It’s not the ticket prices it’s the late announcement when lots of people had already booked to see other concerts
All the noise on social media over the last few months points to it being the ticket prices
Exactly- of course it’s the price. Second they are touring a bombing album
Is it bombing? Reached #2 here with minimal promotion. Doing no different to other similar bands from the same era.
Reached number 2 briefly then tumbled. It lasted about a week on the Billboard charts- there are a multitude of 50 year old albums that are selling better than it. See article below and bear in mind that it’s a month old. It’s definitely not selling as expected.
Original post updated for charts for week ending June 15, 2024.
"Wreckage" climbs to No. 9 at alternative radio, No. 8 at mainstream rock and No. 6 at Triple-A. It also moves up from No. 36 to No. 28 on the Canada Rock chart.
Dark Matter hangs on in the top 50 of Top Current Album Sales for a seventh week, selling between 1,700 and 1,800 copies.
That ‘Wreckage’ song title speaks for itself. They have a few of those songs on every album, please- do something a little/ lot more interesting than this standard ballad fluff! Nobody wants to hear this on an album!!!!
Kind of disagree. Although ‘Wreckage’ isn’t a great song - ‘Sirens’ and ‘Just Breath’ are fantastic.
My opinion is the opposite... Sirens is painful, jb is a good ev song, wreckage fits nicely on the album
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Ticket prices are certainly the main issue but there are other issues.England playing the same night as the Manchester gig and possibly on the same night as the London show as well.Logistically the London show is far from ideal(a bit like the Milton Keynes show).Marketing hasnt been great and when they played Hyde Park BST done a really good job getting the shows out there.There is also a lot bands out there who are not selling out (at cheaper prices),bands like The Killers and Kings Of Leon who are popular in the UK are not selling out there shows either.There is also a lot of big hitters touring like AC/DC,Springsteen,Green day and Foo Fighters touring just now as well which doesnt help as there is a lot more hype when these bands tour as well.The band dont get a lot of airplay in the UK and when the new album came out i emailed Radio 2 asking why as it i thought it would fit there demographic and in fairness they emailed me back saying they would review it and now wreckage is getting some airplay so im taking some credit for that!
I think the issue is ENTIRELY about ticket prices. In 2022 they sold out two nights at BST, that's 130,000 tickets but just two years later, they are struggling to sell much more than 50-70%(?) of the tickets at Tottenham, which has a capacity of just 50,000.
The difference being, that ticket prices to watch Pearl Jam in London have DOUBLED in just two years. There's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that had ticket prices remained at roughly the same price (or slightly higher) as they were for BST, then Tottenham would have sold out quickly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the venue or it's location, Beyonce sold out 5 nights there last year.
The last time Pearl Jam played at the O2, the highest priced tickets were £85 and now they wanted people to (initially) pay £159 to sit on the back row of a football stadium! Just what on earth did anybody expect to happen? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for prices to have increased to such an extent.
The issue, is about greed, pure and simple and Live Nation, Ticketmaster and Pearl Jam are all equally complicit. If the band reject the proposed ticket prices, then the shows don't happen, period. The management represent the band and the management negotiate with the promoters (Live Nation) and the eventual ticket price is arrived at after they reach an agreement that is acceptable to both parties.
And it's back fired on everybody involved spectacularly! it's just extremely sad to find that Pearl Jam of all artists are the act at that centre of the failure.
The single price regardless of seat location is absurd, does any other artist / act do this for arenas?
My 10c # is good enough that I still expect at least lower bowl seats if I score, but if I had a chance of landing in the upper level, I probably wouldn't even bother with the lottery... it's too much $ for mediocre seats.
I think the issue is ENTIRELY about ticket prices. In 2022 they sold out two nights at BST, that's 130,000 tickets but just two years later, they are struggling to sell much more than 50-70%(?) of the tickets at Tottenham, which has a capacity of just 50,000.
The difference being, that ticket prices to watch Pearl Jam in London have DOUBLED in just two years. There's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that had ticket prices remained at roughly the same price (or slightly higher) as they were for BST, then Tottenham would have sold out quickly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the venue or it's location, Beyonce sold out 5 nights there last year.
The last time Pearl Jam played at the O2, the highest priced tickets were £85 and now they wanted people to (initially) pay £159 to sit on the back row of a football stadium! Just what on earth did anybody expect to happen? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for prices to have increased to such an extent.
The issue, is about greed, pure and simple and Live Nation, Ticketmaster and Pearl Jam are all equally complicit. If the band reject the proposed ticket prices, then the shows don't happen, period. The management represent the band and the management negotiate with the promoters (Live Nation) and the eventual ticket price is arrived at after they reach an agreement that is acceptable to both parties.
And it's back fired on everybody involved spectacularly! it's just extremely sad to find that Pearl Jam of all artists are the act at that centre of the failure.
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I think the issue is ENTIRELY about ticket prices. In 2022 they sold out two nights at BST, that's 130,000 tickets but just two years later, they are struggling to sell much more than 50-70%(?) of the tickets at Tottenham, which has a capacity of just 50,000.
The difference being, that ticket prices to watch Pearl Jam in London have DOUBLED in just two years. There's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that had ticket prices remained at roughly the same price (or slightly higher) as they were for BST, then Tottenham would have sold out quickly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the venue or it's location, Beyonce sold out 5 nights there last year.
The last time Pearl Jam played at the O2, the highest priced tickets were £85 and now they wanted people to (initially) pay £159 to sit on the back row of a football stadium! Just what on earth did anybody expect to happen? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for prices to have increased to such an extent.
The issue, is about greed, pure and simple and Live Nation, Ticketmaster and Pearl Jam are all equally complicit. If the band reject the proposed ticket prices, then the shows don't happen, period. The management represent the band and the management negotiate with the promoters (Live Nation) and the eventual ticket price is arrived at after they reach an agreement that is acceptable to both parties.
And it's back fired on everybody involved spectacularly! it's just extremely sad to find that Pearl Jam of all artists are the act at that centre of the failure.
Props to the Euro fans for not putting up with that bullshit. Doubling the price in just 2 years is insane. I wonder what they would have to charge in the US for people to stop buying tickets no matter what.
US here...Honestly I'm out. Partly prices, partly crowds, losing seniority seating plus being to a bunch of shows already. Been spoiled and will just let it go and chase a hot poster maybe. Know a couple first timers going to see them in Ireland. Never complained about prices to me. Live there and hope they love it. Not an easy habit to break. Nothing really beats a live pj show. Y'aaaaknow!!
From what I have read, large ticketing companies offer up the largest stadium they think the band could sell out and then sell them for the highest price. This gives them an idea of where "the line in the sand" is as far as how far they can push the demand and the consumer.
If it sells out, they underestimated cost and demand. If it doesn't sell out they overestimated the cost and demand and next tour it may be a bigger venue with higher prices or two nights at a big venue at higher prices.
Essentially it is economic chicken between ticketing companies and the fan. Some fans have balked at this in Europe 2024, which means the next tour will probably be in smaller venues with similar prices. This will create less seats which will drive demand which will be justification for future price hikes.
Just how I see it. Full disclosure, I am American and am only going to the two Wrigley shows. That's all I could afford.
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Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
Exactly. In the future, the band may be forced to go where their fans and their willingness to pay are located instead of on summer European vacations. This isn’t a slight on Europe, I’ve been many times and love the different people and cultures. It’s just a matter of supply and demand for an aging rock band that doesn’t tour much but wants to maximize the return on their remaining tours.
I think the issue is ENTIRELY about ticket prices. In 2022 they sold out two nights at BST, that's 130,000 tickets but just two years later, they are struggling to sell much more than 50-70%(?) of the tickets at Tottenham, which has a capacity of just 50,000.
The difference being, that ticket prices to watch Pearl Jam in London have DOUBLED in just two years. There's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that had ticket prices remained at roughly the same price (or slightly higher) as they were for BST, then Tottenham would have sold out quickly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the venue or it's location, Beyonce sold out 5 nights there last year.
The last time Pearl Jam played at the O2, the highest priced tickets were £85 and now they wanted people to (initially) pay £159 to sit on the back row of a football stadium! Just what on earth did anybody expect to happen? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for prices to have increased to such an extent.
The issue, is about greed, pure and simple and Live Nation, Ticketmaster and Pearl Jam are all equally complicit. If the band reject the proposed ticket prices, then the shows don't happen, period. The management represent the band and the management negotiate with the promoters (Live Nation) and the eventual ticket price is arrived at after they reach an agreement that is acceptable to both parties.
And it's back fired on everybody involved spectacularly! it's just extremely sad to find that Pearl Jam of all artists are the act at that centre of the failure.
Props to the Euro fans for not putting up with that bullshit. Doubling the price in just 2 years is insane. I wonder what they would have to charge in the US for people to stop buying tickets no matter what.
Or they can make smarter decisions as it's not always all about USA. Where a band comes from is not that important. If they read the room and do just a little homework. Don't be too greedy I'm sure it would work out just fine
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Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
That would surprise me if they could.
I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.
Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
That would surprise me if they could.
I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.
I think you’d be surprised. Texas and Florida major cities aren’t usually included in peoples’ list of PJ’s most popular cities but they probably should. I’m not saying they sell out multiple stadiums in these states on the same tour but adding a weekend Dallas and Miami/or Ft Lauderdale stadium show wouldn’t be out of the question.
Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
That would surprise me if they could.
I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.
I think you’d be surprised. Texas and Florida major cities aren’t usually included in peoples’ list of PJ’s most popular cities but they probably should. I’m not saying they sell out multiple stadiums in these states on the same tour but adding a weekend Dallas and Miami/or Ft Lauderdale stadium show wouldn’t be out of the question.
Ya maybe. I didn't think Fenway and Wrigley would be instant sellouts either especially after UC struggled to sell the back and top of the nosebleeds.
Tottenham stadium is just too big to sell out given the location in Outer London and late announcement. It’s got a 63,000 capacity for concerts so almost 50% bigger than places in the US like Wrigley (42,000)
Hey I’m American and was already used to the new concert prices as I’d seen them twice in St. Paul in ‘23.
What really has me sitting out this tour is the February announcement. If it would’ve been announced around when the rumors starting leaking in November, I would’ve been there.
I think there are several layers to why this fiasco is happening. Double the price of ‘22, a larger and less desired venue without the festival feel and cool opening acts, and finally the last minute announcement.
Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
Exactly. In the future, the band may be forced to go where their fans and their willingness to pay are located instead of on summer European vacations. This isn’t a slight on Europe, I’ve been many times and love the different people and cultures. It’s just a matter of supply and demand for an aging rock band that doesn’t tour much but wants to maximize the return on their remaining tours.
Don’t try charge US prices in Europe should be the one takeaway they get from this rather bad experience!
Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
That would surprise me if they could.
I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.
I think you’d be surprised. Texas and Florida major cities aren’t usually included in peoples’ list of PJ’s most popular cities but they probably should. I’m not saying they sell out multiple stadiums in these states on the same tour but adding a weekend Dallas and Miami/or Ft Lauderdale stadium show wouldn’t be out of the question.
Ya maybe. I didn't think Fenway and Wrigley would be instant sellouts either especially after UC struggled to sell the back and top of the nosebleeds.
Well, those seats are always the last to go, for any artist. It didn’t help that the seats were what, over $100 each, when everybody else charges significantly less for those seats.
This one price for the whole venue just is not sustainable when prices hit $100 plus, people won’t pay $140 bucks for behind the stage🤷♂️
Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
That would surprise me if they could.
I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.
They could play Petco, Coors, Camden Yards, Comerica and Busch possibly. Texas and Miami too, no problem. I think a lot of people would be surprised around here.
You know, look at 2018, those 7 stadium shows all sold out instantly. A friend of mine was debating about Missoula, and he said he’ll think about it, no way it’s selling out, it’s in the middle of nowhere. The day after the sale i asked how it worked it for him, lol. So think, they could have easily added more like two at Citizens Bank, two at Citi Field, BMO in LA, im sure, the list goes on.
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Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different?
They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely.
That would surprise me if they could.
I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.
They could play Petco, Coors, Camden Yards, Comerica and Busch possibly. Texas and Miami too, no problem. I think a lot of people would be surprised around here.
You know, look at 2018, those 7 stadium shows all sold out instantly. A friend of mine was debating about Missoula, and he said he’ll think about it, no way it’s selling out, it’s in the middle of nowhere. The day after the sale i asked how it worked it for him, lol. So think, they could have easily added more like two at Citizens Bank, two at Citi Field, BMO in LA, im sure, the list goes on.
Missoula is only 24k and we have yet to see what they are holding back.
I do find it disappointing that TSURT deleted the IG comments about tickets being half sold out and too expensive… Have the balls to reap what you sow. Kinda sad if PJ will criticize Butker but remove content regarding the fact that they way overshot the Europe shows….. gives really weak vibes lol
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My 10c # is good enough that I still expect at least lower bowl seats if I score, but if I had a chance of landing in the upper level, I probably wouldn't even bother with the lottery... it's too much $ for mediocre seats.
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Know a couple first timers going to see them in Ireland. Never complained about prices to me. Live there and hope they love it.
Not an easy habit to break. Nothing really beats a live pj show. Y'aaaaknow!!
If it sells out, they underestimated cost and demand. If it doesn't sell out they overestimated the cost and demand and next tour it may be a bigger venue with higher prices or two nights at a big venue at higher prices.
Essentially it is economic chicken between ticketing companies and the fan. Some fans have balked at this in Europe 2024, which means the next tour will probably be in smaller venues with similar prices. This will create less seats which will drive demand which will be justification for future price hikes.
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I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.
well thats less then 2x O2 which was the plan but of course only need to play once xD
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