We are here debating this. If you have nothing but personal insults to sling around, just go away. All you're going to do is get yourself banned for acting like a hateful, little child. You really should work on some anger management.
careful, he might threaten to get some of his guy friends and beat you up again! :eek:
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
We are here debating this. If you have nothing but personal insults to sling around, just go away. All you're going to do is get yourself banned for acting like a hateful, little child. You really should work on some anger management.
I'm sorry but it's seriously hilarious. Like, this is like watching the South Park episode where they make fun of 911truth.org. You can't make this shit up! I'm sorry that you take it so seriously, but I don't.
Take a chill pill...
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
careful, he might threaten to get some of his guy friends and beat you up again! :eek:
Haha, huh?
Hey it's cool: you keep believing that there was a massive conspiracy that killed 3,000 Americans (even though peanuts kill more Americans than that!) just so Bush could go to war with little chance of success and a brown spot on his presidential legacy the size of an elephant skid mark. Seriously, that's fine. Even though reason flies in the face of every single one of the arguments you're making, don't mind me. I'll sit here and watch the posts come, because they are getting damn good. DAMN good. This is better than South Park, in fact.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
wouldn't the software be the same...so that even with remote control, the planes could not make those maneuvers...???
Kabong already posted an article about this.....
"As well as fully autonomous flight capability, the 767 and 757 are the ONLY COMMUTER PLANES MADE BY BOEING THAT CAN BE FLOWN VIA REMOTE CONTROL. It is a feature that is standard to all of them, all 757's and 767's can do it. The purpose for this is if there is a problem with the pilots, Norad can fly the planes to safe destinations via remote. Only in this flight mode can those craft exceed their software limits and perform to their actual physical limits because a pre existing emergency situation is assumed if this mode of flight is used."
Norad no longer had the authority to control the planes via remote control to prevent the planes from hitting their targets. Two months before 9/11, Cheney had the authority switched from them to the Sec of Def.
i've said it before...if the government could pull this off, what makes you, or anyone, believe that your efforts are worthwhile? if they can get away with that, can't they get away with anything?
Are we just supposed to ignore any questions we have and read Chicken Soup For the Soul, instead? It's interesting and I think it's worth sharing and discussing...if you don't then that's your own decision. Maybe if enough people start questioning it and demanding anwsers it would put a end to this kind of shit.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Hey it's cool: you keep believing that there was a massive conspiracy that killed 3,000 Americans (even though peanuts kill more Americans than that!) just so Bush could go to war with little chance of success and a brown spot on his presidential legacy the size of an elephant skid mark. Seriously, that's fine. Even though reason flies in the face of every single one of the arguments you're making, don't mind me. I'll sit here and watch the posts come, because they are getting damn good. DAMN good. This is better than South Park, in fact.
Again nothing to add.
The reason wasn't just about going to Iraq. It's about instilling fear into the populace in order to gain much more power. Over simplifying the points to make it seem like you have one isn't going to work for ya.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
the question about your efforts was to you - i didn't say what i thought, so, please, STOP ASSUMING THINGS.
i've seen it stated here that you cannot make those types of maneuvers with those planes...or that software doesn't allow you to do it...or...whatever...
the inconsistency of the conspiracy theorists is what makes me think they are full of shit.
anyway, as before, you people bore me...same shit...different day...
who's afraid here? i'm not afraid of anything...least of all, my government...don't forget, as long as you live here, it's YOUR government too.
"As well as fully autonomous flight capability, the 767 and 757 are the ONLY COMMUTER PLANES MADE BY BOEING THAT CAN BE FLOWN VIA REMOTE CONTROL. It is a feature that is standard to all of them, all 757's and 767's can do it. The purpose for this is if there is a problem with the pilots, Norad can fly the planes to safe destinations via remote. Only in this flight mode can those craft exceed their software limits and perform to their actual physical limits because a pre existing emergency situation is assumed if this mode of flight is used."
Norad no longer had the authority to control the planes via remote control to prevent the planes from hitting their targets. Two months before 9/11, Cheney had the authority switched from them to the Sec of Def.
Are we just supposed to ignore any questions we have and read Chicken Soup For the Soul, instead? It's interesting and I think it's worth sharing and discussing...if you don't then that's your own decision. Maybe if enough people start questioning it and demanding anwsers it would put a end to this kind of shit.
The reason wasn't just about going to Iraq. It's about instilling fear into the populace in order to gain much more power.
Ok, so how did he gain more power? The Patriot Act??? Are you seriously going to tell me that the Patriot Act is "much more power?" Wire tapping? Is that powerful? You have NO IDEA how much power the president can have during times of war.
You want to talk about "much more power?" FDR locked up 110,000 Japanese during WWII. Truman ended WWII by dropping a nuke on 214,000 civilians! Abe Lincoln took the habeus corpus rights of journalists who "spoke against him!"
And Bush is going to kill a measeley 3,000 people so he can spy on my phone sex chats and look at my porn? Is that right?
Hahahaha
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Ok, so how did he gain more power? The Patriot Act??? Are you seriously going to tell me that the Patriot Act is "much more power?" Wire tapping? Is that powerful? You have NO IDEA how much power the president can have during times of war.
You want to talk about "much more power?" FDR locked up 110,000 Japanese during WWII. Truman ended WWII by dropping a nuke on 214,000 civilians! Abe Lincoln took the habeus corpus rights of journalists who "spoke against him!"
And Bush is going to kill a measeley 3,000 people so he can spy on my phone sex chats and look at my porn? Is that right?
Hahahaha
Are you kidding me? You guys are fine with giving up more and more of your liberty in order to 'keep us safe'. Where does it end and you finally say 'no more'?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
the question about your efforts was to you - i didn't say what i thought, so, please, STOP ASSUMING THINGS.
i've seen it stated here that you cannot make those types of maneuvers with those planes...or that software doesn't allow you to do it...or...whatever...
the inconsistency of the conspiracy theorists is what makes me think they are full of shit.
anyway, as before, you people bore me...same shit...different day...
who's afraid here? i'm not afraid of anything...least of all, my government...don't forget, as long as you live here, it's YOUR government too.
What did I assume? I asked you a question then I said 'if' in another sentence.
So the official theory has been consistant? Far from it. We've been pointing those inconsistancies out but I guess it's ok to excuse them since they are the official ones. And it's not so much inconsistancy as it is discussion of possibilities because NONE of us have any way of knowing for sure what happened. If it's so boring then by all means, don't let me hold you up.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Are you kidding me? You guys are fine with giving up more and more of your liberty in order to 'keep us safe'. Where does it end and you finally say 'no more'?
You are failing to see my point:
Bush did not "blow up the twin towers" to gain more power. If he had done it for that reason, then he failed. In comparison to prior presidents, he has gained NO power.
Bush did not blow up the twin towers. Both of your motives make no sense: Iraq is a failure and blot on his presidency. And, he has gained no power and he leaves the office in disgrace. Did he just fail? Was he expecting more power than he got? Nah. He didn't blow up the twin towers. It's completely unreasonable.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Bush did not "blow up the twin towers" to gain more power. If he had done it for that reason, then he failed. In comparison to prior presidents, he has gained NO power.
Bush did not blow up the twin towers. Both of your motives make no sense: Iraq is a failure and blot on his presidency. And, he has gained no power and he leaves the office in disgrace. Did he just fail? Was he expecting more power than he got? Nah. He didn't blow up the twin towers. It's completely unreasonable.
I don't think Bush blew up anything. They have gained plenty of power and authority. There was no case for war before the attacks that the public would have bought into....the costs alone would make public object. The war may be a failure but that just looks bad on Bush. What about the defense contractors, private interests etc that have made billions???
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What did I assume? I asked you a question then I said 'if' in another sentence.
So the official theory has been consistant? Far from it. We've been pointing those inconsistancies out but I guess it's ok to excuse them since they are the official ones. And it's not so much inconsistancy as it is discussion of possibilities because NONE of us have any way of knowing for sure what happened. If it's so boring then by all means, don't let me hold you up.
all of them are inconsistent...you have just decided to rail against one in particular...you've championed the internal explosives planted by agents of the u.s. government for the reason buildings 1 and 2 fell...that one just doesn't work for me...if you're postulating what could have happened then you, at least, have to say that the official commision report could be what happened. what do you feel you are accomplishing by being here talking about this? how do you feel it is affecting change?
I don't think Bush blew up anything. They have gained plenty of power and authority. There was no case for war before the attacks that the public would have bought into....the costs alone would make public object. The war may be a failure but that just looks bad on Bush. What about the defense contractors, private interests etc that have made billions???
yeah, bush isn't going to be the president forever...he knew that...but, his interests will be his interests as long as he wants them to be...these things are why i believe that this was a convenient occurence for the administration and their interests...but, i don't think they orchestrated it. but, i do think they watched the symphony perform...
Are you kidding me? You guys are fine with giving up more and more of your liberty in order to 'keep us safe'. Where does it end and you finally say 'no more'?
So I can infer from your statement that you against undue restrictions on our rights just so we can 'feel safe'?
I don't think Bush blew up anything. They have gained plenty of power and authority. There was no case for war before the attacks that the public would have bought into....the costs alone would make public object. The war may be a failure but that just looks bad on Bush. What about the defense contractors, private interests etc that have made billions???
Hah, nah. Bush didn't make any money from it. Why would he allow it? Nice try, though.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
you know even back in 2001 i was calling bush 'the puppet of pnac', no one thinks bush had anything to do w/ it other than being a bafoon...
i don't think it was the american 'government', you know that and so do all the others who throw that misconception around. i think it was groups like the neo-con group pnac <cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, perle, jeb bush...> as well as parts of foreign governments and ppl in the private sector.
i have also said several times that it wasn't 'just to go to iraq'. iraq was a part of their agenda, sure, but not all of it, it was easy to accomplish that quicker than several of their goals...it's about getting the power and authority to get away w/ doing whatever they want...'free-speech' zones, extraordinary rendition, wiretapping our phones, reading our mail, justifying torture, getting rid of any due process...
they already accomplished other goals, they broke the nuclear non-proliferation treaty....
and you can't say these ppl haven't profited! daddy bush's company <that also has several other former cabinet members> is the leading arms supplier for the war in iraq! halliburton's stock went from under $10 to over $80! around $9 billion missing in iraq, $2.9TRILLION missing from the pentagon.....
tell me,mr capitalism, if something shows to be profitable, what does the manufacturer usually do? push more.
and that is why it is about bin laden and not saddam. first, it's a lot easier to pin it on bin laden and a concept rather than a person and a country. it is painfully obvious. is saddam hung? did iraq have elections? then why would the ppl keep letting so much of our money be spent on wars and bombs instead of here? and they even said it themselves, they don't care about bin laden b/c capturing him won't really accomplish much, he will be replaced and that this could last decades....they need that constant fear and terror to whip out and whip the populace into a panic to gain support. come on, look at how they milk 9/11 for political gains and emotion.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I don't want to answer it for the millionth time only to have you ignore it. Use the search function.
ignore it??? i always answered you.
come on, prove to us all how quick and easy it is to find these millions of posts of yours answering this. if you can't answer the question just say so
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i don't think it was the american 'government', you know that and so do all the others who throw that misconception around. i think it was groups like the neo-con group pnac <cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, perle, jeb bush...> as well as parts of foreign governments and ppl in the private sector.
and you can't say these ppl haven't profited! daddy bush's company <that also has several other former cabinet members> is the leading arms supplier for the war in iraq! halliburton's stock went from under $10 to over $80! around $9 billion missing in iraq, $2.9TRILLION missing from the pentagon.....
tell me,mr capitalism, if something shows to be profitable, what does the manufacturer usually do? push more.
and that is why it is about bin laden and not saddam. first, it's a lot easier to pin it on bin laden and a concept rather than a person and a country.
all of them are inconsistent...you have just decided to rail against one in particular...you've championed the internal explosives planted by agents of the u.s. government for the reason buildings 1 and 2 fell...that one just doesn't work for me...if you're postulating what could have happened then you, at least, have to say that the official commision report could be what happened. what do you feel you are accomplishing by being here talking about this? how do you feel it is affecting change?
The official one just isn't working for me. There are, of course, plenty of possibilities. But when the official theory just isn't adding up it begs for questioning which I am doing and learning along the way. I learn more everytime we have these discussions.
Let me ask you, why did building 7 fall? Why did some firemen report hearing explosions coming from the basement of buildings 1 and 2? I had made a thread with a great documentary about the collapes during the summer but when I tried to pull the thread up again I found the link no longer works. They got really technical about it...much more than I can ever recite for you.
I don't just talk about it here. I've discussed it with co workers and friends and let them borrow documentaries about it. Any sharing of knowledge is good to me. I like discussing it except when people get rude and all that. Just like any other thing we discuss here...the debate is fun and it's good to get your views out there to share with others. The more the message gets out the bigger chance for change or at the very least more awareness.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i don't find the firefighter accounts to be credible relating to basement explosions...explosions in the basement would have caused the building to come down differently. there are things like this that you have to consider and analyze and then toss them aside because they do not mesh with the physical reality of what happened.
The official one just isn't working for me. There are, of course, plenty of possibilities. But when the official theory just isn't adding up it begs for questioning which I am doing and learning along the way. I learn more everytime we have these discussions.
Let me ask you, why did building 7 fall? Why did some firemen report hearing explosions coming from the basement of buildings 1 and 2? I had made a thread with a great documentary about the collapes during the summer but when I tried to pull the thread up again I found the link no longer works. They got really technical about it...much more than I can ever recite for you.
I don't just talk about it here. I've discussed it with co workers and friends and let them borrow documentaries about it. Any sharing of knowledge is good to me. I like discussing it except when people get rude and all that. Just like any other thing we discuss here...the debate is fun and it's good to get your views out there to share with others. The more the message gets out the bigger chance for change or at the very least more awareness.
Me: "X" proves that "Y" couldn't have happened
You: Oh yeah? Well what about "C"
You just move from topic to topic. You get called out on one thing and quickly introduce some other facet of your conspiracy without ever acknowleding what was presented to you.
come on, prove to us all how quick and easy it is to find these millions of posts of yours answering this. if you can't answer the question just say so
I'm not going to do your work for you. Do it yourself.
Me: "X" proves that "Y" couldn't have happened
You: Oh yeah? Well what about "C"
You just move from topic to topic. You get called out on one thing and quickly introduce some other facet of your conspiracy without ever acknowleding what was presented to you.
I'm not going to do your work for you. Do it yourself.
Search function: Use it.
wow, i didn't think it was so hard to say "I think building 7 fell b/c....." but i gues for some it is....don't worry, pal, i'm sure nist will eventually come up w/ some theory and finish their report
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
wow, i didn't think it was so hard to say "I think building 7 fell b/c....." but i gues for some it is....don't worry, pal, i'm sure nist will eventually come up w/ some theory and finish their report
ok, i did a search and found....a whole lotta nothing...i found one reply that said it was ;inertia' ineratia from what? i found another that said falling debris damaged 1/3 of teh building causing fires which lead to the collapes, to which i posted this site: http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html
and asked you how the building could fall like this from damage to 1/3 of the building and fire? <again being only the 3rd steel framed building to fall from fire> to which you didn't reply :(
so you say debris damaged 1/3 of the building and fire made it fall? that's not what the video looks like, there's 3 of em, you should really try watching them
usually you'd duck out of the thread when building 7 came up or you would start making personal attacks...the one rely of 'WHY THE FUCK WAS MY REPLY DELETED? not cool Kat!' was pretty funny...maybe if you could address the topic instead of attacking posters you wouldn't have your replies deleted? or did kat just not want the turth of building 7 out there? hahahahaha
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
ok, i did a search and found....a whole lotta nothing...i found one reply that said it was ;inertia' ineratia from what? i found another that said falling debris damaged 1/3 of teh building causing fires which lead to the collapes, to which i posted this site: http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html
and asked you how the building could fall like this from damage to 1/3 of the building and fire? <again being only the 3rd steel framed building to fall from fire> to which you didn't reply :(
so you say debris damaged 1/3 of the building and fire made it fall? that's not what the video looks like, there's 3 of em, you should really try watching them
usually you'd duck out of the thread when building 7 came up or you would start making personal attacks...the one rely of 'WHY THE FUCK WAS MY REPLY DELETED? not cool Kat!' was pretty funny...maybe if you could address the topic instead of attacking posters you wouldn't have your replies deleted? or did kat just not want the turth of building 7 out there? hahahahaha
i don't find the firefighter accounts to be credible relating to basement explosions...explosions in the basement would have caused the building to come down differently. there are things like this that you have to consider and analyze and then toss them aside because they do not mesh with the physical reality of what happened.
Explosions in the basement wouldn't work. They tried that in the 90s (underground parking garage).
That concrete "tub" foundation was super thick...thick enough that it survived the tower collapse. No basement explosions would matter much IMO.
Explosions in the basement wouldn't work. They tried that in the 90s (underground parking garage).
That concrete "tub" foundation was super thick...thick enough that it survived the tower collapse. No basement explosions would matter much IMO.
i know this...you know this...i was addressing the issue of concentrated explosives placed by professionals beforehand as a means of controlled demolition.
Explosions in the basement wouldn't work. They tried that in the 90s (underground parking garage).
That concrete "tub" foundation was super thick...thick enough that it survived the tower collapse. No basement explosions would matter much IMO.
I'm not saying I think explosions from the basement alone or even at all brought down the towers by themselves. I'm just wondering what the sounds were and if there were anymore like them throughout the building.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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careful, he might threaten to get some of his guy friends and beat you up again! :eek:
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm sorry but it's seriously hilarious. Like, this is like watching the South Park episode where they make fun of 911truth.org. You can't make this shit up! I'm sorry that you take it so seriously, but I don't.
Take a chill pill...
-Enoch Powell
Haha, huh?
Hey it's cool: you keep believing that there was a massive conspiracy that killed 3,000 Americans (even though peanuts kill more Americans than that!) just so Bush could go to war with little chance of success and a brown spot on his presidential legacy the size of an elephant skid mark. Seriously, that's fine. Even though reason flies in the face of every single one of the arguments you're making, don't mind me. I'll sit here and watch the posts come, because they are getting damn good. DAMN good. This is better than South Park, in fact.
-Enoch Powell
Kabong already posted an article about this.....
"As well as fully autonomous flight capability, the 767 and 757 are the ONLY COMMUTER PLANES MADE BY BOEING THAT CAN BE FLOWN VIA REMOTE CONTROL. It is a feature that is standard to all of them, all 757's and 767's can do it. The purpose for this is if there is a problem with the pilots, Norad can fly the planes to safe destinations via remote. Only in this flight mode can those craft exceed their software limits and perform to their actual physical limits because a pre existing emergency situation is assumed if this mode of flight is used."
Norad no longer had the authority to control the planes via remote control to prevent the planes from hitting their targets. Two months before 9/11, Cheney had the authority switched from them to the Sec of Def.
Are we just supposed to ignore any questions we have and read Chicken Soup For the Soul, instead? It's interesting and I think it's worth sharing and discussing...if you don't then that's your own decision. Maybe if enough people start questioning it and demanding anwsers it would put a end to this kind of shit.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Again nothing to add.
The reason wasn't just about going to Iraq. It's about instilling fear into the populace in order to gain much more power. Over simplifying the points to make it seem like you have one isn't going to work for ya.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i've seen it stated here that you cannot make those types of maneuvers with those planes...or that software doesn't allow you to do it...or...whatever...
the inconsistency of the conspiracy theorists is what makes me think they are full of shit.
anyway, as before, you people bore me...same shit...different day...
who's afraid here? i'm not afraid of anything...least of all, my government...don't forget, as long as you live here, it's YOUR government too.
from my window to yours
Ok, so how did he gain more power? The Patriot Act??? Are you seriously going to tell me that the Patriot Act is "much more power?" Wire tapping? Is that powerful? You have NO IDEA how much power the president can have during times of war.
You want to talk about "much more power?" FDR locked up 110,000 Japanese during WWII. Truman ended WWII by dropping a nuke on 214,000 civilians! Abe Lincoln took the habeus corpus rights of journalists who "spoke against him!"
And Bush is going to kill a measeley 3,000 people so he can spy on my phone sex chats and look at my porn? Is that right?
Hahahaha
-Enoch Powell
Are you kidding me? You guys are fine with giving up more and more of your liberty in order to 'keep us safe'. Where does it end and you finally say 'no more'?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What did I assume? I asked you a question then I said 'if' in another sentence.
So the official theory has been consistant? Far from it. We've been pointing those inconsistancies out but I guess it's ok to excuse them since they are the official ones. And it's not so much inconsistancy as it is discussion of possibilities because NONE of us have any way of knowing for sure what happened. If it's so boring then by all means, don't let me hold you up.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You are failing to see my point:
Bush did not "blow up the twin towers" to gain more power. If he had done it for that reason, then he failed. In comparison to prior presidents, he has gained NO power.
Bush did not blow up the twin towers. Both of your motives make no sense: Iraq is a failure and blot on his presidency. And, he has gained no power and he leaves the office in disgrace. Did he just fail? Was he expecting more power than he got? Nah. He didn't blow up the twin towers. It's completely unreasonable.
-Enoch Powell
I don't think Bush blew up anything. They have gained plenty of power and authority. There was no case for war before the attacks that the public would have bought into....the costs alone would make public object. The war may be a failure but that just looks bad on Bush. What about the defense contractors, private interests etc that have made billions???
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't want to answer it for the millionth time only to have you ignore it. Use the search function.
all of them are inconsistent...you have just decided to rail against one in particular...you've championed the internal explosives planted by agents of the u.s. government for the reason buildings 1 and 2 fell...that one just doesn't work for me...if you're postulating what could have happened then you, at least, have to say that the official commision report could be what happened. what do you feel you are accomplishing by being here talking about this? how do you feel it is affecting change?
from my window to yours
yeah, bush isn't going to be the president forever...he knew that...but, his interests will be his interests as long as he wants them to be...these things are why i believe that this was a convenient occurence for the administration and their interests...but, i don't think they orchestrated it. but, i do think they watched the symphony perform...
from my window to yours
So I can infer from your statement that you against undue restrictions on our rights just so we can 'feel safe'?
Hah, nah. Bush didn't make any money from it. Why would he allow it? Nice try, though.
-Enoch Powell
you know even back in 2001 i was calling bush 'the puppet of pnac', no one thinks bush had anything to do w/ it other than being a bafoon...
i don't think it was the american 'government', you know that and so do all the others who throw that misconception around. i think it was groups like the neo-con group pnac <cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, perle, jeb bush...> as well as parts of foreign governments and ppl in the private sector.
i have also said several times that it wasn't 'just to go to iraq'. iraq was a part of their agenda, sure, but not all of it, it was easy to accomplish that quicker than several of their goals...it's about getting the power and authority to get away w/ doing whatever they want...'free-speech' zones, extraordinary rendition, wiretapping our phones, reading our mail, justifying torture, getting rid of any due process...
they already accomplished other goals, they broke the nuclear non-proliferation treaty....
and you can't say these ppl haven't profited! daddy bush's company <that also has several other former cabinet members> is the leading arms supplier for the war in iraq! halliburton's stock went from under $10 to over $80! around $9 billion missing in iraq, $2.9TRILLION missing from the pentagon.....
tell me,mr capitalism, if something shows to be profitable, what does the manufacturer usually do? push more.
and that is why it is about bin laden and not saddam. first, it's a lot easier to pin it on bin laden and a concept rather than a person and a country. it is painfully obvious. is saddam hung? did iraq have elections? then why would the ppl keep letting so much of our money be spent on wars and bombs instead of here? and they even said it themselves, they don't care about bin laden b/c capturing him won't really accomplish much, he will be replaced and that this could last decades....they need that constant fear and terror to whip out and whip the populace into a panic to gain support. come on, look at how they milk 9/11 for political gains and emotion.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
ignore it??? i always answered you.
come on, prove to us all how quick and easy it is to find these millions of posts of yours answering this. if you can't answer the question just say so
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
see, we're on the same page here...
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The official one just isn't working for me. There are, of course, plenty of possibilities. But when the official theory just isn't adding up it begs for questioning which I am doing and learning along the way. I learn more everytime we have these discussions.
Let me ask you, why did building 7 fall? Why did some firemen report hearing explosions coming from the basement of buildings 1 and 2? I had made a thread with a great documentary about the collapes during the summer but when I tried to pull the thread up again I found the link no longer works. They got really technical about it...much more than I can ever recite for you.
I don't just talk about it here. I've discussed it with co workers and friends and let them borrow documentaries about it. Any sharing of knowledge is good to me. I like discussing it except when people get rude and all that. Just like any other thing we discuss here...the debate is fun and it's good to get your views out there to share with others. The more the message gets out the bigger chance for change or at the very least more awareness.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No one thinks Bush masterminded anything.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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Yeah it went something like this:
Me: "X" proves that "Y" couldn't have happened
You: Oh yeah? Well what about "C"
You just move from topic to topic. You get called out on one thing and quickly introduce some other facet of your conspiracy without ever acknowleding what was presented to you.
I'm not going to do your work for you. Do it yourself.
Search function: Use it.
wow, i didn't think it was so hard to say "I think building 7 fell b/c....." but i gues for some it is....don't worry, pal, i'm sure nist will eventually come up w/ some theory and finish their report
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
ok, i did a search and found....a whole lotta nothing...i found one reply that said it was ;inertia' ineratia from what? i found another that said falling debris damaged 1/3 of teh building causing fires which lead to the collapes, to which i posted this site:
http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html
and asked you how the building could fall like this from damage to 1/3 of the building and fire? <again being only the 3rd steel framed building to fall from fire> to which you didn't reply :(
so you say debris damaged 1/3 of the building and fire made it fall? that's not what the video looks like, there's 3 of em, you should really try watching them
usually you'd duck out of the thread when building 7 came up or you would start making personal attacks...the one rely of 'WHY THE FUCK WAS MY REPLY DELETED? not cool Kat!' was pretty funny...maybe if you could address the topic instead of attacking posters you wouldn't have your replies deleted? or did kat just not want the turth of building 7 out there? hahahahaha
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
from my window to yours
Explosions in the basement wouldn't work. They tried that in the 90s (underground parking garage).
That concrete "tub" foundation was super thick...thick enough that it survived the tower collapse. No basement explosions would matter much IMO.
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i know this...you know this...i was addressing the issue of concentrated explosives placed by professionals beforehand as a means of controlled demolition.
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I'm not saying I think explosions from the basement alone or even at all brought down the towers by themselves. I'm just wondering what the sounds were and if there were anymore like them throughout the building.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde