It's not their land. Again they never had their own state. Let's face it, the debate about who has the right to that land will never be settled. The only thing that can ever be settled, is whether or not there will be Jews living side by side with their Arab neighbors in relative peace. If you think the Jews are going to one day pick up and hand over Israel, you're incredibly naive.
Who's asking them to hand over Israel? We're asking them to hand the occupied Palestinian land back. The day people stop simplifying this to an anti-Semite and/or anti-Islam situation is the day some real progress could finally be made.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
hmm....
you know, you're right...
these "palestinians" have no brains.... and they are the devil... who only want to kill Jews and dump them into the sea. they want to get that "land" that they call theirs back so that they can start planning to conquer the world... after all, it's the only conclusion we can come to when we try thinking "critically."
oh, and lest we forget, we have to throw in the "israel is wrong too" statement... but we all know who is REALLY wrong....
I made it clear why there will never be peace in that region. Please tell me why Arafat didn't agree to the peace deal with Barak? Please tell me why Arafat was loved by his people, while he siphoned millions of aid into his Swiss bank accounts? Tell me why Israel should give back the land they won after the 1967 war? Tell me why Arab mothers and fathers celebrate when their sons/daughters blow themselves up, along with innocent Jews?
Until Muslims stop celebrating the fanatical distortion of Islam, peace will never be achieved.
Debating if it's Arab/Jewish land is an act of futility. If you go back long enough, you can always find reasons why it's Jewish and/or Arab land. Again, that question will never be solved, but even if it was proven to be Arab land, do you honestly think the Jews are going to pick up and leave?
Why not go back to the dinosaurs? Stupid argument. Incredibly.
The Palestinians were living there, Israel kicked them out by force and continues to do so by building ILLEGAL settlements to this day.
60 years of this has been going on. Read up about the Nakba sometime.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"2008 marks the 60th anniversary of the Nakba (cataclysm). In human terms, that year saw the mass deportation of a million Palestinians from their cities and villages, massacres of civilians, and the razing to the ground of hundreds of Palestinian villages."
If Israel had to raze hundreds of well established villages...
They're fucked... to put it lightly.
end of story.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Tell me why Arab mothers and fathers celebrate when their sons/daughters blow themselves up, along with innocent Jews?
Until Muslims stop celebrating the fanatical distortion of Islam, peace will never be achieved.
Who exactly are you directing this at? are you really interchangibly putting Palestinians &Hamas, Heztbollah, and all other Muslims into one group?
BULLSHIT.
i see a lot of coverage of parents grieving victims on the news, but then again i watch the news. and read.
And what the fuck makes you think all muslims support extremism and terrorism?
So you're not a big fan of Islam then no? Or is it just Arabs too? Whats your solution? "let them all kill each other"? Do you have anything constructive to say?
Wow. It's been a while since I read such ignorant bullshit. Guess I’ll stick to the porch and being informed about my surroundings and history via educated channels. Just a thought.
"If Israel had to raze hundreds of well established villages..."
So why are the Palestinians being punished for the holocaust?
Who in their right mind thinks you can raid hundreds of villages, displace and utterly piss off a million people, and massacre anyone who resisted in the process, and steal what they have without any retaliation? .....and.... if any of those people try to return they are killed? edit: (and continue to do so to this very day)
What planet are we living on here?
I've heard of ridiculous before, but this sets the bar to new levels....
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
And why are all the candidates going on about how they'll protect it? Does it not piss you off that your country is probably spending BILLIONS a year to protect another country halfway around the world... a conflict that only makes you a target? As an outsider, it seems pretty fucking ridiculous! I know about the whole money thing and how america is run by Jews and all that BUT... fucking hell, could their intentions BE more obvious?
is this supposed to be one of the "enlightened" posts? talk about ignorant, bitter, and clinging to stereotypes...
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
This is exactly what I ask, what planet are you on.
He's living on earth, but in 1917. he'll come around
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
This is exactly what I ask, what planet are you on.
typical adhominem atack of those unable to comprehend,
Address my points.
I would love to see you try.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
typical adhominem atack of those unable to comprehend,
Address my points.
I would love to see you try.
I do not need to address your points. They are not based on reality. The reality which I myself am living. It saddens me to read all these misguided opinions of people who obviously have no clue what goes on in the Middle East and base it all on the occasional propaganda and bias. Try visiting Israel and Palestine and having your own opinion.
Plenty of people from both nations are actually trying to facilitate neighborly discussion and work together on a solution, the sad fact is, there will always be narrow-mindedness in this world and ignorance – and then you’ll always find a rich power to support that, be it USA or Iran.
I do not need to address your points. They are not based on reality. The reality which I myself am living. It saddens me to read all these misguided opinions of people who obviously have no clue what goes on in the Middle East and base it all on the occasional propaganda and bias. Try visiting Israel and Palestine and having your own opinion.
Plenty of people from both nations are actually trying to facilitate neighborly discussion and work together on a solution, the sad fact is, there will always be narrow-mindedness in this world and ignorance – and then you’ll always find a rich power to support that, be it USA or Iran.
So why are the Palestinians being punished for the holocaust?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Historic Ideal? :rolleyes: Israel was founded on another holocaust.
WHY???
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Someone mentioned something about reality.. I was wondering..
"Imagine a situation with a Palestinian state where there's now the state of Israel. Instead of Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories, you have Jews living in the Occupied Territories, with the Palestinian state taking land away from the Jews, treating them in brutal ways and denying them a state of their own. There would be a huge outcry in the West, especially in the United States and Canada. We would go to enormous lengths to put pressure on the Palestinian state to stop exploiting and brutalizing the Jews, and to allow them to have a state of their own. But here we have a situation where the roles are reversed,"
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I do not need to address your points. They are not based on reality. The reality which I myself am living. It saddens me to read all these misguided opinions of people who obviously have no clue what goes on in the Middle East and base it all on the occasional propaganda and bias. Try visiting Israel and Palestine and having your own opinion.
Plenty of people from both nations are actually trying to facilitate neighborly discussion and work together on a solution, the sad fact is, there will always be narrow-mindedness in this world and ignorance – and then you’ll always find a rich power to support that, be it USA or Iran.
Ok, I visited Palestine on several occasions. What's your point? I don't see anything in this post that refutes what Roland, and many others, have been saying.
Your arguments so far have been based on attacks and, well, nothing. If you want to make your point, then do so. we're all waiting.
i'll say whatever i want, thanks. and i won't pass it by you first, btw.
and if you think i should check what i say, then so should helen. i've seen her shit on america repeatedly, in various threads, tho some here seem to have on rose- or maybe green- colored glasses when it comes to her. as if she's this big america supporter! that's a fucking joke.
here's the thing- millions of americans who didn't vote for bush and have hated him and his policies from day one ALREADY KNOW how fucked some of the things our country has and is doing IN OUR NAME. but people like helen base their opinion of america on the last seven years, a period that most americans would love to forget because we're embarrassed by how fucking stupid and arrogant our prez is and how he has turned what was once a nation that was admired and imitated into one that is an easy target for such worldly folk as our dear helen.
i for one, am fucking sick of it. we're coming up on an election, and we're trying with all our hearts to change what's going on in washington. give us a fucking break.
You're right... what the fuck would I know. I don't actually know ANY Americans whatsoever . Oh apart from my housemate, who's from Ohio, and her friends who drop over every now and then... and my few American friends here who I speak to every day. I have also BEEN to your country a few times. As for your paragraph on how it's just foreign policies that's wrong with America, I agree completely, and isn't that what I've been saying all along? Seems you agree with me after all
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What a different life
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Helen, all I gots to say is if I ever get to Ireland, I'm buying you a beer in your favorite pub.
Nah, you come here and I'M doing the buying? book your fucking ticket already
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
If the "Palestinians" had any brains, they would've been furious at Arafat for siphoning most of the financial aid his people received to his Swiss Bank Accounts.
How do you feel about YOUR government siphoning all your money to help a country half a world away? That's the purpose of this thread. And I don't mean to be smart... I simply just can't understand how that works. If my government were doing something like that, I'd be seriously pissed off.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
The only thing that can ever be settled, is whether or not there will be Jews living side by side with their Arab neighbors in relative peace. If you think the Jews are going to one day pick up and hand over Israel, you're incredibly naive.
Nobody's suggesting that or expecting that. In an ideal world there would be Israel AND Palestine living side by side, dropping into eachother for sugar or milk... that would be wonderful. Ain't gonna happen... and certainly not any day now. There have been suggestions put in this thread that WOULD work over long term. None of them involved the Jewish people being kicked out or the Palestinians taking control.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
i'll say whatever i want, thanks. and i won't pass it by you first, btw.
and if you think i should check what i say, then so should helen. i've seen her shit on america repeatedly, in various threads, tho some here seem to have on rose- or maybe green- colored glasses when it comes to her. as if she's this big america supporter! that's a fucking joke.
here's the thing- millions of americans who didn't vote for bush and have hated him and his policies from day one ALREADY KNOW how fucked some of the things our country has and is doing IN OUR NAME. but people like helen base their opinion of america on the last seven years, a period that most americans would love to forget because we're embarrassed by how fucking stupid and arrogant our prez is and how he has turned what was once a nation that was admired and imitated into one that is an easy target for such worldly folk as our dear helen.
i for one, am fucking sick of it. we're coming up on an election, and we're trying with all our hearts to change what's going on in washington. give us a fucking break.
that first line sounds oddly familiar
basing it on the last seven years??? are you serious? did you forget about regean? bush I? even pj wrote about clinton bombing countries! i think american foreign policy has been horrible for far longer than the past 7 years....ford, nixon, johnson, kennedy (did ya forget the unpopular war in the 60's not to mention all the secret and illegal wars thruoghout the 80's and part of th e90's???)....come on, now!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I do not need to address your points. They are not based on reality. The reality which I myself am living. It saddens me to read all these misguided opinions of people who obviously have no clue what goes on in the Middle East and base it all on the occasional propaganda and bias. Try visiting Israel and Palestine and having your own opinion.
Plenty of people from both nations are actually trying to facilitate neighborly discussion and work together on a solution, the sad fact is, there will always be narrow-mindedness in this world and ignorance – and then you’ll always find a rich power to support that, be it USA or Iran.
Nice post Einat and of course there are plenty of people on both sides looking for peace. What I'm saying is that the media need to give THEM more of a platform and a louder voice than the extremists on both sides (which is quite often sadly all we hear). And yes, I'd LOVE to visit you some day maybe when PJ tour the middle east
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Again... can any of you who are on Israels side in this... explain why you're ok with the government using YOUR money to fund the conflict? Simple question... please don't reply by calling me anti-semitic or anti-american or anything... just tell me what it is that would make you vote for somebody who's telling you they will squander your money on another country.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Again... can any of you who are on Israels side in this... explain why you're ok with the government using YOUR money to fund the conflict? Simple question... please don't reply by calling me anti-semitic or anti-american or anything... just tell me what it is that would make you vote for somebody who's telling you they will squander your money on another country.
They cant, if you talk out against Israel, you're essentially an anti semite.
This has been posted before but its a good listen.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Again... can any of you who are on Israels side in this... explain why you're ok with the government using YOUR money to fund the conflict? Simple question... please don't reply by calling me anti-semitic or anti-american or anything... just tell me what it is that would make you vote for somebody who's telling you they will squander your money on another country.
Wow, what a thread. Id like to take a stab at this one, Helen. If there is one thing about America that you may or may not know is that our government will NEVER admit they are wrong. Whether we are talking about this issue or others (the war on drugs, illegal immigration, health care, environmental policy, foreign policy), American leaders will always see being confident and self-assured as more important than being "right". Im not on either "side" of this complex and emotionally charged debate. In some ways, I see this conflict as amazingly symbolic of what will become of our world- can humans learn to overcome and forgive each other and truly make strides towards peace OR will the hidden agendas and back room dealings continue to be the order of the day. Im guessing that you have read Thoreau's "civil disobedience" essay- this is how I feel......
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I do not need to address your points. They are not based on reality. The reality which I myself am living. It saddens me to read all these misguided opinions of people who obviously have no clue what goes on in the Middle East and base it all on the occasional propaganda and bias. Try visiting Israel and Palestine and having your own opinion.
Plenty of people from both nations are actually trying to facilitate neighborly discussion and work together on a solution, the sad fact is, there will always be narrow-mindedness in this world and ignorance – and then you’ll always find a rich power to support that, be it USA or Iran.
'...hunger is an ongoing issue. Food security for Gaza's 1.5 million people has also been steadily deteriorating. (Food insecurity, according to the United Nations, describes the circumstance in which people cannot be sure of getting access to adequate supplies of nutritious and safe food.)
A U.N. World Food Program initiative called Emergency Food Needs Assessment showed that 51 percent of Palestinians are food insecure in the occupied territory as a whole, with 70 percent food insecure in Gaza.
The main factors affecting Palestinians' access to food, exacerbated by the second intifada, are Israeli imposed restrictions on their internal and external movement. Limited Palestinian control over their natural resources -- in particular water and agricultural land -- is another major factor.
Furthermore, chronic malnutrition and dietary-related diseases are slowly increasing, WHO has reported.
Anemia amongst children age nine to 12 months stands at 69 percent in Gaza and 47 percent in the West Bank, with 33 percent of women of childbearing age affected. The number of cases of stunting, low birth weights and premature deaths is also increasing.
Some 70 percent of Palestinians are estimated by the United Nations Children's Fund to be living below the poverty line. According to UNRWA and the Palestinian Ministry of Social Affairs, the number of chronic poor has risen sharply...'
You talk about having an opinion and about 'reality' yet you haven't presented any opinion on the issue. And in case you're wondering - just because you live in Israel, doesn't mean that your word on this subject is sacred. According to U.N observers your government is currently responsible for an ongoing crime against humanity. What's your opinion on that?
'...hunger is an ongoing issue. Food security for Gaza's 1.5 million people has also been steadily deteriorating. (Food insecurity, according to the United Nations, describes the circumstance in which people cannot be sure of getting access to adequate supplies of nutritious and safe food.)
A U.N. World Food Program initiative called Emergency Food Needs Assessment showed that 51 percent of Palestinians are food insecure in the occupied territory as a whole, with 70 percent food insecure in Gaza.
The main factors affecting Palestinians' access to food, exacerbated by the second intifada, are Israeli imposed restrictions on their internal and external movement. Limited Palestinian control over their natural resources -- in particular water and agricultural land -- is another major factor.
Furthermore, chronic malnutrition and dietary-related diseases are slowly increasing, WHO has reported.
Anemia amongst children age nine to 12 months stands at 69 percent in Gaza and 47 percent in the West Bank, with 33 percent of women of childbearing age affected. The number of cases of stunting, low birth weights and premature deaths is also increasing.
Some 70 percent of Palestinians are estimated by the United Nations Children's Fund to be living below the poverty line. According to UNRWA and the Palestinian Ministry of Social Affairs, the number of chronic poor has risen sharply...'
You talk about having an opinion and about 'reality' yet you haven't presented any opinion on the issue. And in case you're wondering - just because you live in Israel, doesn't mean that your word on this subject is sacred. According to U.N observers your government is currently responsible for an ongoing crime against humanity. What's your opinion on that?
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Who's asking them to hand over Israel? We're asking them to hand the occupied Palestinian land back. The day people stop simplifying this to an anti-Semite and/or anti-Islam situation is the day some real progress could finally be made.
I made it clear why there will never be peace in that region. Please tell me why Arafat didn't agree to the peace deal with Barak? Please tell me why Arafat was loved by his people, while he siphoned millions of aid into his Swiss bank accounts? Tell me why Israel should give back the land they won after the 1967 war? Tell me why Arab mothers and fathers celebrate when their sons/daughters blow themselves up, along with innocent Jews?
Until Muslims stop celebrating the fanatical distortion of Islam, peace will never be achieved.
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Why not go back to the dinosaurs? Stupid argument. Incredibly.
The Palestinians were living there, Israel kicked them out by force and continues to do so by building ILLEGAL settlements to this day.
60 years of this has been going on. Read up about the Nakba sometime.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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If Israel had to raze hundreds of well established villages...
They're fucked... to put it lightly.
end of story.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Who exactly are you directing this at? are you really interchangibly putting Palestinians &Hamas, Heztbollah, and all other Muslims into one group?
BULLSHIT.
i see a lot of coverage of parents grieving victims on the news, but then again i watch the news. and read.
And what the fuck makes you think all muslims support extremism and terrorism?
So you're not a big fan of Islam then no? Or is it just Arabs too? Whats your solution? "let them all kill each other"? Do you have anything constructive to say?
https://www.facebook.com/Bring.Pearl.Jam.To.Israel
So why are the Palestinians being punished for the holocaust?
Who in their right mind thinks you can raid hundreds of villages, displace and utterly piss off a million people, and massacre anyone who resisted in the process, and steal what they have without any retaliation? .....and.... if any of those people try to return they are killed? edit: (and continue to do so to this very day)
What planet are we living on here?
I've heard of ridiculous before, but this sets the bar to new levels....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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is this supposed to be one of the "enlightened" posts? talk about ignorant, bitter, and clinging to stereotypes...
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
This is exactly what I ask, what planet are you on.
https://www.facebook.com/Bring.Pearl.Jam.To.Israel
He's living on earth, but in 1917. he'll come around
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
typical adhominem atack of those unable to comprehend,
Address my points.
I would love to see you try.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I do not need to address your points. They are not based on reality. The reality which I myself am living. It saddens me to read all these misguided opinions of people who obviously have no clue what goes on in the Middle East and base it all on the occasional propaganda and bias. Try visiting Israel and Palestine and having your own opinion.
Plenty of people from both nations are actually trying to facilitate neighborly discussion and work together on a solution, the sad fact is, there will always be narrow-mindedness in this world and ignorance – and then you’ll always find a rich power to support that, be it USA or Iran.
https://www.facebook.com/Bring.Pearl.Jam.To.Israel
Here's reality if you need a dose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day
So why are the Palestinians being punished for the holocaust?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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That is a very twisted thing to say and it doesn't deserve a serious answer. Good night, enjoy living in your darkness.
https://www.facebook.com/Bring.Pearl.Jam.To.Israel
Twisted? That's pretty twisted to dismiss the lives of all those people. Once could say elitist.
While for Israelis, the 1948 war gave them independence and this day represents the "fulfilment of a historic ideal of the Jewish people"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_villages_depopulated_during_the_1948_Arab-Israeli_war
Historic Ideal? :rolleyes: Israel was founded on another holocaust.
WHY???
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
"Imagine a situation with a Palestinian state where there's now the state of Israel. Instead of Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories, you have Jews living in the Occupied Territories, with the Palestinian state taking land away from the Jews, treating them in brutal ways and denying them a state of their own. There would be a huge outcry in the West, especially in the United States and Canada. We would go to enormous lengths to put pressure on the Palestinian state to stop exploiting and brutalizing the Jews, and to allow them to have a state of their own. But here we have a situation where the roles are reversed,"
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20080425_114727_2004&page=2
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
Your arguments so far have been based on attacks and, well, nothing. If you want to make your point, then do so. we're all waiting.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
that first line sounds oddly familiar
basing it on the last seven years??? are you serious? did you forget about regean? bush I? even pj wrote about clinton bombing countries! i think american foreign policy has been horrible for far longer than the past 7 years....ford, nixon, johnson, kennedy (did ya forget the unpopular war in the 60's not to mention all the secret and illegal wars thruoghout the 80's and part of th e90's???)....come on, now!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
They cant, if you talk out against Israel, you're essentially an anti semite.
This has been posted before but its a good listen.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14154082
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Wow, what a thread. Id like to take a stab at this one, Helen. If there is one thing about America that you may or may not know is that our government will NEVER admit they are wrong. Whether we are talking about this issue or others (the war on drugs, illegal immigration, health care, environmental policy, foreign policy), American leaders will always see being confident and self-assured as more important than being "right". Im not on either "side" of this complex and emotionally charged debate. In some ways, I see this conflict as amazingly symbolic of what will become of our world- can humans learn to overcome and forgive each other and truly make strides towards peace OR will the hidden agendas and back room dealings continue to be the order of the day. Im guessing that you have read Thoreau's "civil disobedience" essay- this is how I feel......
"when you get something from the Israelis. "Four out of five times it's complete and total bullshit."
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6864
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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So you live in Israel. O.k. So your reality is a life within Israel. I'd like to ask you what you think about the Palestinians living not a million miles away in conditions of extreme poverty and desperation. http://www.metimes.com/International/2008/01/04/despair_poverty_rise_in_palestinian_area/5010/
'...hunger is an ongoing issue. Food security for Gaza's 1.5 million people has also been steadily deteriorating. (Food insecurity, according to the United Nations, describes the circumstance in which people cannot be sure of getting access to adequate supplies of nutritious and safe food.)
A U.N. World Food Program initiative called Emergency Food Needs Assessment showed that 51 percent of Palestinians are food insecure in the occupied territory as a whole, with 70 percent food insecure in Gaza.
The main factors affecting Palestinians' access to food, exacerbated by the second intifada, are Israeli imposed restrictions on their internal and external movement. Limited Palestinian control over their natural resources -- in particular water and agricultural land -- is another major factor.
Furthermore, chronic malnutrition and dietary-related diseases are slowly increasing, WHO has reported.
Anemia amongst children age nine to 12 months stands at 69 percent in Gaza and 47 percent in the West Bank, with 33 percent of women of childbearing age affected. The number of cases of stunting, low birth weights and premature deaths is also increasing.
Some 70 percent of Palestinians are estimated by the United Nations Children's Fund to be living below the poverty line. According to UNRWA and the Palestinian Ministry of Social Affairs, the number of chronic poor has risen sharply...'
You talk about having an opinion and about 'reality' yet you haven't presented any opinion on the issue. And in case you're wondering - just because you live in Israel, doesn't mean that your word on this subject is sacred. According to U.N observers your government is currently responsible for an ongoing crime against humanity. What's your opinion on that?
http://www.arabnews.com/?article=105886
I warn you that you may find the following photos upsetting...but unfortunately this is the 'reality'....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7942
Amazing and sad...thanks for posting.