9/11 Truth: Bush Admin. sets the towers to fall, raises military budget, Iraq for OIL

El_Kabong

jeffbr wrote:

Oh, I totally think that there are special interest groups that own politicians in our government. Those groups buy favors, legislation, contracts, etc... But I don't think that they have formed some sort of shadow government that would have the control and coordination necessary to have pulled this off.

so it was all just a mere coincidence that the bush gave a contract to the carlyle group <which is ran by daddy bush and other former cabinet officials> for a weapons system that the pentagon repeatedly voted against...it's all just happenstance that the carlyle got paid for this then the project was scrapped later on, by the pentagon, but not until after they got paid?

come on, i thought you were smarter then that

how about that contract rummy's company got for that bird flu vaccine? how much did they get for that?

sorry, policy is set around making these ppl $. they help destabilize regions and step back into the public sector and make $ from it.

also you have to think others were involved...the wall street journal reported the head of the isi wired mohammed atta a lot of money a little before the attacks. the isi have lots of ties to terrorists

El_Kabong

gue_barium wrote:

Are you sure about this?

yes, i started a thread about this back in september

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=215501


More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.

"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.m.com/showthread.php?t=215501

jlew24asu

Specifics wrote:

I was merely, and still am (well even more now), laughing at how someone so "sophisticated and intelligent" cannot believe there are "unheard of" (secret) levels of "secrecy" (secret).

You had no chance of understanding it first time, you probably still dont.

Dont worry though, Jlew is still the biggest idiot here.

You are second though.

I liked it so much here it is again:

Oh to be a politician in America.....what a dream that must be

Im having a great day thank you -)

(im still laughing please say something to stop me or im not gonna do anything else, but please no more long words they dont help at all hahahahahaha)

you have yet to say something intelligent. i'm taking bets you are 17. a shut in with no friends. pciked on all the time but much cooler people in school. and you work at a gas station.

please I'm begging you, add something to this or ANY conversation. I wont be holding my breath.

El_Kabong

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=215180

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Why do you think the site is the site bullshit? If you care to actually trying to discuss this topic than we can talk but I'd prefer if you dropped the tactic of discussing each other. It's weak. Why do you people get so hostile about people who may see things differently than you?

that site was created by one person with an opinion, and people like you refer to it as the 9/11 bible. it has zero creditbility. I apologize for coming across as hostile. 9/11 is a very sensitive subject for me.

El_Kabong

PaperPlates wrote:

and you never seem to go away. Funny, idnt it?

not really...i'm not the one whining about how stupid and boring everything is...if i don't like a movie i don't watch it...if i don't like a song on the radio i turn the channel...

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

why do you keep saying "melted" steel. steel doesnt have to melt. just weaken. and since certain support structures were taking on hundreds on tons of added pressure, those support columns didnt need much more weakness to give.

yes, melted steel, i'm talking about the pics and video of beams that looked like parts were melted, you do realize when things snap and break from pressure they usualy break, not have the ends melt

jlew24asu wrote:

and can you imagine, I'm came up with all this on my own.

yeah, it shows

jlew24asu wrote:

no body died or was even injured when 7 came down. not that concerned about this internally destroyed, wasted building, coming down and hurting no one. I'll wait for the report to come out.

that's a good boy, go back to bed

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

that site was created by one person with an opinion, and people like you refer to it as the 9/11 bible. it has zero creditbility. I apologize for coming across as hostile. 9/11 is a very sensitive subject for me.

how much credability does the 9/11 report have?? why did it take so long to even start the investigation??? and didn't the guy who was cochair of it also on the iran/contra panel and said the government didn't do anything wrong?

and how is it the opinion of 1 person when he used research by a lot of ppl?

El_Kabong

"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them." - Donald Rumsfeld

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html



"I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be." - Donald Rumsfeld

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20041223-secdef1921.html

DPrival78

El_Kabong wrote:

"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them." - Donald Rumsfeld

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html



"I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be." - Donald Rumsfeld

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20041223-secdef1921.html

i love when people try to defend this by saying, "oh, he just misspoke" or whatever. please.

i think its pretty clear that 93 was indeed shot down. its too bad so many people drank the "todd beamer-lets roll" kool-aid.. but i guess thats an easier story to stomach..

jlew24asu

DPrival78 wrote:

i love when people try to defend this by saying, "oh, he just misspoke" or whatever. please.

i think its pretty clear that 93 was indeed shot down. its too bad so many people drank the "todd beamer-lets roll" kool-aid.. but i guess thats an easier story to stomach..

its not clear at all. what is clear is the testimony of the verizon rep who was on the phone with todd. as well as the black box recording which was clear evidence that people were trying to storm the cockpit.

I'm glad relatives of people who died on that flight do not post on this board. its sickening

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

its not clear at all. what is clear is the testimony of the verizon rep who was on the phone with todd. as well as the black box recording which was clear evidence that people were trying to storm the cockpit.

I'm glad relatives of people who died on that flight do not post on this board. its sickening

what about the widows that think there's a coverup? are they sickening, too?

american

Yes that is sickening just like your whacko theories.

El_Kabong

american wrote:

Yes that is sickening just like your whacko theories.

care to explain why or just voice your fear and anger at hearing something that contradicts the benevolent, knight in white armor government?

'Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you! '

DPrival78

jlew24asu wrote:

its not clear at all. what is clear is the testimony of the verizon rep who was on the phone with todd. as well as the black box recording which was clear evidence that people were trying to storm the cockpit.

I'm glad relatives of people who died on that flight do not post on this board. its sickening

explain to me how a plane that is allegedly crashed straight into the ground leaves debris scattered up to 8 miles away from the crash site.

the official story of flight 93 is phony, feel-good propaganda just like the jessica lynch and pat tillman fairytales. maybe people tried to storm the cockpit, but that plane was not crashed into the ground by anyone.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Why do you think the site is the site bullshit? If you care to actually trying to discuss this topic than we can talk but I'd prefer if you dropped the tactic of discussing each other. It's weak. Why do you people get so hostile about people who may see things differently than you?

hehehehehe..............

you crack me up.....

remember this statement????

there is no hell, morons..........

hostile???

lalalalaaaaaaaa

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Abookamongstthemany

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

hehehehehe..............

you crack me up.....

remember this statement????

there is no hell, morons..........

hostile???

I'll admit it. I was intoxicated that night and to see people cheering for someone's death with such anticipation really got to me. I shouldn't have added 'morons' to my post. If anything it only took away from the point I was making.

american

El_Kabong wrote:

care to explain why or just voice your fear and anger at hearing something that contradicts the benevolent, knight in white armor government?

'Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you! '

Fear and anger? No. Its more like amazement. The only point you have proven is that what some conspiracy theorists say is "the real truth" contradicts what actually happened.

El_Kabong

american wrote:

Fear and anger? No. Its more like amazement. The only point you have proven is that what some conspiracy theorists say is "the real truth" contradicts what actually happened.

did you read the long list of high governmental officials, militarty, intelligence...ppl who say there is a coverup? but some report coheaded by a guy who thought nothing wrong happened in iran/contra somehow has credibility??? that's laughable

i saw fear and anger b/c you don't offer to actually debate anything, you just belittle ppl and try to intimidate them and others from wanting to discuss it. you say it's crazy, well why is it crazy? ppl like you offer up nothing solid, just attacks and that comes, at least partly, from yuor fear and anger. yes, anger, as in your hostility. there are civil ways to discuss and disagree, ya know