why do you believe in God or...

spiral out

CorporateWhore wrote:

If you are an atheist but God exists, you will spend eternity in hell because you had the opportunity to believe. If you believe in God and he doesn't exist, all you did was give up a little bit of your time to worship God and forego sin. What atheism really comes down to is selfishness - it's all about what I want.

In my view that there is exactly what is wrong with religion the logic is skewed.

And i'm not really sure how being an atheist means thatwe are selfish?

stu gee

CorporateWhore wrote:

Not to sound extreme but...what's the difference between the guy who kills for fun and the guy who goes his whole life being a mediocre human being?

Because someone is a decent guy doesnt mean they have to be a mediocre human being but i think this is a side issue when i consider that you dont feel there is a difference in someone like Hitler and someone like me.

stu gee

I also think organised religion causes more problems in the world than anything else.

gue_barium

spiral out wrote:

In my view that there is exactly what is wrong with religion the logic is skewed.

And i'm not really sure how being an atheist means thatwe are selfish?

CW masks his true feelings by conveying shortcomings in others.

chopitdown

spiral out wrote:

In my view that there is exactly what is wrong with religion the logic is skewed.

And i'm not really sure how being an atheist means thatwe are selfish?

would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.

stu gee

I think im a lapsed atheist.

gue_barium

chopitdown wrote:

would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.

You, on the other hand (in contrast to CW), tend to just go along with the crowd.

nickcat0

stu gee wrote:

Because someone is a decent guy doesnt mean they have to be a mediocre human being but i think this is a side issue when i consider that you dont feel there is a difference in someone like Hitler and someone like me.

I have no idea whether God has a scale of badness relating to sins . He might well view murder as worse than adultery . But if I can compare it to our view of crime ; murder is worse than rape , which is worse than armed robbery but ....... they all get you sent to prison .

chopitdown

gue_barium wrote:

You, on the other hand (in contrast to CW), tend to just go along with the crowd.

nah, i'm just not as confrontational as CW can tend to be. just differences in personality, but thank you for noticing me

spiral out

chopitdown wrote:

would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.

Nope because all the dull people will be there, i'll be in hell with all the kool people having a party but thanks for the offer.

I mean come on seriously why as an atheist would i want to go to heaven when i don't believe that heaven exists.

stu gee

nickcat0 wrote:

I have no idea whether God has a scale of badness relating to sins . He might well view murder as worse than adultery . But if I can compare it to our view of crime ; murder is worse than rape , which is worse than armed robbery but ....... they all get you sent to prison .

Im not trying to be cheeky but have you never sinned?

chopitdown

spiral out wrote:

Nope because all the dull people will be there, i'll be in hell with all the kool people having a party but thanks for the offer.

fair enough

gue_barium

chopitdown wrote:

nah, i'm just not as confrontational as CW can tend to be. just differences in personality, but thank you for noticing me

Sure.

I think CW is more individualistic. More creative. He used to write up a storm here in this forum, and even in the poetry forum. He's got talent. He hasn't used it here in quite awhile, sorry to say.

CorporateWhore

stu gee wrote:

Because someone is a decent guy doesnt mean they have to be a mediocre human being but i think this is a side issue when i consider that you dont feel there is a difference in someone like Hitler and someone like me.

We all sin. Some more seriously than others. When you sin in your heart and no one knows, you still sin.

The reason you shouldn't say that Hitler was so horrible and you're so good is that you could end up in the same place as him when you die, even if you were a "decent person."

soulsinging

chopitdown wrote:

would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.

if god is so vain and petty and self-serving that he will only allow into heaven those people who spent X number of hours in Y church worshipping him and praising him and stroking his ego, then no, i want no part of heaven. he created flawed humans with limited faculties and then is going to damn them for eternity for making the wrong style of worship choice or being born in the wrong country? not the kinda guy i wanna hang with forever. where does it say that it is impossible to have a humble gratitude for life without the church and religion?

spiral out

CorporateWhore wrote:

We all sin. Some more seriously than others. When you sin in your heart and no one knows, you still sin.

The reason you shouldn't say that Hitler was so horrible and you're so good is that you could end up in the same place as him when you die, even if you were a "decent person."

Does that not even make you think a little bit just a tiny bit that what your saying is not true.

How can you compare a normal person who has not killed a person to one who has killed many. How can you even liken them to be the same.

Honesty the world is not black and white there are many shades of grey. Which again what is wrong with religion it allows for none of that.

I can bet that most of the worst sinners out there are religious people.

CorporateWhore

spiral out wrote:

I can bet that most of the worst sinners out there are religious people.

Correction: I can bet that most of the worst sinners out there are people.

chopitdown

spiral out wrote:

I mean come on seriously why as an atheist would i want to go to heaven when i don't believe that heaven exists.

well it just seems that some get really upset with the thought that God not letting people in to heaven and say that isn't fair. Why should you care, as an atheist? I have no idea.

stu gee

CorporateWhore wrote:

We all sin. Some more seriously than others. When you sin in your heart and no one knows, you still sin.

The reason you shouldn't say that Hitler was so horrible and you're so good is that you could end up in the same place as him when you die, even if you were a "decent person."

Im not saying im so good! But ill say what i want about people like Hitler.

My point was that i couldnt understand that if there are two places, good/bad, heaven/hell, i cant believe id be in the same place as people who i regard as evil.

To be honest, its people talking so seriously about religion that puts me off it. Organised religion is not for me.

chopitdown

gue_barium wrote:

Sure.

I think CW is more individualistic. More creative. He used to write up a storm here in this forum, and even in the poetry forum. He's got talent. He hasn't used it here in quite awhile, sorry to say.

i'm sorry for not interjecting in every thread and telling you about all of my talents, and spilling my guts...please accept my apology