If you are an atheist but God exists, you will spend eternity in hell because you had the opportunity to believe. If you believe in God and he doesn't exist, all you did was give up a little bit of your time to worship God and forego sin. What atheism really comes down to is selfishness - it's all about what I want.
In my view that there is exactly what is wrong with religion the logic is skewed.
And i'm not really sure how being an atheist means thatwe are selfish?
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Not to sound extreme but...what's the difference between the guy who kills for fun and the guy who goes his whole life being a mediocre human being?
Because someone is a decent guy doesnt mean they have to be a mediocre human being but i think this is a side issue when i consider that you dont feel there is a difference in someone like Hitler and someone like me.
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
In my view that there is exactly what is wrong with religion the logic is skewed.
And i'm not really sure how being an atheist means thatwe are selfish?
would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.
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would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.
You, on the other hand (in contrast to CW), tend to just go along with the crowd.
Because someone is a decent guy doesnt mean they have to be a mediocre human being but i think this is a side issue when i consider that you dont feel there is a difference in someone like Hitler and someone like me.
I have no idea whether God has a scale of badness relating to sins . He might well view murder as worse than adultery . But if I can compare it to our view of crime ; murder is worse than rape , which is worse than armed robbery but ....... they all get you sent to prison .
would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.
Nope because all the dull people will be there, i'll be in hell with all the kool people having a party but thanks for the offer.
I mean come on seriously why as an atheist would i want to go to heaven when i don't believe that heaven exists.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I have no idea whether God has a scale of badness relating to sins . He might well view murder as worse than adultery . But if I can compare it to our view of crime ; murder is worse than rape , which is worse than armed robbery but ....... they all get you sent to prison .
Im not trying to be cheeky but have you never sinned?
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
nah, i'm just not as confrontational as CW can tend to be. just differences in personality, but thank you for noticing me
Sure.
I think CW is more individualistic. More creative. He used to write up a storm here in this forum, and even in the poetry forum. He's got talent. He hasn't used it here in quite awhile, sorry to say.
Because someone is a decent guy doesnt mean they have to be a mediocre human being but i think this is a side issue when i consider that you dont feel there is a difference in someone like Hitler and someone like me.
We all sin. Some more seriously than others. When you sin in your heart and no one knows, you still sin.
The reason you shouldn't say that Hitler was so horrible and you're so good is that you could end up in the same place as him when you die, even if you were a "decent person."
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.
if god is so vain and petty and self-serving that he will only allow into heaven those people who spent X number of hours in Y church worshipping him and praising him and stroking his ego, then no, i want no part of heaven. he created flawed humans with limited faculties and then is going to damn them for eternity for making the wrong style of worship choice or being born in the wrong country? not the kinda guy i wanna hang with forever. where does it say that it is impossible to have a humble gratitude for life without the church and religion?
We all sin. Some more seriously than others. When you sin in your heart and no one knows, you still sin.
The reason you shouldn't say that Hitler was so horrible and you're so good is that you could end up in the same place as him when you die, even if you were a "decent person."
Does that not even make you think a little bit just a tiny bit that what your saying is not true.
How can you compare a normal person who has not killed a person to one who has killed many. How can you even liken them to be the same.
Honesty the world is not black and white there are many shades of grey. Which again what is wrong with religion it allows for none of that.
I can bet that most of the worst sinners out there are religious people.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I mean come on seriously why as an atheist would i want to go to heaven when i don't believe that heaven exists.
well it just seems that some get really upset with the thought that God not letting people in to heaven and say that isn't fair. Why should you care, as an atheist? I have no idea.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
We all sin. Some more seriously than others. When you sin in your heart and no one knows, you still sin.
The reason you shouldn't say that Hitler was so horrible and you're so good is that you could end up in the same place as him when you die, even if you were a "decent person."
Im not saying im so good! But ill say what i want about people like Hitler.
My point was that i couldnt understand that if there are two places, good/bad, heaven/hell, i cant believe id be in the same place as people who i regard as evil.
To be honest, its people talking so seriously about religion that puts me off it. Organised religion is not for me.
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
I think CW is more individualistic. More creative. He used to write up a storm here in this forum, and even in the poetry forum. He's got talent. He hasn't used it here in quite awhile, sorry to say.
i'm sorry for not interjecting in every thread and telling you about all of my talents, and spilling my guts...please accept my apology
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
well it just seems that some get really upset with the thought that God not letting people in to heaven and say that isn't fair. Why should you care, as an atheist? I have no idea.
becos as i said in my post above, i am somewhat appalled by the notion of a tiny god who is more vain than paris hilton and don't see how anyone can say such a god is full of "love." it's an outright contradiction. god loves you so much he can never forgive you for picking the wrong church and will damn you to hell for not spending enough time on your knees worshipping and begging for his forgiveness. how is that love?
becos as i said in my post above, i am somewhat offended by the notion of a tiny god who is more vain than paris hilton and don't see how anyone can say such a god is full of "love."
vanity of vanities, all is vanity says Qoheleth
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
way to not even attempt to respond to my point. it's ok though, we all know you cannot becos you know in your heart of hearts im right and it makes no sense.
if god is so vain and petty and self-serving that he will only allow into heaven those people who spent X number of hours in Y church worshipping him and praising him and stroking his ego, then no, i want no part of heaven. he created flawed humans with limited faculties and then is going to damn them for eternity for making the wrong style of worship choice or being born in the wrong country? not the kinda guy i wanna hang with forever. where does it say that it is impossible to have a humble gratitude for life without the church and religion?
that's why i'm usually very careful in saying that God is the one who decides, not man. I don't think you have to spend a certain number of hours in church or worship Him in any specific way. God knows the hearts of people and that's why he judges. The way some religious people act, I have to agree with you...you'd think they are the ones making the decision
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
becos as i said in my post above, i am somewhat appalled by the notion of a tiny god who is more vain than paris hilton and don't see how anyone can say such a god is full of "love." it's an outright contradiction. god loves you so much he can never forgive you for picking the wrong church and will damn you to hell for not spending enough time on your knees worshipping and begging for his forgiveness. how is that love?
more vain than Paris, that's low...at least say more vain the Lohan...but not paris.
see my above post. God is the one who judges. ultimately God makes the decision based on his perfect knowledge.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
that's why i'm usually very careful in saying that God is the one who decides, not man. I don't think you have to spend a certain number of hours in church or worship Him in any specific way. God knows the hearts of people and that's why he judges. The way some religious people act, I have to agree with you...you'd think they are the ones making the decision
then i think this is the source of the anger you perceived. people are offended when it seems that... oh, let's pull a name out of a hat... corporatewhore is deciding who gets into heaven. they get angry when some religious person tells them they cannot go to heaven becos they do not worship in said person's church. THAT is the source of the anger. that religious people take judgment out of god's hands and coopt it for themselves. i doubt many of these people are strict atheists, but rather more agnostic and get much of their resistance to god from the arrogant and contradictory behavior of some of his followers. i think most of their disbelief is directed towards the church and its teachings, not god himself.
God knows the hearts of people and that's why he judges.
As ive said, im not religious, but i dont dismiss the idea of god at all, anything is possible. And what you said there is why i dont understand how i could end up in the same place as mass murderers. People on here will have to take my word for it but if God really knows me, he knows im not evil!! lol
I love the bit in the simpsons about homer's pleading with god and questioning why, when he is basically a good guy, he has to spend part of his day off hearing about why he is going to hell. lol
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
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In my view that there is exactly what is wrong with religion the logic is skewed.
And i'm not really sure how being an atheist means thatwe are selfish?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Because someone is a decent guy doesnt mean they have to be a mediocre human being but i think this is a side issue when i consider that you dont feel there is a difference in someone like Hitler and someone like me.
CW masks his true feelings by conveying shortcomings in others.
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would you as an atheist want to go to heaven? if you say yes, then that means that you want to do whatever you want and reject God yet still have him accept you to heaven. That seems pretty selfish on your part. If you want no part of heaven then there's no selfishness.
You, on the other hand (in contrast to CW), tend to just go along with the crowd.
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I have no idea whether God has a scale of badness relating to sins . He might well view murder as worse than adultery . But if I can compare it to our view of crime ; murder is worse than rape , which is worse than armed robbery but ....... they all get you sent to prison .
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nah, i'm just not as confrontational as CW can tend to be. just differences in personality, but thank you for noticing me
Nope because all the dull people will be there, i'll be in hell with all the kool people having a party but thanks for the offer.
I mean come on seriously why as an atheist would i want to go to heaven when i don't believe that heaven exists.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Im not trying to be cheeky but have you never sinned?
fair enough
Sure.
I think CW is more individualistic. More creative. He used to write up a storm here in this forum, and even in the poetry forum. He's got talent. He hasn't used it here in quite awhile, sorry to say.
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We all sin. Some more seriously than others. When you sin in your heart and no one knows, you still sin.
The reason you shouldn't say that Hitler was so horrible and you're so good is that you could end up in the same place as him when you die, even if you were a "decent person."
-Enoch Powell
if god is so vain and petty and self-serving that he will only allow into heaven those people who spent X number of hours in Y church worshipping him and praising him and stroking his ego, then no, i want no part of heaven. he created flawed humans with limited faculties and then is going to damn them for eternity for making the wrong style of worship choice or being born in the wrong country? not the kinda guy i wanna hang with forever. where does it say that it is impossible to have a humble gratitude for life without the church and religion?
Does that not even make you think a little bit just a tiny bit that what your saying is not true.
How can you compare a normal person who has not killed a person to one who has killed many. How can you even liken them to be the same.
Honesty the world is not black and white there are many shades of grey. Which again what is wrong with religion it allows for none of that.
I can bet that most of the worst sinners out there are religious people.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Correction: I can bet that most of the worst sinners out there are people.
-Enoch Powell
well it just seems that some get really upset with the thought that God not letting people in to heaven and say that isn't fair. Why should you care, as an atheist? I have no idea.
Im not saying im so good! But ill say what i want about people like Hitler.
My point was that i couldnt understand that if there are two places, good/bad, heaven/hell, i cant believe id be in the same place as people who i regard as evil.
To be honest, its people talking so seriously about religion that puts me off it. Organised religion is not for me.
i'm sorry for not interjecting in every thread and telling you about all of my talents, and spilling my guts...please accept my apology
becos as i said in my post above, i am somewhat appalled by the notion of a tiny god who is more vain than paris hilton and don't see how anyone can say such a god is full of "love." it's an outright contradiction. god loves you so much he can never forgive you for picking the wrong church and will damn you to hell for not spending enough time on your knees worshipping and begging for his forgiveness. how is that love?
vanity of vanities, all is vanity says Qoheleth
-Enoch Powell
way to not even attempt to respond to my point. it's ok though, we all know you cannot becos you know in your heart of hearts im right and it makes no sense.
that's why i'm usually very careful in saying that God is the one who decides, not man. I don't think you have to spend a certain number of hours in church or worship Him in any specific way. God knows the hearts of people and that's why he judges. The way some religious people act, I have to agree with you...you'd think they are the ones making the decision
more vain than Paris, that's low...at least say more vain the Lohan...but not paris.
see my above post. God is the one who judges. ultimately God makes the decision based on his perfect knowledge.
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then i think this is the source of the anger you perceived. people are offended when it seems that... oh, let's pull a name out of a hat... corporatewhore is deciding who gets into heaven. they get angry when some religious person tells them they cannot go to heaven becos they do not worship in said person's church. THAT is the source of the anger. that religious people take judgment out of god's hands and coopt it for themselves. i doubt many of these people are strict atheists, but rather more agnostic and get much of their resistance to god from the arrogant and contradictory behavior of some of his followers. i think most of their disbelief is directed towards the church and its teachings, not god himself.
As ive said, im not religious, but i dont dismiss the idea of god at all, anything is possible. And what you said there is why i dont understand how i could end up in the same place as mass murderers. People on here will have to take my word for it but if God really knows me, he knows im not evil!! lol
I love the bit in the simpsons about homer's pleading with god and questioning why, when he is basically a good guy, he has to spend part of his day off hearing about why he is going to hell. lol
Psalms would disagree...
In him our hearts rejoice, for we trust in his holy name!
-Enoch Powell
Q: That's rather profound.
A: Thank you.
Q: It kind of conjures up an image for me of a prison cell.
A: Sure, sure... I can see that.
Q: Can I quote you?
A: Any time.
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