...have you guys? Have they actually started talking yet?
Yeah but CDA is not giving any preference so it's kinda going nowhere, just like a few years ago w/ CDA PvdA. Still can't believe CDA got a mayority :mad:
WHAHAHAAA What the hell is gentically modified food? And whats the Q for that matter
It is an interesting matter as many of the things Ravenna TRIES to point out are...but she just does it in the wrong way pushing the wrong buttons..!!
I don't mind discussing our politics with foreigners who think our policies on abortion/ softdrugs / etc are strange though.
Allthough I have not been very happy with our political situation here, I am still happy to be living in such a progressive country.
So, as a reply to Ravenna once more, the Dutch are not easy-going, in the middle of nowhere, soft-spoken people at all...we dare to discuss things that are taboo in most countries (such as yours) and come up with solutions.
The thing is that before the hard line taken by people such as Wilders and Fortuyn, these things would be thoughtfully debated instead of just shouting a bunch of cr*p. Things are neither black nor white and I would be very happy if our government would start to balance their actions more instead of following popular opinion like a bunch of sheeps (pretending to be the wolves...).
We are famous for our open debating system to come to concensus..although I agree it can become annoying and passive, which is a flaw of the system.
Ravenna are you gonna respond to my messages any time soon, maybe?..I am still trying to keep the debate OPEN...maybe would even open another thread for this!
Groetjes allemaal!!
Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
Thanks,...but this is not what I am in for. Its not a game to me, I seriously feel this things. I am not trying to put someone down, and I hope I havent...
I might have though and I am sorry for that, its just that I cannot stand it when people just write something down without explaining themselves properly or respond in a sensible way to other peoples responses.
Oh i understand and it's very straight forward exactly what he is doing, just keeps pushing topics without debating any. I for one am not trying to put him down or anything it's just the plain truth that u wrote down. I'm done with responding if it's just looked over and another 'statement' is dropped in out of the blue.
I've learned on this forum that there are people who will not participate in a discussion, but only add 'their ideas', they won't learn or illustrate anything or be interested in other points of view, they just wanna rant.
And yes it's very questionable why people are open to ideas of Fortuyn or Wilders. All they do is point at a group (minority) of people and blame 'm, like Hitler did with the Jews (if you wanna compare anyone to Hitler like done earlier in this thread). I know 1 person who said he would vote for Wilders and I questioned him why and all he could come up with were things that bothered him about the large amount of foreighn people in his part of town. I asked why he wouldnt move and vote for someone who had actual ideas instead of short sighted generalisations? He didnt answer to that..
And yes I also love my country even tho I don't love everything that happens, I wouldnt want to live anywhere else.. Altho a tropicial island with decent waves would be nice.
Oh i understand and it's very straight forward exactly what he is doing, just keeps pushing topics without debating any. I for one am not trying to put him down or anything it's just the plain truth that u wrote down. I'm done with responding if it's just looked over and another 'statement' is dropped in out of the blue.
I've learned on this forum that there are people who will not participate in a discussion, but only add 'their ideas', they won't learn or illustrate anything or be interested in other points of view, they just wanna rant.
And yes it's very questionable why people are open to ideas of Fortuyn or Wilders. All they do is point at a group (minority) of people and blame 'm, like Hitler did with the Jews (if you wanna compare anyone to Hitler like done earlier in this thread). I know 1 person who said he would vote for Wilders and I questioned him why and all he could come up with were things that bothered him about the large amount of foreighn people in his part of town. I asked why he wouldnt move and vote for someone who had actual ideas instead of short sighted generalisations? He didnt answer to that..
And yes I also love my country even tho I don't love everything that happens, I wouldnt want to live anywhere else.. Altho a tropicial island with decent waves would be nice.
Thanks for understanding...I am ready to just talk amongst ourselves here and ignore the ranting!
Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
Oh i understand and it's very straight forward exactly what he is doing, just keeps pushing topics without debating any. I for one am not trying to put him down or anything it's just the plain truth that u wrote down. I'm done with responding if it's just looked over and another 'statement' is dropped in out of the blue.
I've learned on this forum that there are people who will not participate in a discussion, but only add 'their ideas', they won't learn or illustrate anything or be interested in other points of view, they just wanna rant.
And yes it's very questionable why people are open to ideas of Fortuyn or Wilders. All they do is point at a group (minority) of people and blame 'm, like Hitler did with the Jews (if you wanna compare anyone to Hitler like done earlier in this thread). I know 1 person who said he would vote for Wilders and I questioned him why and all he could come up with were things that bothered him about the large amount of foreighn people in his part of town. I asked why he wouldnt move and vote for someone who had actual ideas instead of short sighted generalisations? He didnt answer to that..
And yes I also love my country even tho I don't love everything that happens, I wouldnt want to live anywhere else.. Altho a tropicial island with decent waves would be nice.
Thanks for understanding...I am ready to just talk amongst ourselves here and ignore the ranting!
I could live on such an island, with my guy and PJ coming around to play some nice music while we are all sitting by the fire on the beach...awww...*wants to keep on dreaming*
Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
And I know its off topic..hope you guys dont mind...but do you have the same strange attraction to mountainous areas as I have. I believe it is because of the lack of having any over here. Also I am a big fan of very wide landscapes without a house or other construction in sight, propably same side-effect from living in this tiny over-organised country..
Although must say that living in Peru for a while made me appreciate our organised, green and flat piece of land more!..though I love Peru too..
Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
And I know its off topic..hope you guys dont mind...but do you have the same strange attraction to mountainous areas as I have. I believe it is because of the lack of having any over here. Also I am a big fan of very wide landscapes without a house or other construction in sight, propably same side-effect from living in this tiny over-organised country..
Although must say that living in Peru for a while made me appreciate our organised, green and flat piece of land more!..though I love Peru too..
AHG, I really like areas with mountains and really enjoying landscapes without seeïng any buildings/houses/or whatever......Seeïng as far as you can.....
Once on the boat to England I enjoyed watching around without seeïng any land! Also beautifull!
you say nothing is black or white-thats how the dutch are -always debating things but never coming to conclusions but maybe the whole world is like that
are all abortions legal there?i think in sweden or norway only up to 16 weeks
And I know its off topic..hope you guys dont mind...but do you have the same strange attraction to mountainous areas as I have. I believe it is because of the lack of having any over here. Also I am a big fan of very wide landscapes without a house or other construction in sight, propably same side-effect from living in this tiny over-organised country..
Although must say that living in Peru for a while made me appreciate our organised, green and flat piece of land more!..though I love Peru too..
Thats imo due to the fact that we lack a horizon, unless you live near the sea. Not many options at seeing a horizon when u live in urban areas. I think that's also another reason I love living near the sea.
And for Ravenna: http://www.worldmayor.com/results06/wm_winners06.html
In 2nd place:
Job Cohen, Mayor of Amsterdam, boasts an enviable record in national and city politics, academia and broadcasting, with plaudits from a range of opinion makers for his inclusive approach to politics and city life. In 2005, Cohen was named one of Time magazine’s ‘European Heroes’ for his stand on the notorious murder of film-maker Theo van Gogh in an Amsterdam street in November 2004. Cohen led the city’s people in street protests, calling for unity and tolerance. Since the murder, which Cohen himself was targeted by the assassin, the mayor has sought to bring together the capital’s immigrant communities to facilitate dialogue against extremism, both by and directed at Muslim immigrants, in order to maintain its famous reputation for tolerance and liberal attitudes. In an essay, which opens with lines from Jacque Brel’s ‘In the port of Amsterdam’, Mayor Cohen writes: “Amsterdam, a modern city with all the problems, opportunities and, above all, its special aspects, is one of the smallest ‘world cities’. Some 170 nationalities make up its 750,000 inhabitants.” One commentator agreed wholeheartedly: “In a city like Amsterdam, with citizens from over 170 national backgrounds and an equally diverse ethnic population, the importance of understanding ethnic relations and their sensitivities cannot be overestimated. Among many Amsterdam people, there have been serious suggestions for Mr Cohen to take up the candidacy for Prime Minister. I'm convinced that Mr Cohen's role as a mayor will be remembered for a very long time after he completes his term, in a positive way. It would be very good if he became the winner of World Mayor 2006, because it would mean a boost to those who work for harmony and peace - which in the current trends are not widely appreciated by the popular media.”
Hey dutchies! Anyone heard the news today? No SP in the coalition....
Off course not - Balkie doesn't want to...
Let's see how stubborn Bos is...will he co-operate with Balk? If not - either (1) new elections or (2) a new government after the province elections next March (with PvdA)...
Let's see how stubborn Bos is...will he co-operate with Balk? If not - either (1) new elections or (2) a new government after the province elections next March (with PvdA)...
PvdA is afraid to lose more votes to SP...
As I may speak Zennish again: Fate will decide what happens...
I'd prefer new votings with no one voting a partie because her/his mommy or daddy did....... Damn fools
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De informateur had vrijdag en zaterdag vervolggesprekken met de fractievoorzitters van de SP, de PvdA en het CDA. Daarvoor sprak hij met alle fractievoorzitters uit de Tweede Kamer.
Informateur Hoekstra onderzoekt welke meerderheidskabinetten mogelijk zijn, de bereidheid van partijen om aan een kabinet deel te nemen en over welke onderwerpen moet worden onderhandeld.
Source: http://www.kabinetsformatie2006.nl/index.jsp
Marijuana is not actually legal, it's decriminalised. It's strange because you hit Amsterdam and you can fucking smell the stuff as soon as you arrive and there are coffee shops on every street corner, I swear to God. But yet it still isn't strictly legal it's decriminalised which means you can smoke it but not out on the streets and if you cause any trouble in their country, and they see you have that on you, they can still use it to kick you out of their country.
Kushikushun 1 - 0 Ravenna
There's no discussion in this guy/girls posts it's just blind screaming and pointing without having an idea what its about, I think we should just ignore those posts like on earlier pages, they make no sense at all. Yeah but CDA is not giving any preference so it's kinda going nowhere, just like a few years ago w/ CDA PvdA. Still can't believe CDA got a mayority :mad:
Small towns suck.
It is an interesting matter as many of the things Ravenna TRIES to point out are...but she just does it in the wrong way pushing the wrong buttons..!!
I don't mind discussing our politics with foreigners who think our policies on abortion/ softdrugs / etc are strange though.
Allthough I have not been very happy with our political situation here, I am still happy to be living in such a progressive country.
So, as a reply to Ravenna once more, the Dutch are not easy-going, in the middle of nowhere, soft-spoken people at all...we dare to discuss things that are taboo in most countries (such as yours) and come up with solutions.
The thing is that before the hard line taken by people such as Wilders and Fortuyn, these things would be thoughtfully debated instead of just shouting a bunch of cr*p. Things are neither black nor white and I would be very happy if our government would start to balance their actions more instead of following popular opinion like a bunch of sheeps (pretending to be the wolves...).
We are famous for our open debating system to come to concensus..although I agree it can become annoying and passive, which is a flaw of the system.
Ravenna are you gonna respond to my messages any time soon, maybe?..I am still trying to keep the debate OPEN...maybe would even open another thread for this!
Groetjes allemaal!!
Thanks,...but this is not what I am in for. Its not a game to me, I seriously feel this things. I am not trying to put someone down, and I hope I havent...
I might have though and I am sorry for that, its just that I cannot stand it when people just write something down without explaining themselves properly or respond in a sensible way to other peoples responses.
That's it...no more...tralalatwidelididi...Hakuna Matata...etc.
I've learned on this forum that there are people who will not participate in a discussion, but only add 'their ideas', they won't learn or illustrate anything or be interested in other points of view, they just wanna rant.
And yes it's very questionable why people are open to ideas of Fortuyn or Wilders. All they do is point at a group (minority) of people and blame 'm, like Hitler did with the Jews (if you wanna compare anyone to Hitler like done earlier in this thread). I know 1 person who said he would vote for Wilders and I questioned him why and all he could come up with were things that bothered him about the large amount of foreighn people in his part of town. I asked why he wouldnt move and vote for someone who had actual ideas instead of short sighted generalisations? He didnt answer to that..
And yes I also love my country even tho I don't love everything that happens, I wouldnt want to live anywhere else.. Altho a tropicial island with decent waves would be nice.
He's speachless?
Thanks for understanding...I am ready to just talk amongst ourselves here and ignore the ranting!
Thanks for understanding...I am ready to just talk amongst ourselves here and ignore the ranting!
I could live on such an island, with my guy and PJ coming around to play some nice music while we are all sitting by the fire on the beach...awww...*wants to keep on dreaming*
Although must say that living in Peru for a while made me appreciate our organised, green and flat piece of land more!..though I love Peru too..
AHG, I really like areas with mountains and really enjoying landscapes without seeïng any buildings/houses/or whatever......Seeïng as far as you can.....
Once on the boat to England I enjoyed watching around without seeïng any land! Also beautifull!
i cant follow all the things on this
you say nothing is black or white-thats how the dutch are -always debating things but never coming to conclusions but maybe the whole world is like that
are all abortions legal there?i think in sweden or norway only up to 16 weeks
uk and nl and usa are allowing more i think
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw
And for those who mised the news this morning:
http://www.nu.nl/news/907164/11/Spanning_over_generaal_pardon.html
VVD is pissing on the choice of the congres
And for Ravenna:
http://www.worldmayor.com/results06/wm_winners06.html
In 2nd place:
Job Cohen, Mayor of Amsterdam, boasts an enviable record in national and city politics, academia and broadcasting, with plaudits from a range of opinion makers for his inclusive approach to politics and city life. In 2005, Cohen was named one of Time magazine’s ‘European Heroes’ for his stand on the notorious murder of film-maker Theo van Gogh in an Amsterdam street in November 2004. Cohen led the city’s people in street protests, calling for unity and tolerance. Since the murder, which Cohen himself was targeted by the assassin, the mayor has sought to bring together the capital’s immigrant communities to facilitate dialogue against extremism, both by and directed at Muslim immigrants, in order to maintain its famous reputation for tolerance and liberal attitudes. In an essay, which opens with lines from Jacque Brel’s ‘In the port of Amsterdam’, Mayor Cohen writes: “Amsterdam, a modern city with all the problems, opportunities and, above all, its special aspects, is one of the smallest ‘world cities’. Some 170 nationalities make up its 750,000 inhabitants.” One commentator agreed wholeheartedly: “In a city like Amsterdam, with citizens from over 170 national backgrounds and an equally diverse ethnic population, the importance of understanding ethnic relations and their sensitivities cannot be overestimated. Among many Amsterdam people, there have been serious suggestions for Mr Cohen to take up the candidacy for Prime Minister. I'm convinced that Mr Cohen's role as a mayor will be remembered for a very long time after he completes his term, in a positive way. It would be very good if he became the winner of World Mayor 2006, because it would mean a boost to those who work for harmony and peace - which in the current trends are not widely appreciated by the popular media.”
I hope so. I need to visit there soon.
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I am betting we'll be standing in front of the voting machine pretty soon...again...
Yeah...come visit!
Where are you planning to visit?
Well, fate will decide for us
So if we have to vote again, we just vote again.....
Thats very zennish...LOL...
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw
Well, that's just me... Fate will decide..... So I voted and now I'll sit and wait what is gonna happen next
Huh? Server? Slow? What do you mean?
Well, we can start a thread in All Encompassing Trip for communicating in Dutch/English. The links to translationsites will be in the first post
Personally I don't mind having the SP in the opposition once again...maybe they are ready in 4 years from now.
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That isn't bad. CU is more to left then CDA and as long we have no VVD and D'66 in it, I'm oke with this.
Let's see how stubborn Bos is...will he co-operate with Balk? If not - either (1) new elections or (2) a new government after the province elections next March (with PvdA)...
PvdA is afraid to lose more votes to SP...
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As I may speak Zennish again: Fate will decide what happens...
I'd prefer new votings with no one voting a partie because her/his mommy or daddy did....... Damn fools