you need to read the thread to know what you think?
i asked you first; what do you think caused building 7 to collapse?
i will say structural damage to building 7 caused the collapse.....
ok then.....im am truly serious here Mr. Kabong....i would like to hear exactly what it is that you think caused those twin towers to collapse and who it is that you think was responsible for flying those planes.
you have obviously done much more research on the twin towers than i have.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
"i asked you first".......pfft............what do YOU think caused them to fall? He only asked because he knows your answer is retarded and laughable. Noone here is really interested in your theories, besides wikpedia and a few other wack jobs.
"i asked you first".......pfft............what do YOU think caused them to fall? He only asked because he knows your answer is retarded and laughable. Noone here is really interested in your theories, besides wikpedia and a few other wack jobs.
wikipedia is interested in my theories? i had no idea
nice to see you haven't being reading the thread or the information contained in it...you do seem to have a problem making your replies centered around the topic instead of petty personal attacks, didn't that get you into trouble before a few times, ve? if you'd like to discuss the topic then feel free, there's no need to talk about me, it only proves you have nothing to say or add
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i will say structural damage to building 7 caused the collapse.....
ok then.....im am truly serious here Mr. Kabong....i would like to hear exactly what it is that you think caused those twin towers to collapse and who it is that you think was responsible for flying those planes.
you have obviously done much more research on the twin towers than i have.
structural damage? building 7 was the furthest away of all the buildings and several closer buildings, taller buildings too, sustating far greater damage...just seems an odd coinikydink that the only steel framed buildings to fall like that all fell at near free fall speed and were all owned by the same guy who took out a record insurance policy on them and went to court trying to keep the money instead of putting it into rebuilding....
as far as who flew them...i'm not entirely sure... NASA and the government did fly and land airliners by remote control in the 80's and such software/equipment is avaialble for those models of airliners...also, former military pilots have stated there is no way that airliner could've made those sharp manuevers it did in DC and the flight software would not allow such manuevers to be performed b/c of the high g's and it would send the plane into a stall if it was done
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
structural damage? building 7 was the furthest away of all the buildings and several closer buildings, taller buildings too, sustating far greater damage...just seems an odd coinikydink that the only steel framed buildings to fall like that all fell at near free fall speed and were all owned by the same guy who took out a record insurance policy on them and went to court trying to keep the money instead of putting it into rebuilding....
as far as who flew them...i'm not entirely sure... NASA and the government did fly and land airliners by remote control in the 80's and such software/equipment is avaialble for those models of airliners...also, former military pilots have stated there is no way that airliner could've made those sharp manuevers it did in DC and the flight software would not allow such manuevers to be performed b/c of the high g's and it would send the plane into a stall if it was done
do you believe there were some type of controlled explosives involved??
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
do you believe there were some type of controlled explosives involved??
doh, thought i said it in the last reply...yes, i do
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
ok.....and believe me i am not trying to give you a hard time here...
i am just curious....
so you believe it could have been the american government that might have remote controlled thiose planes??
or was it strictly al-queda???
who do you think was involved in setting up the explosive devices??
america??? or al-queda??
So do you think it is very cut and dry? Even though there is all sorts of unanswered questions We may never know because the questions aren't even being investigated and I certainly don't know who did what, but there is DEFININTELY something fishy going on.
So do you think it is very cut and dry? Even though there is all sorts of unanswered questions We may never know because the questions aren't even being investigated and I certainly don't know who did what, but there is DEFININTELY something fishy going on.
well my only question would be....
if someone thinks that the american government was involved in the destruction and death caused by 9-11....
what on earth did the american government have to gain by doing such a thing???
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
So do you think it is very cut and dry? Even though there is all sorts of unanswered questions We may never know because the questions aren't even being investigated and I certainly don't know who did what, but there is DEFININTELY something fishy going on.
There is a difference between unanswered questions and confusion about the official report, and the incredible, irrational belief that the US Govt orchestrated and participated in destruction of the buildings and planes.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
ok.....and believe me i am not trying to give you a hard time here...
i am just curious....
so you believe it could have been the american government that might have remote controlled thiose planes??
or was it strictly al-queda???
who do you think was involved in setting up the explosive devices??
america??? or al-queda??
i think it was certain elements within our government and military/industrial complex working w/ elements of other foreign governments like the isi <pakistan's cia, the wall street journal reported shortly before 9/11 the head of the isi wired mohammed atta a lot of money>...it just seems too odd a coincidence that 2 months before 9/11 they take the authority to intercept hijacked aircraft or aircraft that deviates from it's filed flight path or won't respond to radio calls away from NORAD and the military and gave it to rumsfeld...so instead of NORAD or the militarty scrambling fighters a known hijacked plane was able to fly for over 90 minutes, penetrate DC's no fly zone not once but twice and hit the pentagon w/o anything in our trillion dollar defense doing anything about it...instead you have rummy give the power to cheney who waits until right before the pentagon is hit, again over 90 min since the first tower was hit, to scramble fighters...SOP says when this happens you immediately scramble fighters to intercept the plane to see what's going on...this was done several times the year before and the first 7 months of 2001...
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
if someone thinks that the american government was involved in the destruction and death caused by 9-11....
what on earth did the american government have to gain by doing such a thing???
read pnac's paper written spetember 2000...in it that lay out their agenda...invade iraq, increase defense spending by a whole lot, global dominance, break the nuclear non proliferation treaty and build new nukes....they end it by saying the only way to get enough public support would be for a new pearl harbor to occur...this was their reishtag fire...close to $9billion is missing from iraq and that's not counting the gross war profiteering...i wonder where all that money went?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
They'll tell you that the gov't created the event as a justification for the war.
if you're gonna speak for others at least be correct about it...to say 'the government' is oversimplifying it and distorting it...it's not the government, perse, just certain elements within it and the private sector
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
if you're gonna speak for others at least be correct about it...to say 'the government' is oversimplifying it and distorting it...it's not the government, perse, just certain elements within it and the private sector
He knows that but it's easier to discredit something by making it seem ridiculous instead of saying what has actually been discussed.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
if someone thinks that the american government was involved in the destruction and death caused by 9-11....
what on earth did the american government have to gain by doing such a thing???
i don't think it was limited to just the american government. but, to answer your very important question, i would suggest familiarizing yourself with a little group known as PNAC.. and thats just scratching the surface.
briefly, PNAC (project for a new american century) is a neo-conservative think-tank that included such members as dick cheney, richard perle, paul wolfowitz, and others. in sept of '00, they put out a report that laid out their goals for america, which included: war on iraq, establishing a wide-spread, permanent military presence in the middle east, and a general increase in american military dominance all over the world. in the report, they happen to say that these goals are unattainable "absent some catastrophic, catalyzing event - like a new pearl harbor." coincidentally (or not), one year later, that event takes place, and off we go, following the preconceived PNAC blueprint.
He knows that but it's easier to discredit something by making it seem ridiculous instead of saying what has actually been discussed.
Well, saying it is the govt + the private sector + some special interest groups + some foreign govts seems even more ridiculous, so I was actually minimizing or downplaying the fantasic nature of the theory.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Well, saying it is the govt + the private sector + some special interest groups + some foreign govts seems even more ridiculous, so I was actually minimizing or downplaying the fantasic nature of the theory.
do you not think that governments, and special interest groups are not in bed with each other?
i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
Well, saying it is the govt + the private sector + some special interest groups + some foreign govts seems even more ridiculous, so I was actually minimizing or downplaying the fantasic nature of the theory.
How is that more ridiculous? I don't see why that would be at all?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
do you not think that governments, and special interest groups are not in bed with each other?
Oh, I totally think that there are special interest groups that own politicians in our government. Those groups buy favors, legislation, contracts, etc... But I don't think that they have formed some sort of shadow government that would have the control and coordination necessary to have pulled this off.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
How is that more ridiculous? I don't see why that would be at all?
Conspiracies require participants to be very secretive. As the number of disparate groups increases, and the links between the groups become more tenuous, it minimizes the probability that they could act in concert. And as I said above, it would take some pretty amazing coordination between the groups, in addition to an unheard of level of secrecy to have actually pulled it off.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Conspiracies require participants to be very secretive. As the number of disparate groups increases, and the links between the groups become more tenuous, it minimizes the probability that they could act in concert. And as I said above, it would take some pretty amazing coordination between the groups, in addition to an unheard of level of secrecy to have actually pulled it off.
Well, it doesn't seem too top secret considering how so many of us are discussing it right now. Also, I sure wouldn't open my mouth if I could be tied in with this huge, hideous crime. Plus I wouldn't talk and risk my life or the lives of my family. And also there have been plenty of things that stay secret that required huge cover ups...so that alone isn't enough to rest my questions with the official story and the many holes surrounding it. Just the fact that that there's no real surveillance tapes from the PENTAGON...c'mon!! Many schools have better surveillance than what they've released to us. And the surveillance tapes being confiscated from the gas station and hotel across the highway and never being released. I could go on and on.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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i will say structural damage to building 7 caused the collapse.....
ok then.....im am truly serious here Mr. Kabong....i would like to hear exactly what it is that you think caused those twin towers to collapse and who it is that you think was responsible for flying those planes.
you have obviously done much more research on the twin towers than i have.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I can tell ur just ready to soak up knowledge.
wikipedia is interested in my theories? i had no idea
nice to see you haven't being reading the thread or the information contained in it...you do seem to have a problem making your replies centered around the topic instead of petty personal attacks, didn't that get you into trouble before a few times, ve? if you'd like to discuss the topic then feel free, there's no need to talk about me, it only proves you have nothing to say or add
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
structural damage? building 7 was the furthest away of all the buildings and several closer buildings, taller buildings too, sustating far greater damage...just seems an odd coinikydink that the only steel framed buildings to fall like that all fell at near free fall speed and were all owned by the same guy who took out a record insurance policy on them and went to court trying to keep the money instead of putting it into rebuilding....
as far as who flew them...i'm not entirely sure... NASA and the government did fly and land airliners by remote control in the 80's and such software/equipment is avaialble for those models of airliners...also, former military pilots have stated there is no way that airliner could've made those sharp manuevers it did in DC and the flight software would not allow such manuevers to be performed b/c of the high g's and it would send the plane into a stall if it was done
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
doh, thought i said it in the last reply...yes, i do
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i am just curious....
so you believe it could have been the american government that might have remote controlled thiose planes??
or was it strictly al-queda???
who do you think was involved in setting up the explosive devices??
america??? or al-queda??
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
So do you think it is very cut and dry? Even though there is all sorts of unanswered questions We may never know because the questions aren't even being investigated and I certainly don't know who did what, but there is DEFININTELY something fishy going on.
if someone thinks that the american government was involved in the destruction and death caused by 9-11....
what on earth did the american government have to gain by doing such a thing???
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
There is a difference between unanswered questions and confusion about the official report, and the incredible, irrational belief that the US Govt orchestrated and participated in destruction of the buildings and planes.
They'll tell you that the gov't created the event as a justification for the war.
i think it was certain elements within our government and military/industrial complex working w/ elements of other foreign governments like the isi <pakistan's cia, the wall street journal reported shortly before 9/11 the head of the isi wired mohammed atta a lot of money>...it just seems too odd a coincidence that 2 months before 9/11 they take the authority to intercept hijacked aircraft or aircraft that deviates from it's filed flight path or won't respond to radio calls away from NORAD and the military and gave it to rumsfeld...so instead of NORAD or the militarty scrambling fighters a known hijacked plane was able to fly for over 90 minutes, penetrate DC's no fly zone not once but twice and hit the pentagon w/o anything in our trillion dollar defense doing anything about it...instead you have rummy give the power to cheney who waits until right before the pentagon is hit, again over 90 min since the first tower was hit, to scramble fighters...SOP says when this happens you immediately scramble fighters to intercept the plane to see what's going on...this was done several times the year before and the first 7 months of 2001...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
read pnac's paper written spetember 2000...in it that lay out their agenda...invade iraq, increase defense spending by a whole lot, global dominance, break the nuclear non proliferation treaty and build new nukes....they end it by saying the only way to get enough public support would be for a new pearl harbor to occur...this was their reishtag fire...close to $9billion is missing from iraq and that's not counting the gross war profiteering...i wonder where all that money went?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
if you're gonna speak for others at least be correct about it...to say 'the government' is oversimplifying it and distorting it...it's not the government, perse, just certain elements within it and the private sector
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
He knows that but it's easier to discredit something by making it seem ridiculous instead of saying what has actually been discussed.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i don't think it was limited to just the american government. but, to answer your very important question, i would suggest familiarizing yourself with a little group known as PNAC.. and thats just scratching the surface.
briefly, PNAC (project for a new american century) is a neo-conservative think-tank that included such members as dick cheney, richard perle, paul wolfowitz, and others. in sept of '00, they put out a report that laid out their goals for america, which included: war on iraq, establishing a wide-spread, permanent military presence in the middle east, and a general increase in american military dominance all over the world. in the report, they happen to say that these goals are unattainable "absent some catastrophic, catalyzing event - like a new pearl harbor." coincidentally (or not), one year later, that event takes place, and off we go, following the preconceived PNAC blueprint.
watch "hijacking catastrophe" when you get the chance:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3320922145165829917&q=hijacking+catastrophe
**edit: oops, kabong beat me to it..
Well, saying it is the govt + the private sector + some special interest groups + some foreign govts seems even more ridiculous, so I was actually minimizing or downplaying the fantasic nature of the theory.
speaking of missing money.. don't forget that on sept 10, 2001, rumsfeld was on tv saying that the pentagon "lost" 2.3 trillion dollars.
2.3 trillion dollars.
lost.
the attacks of the next day completely swept that whole thing under the rug.
do you not think that governments, and special interest groups are not in bed with each other?
How is that more ridiculous? I don't see why that would be at all?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
interesting???
page 5 seems to explain why 7 collapsed.....
and this information is according to NIST.....correct????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Oh, I totally think that there are special interest groups that own politicians in our government. Those groups buy favors, legislation, contracts, etc... But I don't think that they have formed some sort of shadow government that would have the control and coordination necessary to have pulled this off.
Are you sure about this?
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Conspiracies require participants to be very secretive. As the number of disparate groups increases, and the links between the groups become more tenuous, it minimizes the probability that they could act in concert. And as I said above, it would take some pretty amazing coordination between the groups, in addition to an unheard of level of secrecy to have actually pulled it off.
7a???
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Well, it doesn't seem too top secret considering how so many of us are discussing it right now. Also, I sure wouldn't open my mouth if I could be tied in with this huge, hideous crime. Plus I wouldn't talk and risk my life or the lives of my family. And also there have been plenty of things that stay secret that required huge cover ups...so that alone isn't enough to rest my questions with the official story and the many holes surrounding it. Just the fact that that there's no real surveillance tapes from the PENTAGON...c'mon!! Many schools have better surveillance than what they've released to us. And the surveillance tapes being confiscated from the gas station and hotel across the highway and never being released. I could go on and on.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....