i love when people try to defend this by saying, "oh, he just misspoke" or whatever. please.
i think its pretty clear that 93 was indeed shot down. its too bad so many people drank the "todd beamer-lets roll" kool-aid.. but i guess thats an easier story to stomach..
its not clear at all. what is clear is the testimony of the verizon rep who was on the phone with todd. as well as the black box recording which was clear evidence that people were trying to storm the cockpit.
I'm glad relatives of people who died on that flight do not post on this board. its sickening
its not clear at all. what is clear is the testimony of the verizon rep who was on the phone with todd. as well as the black box recording which was clear evidence that people were trying to storm the cockpit.
I'm glad relatives of people who died on that flight do not post on this board. its sickening
what about the widows that think there's a coverup? are they sickening, too?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Yes that is sickening just like your whacko theories.
care to explain why or just voice your fear and anger at hearing something that contradicts the benevolent, knight in white armor government?
'Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you! '
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
its not clear at all. what is clear is the testimony of the verizon rep who was on the phone with todd. as well as the black box recording which was clear evidence that people were trying to storm the cockpit.
I'm glad relatives of people who died on that flight do not post on this board. its sickening
explain to me how a plane that is allegedly crashed straight into the ground leaves debris scattered up to 8 miles away from the crash site.
the official story of flight 93 is phony, feel-good propaganda just like the jessica lynch and pat tillman fairytales. maybe people tried to storm the cockpit, but that plane was not crashed into the ground by anyone.
i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
Why do you think the site is the site bullshit? If you care to actually trying to discuss this topic than we can talk but I'd prefer if you dropped the tactic of discussing each other. It's weak. Why do you people get so hostile about people who may see things differently than you?
hehehehehe..............
you crack me up.....
remember this statement????
there is no hell, morons..........
hostile???
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I'll admit it. I was intoxicated that night and to see people cheering for someone's death with such anticipation really got to me. I shouldn't have added 'morons' to my post. If anything it only took away from the point I was making.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
care to explain why or just voice your fear and anger at hearing something that contradicts the benevolent, knight in white armor government?
'Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you! '
Fear and anger? No. Its more like amazement. The only point you have proven is that what some conspiracy theorists say is "the real truth" contradicts what actually happened.
Fear and anger? No. Its more like amazement. The only point you have proven is that what some conspiracy theorists say is "the real truth" contradicts what actually happened.
did you read the long list of high governmental officials, militarty, intelligence...ppl who say there is a coverup? but some report coheaded by a guy who thought nothing wrong happened in iran/contra somehow has credibility??? that's laughable
i saw fear and anger b/c you don't offer to actually debate anything, you just belittle ppl and try to intimidate them and others from wanting to discuss it. you say it's crazy, well why is it crazy? ppl like you offer up nothing solid, just attacks and that comes, at least partly, from yuor fear and anger. yes, anger, as in your hostility. there are civil ways to discuss and disagree, ya know
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yes, loose change is a shitty doc and uses shady sources like anonymous bloggers...
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
can you please get in to a little more detail about you radio-controlled planes theory??
only because i have never heard of this theory before......
those passengers were put on airplanes that didnt have pilots?
or were those planes actually hijacked and then flown by remote control??
There is a theory that the 4 planes were empty and were crashed via remote control and the passengers were taken to some island or something like that. I can't remember all the details cuz I have enough bullshit in my head as it is.:)
In 1984 NASA Dryden Flight Research Center and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) teamed-up in a unique flight experiment called the Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID), to test the impact of a Boeing 720 aircraft using standard fuel with an additive designed to suppress fire. The additive FM-9, a high molecular-weight long chain polymer, when blended with
Jet-A fuel had demonstrated the capability to inhibit ignition and flame propagation of the released fuel in simulated impact tests.
On the morning of December 1, 1984, a remotely controlled Boeing 720 transport took off from Edwards Air Force Base (Edwards, California), made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2300 feet. It then began a descent-to-landing to a specially prepared runway on the east side of Rogers Dry Lake. Final approach was along the roughly 3.8-degree glide slope. The landing gear was left retracted. Passing the decision height of 150 feet above ground level (AGL), the aircraft was slightly to the right of the desired path. Just above that decision point at which the pilot was to execute a "go-around," there appeared to be enough altitude to maneuver back to the centerline of the runway. Data acquisition systems had been activated, and the aircraft was committed to impact. It contacted the ground, left wing low. The fire and smoke took over an hour to extinguish.
This flight, called the Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID), was the culmination of more than a year of preparation in a joint research project by NASA and the FAA to test the effectiveness of anti-misting kerosene (AMK) in a so-called survivable impact. Added to typical Jet A fuel, the AMK was designed to suppress the fireball that can result from an impact in which the airstream causes spilled fuel to vaporize into a mist.
The plane was also instrumented for a variety of other impact-survivability experiments, including new seat designs, flight data recorders, galley and stowage-bin attachments, cabin fire-proof materials, and burn-resistant windows. Crash forces were measured, and a full complement of instrumented crash test dummies was carried on the flight.
The aircraft was remotely flown by NASA research pilot Fitzhugh (Fitz) Fulton from the NASA Dryden Remotely Controlled
Vehicle Facility. Previously, the Boeing 720 had been flown on 14 practice flights with safety pilots onboard. During the 14
flights, there were 16 hours and 22 minutes of remotely piloted vehicle control, including 10 remotely piloted takeoffs,
69 remotely piloted vehicle controlled approaches, and 13 remotely piloted vehicle landings on abort runway.
It was planned that the aircraft would land wings-level and exactly on the centerline during the CID, thus allowing the fuselage
to remain intact as the wings were sliced open by eight posts cemented into the runway. The Boeing 720 landed askew and
caused a cabin fire when burning fuel was able to enter the fuselage.
It was not exactly the impact that was hoped for, but research from the CID program yielded new data on impact survivability which helped establish new FAA rules regarding fire prevention and retardant materials. Although proponents argued that AMK prevented a hotter, more catastrophic fire during the CID, FAA requirements for the additive were put on the back burner.
'A fly-by-wire system literally replaces physical control of the aircraft with an electrical interface...'
'Digital
A digital fly-by-wire flight control system is similar to its analog counterpart. However, the signal processing is done by digital computers. The pilot literally can "fly-via-computer". '
As the computers continuously fly the aircraft, pilot workload is reduced. It is now possible to fly aircraft with relaxed stability. The primary benefit for military aircraft is more responsive flight performance. Digital flight control systems enabled inherently unstable aircraft such as Lockheed Martin F-117 Nighthawk to fly. A modified NASA F-8C Crusader was the first digital fly-by-wire aircraft, in 1972. The US Space Shuttle (first flown in 1982) has digital fly-by-wire controls. In 1984, the Airbus A320 was the first airliner with digital fly-by-wire controls. In 2005, the Dassault Falcon 7X was the first business jet with fly-by-wire controls.
Intelligent
A newer flight control system, called Intelligent Flight Control System, is an extension of modern digital fly-by-wire flight control systems. The aim is to intelligently compensate for aircraft damage and failure during flight, such as automatically using engine thrust and other avionics to compensate for severe failures such as loss of hydraulics, loss of rudder, loss of ailerons, loss of an engine, etc. Several demonstrations were made on a flight simulator where a Cessna-trained small-aircraft pilot successfully landed a heavily-damaged full-size concept jet, without prior experience with large-body jet aircraft. This development is being spearheaded by NASA Dryden Flight Research Center[1]. It is reported that enhancement is mostly a software upgrade to an existing fully computerized digital fly-by-wire flight control systems.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yea I heard it before, only here. El K start another thread proving this theory. I'm gonna have fun rippin you apart
ha, that would be a first!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
There is a theory that the 4 planes were empty and were crashed via remote control and the passengers were taken to some island or something like that. I can't remember all the details cuz I have enough bullshit in my head as it is.:)
i fucking cant believe i have never fucking ever heard of this before.......
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
also of note:
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot, over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Had previously flown the actual two United airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11.
Article: "'The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S.' Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have 'descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall.'
'For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible,' said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737s through 767s, it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying."
Audio Interview 9/16/04: "[Flight 77] could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous."
there's also articles about how the software on these model of boeings wouldn't allow these maneuvers b/c of how unsafe it is w/ a plane full of passengers
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Article: "'The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S.' Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have 'descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall.'
'For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible,' said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737s through 767s, it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying."
Audio Interview 9/16/04: "[Flight 77] could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous."
there's also articles about how the software on these model of boeings wouldn't allow these maneuvers b/c of how unsafe it is w/ a plane full of passengers
so a few guys say that such a maneuver is impossible by an amateur.
thats your proof? beyond a reasonable doubt your honor?
since this amatuer terrorist couldnt do such a move, it must have been remotely controlled?
probably by some CIA guys sitting in the same building?
CIA special agent Johnson --- " Hey make sure you go on the north end, we are attacking the south end end of the building today"
There is a theory that the 4 planes were empty and were crashed via remote control and the passengers were taken to some island or something like that. I can't remember all the details cuz I have enough bullshit in my head as it is.:)
I haven't even heard this one.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
so Capt Wittenberg says that these maneuvers could not have been performed......
if this is the case......
and this was 100% fact.....
wouldnt every single pilot on the planet be informing anyone who would listen that it was 100% impossible for the plane to make the maneuvers that it supposedly made???
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Comments
its not clear at all. what is clear is the testimony of the verizon rep who was on the phone with todd. as well as the black box recording which was clear evidence that people were trying to storm the cockpit.
I'm glad relatives of people who died on that flight do not post on this board. its sickening
what about the widows that think there's a coverup? are they sickening, too?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
care to explain why or just voice your fear and anger at hearing something that contradicts the benevolent, knight in white armor government?
'Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you! '
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
explain to me how a plane that is allegedly crashed straight into the ground leaves debris scattered up to 8 miles away from the crash site.
the official story of flight 93 is phony, feel-good propaganda just like the jessica lynch and pat tillman fairytales. maybe people tried to storm the cockpit, but that plane was not crashed into the ground by anyone.
you crack me up.....
remember this statement????
there is no hell, morons..........
hostile???
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I'll admit it. I was intoxicated that night and to see people cheering for someone's death with such anticipation really got to me. I shouldn't have added 'morons' to my post. If anything it only took away from the point I was making.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
did you read the long list of high governmental officials, militarty, intelligence...ppl who say there is a coverup? but some report coheaded by a guy who thought nothing wrong happened in iran/contra somehow has credibility??? that's laughable
i saw fear and anger b/c you don't offer to actually debate anything, you just belittle ppl and try to intimidate them and others from wanting to discuss it. you say it's crazy, well why is it crazy? ppl like you offer up nothing solid, just attacks and that comes, at least partly, from yuor fear and anger. yes, anger, as in your hostility. there are civil ways to discuss and disagree, ya know
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yes, loose change is a shitty doc and uses shady sources like anonymous bloggers...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
can you please get in to a little more detail about you radio-controlled planes theory??
only because i have never heard of this theory before......
those passengers were put on airplanes that didnt have pilots?
or were those planes actually hijacked and then flown by remote control??
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
laughable isnt it? this is a great place for entertainment
i have NEVER EVER heard that theory before......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
the best. never a dull moment on the train.
There is a theory that the 4 planes were empty and were crashed via remote control and the passengers were taken to some island or something like that. I can't remember all the details cuz I have enough bullshit in my head as it is.:)
yea I heard it before, only here. El K start another thread proving this theory. I'm gonna have fun rippin you apart
here's a little bit, have ot run soon
Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID) Aircraft
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/CID/index.html
In 1984 NASA Dryden Flight Research Center and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) teamed-up in a unique flight experiment called the Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID), to test the impact of a Boeing 720 aircraft using standard fuel with an additive designed to suppress fire. The additive FM-9, a high molecular-weight long chain polymer, when blended with
Jet-A fuel had demonstrated the capability to inhibit ignition and flame propagation of the released fuel in simulated impact tests.
On the morning of December 1, 1984, a remotely controlled Boeing 720 transport took off from Edwards Air Force Base (Edwards, California), made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2300 feet. It then began a descent-to-landing to a specially prepared runway on the east side of Rogers Dry Lake. Final approach was along the roughly 3.8-degree glide slope. The landing gear was left retracted. Passing the decision height of 150 feet above ground level (AGL), the aircraft was slightly to the right of the desired path. Just above that decision point at which the pilot was to execute a "go-around," there appeared to be enough altitude to maneuver back to the centerline of the runway. Data acquisition systems had been activated, and the aircraft was committed to impact. It contacted the ground, left wing low. The fire and smoke took over an hour to extinguish.
This flight, called the Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID), was the culmination of more than a year of preparation in a joint research project by NASA and the FAA to test the effectiveness of anti-misting kerosene (AMK) in a so-called survivable impact. Added to typical Jet A fuel, the AMK was designed to suppress the fireball that can result from an impact in which the airstream causes spilled fuel to vaporize into a mist.
The plane was also instrumented for a variety of other impact-survivability experiments, including new seat designs, flight data recorders, galley and stowage-bin attachments, cabin fire-proof materials, and burn-resistant windows. Crash forces were measured, and a full complement of instrumented crash test dummies was carried on the flight.
The aircraft was remotely flown by NASA research pilot Fitzhugh (Fitz) Fulton from the NASA Dryden Remotely Controlled
Vehicle Facility. Previously, the Boeing 720 had been flown on 14 practice flights with safety pilots onboard. During the 14
flights, there were 16 hours and 22 minutes of remotely piloted vehicle control, including 10 remotely piloted takeoffs,
69 remotely piloted vehicle controlled approaches, and 13 remotely piloted vehicle landings on abort runway.
It was planned that the aircraft would land wings-level and exactly on the centerline during the CID, thus allowing the fuselage
to remain intact as the wings were sliced open by eight posts cemented into the runway. The Boeing 720 landed askew and
caused a cabin fire when burning fuel was able to enter the fuselage.
It was not exactly the impact that was hoped for, but research from the CID program yielded new data on impact survivability which helped establish new FAA rules regarding fire prevention and retardant materials. Although proponents argued that AMK prevented a hotter, more catastrophic fire during the CID, FAA requirements for the additive were put on the back burner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_by_wire#Fly-by-wire
'A fly-by-wire system literally replaces physical control of the aircraft with an electrical interface...'
'Digital
A digital fly-by-wire flight control system is similar to its analog counterpart. However, the signal processing is done by digital computers. The pilot literally can "fly-via-computer". '
As the computers continuously fly the aircraft, pilot workload is reduced. It is now possible to fly aircraft with relaxed stability. The primary benefit for military aircraft is more responsive flight performance. Digital flight control systems enabled inherently unstable aircraft such as Lockheed Martin F-117 Nighthawk to fly. A modified NASA F-8C Crusader was the first digital fly-by-wire aircraft, in 1972. The US Space Shuttle (first flown in 1982) has digital fly-by-wire controls. In 1984, the Airbus A320 was the first airliner with digital fly-by-wire controls. In 2005, the Dassault Falcon 7X was the first business jet with fly-by-wire controls.
Intelligent
A newer flight control system, called Intelligent Flight Control System, is an extension of modern digital fly-by-wire flight control systems. The aim is to intelligently compensate for aircraft damage and failure during flight, such as automatically using engine thrust and other avionics to compensate for severe failures such as loss of hydraulics, loss of rudder, loss of ailerons, loss of an engine, etc. Several demonstrations were made on a flight simulator where a Cessna-trained small-aircraft pilot successfully landed a heavily-damaged full-size concept jet, without prior experience with large-body jet aircraft. This development is being spearheaded by NASA Dryden Flight Research Center[1]. It is reported that enhancement is mostly a software upgrade to an existing fully computerized digital fly-by-wire flight control systems.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
ha, that would be a first!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot, over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Had previously flown the actual two United airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11.
Article: "'The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S.' Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have 'descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall.'
'For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible,' said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737s through 767s, it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying."
Audio Interview 9/16/04: "[Flight 77] could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous."
there's also articles about how the software on these model of boeings wouldn't allow these maneuvers b/c of how unsafe it is w/ a plane full of passengers
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It proves it could be done which was the point. These are theories just the same as the official one. Neither can be proven.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
so a few guys say that such a maneuver is impossible by an amateur.
thats your proof? beyond a reasonable doubt your honor?
since this amatuer terrorist couldnt do such a move, it must have been remotely controlled?
probably by some CIA guys sitting in the same building?
CIA special agent Johnson --- " Hey make sure you go on the north end, we are attacking the south end end of the building today"
CIA special agent Jones --- " OK "
I haven't even heard this one.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
thats because it hasnt yet shown up on 911research.net
I'm sure its "possible" though right? :rolleyes:
Anything is possible.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
so Capt Wittenberg says that these maneuvers could not have been performed......
if this is the case......
and this was 100% fact.....
wouldnt every single pilot on the planet be informing anyone who would listen that it was 100% impossible for the plane to make the maneuvers that it supposedly made???
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Damn book, you made me look this nonsense up.:D
http://prisonplanet.com/flight_of_the_bumble_planes.html
I didn't read it all so I'm not sure if the passengers thing is in there.