9/11 Truth: Bush Admin. sets the towers to fall, raises military budget, Iraq for OIL

Will1659

my2hands wrote:

how do you fly a 747 at 500 mph 20 feet off the ground and hit the pentagon with limited training at a flight school that uses single wing planes?

Well for one thing there were no 747's involved in the events of that day. Different kinds of planes. Small and petty point? Maybe. But it just demonstrates the way you people have no regard for the details in a debate that rather depends on them.

El_Kabong

my2hands wrote:

nice try, but i will steal abooks response to this one... What about the last plane that hit the pentagon? It hit an hour and half after the ones that hit the towers... you really think the military and US government would let a hijacked plane fly into DC airspace 90 minutes after 2 planes hit the towers? i do not think they are this incompetant (this is a major sticking point for me and the "official story")

not only that, here's what a pilot and former Air Force Pilot said:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot, over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Had previously flown the actual two United airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11.

"'The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S.' Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have 'descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall.'

'For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible,' said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737s through 767s, it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying."

"[Flight 77] could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous."

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and check this out, from link above:
Barbara Honegger – Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School (1995 - present). White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981-83).


"The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC1 and WTC2, and in WTC7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11. A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon. Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure [it] was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the 'friendly' signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building. Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system."

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here's what this guy also had to say from the link above:

William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

"David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too. I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen… The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions."

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General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Commanding General of Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), 1981 - 1984. Also commanded U.S. Army’s Intelligence Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

"One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?"

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Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. 34-year Air Force career.

"The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden.

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged."

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basically, what they want us to believe is some ppl got together in a cave and were able to penetrate our trillion dollar defense network...not only that, but over 90 min after the first plane HIT THE TOWERS a known hijacked plane was able to fly thru DC's no fly zone <Andrew's Air Force Base is only 10 min away from DC>, made a U turn, flew back thru DC's no fly zone and was able to hit the pentagon....over a trillion dollars spent on defense and missile shields and a known hijacked plane was able to penetrate our nation's capital's no fly zone not once, but twice and hit the pentagon????

I guess it's shitty realigning on the bush administration...it used to be NORAD and the military were able to make the call to scramble fighters to check out hijacked planes or even planes that deviated from their flight route or would not respond to radio calls <which this plane that hit the pentagon did>...but July of 2001 the bush administration took this authority away from NORAD and the military and gave it to themselves....Cheney waited until right before the pentagon was hit to scramble fighters after the hijacked planes...what's more he made this decision w/o ever discussing it w/ bush.

so, either this administration is totally incompitent and our trillion dollar defense network is useless or.....

El_Kabong

OceansJenny wrote:

Instead of me blabbing for an entire page, how about you all just watch the videos I've just spent a good amount of time watching.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Halifaxion

Theres pages among pages about everything you need to know about the TRUTH about the Bush administration. Heres some main points you all need to know (and are in this guys massive video files):
*Bush fraudulently won the 2000 and 2004 elections by linking innocent people's names (mostly african americans, who mostly vote democratic) with people who had commited crimes, thus putting up a "block" on their ability to vote (at least in Florida). Who to thank? Jeb Bush and others.
*Three drills, 2 performed and 1 "canceled", were performed in the pentagon months and years before 9/11 that outlined what to do if someone hijacked a plane and flew it into the Pentagon. Yet Bush and others claim planes crashing into buildings is something they never thought could happen.
*Planes crashing into buildings do not cause buildings (even skyscrapers) to collapse (example: Milan [?] fire). The collapse of the twin towers (and the less talked about but more important world trade center building 7) was caused by controlled demolitions.
*The owner of all of the World Trade center buildings acquired the buildings months before the attacks and put a hefty insurance policy on them. He turned an initial investment of millions of dollars into a 7 billion dollar profit.
*Bush used the 9/11 attacks to raise the military budget and to begin the war on Iraq
*The US air defense did nothing to offset the plane flying for the Pentagon (although a large base is 20 MILES from the Pentagon) and other military planes were either not scrambled or had delayed scrambling to go and stop the hijacked planes
*The NY fire department was close to putting out the flames in both towers when they suddenly heard "popping" sounds (aka detonators like for controlled demolitions) and the buildings started to collapse.
*Bin Laden's family was allowed to be flown out of the United States while the rest of the nation was grounded

Ok, I'm sick of typing, theres SO MUCH MORE, just watch the videos; if you don't already know this stuff, its astounding. And the "best" part is is that it's not just Bush; Johnson/Nixon did the same thing for Vietnam, and Roosevelt/Eisenhower (?) did the same thing for WWII.

don't forget one of the bush brothers ran the security company that handled security for:

-the wtc towers <i believe the last day of this contract was 9/11 or 9/12>
-both airports the hijacked planes orignated from

and the weekend before 9/11 power was cut from floors 40 or 50 and up on one of the wtc towers while they performed 'upgrades'

thanks for posting the videos

gue_barium

El_Kabong wrote:

...so, either this administration is totally incompitent and our trillion dollar defense network is useless or.....

or, it was saddam hussein.

DPrival78

Here's an interesting site, dealing with the simulations and drills that were being run on 9/11 - which dealt with things like hijacked planes and bioterror attacks..

funny how the terrorists picked that particular day to attack us, with all of this going on

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_exercises.html

9/11: Real World or Exercise?
At least five exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on 9/11.

1) Operation Northern Vigilance.
2) Biowarfare Exercise Tripod II.
3) Operation Vigilant Guardian.
4) Operation Northern Guardian.
5) Operation Vigilant Warrior.**

The exercises caused great confusion during the 9/11 attacks.

click the link above to read/see/hear more

**there is some question about the name of this particular exercise. for more on that specifically, go here: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-1843

boxwine_in_hell

OceansJenny wrote:

Instead of me blabbing for an entire page, how about you all just watch the videos I've just spent a good amount of time watching.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Halifaxion

Theres pages among pages about everything you need to know about the TRUTH about the Bush administration. Heres some main points you all need to know (and are in this guys massive video files):
*Bush fraudulently won the 2000 and 2004 elections by linking innocent people's names (mostly african americans, who mostly vote democratic) with people who had commited crimes, thus putting up a "block" on their ability to vote (at least in Florida). Who to thank? Jeb Bush and others.
*Three drills, 2 performed and 1 "canceled", were performed in the pentagon months and years before 9/11 that outlined what to do if someone hijacked a plane and flew it into the Pentagon. Yet Bush and others claim planes crashing into buildings is something they never thought could happen.
*Planes crashing into buildings do not cause buildings (even skyscrapers) to collapse (example: Milan [?] fire). The collapse of the twin towers (and the less talked about but more important world trade center building 7) was caused by controlled demolitions.
*The owner of all of the World Trade center buildings acquired the buildings months before the attacks and put a hefty insurance policy on them. He turned an initial investment of millions of dollars into a 7 billion dollar profit.
*Bush used the 9/11 attacks to raise the military budget and to begin the war on Iraq
*The US air defense did nothing to offset the plane flying for the Pentagon (although a large base is 20 MILES from the Pentagon) and other military planes were either not scrambled or had delayed scrambling to go and stop the hijacked planes
*The NY fire department was close to putting out the flames in both towers when they suddenly heard "popping" sounds (aka detonators like for controlled demolitions) and the buildings started to collapse.
*Bin Laden's family was allowed to be flown out of the United States while the rest of the nation was grounded

Ok, I'm sick of typing, theres SO MUCH MORE, just watch the videos; if you don't already know this stuff, its astounding. And the "best" part is is that it's not just Bush; Johnson/Nixon did the same thing for Vietnam, and Roosevelt/Eisenhower (?) did the same thing for WWII.

You don't happen to have a shack in Montana with an underground bunker do you?

ledvedderman

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

You don't happen to have a shack in Montana with an underground bunker do you?

Exactly, all of us who question the official 9/11 story are terrorists like the unabomber.

boxwine_in_hell

onelongsong wrote:

i agree. not one demolition expert has said that they could successfully bring down the towers with controlled demolition.
why not watch the ghostbusters video. it proves ghosts exist. it's right there on video.

Good point....and very funny.

ledvedderman

icarus wrote:

i've never seen a scrap of evidence that discounts the official story of 9/11.

Theres a reason for that- It all got shipped to China before any evidence could be examined. That's un-heard of

RavennaSeattle1911

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_based_on_the_September_11%2C_2001_attacks

some of these are free on google

have you seen any?

The Illinoisemakers

ledvedderman wrote:

Theres a reason for that- It all got shipped to China before any evidence could be examined. That's un-heard of

Do you have anymore information about that? I think the 9/11 conspiracy is nonsense, but I would be curious to know why they shipped anything to China.

farfromglorified

ledvedderman wrote:

Theres a reason for that- It all got shipped to China before any evidence could be examined. That's un-heard of

It's unheard of because it's false. Lots of steel was kept for examination. Furthermore, key pieces of the steel that was sent to China was reclaimed. Do your research.

DPrival78

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_based_on_the_September_11%2C_2001_attacks

some of these are free on google

have you seen any?

i suggest "911 - press for truth".

watch the trailer here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8666444901186351024

watch the whole thing here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250

DPrival78

farfromglorified wrote:

It's unheard of because it's false. Lots of steel was kept for examination. Furthermore, key pieces of the steel that was sent to China was reclaimed. Do your research.

some of the steel was kept, but the fact that any of it was removed so quickly, and sent to china to be melted is rather suspicious.

not only was this the most horrific terror attack in this country and a crime scene, but the collapses of those buildings marked a collosal engineering failure. i would think that every speck of evidence would be preserved to be studied, in order to know - to the most minute detail - what happened to those buildings.

why the rush to not only remove, but to destroy some of this evidence?

The Illinoisemakers

DPrival78 wrote:

some of the steel was kept, but the fact that any of it was removed so quickly, and sent to china to be melted is rather suspicious.

not only was this the most horrific terror attack in this country and a crime scene, but the collapses of those buildings marked a collosal engineering failure. i would think that every speck of evidence would be preserved to be studied, in order to know - to the most minute detail - what happened to those buildings.

why the rush to not only remove, but to destroy some of this evidence?

Those were two pretty large buildings. Do you think they really needed ever piece of twisted metal for their investigation? I would be interested to know why metal was shipped to China, but the fact that some was isn't a strong indicator that 9/11 was staged by our gov't.

farfromglorified

DPrival78 wrote:

some of the steel was kept, but the fact that any of it was removed so quickly, and sent to china to be melted is rather suspicious.

Suspicious how? Do you find it suspicious that, following a murder, trash collectors still tend to pick up garbage outside of the victims home?

not only was this the most horrific terror attack in this country and a crime scene, but the collapses of those buildings marked a collosal engineering failure. i would think that every speck of evidence would be preserved to be studied, in order to know - to the most minute detail - what happened to those buildings.

I'm sure you would think that. However, the realities of the NIST investigation did not agree with that.

why the rush to not only remove, but to destroy some of this evidence?

Sigh....the "destroy some of this evidence" part is primarily your paranoid fantasy talking. You have thousands of tons of steel that is now nothing more than garbage sitting in the middle of Manhattan. The site was cleared, and the steel was sold primarily to a bidder in China. If you wanted that steel so badly, and it was such an outrage at the time, I'm pretty sure that the City of New York would have sold it to you at $121 / ton, one dollar more than the price paid by foundries throughout the world.

DPrival78

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Those were two pretty large buildings. Do you think they really needed ever piece of twisted metal for their investigation? I would be interested to know why metal was shipped to China, but the fact that some was isn't a strong indicator that 9/11 was staged by our gov't.

i'm not saying that alone proves the gov't staged 911. but it adds to the suspicion. it is not a usual thing to remove and destroy evidence from any crime scene so quickly. and because of the magnitude of this crime, i think its even more unusual.

why destroy it right away? i can understand moving out, in order to look for survivors or to recover bodies. but why was it sent half way around the world and melted before anyone could look at it? why not store it in a warehouse somewhere?

The Illinoisemakers

DPrival78 wrote:

i'm not saying that alone proves the gov't staged 911. but it adds to the suspicion. it is not a usual thing to remove and destroy evidence from any crime scene so quickly. and because of the magnitude of this crime, i think its even more unusual.

why destroy it right away? i can understand moving out, in order to look for survivors or to recover bodies. but why was it sent half way around the world and melted before anyone could look at it? why not store it in a warehouse somewhere?

When you hear the conspiracy people tell it, they would have you believe the whole structure was shipped to China, melted, and made in to Hyundais. In actuality it sounds like FFG has a much better answer. Extra metal not needed for the investigation was sold to the highest bidder, which happened to be in China. The metal was sent there, melted and used for something else.

farfromglorified

DPrival78 wrote:

i'm not saying that alone proves the gov't staged 911. but it adds to the suspicion. it is not a usual thing to remove and destroy evidence from any crime scene so quickly. and because of the magnitude of this crime, i think its even more unusual.

why destroy it right away? i can understand moving out, in order to look for survivors or to recover bodies. but why was it sent half way around the world and melted before anyone could look at it? why not store it in a warehouse somewhere?

Again, you're just inventing events here to fit your view. The debris was not destroyed "right away". Much of it sat on the very same spot for months. Eventually, all the WTC steel was sent to a landfill on Staten Island for examination, primarily to find human remains. NIST kept the steel it felt was needed for the investigation. Furthermore, NIST reclaimed some that had been sold when it felt it was necessary.

Did you expect that the investigation was going to inspect all 200,000 tons of steel????

DPrival78

farfromglorified wrote:

Suspicious how? Do you find it suspicious that, following a murder, trash collectors still tend to pick up garbage outside of the victims home?

i think that metaphor is a bit of a stretch. the steel columns are right at the core of the collapses, not on the periphery. the buildings were designed to withstand multiple jetliner impacts. they failed to do that, so i would think that studying the steel beams would show exactly why and how they failed.

farfromglorified wrote:

I'm sure you would think that. However, the realities of the NIST investigation did not agree with that.

i trust nist as much as i trust the warren commission. how bout a truly independent investigation? should we have murder suspects preside over their own trials, or replace all of our judges with convicted criminals?

farfromglorified wrote:

Sigh....the "destroy some of this evidence" part is primarily your paranoid fantasy talking. You have thousands of tons of steel that is now nothing more than garbage sitting in the middle of Manhattan. The site was cleared, and the steel was sold primarily to a bidder in China. If you wanted that steel so badly, and it was such an outrage at the time, I'm pretty sure that the City of New York would have sold it to you at $121 / ton, one dollar more than the price paid by foundries throughout the world.

i disagree that the steel was nothing more than "garbage". the behavoir of the steel is the key element in the buildings' collapses.

if they wanted to sell the steel, fine. but whats the rush? hang on to it for a month to see if it could be useful in the investigation. they were loading on barges before the smoke cleared.