I just want to weigh in on this topic and say that the "Palestinians" would've had their own state by now, if it wasn't for Yasser Arafat's pandering to the radicals, and groups like Islamic Jihad, Hamas, etc.
I have little sympathy for the "Palestinians". After all, the "Palestinians" never had their own state. The region was controlled by the Ottomans, the Jordanians, etc. Let's face it, the Jews have always been an easy and convenient scapegoat for many.
I'm amazed at all the Irish support for the "Palestinians". I'm relieved my Irish born mother supports the civilized side, which is Israel.
The only way there will ever be peace in that region, is if Islamic extremism ceases to exist, which will probably never happen.
Israel are, at best, no more civilised than the Palestinians. Both sides are committing atrocities. The only difference is, Palestine doesn't have America supporting its efforts, or pledging unbreakable friendship to them. The fact that Israel is a Jewish state has nothing to do with the condemnation of their actions - the fact that they're occupying foreign territory and killing huge numbers of civilians has everything to do with it.
But then, Muslims will always be an easy and convenient scapegoat for many. :rolleyes:
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Israel are, at best, no more civilised than the Palestinians. Both sides are committing atrocities. The only difference is, Palestine doesn't have America supporting its efforts, or pledging unbreakable friendship to them. The fact that Israel is a Jewish state has nothing to do with the condemnation of their actions - the fact that they're occupying foreign territory and killing huge numbers of civilians has everything to do with it.
But then, Muslims will always be an easy and convenient scapegoat for many. :rolleyes:
It was the "Palestinians" who danced and cheered as the WTC crumbled to the ground. Not very civilized, in my opinion. Unlike Islamic radicals, Israelis don't target civilians. Unfortunately, innocent civilians will always get killed in wars, but you can't equate what Israel does in retaliation to what the Jihadists do via suicide bombing and chopping the heads off of innocents.
If the "Palestinians" had any brains, they would've been furious at Arafat for siphoning most of the financial aid his people received to his Swiss Bank Accounts.
It was the "Palestinians" who danced and cheered as the WTC crumbled to the ground. Not very civilized, in my opinion. Unlike Islamic radicals, Israelis don't target civilians. Unfortunately, innocent civilians will always get killed in wars, but you can't equate what Israel does in retaliation to what the Jihadists to via suicide bombing and chopping the heads off of innocents.
If the "Palestinians" had any brains, they would've been furious at Arafat for siphoning most of the financial aid his people received to his Swiss Bank Accounts.
The Israeli military has killed many, many times the amount of civilians Palestine has, and not always in retaliation either. If you want to justify it by saying they're gonna get killed in wars, that's your choice, but I find that point of view hard to stomach.
And putting Palestinians in quotes just sums up how blindly biased you are on this topic.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
The Israeli military has killed many, many times the amount of civilians Palestine has, and not always in retaliation either. If you want to justify it by saying they're gonna get killed in wars, that's your choice, but I find that point of view hard to stomach.
And putting Palestinians in quotes just sums up how blindly biased you are on this topic.
Oh, I admit it, I'm very biased when it comes to this topic. It seems evident to me that the "Palestinians" had quite a few opportunities to secure their own state, but instead, killing Jews was always the better option for them. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with people whose only goal is to push every Jew into the sea, negotiating isn't so easy.
Again, as long as there are Islamic fanatics, there will be no peace in the World. Israel could be wiped off the map tomorrow, and you'd still have Jihadis plotting and planning their next terror campaign on innocent westerners.
By the way, the US not only gives loads of money to Israel, but we also throw tons of cash at Egypt, Jordan...
Oh, I admit it, I'm very biased when it comes to this topic. It seems evident to me that the "Palestinians" had quite a few opportunities to secure their own state, but instead, killing Jews was always the better option for them. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with people whose only goal is to push every Jew into the sea, negotiating isn't so easy.
Again, as long as there are Islamic fanatics, there will be no peace in the World. Israel could be wiped off the map tomorrow, and you'd still have Jihadis plotting and planning their next terror campaign on innocent westerners.
By the way, the US not only gives loads of money to Israel, but we also throw tons of cash at Egypt, Jordan...
What point are you making here? That there are Islamic fanatics in the middle east? We know that - but saying that Palestine, or any country, is solely comprised of them is wrong, and pretty ignorant. The fact is, Israel has done nothing to show any kind of willingness to even contemplate recognising Palestine's borders, government or human rights.
And as long as there are people like you, trying to justify actions such as Israel are taking, there'll be no peace in the world.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Oh, I admit it, I'm very biased when it comes to this topic. It seems evident to me that the "Palestinians" had quite a few opportunities to secure their own state, but instead, killing Jews was always the better option for them. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with people whose only goal is to push every Jew into the sea, negotiating isn't so easy.
Again, as long as there are Islamic fanatics, there will be no peace in the World. Israel could be wiped off the map tomorrow, and you'd still have Jihadis plotting and planning their next terror campaign on innocent westerners.
By the way, the US not only gives loads of money to Israel, but we also throw tons of cash at Egypt, Jordan...
Peace exists all over the world. There are many many places where people live side by side and work out vast differences effectively.
As long as we justify perpetuating war and kiilling, and as long as we support it, we will continue to create and support war, killing, nefarious deeds and the horrible consequences. Conflict always, always takes two sides.
Conflict can be solved when only one side seeks to end it.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What point are you making here? That there are Islamic fanatics in the middle east? We know that - but saying that Palestine, or any country, is solely comprised of them is wrong, and pretty ignorant. The fact is, Israel has done nothing to show any kind of willingness to even contemplate recognising Palestine's borders, government or human rights.
And as long as there are people like you, trying to justify actions such as Israel are taking, there'll be no peace in the world.
Israel has done nothing to recognize Palestinian borders??? Remember the "peace" talks between Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat? Arafat was offered approximately 85-90% of what he demanded, yet nothing materialized, because Arafat favored killing inncocent Jews more.
Personally, I hope Israel isn't naive enough to think a "Palestinian" state would mean peace in the region. When you deal with the devil, you never win.
By the way, if you think the majority of "Palestinians" are moderates who want peace with Israel, then you are incredibly ignorant. Hamas isn't in control over there because of their tolerant stance. Wake the hell up, pal.
Peace exists all over the world. There are many many places where people live side by side and work out vast differences effectively.
As long as we justify perpetuating war and kiilling, and as long as we support it, we will continue to create and support war, killing, nefarious deeds and the horrible consequences. Conflict always, always takes two sides.
Conflict can be solved when only one side seeks to end it.
Believe me, I'm not saying everything Israel does or has done is justified. But, if I had to pick sides, I'm going with Israel for many reasons. Israel is a convenient excuse for fanatical arabs/muslims to act like animals.
Believe me, I'm not saying everything Israel does or has done is justified. But, if I had to pick sides, I'm going with Israel for many reasons. Israel is a convenient excuse for fanatical arabs/muslims to act like animals.
It sounds like fanatical arabs/muslims is your "excuse" to take sides and perpetuate conflict and killing.
I put the word "excuse" in quotes, because in actuality, there is no excuse. We cannot justify the unjustifiable.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It was the "Palestinians" who danced and cheered as the WTC crumbled to the ground. Not very civilized, in my opinion. Unlike Islamic radicals, Israelis don't target civilians. Unfortunately, innocent civilians will always get killed in wars, but you can't equate what Israel does in retaliation to what the Jihadists do via suicide bombing and chopping the heads off of innocents.
If the "Palestinians" had any brains, they would've been furious at Arafat for siphoning most of the financial aid his people received to his Swiss Bank Accounts.
What are you talking about? You mean the 5 Israeli agents sent over to record 9/11 that were dancing on top of their van which traces of explosive residue present?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Israel is a convenient excuse for fanatical arabs/muslims to act like animals.
similarly, the Holocaust is a convenient excuse for the Israeli government to act like animals.
see, I can do it too.
I'm having trouble figuring out if your posts are a joke or serious because of how incredibly ignorant they are. Do you know what a news article is? I suggest you read one sometime. Even someone who watches CNN for all their news can't be this ignorant.
similarly, the Holocaust is a convenient excuse for the Israeli government to act like animals.
see, I can do it too.
I'm having trouble figuring out if your posts are a joke or serious because of how incredibly ignorant they are. Do you know what a news article is? I suggest you read one sometime. Even someone who watches CNN for all their news can't be this ignorant.
Out of all the things I've said, all you can do is call me names and be petty? Hilarious! Yet, I'm ignorant?
What is the solution over there? Talking and reasoning didn't work. How do you deal with people who only want to see you dead?
The solution is to do what it takes to find a solution.
Creating conflict and war is diametrically opposed to finding a solution. To continue doing so we continue to create what we don't want, and with blood on our hands. Creating solutions isn't easy, and can be a long process that includes much inner change. And yet it's better than being what we hate, and creating what we rail against thusly extending the problem indefinitely.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
This whole issue has become so crystal clear to me over the years...
So why are the Palestinians being punished for the holocaust is the question?
Try to legitimize that nonsense...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This whole issue has become so crystal clear to me over the years...
So why are the Palestinians being punished for the holocaust is the question?
Try to legitimize that nonsense...
The "Palestinians" are being punished by their own kind. If the overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" would denounce Islamist fanatics, instead of embracing them, they would have their own state by now.
Again, when you embrace Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezzbollah, etc., don't expect concessions.
It seems evident to me that the "Palestinians" had quite a few opportunities to secure their own state, but instead, killing Jews was always the better option for them.
Unfortunately, when you're dealing with people whose only goal is to push every Jew into the sea, negotiating isn't so easy.
Again, as long as there are Islamic fanatics, there will be no peace in the World.
Israel could be wiped off the map tomorrow, and you'd still have Jihadis plotting and planning their next terror campaign on innocent westerners.
The "Palestinians" are being punished by their own kind. If the overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" would denounce Islamist fanatics, instead of embracing them, they would have their own state by now.
Again, when you embrace Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezzbollah, etc., don't expect concessions.
sorry...
that's total nonsense..
Their land is being occupied forcefully by an enemy combatant.
It's an occupation. They (Palestinians) are defending themselves. It's their land.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Everything I've said is accurate. Instead of being petty, try critical thinking.
There are two types of critical thinking. One is looking to understand the situation as it is. The other type is looking to justify one's own personal perspective. Which form are you claiming?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Everything I've said is accurate. Instead of being petty, try critical thinking.
Noting you've said has been accurate regarding this crisis.
You are 180 degree out of phase in your understanding of the situation.
You need to research it more. 100%
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Their land is being occupied forcefully by an enemy combatant.
It's an occupation. They (Palestinians) are defending themselves. It's their land.
It's not their land. Again they never had their own state. Let's face it, the debate about who has the right to that land will never be settled. The only thing that can ever be settled, is whether or not there will be Jews living side by side with their Arab neighbors in relative peace. If you think the Jews are going to one day pick up and hand over Israel, you're incredibly naive.
Noting you've said has been accurate regarding this crisis.
You are 180 degree out of phase in your understanding of the situation.
You need to research it more. 100%
Wrong. 100% of what I've stated is accurate. Instead of taking time to call me names, I suggest going to your local library and doing some reading. You'll thank me one day for the advice.
There are two types of critical thinking. One is looking to understand the situation as it is. The other type is looking to justify one's own personal perspective. Which form are you claiming?
I have looked at this conflict and why it persists, and I've come to the conclusion that if Muslims ended their love for radicals in their midst, peace could be achieved.
Wrong. 100% of what I've stated is accurate. Instead of taking time to call me names, I suggest going to your local library and doing some reading. You'll thank me one day for the advice.
"right/wrong" is about ego and separation, not about accuracy and knowledge.
Actually understanding situations as they are entail looking out beyond personal fragmentation and bias. Do you agree?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It's not their land. Again they never had their own state. Let's face it, the debate about who has the right to that land will never be settled. The only thing that can ever be settled, is whether or not there will be Jews living side by side with their Arab neighbors in relative peace. If you think the Jews are going to one day pick up and hand over Israel, you're incredibly naive.
Yes it is their land they were living on it... you're not kidding anyone with that. Don't even go there.
Israel thinks they are gods chosen people and claim right to the land. That mindset is inherently racist by default.
You need to look over the chronology of what happened there.
You really do.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I have looked at this conflict and why it persists, and I've come to the conclusion that if Muslims ended their love for radicals in their midst, peace could be achieved.
So you are talking about your personal view. That's different than seeking understanding of the situation as it is, beyond your personal view.
In reality, there are not sides. Sides are chosen by the fragmented and biased human mind.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Wrong. 100% of what I've stated is accurate. Instead of taking time to call me names, I suggest going to your local library and doing some reading. You'll thank me one day for the advice.
I never called you anything. I'm discussing the facts, of which you are not aware.
You must be playing games.. Most people know more than what you pretend to about this situation.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Everything I've said is accurate. Instead of being petty, try critical thinking.
hmm....
you know, you're right...
these "palestinians" have no brains.... and they are the devil... who only want to kill Jews and dump them into the sea. they want to get that "land" that they call theirs back so that they can start planning to conquer the world... after all, it's the only conclusion we can come to when we try thinking "critically."
oh, and lest we forget, we have to throw in the "israel is wrong too" statement... but we all know who is REALLY wrong....
Yes it is their land they were living on it... you're not kidding anyone with that. Don't even go there.
Israel thinks they are gods chosen people and claim right to the land. That mindset is inherently racist by default.
You need to look over the chronology of what happened there.
You really do.
Debating if it's Arab/Jewish land is an act of futility. If you go back long enough, you can always find reasons why it's Jewish and/or Arab land. Again, that question will never be solved, but even if it was proven to be Arab land, do you honestly think the Jews are going to pick up and leave?
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Israel are, at best, no more civilised than the Palestinians. Both sides are committing atrocities. The only difference is, Palestine doesn't have America supporting its efforts, or pledging unbreakable friendship to them. The fact that Israel is a Jewish state has nothing to do with the condemnation of their actions - the fact that they're occupying foreign territory and killing huge numbers of civilians has everything to do with it.
But then, Muslims will always be an easy and convenient scapegoat for many. :rolleyes:
It was the "Palestinians" who danced and cheered as the WTC crumbled to the ground. Not very civilized, in my opinion. Unlike Islamic radicals, Israelis don't target civilians. Unfortunately, innocent civilians will always get killed in wars, but you can't equate what Israel does in retaliation to what the Jihadists do via suicide bombing and chopping the heads off of innocents.
If the "Palestinians" had any brains, they would've been furious at Arafat for siphoning most of the financial aid his people received to his Swiss Bank Accounts.
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The Israeli military has killed many, many times the amount of civilians Palestine has, and not always in retaliation either. If you want to justify it by saying they're gonna get killed in wars, that's your choice, but I find that point of view hard to stomach.
And putting Palestinians in quotes just sums up how blindly biased you are on this topic.
Oh, I admit it, I'm very biased when it comes to this topic. It seems evident to me that the "Palestinians" had quite a few opportunities to secure their own state, but instead, killing Jews was always the better option for them. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with people whose only goal is to push every Jew into the sea, negotiating isn't so easy.
Again, as long as there are Islamic fanatics, there will be no peace in the World. Israel could be wiped off the map tomorrow, and you'd still have Jihadis plotting and planning their next terror campaign on innocent westerners.
By the way, the US not only gives loads of money to Israel, but we also throw tons of cash at Egypt, Jordan...
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
What point are you making here? That there are Islamic fanatics in the middle east? We know that - but saying that Palestine, or any country, is solely comprised of them is wrong, and pretty ignorant. The fact is, Israel has done nothing to show any kind of willingness to even contemplate recognising Palestine's borders, government or human rights.
And as long as there are people like you, trying to justify actions such as Israel are taking, there'll be no peace in the world.
As long as we justify perpetuating war and kiilling, and as long as we support it, we will continue to create and support war, killing, nefarious deeds and the horrible consequences. Conflict always, always takes two sides.
Conflict can be solved when only one side seeks to end it.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Israel has done nothing to recognize Palestinian borders??? Remember the "peace" talks between Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat? Arafat was offered approximately 85-90% of what he demanded, yet nothing materialized, because Arafat favored killing inncocent Jews more.
Personally, I hope Israel isn't naive enough to think a "Palestinian" state would mean peace in the region. When you deal with the devil, you never win.
By the way, if you think the majority of "Palestinians" are moderates who want peace with Israel, then you are incredibly ignorant. Hamas isn't in control over there because of their tolerant stance. Wake the hell up, pal.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Believe me, I'm not saying everything Israel does or has done is justified. But, if I had to pick sides, I'm going with Israel for many reasons. Israel is a convenient excuse for fanatical arabs/muslims to act like animals.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
I put the word "excuse" in quotes, because in actuality, there is no excuse. We cannot justify the unjustifiable.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
What are you talking about? You mean the 5 Israeli agents sent over to record 9/11 that were dancing on top of their van which traces of explosive residue present?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html
Did you know about that?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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What is the solution over there? Talking and reasoning didn't work. How do you deal with people who only want to see you dead?
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Ron Paul 2012
see, I can do it too.
I'm having trouble figuring out if your posts are a joke or serious because of how incredibly ignorant they are. Do you know what a news article is? I suggest you read one sometime. Even someone who watches CNN for all their news can't be this ignorant.
Out of all the things I've said, all you can do is call me names and be petty? Hilarious! Yet, I'm ignorant?
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Creating conflict and war is diametrically opposed to finding a solution. To continue doing so we continue to create what we don't want, and with blood on our hands. Creating solutions isn't easy, and can be a long process that includes much inner change. And yet it's better than being what we hate, and creating what we rail against thusly extending the problem indefinitely.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
So why are the Palestinians being punished for the holocaust is the question?
Try to legitimize that nonsense...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
The "Palestinians" are being punished by their own kind. If the overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" would denounce Islamist fanatics, instead of embracing them, they would have their own state by now.
Again, when you embrace Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezzbollah, etc., don't expect concessions.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
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again, who is the petty one? who is the one name-calling and making wild accusations?
sorry, but as far as ignorance goes, I'm pretty sure you win. congratulations.
sorry...
that's total nonsense..
Their land is being occupied forcefully by an enemy combatant.
It's an occupation. They (Palestinians) are defending themselves. It's their land.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Noting you've said has been accurate regarding this crisis.
You are 180 degree out of phase in your understanding of the situation.
You need to research it more. 100%
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's not their land. Again they never had their own state. Let's face it, the debate about who has the right to that land will never be settled. The only thing that can ever be settled, is whether or not there will be Jews living side by side with their Arab neighbors in relative peace. If you think the Jews are going to one day pick up and hand over Israel, you're incredibly naive.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Wrong. 100% of what I've stated is accurate. Instead of taking time to call me names, I suggest going to your local library and doing some reading. You'll thank me one day for the advice.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
I have looked at this conflict and why it persists, and I've come to the conclusion that if Muslims ended their love for radicals in their midst, peace could be achieved.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Actually understanding situations as they are entail looking out beyond personal fragmentation and bias. Do you agree?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Yes it is their land they were living on it... you're not kidding anyone with that. Don't even go there.
Israel thinks they are gods chosen people and claim right to the land. That mindset is inherently racist by default.
You need to look over the chronology of what happened there.
You really do.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
In reality, there are not sides. Sides are chosen by the fragmented and biased human mind.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I never called you anything. I'm discussing the facts, of which you are not aware.
You must be playing games.. Most people know more than what you pretend to about this situation.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
you know, you're right...
these "palestinians" have no brains.... and they are the devil... who only want to kill Jews and dump them into the sea. they want to get that "land" that they call theirs back so that they can start planning to conquer the world... after all, it's the only conclusion we can come to when we try thinking "critically."
oh, and lest we forget, we have to throw in the "israel is wrong too" statement... but we all know who is REALLY wrong....
Debating if it's Arab/Jewish land is an act of futility. If you go back long enough, you can always find reasons why it's Jewish and/or Arab land. Again, that question will never be solved, but even if it was proven to be Arab land, do you honestly think the Jews are going to pick up and leave?
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012