what's the fucking deal with Israel?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

swallowedwords wrote:

Everything I've said is accurate. Instead of being petty, try critical thinking.

Noting you've said has been accurate regarding this crisis.

You are 180 degree out of phase in your understanding of the situation.

You need to research it more. 100%

swallowedwords

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

sorry...

that's total nonsense..

Their land is being occupied forcefully by an enemy combatant.

It's an occupation. They (Palestinians) are defending themselves. It's their land.

It's not their land. Again they never had their own state. Let's face it, the debate about who has the right to that land will never be settled. The only thing that can ever be settled, is whether or not there will be Jews living side by side with their Arab neighbors in relative peace. If you think the Jews are going to one day pick up and hand over Israel, you're incredibly naive.

swallowedwords

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Noting you've said has been accurate regarding this crisis.

You are 180 degree out of phase in your understanding of the situation.

You need to research it more. 100%

Wrong. 100% of what I've stated is accurate. Instead of taking time to call me names, I suggest going to your local library and doing some reading. You'll thank me one day for the advice.

swallowedwords

angelica wrote:

There are two types of critical thinking. One is looking to understand the situation as it is. The other type is looking to justify one's own personal perspective. Which form are you claiming?

I have looked at this conflict and why it persists, and I've come to the conclusion that if Muslims ended their love for radicals in their midst, peace could be achieved.

angelica

swallowedwords wrote:

Wrong. 100% of what I've stated is accurate. Instead of taking time to call me names, I suggest going to your local library and doing some reading. You'll thank me one day for the advice.

"right/wrong" is about ego and separation, not about accuracy and knowledge.

Actually understanding situations as they are entail looking out beyond personal fragmentation and bias. Do you agree?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

swallowedwords wrote:

It's not their land. Again they never had their own state. Let's face it, the debate about who has the right to that land will never be settled. The only thing that can ever be settled, is whether or not there will be Jews living side by side with their Arab neighbors in relative peace. If you think the Jews are going to one day pick up and hand over Israel, you're incredibly naive.

Yes it is their land they were living on it... you're not kidding anyone with that. Don't even go there.

Israel thinks they are gods chosen people and claim right to the land. That mindset is inherently racist by default.

You need to look over the chronology of what happened there.

You really do.

angelica

swallowedwords wrote:

I have looked at this conflict and why it persists, and I've come to the conclusion that if Muslims ended their love for radicals in their midst, peace could be achieved.

So you are talking about your personal view. That's different than seeking understanding of the situation as it is, beyond your personal view.

In reality, there are not sides. Sides are chosen by the fragmented and biased human mind.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

swallowedwords wrote:

Wrong. 100% of what I've stated is accurate. Instead of taking time to call me names, I suggest going to your local library and doing some reading. You'll thank me one day for the advice.

I never called you anything. I'm discussing the facts, of which you are not aware.

You must be playing games.. Most people know more than what you pretend to about this situation.

fuck

swallowedwords wrote:

Everything I've said is accurate. Instead of being petty, try critical thinking.

hmm....
you know, you're right...
these "palestinians" have no brains.... and they are the devil... who only want to kill Jews and dump them into the sea. they want to get that "land" that they call theirs back so that they can start planning to conquer the world... after all, it's the only conclusion we can come to when we try thinking "critically."

oh, and lest we forget, we have to throw in the "israel is wrong too" statement... but we all know who is REALLY wrong....

swallowedwords

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yes it is their land they were living on it... you're not kidding anyone with that. Don't even go there.

Israel thinks they are gods chosen people and claim right to the land. That mindset is inherently racist by default.

You need to look over the chronology of what happened there.

You really do.

Debating if it's Arab/Jewish land is an act of futility. If you go back long enough, you can always find reasons why it's Jewish and/or Arab land. Again, that question will never be solved, but even if it was proven to be Arab land, do you honestly think the Jews are going to pick up and leave?

Rhinocerous Surprise

swallowedwords wrote:

It's not their land. Again they never had their own state. Let's face it, the debate about who has the right to that land will never be settled. The only thing that can ever be settled, is whether or not there will be Jews living side by side with their Arab neighbors in relative peace. If you think the Jews are going to one day pick up and hand over Israel, you're incredibly naive.

Who's asking them to hand over Israel? We're asking them to hand the occupied Palestinian land back. The day people stop simplifying this to an anti-Semite and/or anti-Islam situation is the day some real progress could finally be made.

swallowedwords

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

hmm....
you know, you're right...
these "palestinians" have no brains.... and they are the devil... who only want to kill Jews and dump them into the sea. they want to get that "land" that they call theirs back so that they can start planning to conquer the world... after all, it's the only conclusion we can come to when we try thinking "critically."

oh, and lest we forget, we have to throw in the "israel is wrong too" statement... but we all know who is REALLY wrong....

I made it clear why there will never be peace in that region. Please tell me why Arafat didn't agree to the peace deal with Barak? Please tell me why Arafat was loved by his people, while he siphoned millions of aid into his Swiss bank accounts? Tell me why Israel should give back the land they won after the 1967 war? Tell me why Arab mothers and fathers celebrate when their sons/daughters blow themselves up, along with innocent Jews?

Until Muslims stop celebrating the fanatical distortion of Islam, peace will never be achieved.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

swallowedwords wrote:

Debating if it's Arab/Jewish land is an act of futility. If you go back long enough, you can always find reasons why it's Jewish and/or Arab land. Again, that question will never be solved, but even if it was proven to be Arab land, do you honestly think the Jews are going to pick up and leave?

Why not go back to the dinosaurs? Stupid argument. Incredibly.

The Palestinians were living there, Israel kicked them out by force and continues to do so by building ILLEGAL settlements to this day.

60 years of this has been going on. Read up about the Nakba sometime.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

"2008 marks the 60th anniversary of the Nakba (cataclysm). In human terms, that year saw the mass deportation of a million Palestinians from their cities and villages, massacres of civilians, and the razing to the ground of hundreds of Palestinian villages."

If Israel had to raze hundreds of well established villages...

They're fucked... to put it lightly.

end of story.

JordyWordy

swallowedwords wrote:

Tell me why Arab mothers and fathers celebrate when their sons/daughters blow themselves up, along with innocent Jews?

Until Muslims stop celebrating the fanatical distortion of Islam, peace will never be achieved.

Who exactly are you directing this at? are you really interchangibly putting Palestinians &Hamas, Heztbollah, and all other Muslims into one group?

BULLSHIT.
i see a lot of coverage of parents grieving victims on the news, but then again i watch the news. and read.
And what the fuck makes you think all muslims support extremism and terrorism?

So you're not a big fan of Islam then no? Or is it just Arabs too? Whats your solution? "let them all kill each other"? Do you have anything constructive to say?

einatshaul

Wow. It's been a while since I read such ignorant bullshit. Guess I’ll stick to the porch and being informed about my surroundings and history via educated channels. Just a thought.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

"If Israel had to raze hundreds of well established villages..."

So why are the Palestinians being punished for the holocaust?

Who in their right mind thinks you can raid hundreds of villages, displace and utterly piss off a million people, and massacre anyone who resisted in the process, and steal what they have without any retaliation? .....and.... if any of those people try to return they are killed? edit: (and continue to do so to this very day)

What planet are we living on here?

I've heard of ridiculous before, but this sets the bar to new levels....

Purple Hawk

Heineken Helen wrote:

And why are all the candidates going on about how they'll protect it? Does it not piss you off that your country is probably spending BILLIONS a year to protect another country halfway around the world... a conflict that only makes you a target? As an outsider, it seems pretty fucking ridiculous! I know about the whole money thing and how america is run by Jews and all that BUT... fucking hell, could their intentions BE more obvious?

is this supposed to be one of the "enlightened" posts? talk about ignorant, bitter, and clinging to stereotypes...

einatshaul

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What planet are we living on here?

This is exactly what I ask, what planet are you on.

Purple Hawk

einatshaul wrote:

This is exactly what I ask, what planet are you on.

He's living on earth, but in 1917. he'll come around