9/11 Truth: Bush Admin. sets the towers to fall, raises military budget, Iraq for OIL

WindNoSail

hippiemom wrote:

Here's an alternate view from Skeptic magazine.

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11.html

Thank you.

cincybearcat wrote:

People continue to waste time and energy focusing on the wrong things.

Instead of actually investigating what happened, why it happened, what went wrong with the response, how do we fix those issues, people continue to believe in the great myth of an all powerful George W that is dumb as rocks but can pull off the biggest consiracy since the moon landing (that's a joke).

And a lot of people want people wasting their time on this junk because it keeps them from asking the real questions.

Thank you.

Seriously, I just hope that most people are smart enough not to buy into this. On so many levels it is so false and inconsistent with reality. Unfortunately and with sadness I see that quite a few PJ fans are just this easily led, which is opposite of what I believe about this band.

PaperPlates

El_Kabong wrote:

and yet you can't seem to stay away....

and you never seem to go away. Funny, idnt it?

trappedinmyradio

my question has always been: if commercial planes didn't hit the WTC 1 and 2, or the pentagon...then what happened to those three planes that had a couple of hundred people on them and what happened to those people?

i agree that people are focusing on the wrong things. that's obvious. wasted energy.

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

there it is again. enough with this bullshit website. you people are so fucking brainwashed.

jlew24asu

El_Kabong wrote:

and it fell so fast, well it was near free fall speed,

like I said, concrete and steel are heavy. the buildings were over 1000ft high. when they are supported anymore, they have one way to go. DOWN. and fast.

El_Kabong wrote:

the....friction melted the steel...? funny, when the jet fuel arguement falls apart you guys go for the next convenient...

why do you keep saying "melted" steel. steel doesnt have to melt. just weaken. and since certain support structures were taking on hundreds on tons of added pressure, those support columns didnt need much more weakness to give.

and can you imagine, I'm came up with all this on my own.

El_Kabong wrote:

and what about building 7, it fell because....?

no body died or was even injured when 7 came down. not that concerned about this internally destroyed, wasted building, coming down and hurting no one. I'll wait for the report to come out.

trappedinmyradio

compromised structure, "faulty" engineering, bad assumptions, poor egree planning...and the way the building was designed...led to what happened following the moment of impact...most people want to point a finger instead of looking at the myriad of factors that came together as a downforce on the buildings...it's easier that way...you don't need to understand anything about deductive reasoning, or rational thought...

jlew24asu wrote:

like I said, concrete and steel are heavy. the buildings were over 1000ft high. when they are supported anymore, they have one way to go. DOWN. and fast.



why do you keep saying "melted" steel. steel doesnt have to melt. just weaken. and since certain support structures were taking on hundreds on tons of added pressure, those support columns didnt need much more weakness to give.

and can you imagine, I'm came up with all this on my own.



no body died or was even injured when 7 came down. not that concerned about this internally destroyed, wasted building, coming down and hurting no one. I'll wait for the report to come out.

DPrival78

gue_barium wrote:

Are you sure about this?

yep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaMxaykpi5o&mode=related&search=

Specifics

jeffbr wrote:

Conspiracies require participants to be very secretive. As the number of disparate groups increases, and the links between the groups become more tenuous, it minimizes the probability that they could act in concert. And as I said above, it would take some pretty amazing coordination between the groups, in addition to an unheard of level of secrecy to have actually pulled it off.

Unheard of levels of secrecy?! hahahaha

Lots of Yanks are ok...nowhere in the world tho is there as many dopey people.

Oh to be a politician in America....what a dream that must be...

jlew24asu

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Specifics

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MakingWaves

Specifics wrote:

Unheard of levels of secrecy?! hahahaha

Lots of Yanks are ok...nowhere in the world tho is there as many dopey people.

Oh to be a politician in America....what a dream that must be...

I am an american and agree with you. It is embarassing and this is proof of the dumbing of america. People across the world just have to laugh when they see such ignorant crap as this.

I wonder what the average education is of people who actually believe this 9/11 conspiracy shit?

jlew24asu

Specifics wrote:

"would rather be a chimp than a JLew" specifics 2007

I rest my case

jlew24asu

MakingWaves wrote:

I am an american and agree with you. It is embarassing and this is proof of the dumbing of america. People across the world just have to laugh when they see such ignorant crap as this.

I wonder what the average education is of people who actually believe this 9/11 conspiracy shit?

maybe I'm wrong but thats not what he is saying.

and only a very small percentage of people in america, sadly many on this board, buy into the conspiracy bullshit

MakingWaves

jlew24asu wrote:

maybe I'm wrong but thats not what he is saying.
and only a very small percentage of people in america, sadly many on this board, buy into the conspiracy bullshit

Looking back, I can see that I might be wrong in thinking what he was saying. So point taken.

Yeah, I shouldn't let seeing so many people on here buying into it make me think that there are just as many people in the rest of the country believing the same thing. It is just annoying as hell for some reason and it isn't because I am a Bush supporter, because I'm not. I have to say that because people will assume I am when they see I am from the South.

jeffbr

Specifics wrote:

Unheard of levels of secrecy?! hahahaha

Lots of Yanks are ok...nowhere in the world tho is there as many dopey people.

Oh to be a politician in America....what a dream that must be...

From your follow-on post it is clear that you equate people who don't believe in wild conspiracy theories to be the 51% who voted for Bush.

I've got a newsflash for you - the vast majority of Americans do not believe in conspiracy theories. Therefore a large number of people who don't believe in these 9/11 fairy tales also did not vote for Bush (myself included).

I know you fancy yourself so much more sophisticated and intelligent than the average American, but none of your 40 posts on this board have done a thing to disabuse us of the notion that you, in fact, are the dopey one. Have a great day!

yield2me

jeffbr wrote:

From your follow-on post it is clear that you equate people who don't believe in wild conspiracy theories to be the 51% who voted for Bush.

I've got a newsflash for you - the vast majority of Americans do not believe in conspiracy theories. Therefore a large number of people who don't believe in these 9/11 fairy tales also did not vote for Bush (myself included).

I know you fancy yourself so much more sophisticated and intelligent than the average American, but none of your 40 posts on this board have done a thing to disabuse us of the notion that you, in fact, are the dopey one. Have a great day!

lol...that made my day

Specifics

jeffbr wrote:

From your follow-on post it is clear that you equate people who don't believe in wild conspiracy theories to be the 51% who voted for Bush.

I've got a newsflash for you - the vast majority of Americans do not believe in conspiracy theories. Therefore a large number of people who don't believe in these 9/11 fairy tales also did not vote for Bush (myself included).

I know you fancy yourself so much more sophisticated and intelligent than the average American, but none of your 40 posts on this board have done a thing to disabuse us of the notion that you, in fact, are the dopey one. Have a great day!

I was merely, and still am (well even more now), laughing at how someone so "sophisticated and intelligent" cannot believe there are "unheard of" (secret) levels of "secrecy" (secret).

You had no chance of understanding it first time, you probably still dont.

Dont worry though, Jlew is still the biggest idiot here.

You are second though.

I liked it so much here it is again:

Oh to be a politician in America.....what a dream that must be

Im having a great day thank you -)

(im still laughing please say something to stop me or im not gonna do anything else, but please no more long words they dont help at all hahahahahaha)

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

there it is again. enough with this bullshit website. you people are so fucking brainwashed.

Why do you think the site is the site bullshit? If you care to actually trying to discuss this topic than we can talk but I'd prefer if you dropped the tactic of discussing each other. It's weak. Why do you people get so hostile about people who may see things differently than you?

El_Kabong

Thorns2010 wrote:

Just so you know, back in 2001 fighter jets were NOT stationed at Andrew's Air Force base. Back then and today it is mostly used for military transportation.

My brother worked for the Air Force, and now works with the Army Core Of Engineers, and when he was home for Christmas I asked him about fighter jets based at Andrew's.

Take it as you will, but that is what I know to be true.

And on an un-related note he now has Top Secret clearence, and I was jokingly asking him about Roswell and the like and he said 'You're not even asking the right questions'

That right there was kind of scary!!! They be doing stuff that the normal public doesn't even have an idea is going on!

wait a minute...i was thinking...isn't air force 1 stationed there? so it doesn't seem likely they'd have no support for air force 1 and 2...so i looked up their site and it says:

Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland
The 316th Wing -- the base's host wing -- is responsible for intaining emergency reaction rotary-wing airlift and other National Capital Region contingency response capabilities critical to national security and for organizing, training, equipping and deploying combat-ready forces for Air and Space Expeditionary Forces. The wing also provides installation security, services and airfield management to support the President, Vice President, other U.S. senior leaders and more than 50 tenant organizations and federal agencies

then i clicked some more and found:

As the host wing at Andrew Air Force Base, the 316th Wing provides contingency response capability critical to national security to include emergency reaction rotary-wing airlift for the National Capital Region, combat-ready Airmen to Air and Space Expeditionary Forces, and a secure installation and robust infrastructure to support Andrews Air Force Base organizations.


annnnnd when i clicked on even more it says there are F-16 Fighting Falcons as well as EA-6B Prowlers...now, F-16 are fighter jets, right?

El_Kabong

DPrival78 wrote:

speaking of missing money.. don't forget that on sept 10, 2001, rumsfeld was on tv saying that the pentagon "lost" 2.3 trillion dollars.

2.3 trillion dollars.

lost.

the attacks of the next day completely swept that whole thing under the rug.

yeah, i made a thread about that a few months ago....then 9/11 happened and there was no more talk of investigations into the missing money....