'...hunger is an ongoing issue. Food security for Gaza's 1.5 million people has also been steadily deteriorating. (Food insecurity, according to the United Nations, describes the circumstance in which people cannot be sure of getting access to adequate supplies of nutritious and safe food.)
A U.N. World Food Program initiative called Emergency Food Needs Assessment showed that 51 percent of Palestinians are food insecure in the occupied territory as a whole, with 70 percent food insecure in Gaza.
The main factors affecting Palestinians' access to food, exacerbated by the second intifada, are Israeli imposed restrictions on their internal and external movement. Limited Palestinian control over their natural resources -- in particular water and agricultural land -- is another major factor.
Furthermore, chronic malnutrition and dietary-related diseases are slowly increasing, WHO has reported.
Anemia amongst children age nine to 12 months stands at 69 percent in Gaza and 47 percent in the West Bank, with 33 percent of women of childbearing age affected. The number of cases of stunting, low birth weights and premature deaths is also increasing.
Some 70 percent of Palestinians are estimated by the United Nations Children's Fund to be living below the poverty line. According to UNRWA and the Palestinian Ministry of Social Affairs, the number of chronic poor has risen sharply...'
You talk about having an opinion and about 'reality' yet you haven't presented any opinion on the issue. And in case you're wondering - just because you live in Israel, doesn't mean that your word on this subject is sacred. According to U.N observers your government is currently responsible for an ongoing crime against humanity. What's your opinion on that?
If someone posted graphic pictures of Israeli women and children blown to bits, would you shed as many tears as you do with Arabs? You know, people on both sides of this conflict go back and forth on this board throwing blame around (myself included), but the sad fact is, violence begets violence. Both sides have used brutal force against one another.
The bottom line is, Israel is a Jewish state, and it will remain that way. Israelis will ONLY begin to turn over the occupied territories, when and if the barbaric suicide bombings/mortar attacks end. Every time both sides make any kind progress towards a peaceful solution, some moronic savage straps explosives to his/her waist, praises merciful Allah, and goes out to destroy not only innocent life, but progress towards peace. Then, everyone gasps in horror when Israel loses faith and retaliates. This is what happens, and will probably always happen. You could set your watch by it.
I truly feel for those Arabs who want a genuine peace, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for those who celebrate the loss of innocent life as a holy deed, sanctioned by Allah.
Israelis will ONLY begin to turn over the occupied territories, when and if the barbaric suicide bombings/mortar attacks end. Every time both sides make any kind progress towards a peaceful solution, some moronic savage straps explosives to his/her waist, praises merciful Allah, and goes out to destroy not only innocent life, but progress towards peace. Then, everyone gasps in horror when Israel loses faith and retaliates.
But this is all just a figment of your imagination and has no relation to the facts.
'Israel approves building of homes in West Bank settlement' http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/09/africa/mideast.php
'A senior Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, condemned the decision, saying it indicated that Israel "wants to demolish the peace process and demolish the international efforts to advance" it.'
If someone posted graphic pictures of Israeli women and children blown to bits, would you shed as many tears as you do with Arabs? You know, people on both sides of this conflict go back and forth on this board throwing blame around (myself included), but the sad fact is, violence begets violence. Both sides have used brutal force against one another.
The bottom line is, Israel is a Jewish state, and it will remain that way. Israelis will ONLY begin to turn over the occupied territories, when and if the barbaric suicide bombings/mortar attacks end. Every time both sides make any kind progress towards a peaceful solution, some moronic savage straps explosives to his/her waist, praises merciful Allah, and goes out to destroy not only innocent life, but progress towards peace. Then, everyone gasps in horror when Israel loses faith and retaliates. This is what happens, and will probably always happen. You could set your watch by it.
I truly feel for those Arabs who want a genuine peace, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for those who celebrate the loss of innocent life as a holy deed, sanctioned by Allah.
It's those pictures that push the suicide bombing. Radical islam uses the pain, fear, and hopelessness created by Israels actions to recruit people to strap bombs to themselves.
It's those pictures that push the suicide bombing. Radical islam uses the pain, fear, and hopelessness created by Israels actions to recruit people to strap bombs to themselves.
So you mean that the reality of the occupation created by Israels actions helps to breed acts of retaliation by the Palestinians? O.k.
It's those pictures that push the suicide bombing. Radical islam uses the pain, fear, and hopelessness created by Israels actions to recruit people to strap bombs to themselves.
Israeli's don't need to strap bombs to themselves. They have the second biggest fleet of F16's in the world.
Still, attacks by F16's on civilian areas still constitute terrorism.
Book Review: The Case Against Israel
Raymond Deane, The Electronic Intifada, 9 May 2006 http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4690.shtml
'...As for "terrorism", which he defines as "random violence against non-combatants", he distinguishes it from "collateral damage" with the assertion that the latter "involves knowingly killing innocent civilians" while "Terrorism involves intentionally killing innocent civilians", concluding that "the moral difference is too academic even for an academic." Why, then, is "terrorism" considered to be particularly morally repugnant, while "collateral damage" tends to be taken in our moral stride?
"Imagine trying to make such a claim. You say: 'To achieve my objectives, I would certainly drop bombs with the knowledge that they would blow the arms off some children. But to achieve those same objectives, I would not plant or set off a bomb on the ground with the knowledge that it would have that same effect. After all, I have planes to do that, I don't need to plant bombs.' As a claim of moral superiority, this needs a little work."
The Palestinians, he repeats, are without options. Israel has all the options, principally that of unilateral withdrawal from the Occupied Territories, but refuses to use them. Hence he refuses "to pronounce judgment on Palestinian terrorism."
Wow, what a thread. Id like to take a stab at this one, Helen. If there is one thing about America that you may or may not know is that our government will NEVER admit they are wrong. Whether we are talking about this issue or others (the war on drugs, illegal immigration, health care, environmental policy, foreign policy), American leaders will always see being confident and self-assured as more important than being "right". Im not on either "side" of this complex and emotionally charged debate. In some ways, I see this conflict as amazingly symbolic of what will become of our world- can humans learn to overcome and forgive each other and truly make strides towards peace OR will the hidden agendas and back room dealings continue to be the order of the day. Im guessing that you have read Thoreau's "civil disobedience" essay- this is how I feel......
thanks but it's not really what I'm looking for. I mean, whatever about the reasons why the government do it, I'm just wondering why quite a few Americans are ok with that (don't worry, I know there's just as many who AREN'T ok with it) but right now, your economy's going down the drain and your up to your neck in debt for wars which one of the reasons you're involved in is simply to protect another country
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'...hunger is an ongoing issue. Food security for Gaza's 1.5 million people has also been steadily deteriorating. (Food insecurity, according to the United Nations, describes the circumstance in which people cannot be sure of getting access to adequate supplies of nutritious and safe food.)
A U.N. World Food Program initiative called Emergency Food Needs Assessment showed that 51 percent of Palestinians are food insecure in the occupied territory as a whole, with 70 percent food insecure in Gaza.
The main factors affecting Palestinians' access to food, exacerbated by the second intifada, are Israeli imposed restrictions on their internal and external movement. Limited Palestinian control over their natural resources -- in particular water and agricultural land -- is another major factor.
Furthermore, chronic malnutrition and dietary-related diseases are slowly increasing, WHO has reported.
Anemia amongst children age nine to 12 months stands at 69 percent in Gaza and 47 percent in the West Bank, with 33 percent of women of childbearing age affected. The number of cases of stunting, low birth weights and premature deaths is also increasing.
Some 70 percent of Palestinians are estimated by the United Nations Children's Fund to be living below the poverty line. According to UNRWA and the Palestinian Ministry of Social Affairs, the number of chronic poor has risen sharply...'
You talk about having an opinion and about 'reality' yet you haven't presented any opinion on the issue. And in case you're wondering - just because you live in Israel, doesn't mean that your word on this subject is sacred. According to U.N observers your government is currently responsible for an ongoing crime against humanity. What's your opinion on that?
I'm pretty sure Einat knows the reality :( . I didn't find her post all that biased either considering she's Israeli. She mentioned those on both sides working together for peace... there really is no need to lecture her but yes, I would have liked to hear more of her side of it though. It's easy for us to judge and decide which side is right and which is wrong or that both sides are right and wrong... but Einat's a young Israeli girl living IN the midst of all this... it's hardly her fault. If someone was showing me pics of IRA victims and asking me how I felt about that... I'm sorry but you'd be getting quite the earful right now.
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I'm pretty sure Einat knows the reality :( . I didn't find her post all that biased either considering she's Israeli. She mentioned those on both sides working together for peace... there really is no need to lecture her but yes, I would have liked to hear more of her side of it though. It's easy for us to judge and decide which side is right and which is wrong or that both sides are right and wrong... but Einat's a young Israeli girl living IN the midst of all this... it's hardly her fault. If someone was showing me pics of IRA victims and asking me how I felt about that... I'm sorry but you'd be getting quite the earful right now.
No one said anything was her fault. However, when someone comes into the thread and starts with personal attacks like:
It saddens me to read all these misguided opinions of people who obviously have no clue what goes on in the Middle East and base it all on the occasional propaganda and bias.
...then it really doesn't show her to be much better than anyone else...
also, she insinuated that none of us here know enough about the crisis because (she assumed, again) that none of us ever went to palestine or israel, which is a ridiculous statement in itself.
she also didn't care to try to refute anyone's statements, or expand on her personal thoughts about the conflict. yes, she mentioned people from both nations trying to work together, but she says that as if none of us already know that...
No one said anything was her fault. However, when someone comes into the thread and starts with personal attacks like:
...then it really doesn't show her to be much better than anyone else...
also, she insinuated that none of us here know enough about the crisis because (she assumed, again) that none of us ever went to palestine or israel, which is a ridiculous statement in itself.
she also didn't care to try to refute anyone's statements, or expand on her personal thoughts about the conflict. yes, she mentioned people from both nations trying to work together, but she says that as if none of us already know that...
Oh like I said I'd like to hear more of her side definitely. And it's not too far of a leap for her to assume that nobody's been there... you're the only one to say you have. I hear stereotypes about Ireland here all the time and 9 out of 10 times they've never been out of the US. It certainly DOESN'T make her better than anyone else indeed but I would be very interested in hearing what she, or any other Israeli, has to say. Still no need to try and make her look at pics of victims though... that's a whole different story :(
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that's not my point. my point is that you can still know a lot about the conflict even if you haven't visited the countries...
Oh absolutely! But I have protestant friends in Northern Ireland... we may be on 'different sides' but they were born there, they didn't ask for it and they certainly didn't like it (the conflict). I'm not saying Einat's opinion is more valid than anybody elses... but we've yet to actually HEAR the opinion of anyone from/living there IN this thread. And yes, she may have jumped in all guns blazing... but perhaps put yourself in her shoes... coming into a thread with a load of foreigners all deciding what's right/wrong in your country and deciding what the best course of action is. I don't think many of us would be very happy. Like when I discuss American foreign policies, many americans hate me for it and think I hate them... but, rather than arguing with them over it, I'd rather have a civilised discussion about our differences. It's difficult a lot of the time and it's probably yet to be done... but I'm sure it can happen.
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thanks but it's not really what I'm looking for. I mean, whatever about the reasons why the government do it, I'm just wondering why quite a few Americans are ok with that (don't worry, I know there's just as many who AREN'T ok with it) but right now, your economy's going down the drain and your up to your neck in debt for wars which one of the reasons you're involved in is simply to protect another country
Hmm... nobody, huh? Too chicken to take this one on? :cool:
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
thanks but it's not really what I'm looking for. I mean, whatever about the reasons why the government do it, I'm just wondering why quite a few Americans are ok with that (don't worry, I know there's just as many who AREN'T ok with it) but right now, your economy's going down the drain and your up to your neck in debt for wars which one of the reasons you're involved in is simply to protect another country
Nobody... AT ALL???? Wow! So you're all ok with justifying it but can't bring yourself to justify the fact that you're FUNDING it... many of you who probably can't even afford your own house, or may lose your house soon... maybe your job's not so secure right now, look at the victims of Katrina still looking for stability, there are people in your country STARVING. Imagine what could be done with all that money at home.
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Nobody... AT ALL???? Wow! So you're all ok with justifying it but can't bring yourself to justify the fact that you're FUNDING it... many of you who probably can't even afford your own house, or may lose your house soon... maybe your job's not so secure right now, look at the victims of Katrina still looking for stability, there are people in your country STARVING. Imagine what could be done with all that money at home.
The alliance with Israel is a hangover from the cold war and does the U.S more harm than good. The U.S would be far better off if it switched sides and backed the Palestinian cause.
The alliance with Israel is a hangover from the cold war and does the U.S more harm than good. The U.S would be far better off if it switched sides and backed the Palestinian cause.
that's not what I asked . I want the people who are supporting the Israel cause to say if they're ok with their government spending so much of THEIR money in order to take one side in a war thousands of miles away... especially when some of them have admitted that both sides are right and wrong! Would they not prefer at LEAST that their government invest all that money trying to bring PEACE rather than war to the region?
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NAZARETH, (PIC)-- An Israeli military court sentenced three Israeli servicemen to ten days behind bars as a disciplinary measure for "killing" a Palestinian man in northern Ramallah during a picnic."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
And why are all the candidates going on about how they'll protect it? Does it not piss you off that your country is probably spending BILLIONS a year to protect another country halfway around the world... a conflict that only makes you a target? As an outsider, it seems pretty fucking ridiculous! I know about the whole money thing and how america is run by Jews and all that BUT... fucking hell, could their intentions BE more obvious?
They're probably just trying to get the Jewish vote because there are over 6 million Jews in the US. Of course protecting Israel where they may have families and where their ancestry comes from it's an important issue to them just like Ireland is to me
Just think how many other conflicts and wars the US picked a side and aided them too. It gets even more ridiculous! Does it piss me off? Yes because of the extent of the aid. The government wastes a ton of money every day that could be for a better use.
Ok the Jews do not run America lol. The US lets Israel borrow about 1/3 of the US foreign aid in grant and stuff. So if anything the US owns them but that being said the US borrows trillions of dollars from China. How ironic is that? So if the US is to blame for the continuing conflict in the Middle East, would China also share the blame then?
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They're probably just trying to get the Jewish vote because there are over 6 million Jews in the US. Of course protecting Israel where they may have families and where their ancestry comes from it's an important issue to them just like Ireland is to me
Just think how many other conflicts and wars the US picked a side and aided them too. It gets even more ridiculous! Does it piss me off? Yes because of the extent of the aid. The government wastes a ton of money every day that could be for a better use.
Ok the Jews do not run America lol. The US lets Israel borrow about 1/3 of the US foreign aid in grant and stuff. So if anything the US owns them but that being said the US borrows trillions of dollars from China. How ironic is that? So if the US is to blame for the continuing conflict in the Middle East, would China also share the blame then?
I know WHY the government backs them... plenty of reasons... but I want to know why people are ok with that. Like I said, it might be different if they were investing all that money to find peace... but funding ONE side of a conflict has never had a happy ending for the US, has it?
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Nobody... AT ALL???? Wow! So you're all ok with justifying it but can't bring yourself to justify the fact that you're FUNDING it... many of you who probably can't even afford your own house, or may lose your house soon... maybe your job's not so secure right now, look at the victims of Katrina still looking for stability, there are people in your country STARVING. Imagine what could be done with all that money at home.
I wish my government would spend our money in a much more efficient way, actually. We not only send tons of money to Israel, but also to Egypt, Pakistan, Africa, and this Iraq War fiasco is costing us billions. So, to answer your question, yes, we surely need to straighten out our spending habits, and start to concentrate on our own people.
Ok the Jews do not run America lol. The US lets Israel borrow about 1/3 of the US foreign aid in grant and stuff. So if anything the US owns them
hello. have you heard of AIPAC?
Also, I suggest you read "The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, then get back to me and tell me how the US "owns" Israel.....
Also, I suggest you read "The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, then get back to me and tell me how the US "owns" Israel.....
Not mention also look into how many dual Israeli-American citizens hold positions of power in the White house....
Anyone who has a hope of a fully understanding needs to at the very least understand AIPAC and it's relationships to US foreign policy thoroughly.
Otherwise...yikes...
missed the bus altogether
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I wish my government would spend our money in a much more efficient way, actually. We not only send tons of money to Israel, but also to Egypt, Pakistan, Africa, and this Iraq War fiasco is costing us billions. So, to answer your question, yes, we surely need to straighten out our spending habits, and start to concentrate on our own people.
Thank you that was the question asked in my original post... I didn't want this turned into just another who's right Israel V Palestine thread... but it was coming from a different perspective. It was NOT intended to bash either side, there are plenty of threads for that. But I was just pointing out the fact that if it were over here and a candidate said something like what the American candidates say about Israel (pledging more money and support) the media would be all over it right away and it would never get off the starting blocks. And you have to admit, that the war in Iraq is BOUND to be loosely connected to America's support of Israel? If there is a war in Iran (which they seem to be pushing for) the support of Israel will be one of the MAIN reasons... and there goes another trillion of YOUR money down the drain :( I don't know how you put up with it.
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Thank you that was the question asked in my original post... I didn't want this turned into just another who's right Israel V Palestine thread... but it was coming from a different perspective. It was NOT intended to bash either side, there are plenty of threads for that. But I was just pointing out the fact that if it were over here and a candidate said something like what the American candidates say about Israel (pledging more money and support) the media would be all over it right away and it would never get off the starting blocks. And you have to admit, that the war in Iraq is BOUND to be loosely connected to America's support of Israel? If there is a war in Iran (which they seem to be pushing for) the support of Israel will be one of the MAIN reasons... and there goes another trillion of YOUR money down the drain :( I don't know how you put up with it.
If we go to war with Iran, I'm moving to County Mayo, Ireland.
Number of checkpoints has increased by 41 since September despite Israeli pledges to reduce them, Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports
News agencies
Published: 05.23.08, 23:42 / Israel News
The number of roadblocks in the West Bank has increased by 41 since September despite Israeli pledges to reduce them, the United Nations reported on Friday.
The total number of roadblocks in the Palestinian territory rose from 566 on September 4 to 607 by April 29, the UN Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Fir those that missed the second vid in the above url
Now I know why Israel just arrested Finkelstein and deported him. He speaks the truths, and it scares the living shit out of them to have him around turning heads.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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If someone posted graphic pictures of Israeli women and children blown to bits, would you shed as many tears as you do with Arabs? You know, people on both sides of this conflict go back and forth on this board throwing blame around (myself included), but the sad fact is, violence begets violence. Both sides have used brutal force against one another.
The bottom line is, Israel is a Jewish state, and it will remain that way. Israelis will ONLY begin to turn over the occupied territories, when and if the barbaric suicide bombings/mortar attacks end. Every time both sides make any kind progress towards a peaceful solution, some moronic savage straps explosives to his/her waist, praises merciful Allah, and goes out to destroy not only innocent life, but progress towards peace. Then, everyone gasps in horror when Israel loses faith and retaliates. This is what happens, and will probably always happen. You could set your watch by it.
I truly feel for those Arabs who want a genuine peace, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for those who celebrate the loss of innocent life as a holy deed, sanctioned by Allah.
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But this is all just a figment of your imagination and has no relation to the facts.
Israel rejects Hamas ceasefire offer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/26/israelandthepalestinians
Hamas threatens to break ceasefire after Israeli air strikes
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1531571/Hamas-threatens-to-break-ceasefire-after-Israeli-air-strikes.html
'Israel and Hamas were on the brink of war last night as a senior member of the Islamic movement hinted that it would stop observing a 20-month-old ceasefire in retaliation for the latest Israeli assault on the Gaza Strip.'
'Major settlement building won't stop'
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517344468&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
'Israel will continue building in Jerusalem as well as in major settlement blocs in the West Bank, even as a construction freeze continues elsewhere in the territories, a senior Israeli official said Thursday.'
'Israel approves building of homes in West Bank settlement'
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/09/africa/mideast.php
'A senior Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, condemned the decision, saying it indicated that Israel "wants to demolish the peace process and demolish the international efforts to advance" it.'
It's those pictures that push the suicide bombing. Radical islam uses the pain, fear, and hopelessness created by Israels actions to recruit people to strap bombs to themselves.
So you mean that the reality of the occupation created by Israels actions helps to breed acts of retaliation by the Palestinians? O.k.
Israeli's don't need to strap bombs to themselves. They have the second biggest fleet of F16's in the world.
Still, attacks by F16's on civilian areas still constitute terrorism.
Israel targets civilians and UN personnel with impunity
By Jean Shaoul
12 December 2002
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/dec2002/isra-d12.shtml
Israel's Crimes against Palestinians: War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, Genocide
http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis7.html
Human Rights Watch Accuses Israel of War Crimes
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14343.htm
Book Review: The Case Against Israel
Raymond Deane, The Electronic Intifada, 9 May 2006
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4690.shtml
'...As for "terrorism", which he defines as "random violence against non-combatants", he distinguishes it from "collateral damage" with the assertion that the latter "involves knowingly killing innocent civilians" while "Terrorism involves intentionally killing innocent civilians", concluding that "the moral difference is too academic even for an academic." Why, then, is "terrorism" considered to be particularly morally repugnant, while "collateral damage" tends to be taken in our moral stride?
"Imagine trying to make such a claim. You say: 'To achieve my objectives, I would certainly drop bombs with the knowledge that they would blow the arms off some children. But to achieve those same objectives, I would not plant or set off a bomb on the ground with the knowledge that it would have that same effect. After all, I have planes to do that, I don't need to plant bombs.' As a claim of moral superiority, this needs a little work."
The Palestinians, he repeats, are without options. Israel has all the options, principally that of unilateral withdrawal from the Occupied Territories, but refuses to use them. Hence he refuses "to pronounce judgment on Palestinian terrorism."
Exactly.
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...then it really doesn't show her to be much better than anyone else...
also, she insinuated that none of us here know enough about the crisis because (she assumed, again) that none of us ever went to palestine or israel, which is a ridiculous statement in itself.
she also didn't care to try to refute anyone's statements, or expand on her personal thoughts about the conflict. yes, she mentioned people from both nations trying to work together, but she says that as if none of us already know that...
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sure he is. why, you looking for a new bromance?
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
The alliance with Israel is a hangover from the cold war and does the U.S more harm than good. The U.S would be far better off if it switched sides and backed the Palestinian cause.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
10 days is too long...let then out early on good behavior...
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=44234
edit: "May 21, 2008
NAZARETH, (PIC)-- An Israeli military court sentenced three Israeli servicemen to ten days behind bars as a disciplinary measure for "killing" a Palestinian man in northern Ramallah during a picnic."
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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They're probably just trying to get the Jewish vote because there are over 6 million Jews in the US. Of course protecting Israel where they may have families and where their ancestry comes from it's an important issue to them just like Ireland is to me
Just think how many other conflicts and wars the US picked a side and aided them too. It gets even more ridiculous! Does it piss me off? Yes because of the extent of the aid. The government wastes a ton of money every day that could be for a better use.
Ok the Jews do not run America lol. The US lets Israel borrow about 1/3 of the US foreign aid in grant and stuff. So if anything the US owns them but that being said the US borrows trillions of dollars from China. How ironic is that? So if the US is to blame for the continuing conflict in the Middle East, would China also share the blame then?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I wish my government would spend our money in a much more efficient way, actually. We not only send tons of money to Israel, but also to Egypt, Pakistan, Africa, and this Iraq War fiasco is costing us billions. So, to answer your question, yes, we surely need to straighten out our spending habits, and start to concentrate on our own people.
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Ron Paul 2012
Also, I suggest you read "The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, then get back to me and tell me how the US "owns" Israel.....
Not mention also look into how many dual Israeli-American citizens hold positions of power in the White house....
Anyone who has a hope of a fully understanding needs to at the very least understand AIPAC and it's relationships to US foreign policy thoroughly.
Otherwise...yikes...
missed the bus altogether
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
If we go to war with Iran, I'm moving to County Mayo, Ireland.
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Ron Paul 2012
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UN says Israel erected more West Bank roadblocks
Number of checkpoints has increased by 41 since September despite Israeli pledges to reduce them, Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports
News agencies
Published: 05.23.08, 23:42 / Israel News
The number of roadblocks in the West Bank has increased by 41 since September despite Israeli pledges to reduce them, the United Nations reported on Friday.
The total number of roadblocks in the Palestinian territory rose from 566 on September 4 to 607 by April 29, the UN Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said."
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Right of return for all Jews????....cough bullshit!!!...
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/why-israel-fears-norman-finkelstein/
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Now I know why Israel just arrested Finkelstein and deported him. He speaks the truths, and it scares the living shit out of them to have him around turning heads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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just bear in mind that Mayo is full of PLO sympathizers.....
it could be like living in this thread EVERY DAY! :eek: