IIRC the 2 year insurance thing came from a quote from a member of The Who who mentioned this as a reason that they hadn't gone back to cities they'd cancelled at that time. People then assumed this must be the case for PJ, given they didn't go back to the missed citied on this tour.
Summarized exactly right. That is our level of knowledge.
IIRC the 2 year insurance thing came from a quote from a member of The Who who mentioned this as a reason that they hadn't gone back to cities they'd cancelled at that time. People then assumed this must be the case for PJ, given they didn't go back to the missed citied on this tour.
Whilst no one can verify it as being correct, its a fairly reasonable assessment as to what is likely to be the case too given the fact the cancelled places didnt get shows this time around. Makes a lot of sense really, and would explain things quite well.
I guess we'll never know for sure but then not touring Amsterdam is a real curveball to the usual plans. Yet they also didnt tour Italy which is also a rarity. Always a chance we are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
I just hope it isnt the case and two nights next summer in the 02 arena is feasible.....LOL
@seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess.
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Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him. The board would be better if we just ignored his posts.
Why doesn't someone just reach out to the Ten Club for some clarification. I would imagine it is information they either have or could very easily obtain.
Why doesn't someone just reach out to the Ten Club for some clarification. I would imagine it is information they either have or could very easily obtain.
Its all contractual legal stuff that is never going to be shared with us, and in all farness nor should it be.
They did already play Amsterdam in 2022 though. So it might have just not have been the best route to take through Europe this time with the limited time they had (remember them saying they couldn't even reschedule this year, because of scheduling reasons. If that is true).
I don't think they have ever missed (?) Amsterdam coming here. So that leads some credence to them not being "allowed" to. But, could also be they just happened to not prioritize Amsterdam (together with other countries) this one short tour.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
@seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess.
Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a [Name calling removed by Admin]. I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of. Wind your neck in
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You are way to obsessed. Creepy stuff.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
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Why doesn't someone just reach out to the Ten Club for some clarification. I would imagine it is information they either have or could very easily obtain.
We could ask them to attach the band's health records while we're at it
If there is a 2 year agreement I imagine this is specific to the contract between the band and the insurer. Also if it does exist it has to be on a city basis and not a country basis, otherwise the band wouldn’t have returned to the US in 2023 after cancelling Sacremento and Vegas in 2022…..
It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 23.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 22.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 22.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
Maybe they just wanted to do something different
When you want different, you play to 55-60.000 in Gothenburg, Sweden. The band knows this.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 22.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
Maybe they just wanted to do something different
When you want different, you play to 55-60.000 in Gothenburg, Sweden. The band knows this.
@seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess.
Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick. I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of. Wind your neck in
I can go to to the nearest McDonalds and have a group discussion with some truckers about brain surgery and reach a consensus too. Wouldn't matter one bit in itself. As a hypothesis perhaps, in a limited fashion. But not hard facts.
If you can find where i stated anything anything as a FACT I'll concede your point
@seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess.
Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick. I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of. Wind your neck in
Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him. The board would be better if we just ignored his posts.
You are way too obsessed. Creepy stuff.
You keep proving our point. Time to log off for a bit and go outside .
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The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon. They love you guys and they know you love them. The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now. So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.
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The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon. They love you guys and they know you love them. The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now. So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.
It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 22.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
Maybe they just wanted to do something different
If you insist on bringing logic into this, I am afraid you might be asked to leave.
@seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess.
Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick. I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of. Wind your neck in
Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him. The board would be better if we just ignored his posts.
You are way too obsessed. Creepy stuff.
You keep proving our point. Time to log off for a bit and go outside .
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
If there is a 2 year agreement I imagine this is specific to the contract between the band and the insurer. Also if it does exist it has to be on a city basis and not a country basis, otherwise the band wouldn’t have returned to the US in 2023 after cancelling Sacremento and Vegas in 2022…..
Or by distance. I think that's a common clause with festival headliners not to compete with the festival's ticket sales. The band agree not to play any other shows within e.g., 150 miles of the festival location in the preceding six months.
If there is a 2 year agreement I imagine this is specific to the contract between the band and the insurer. Also if it does exist it has to be on a city basis and not a country basis, otherwise the band wouldn’t have returned to the US in 2023 after cancelling Sacremento and Vegas in 2022…..
Or by distance. I think that's a common clause with festival headliners not to compete with the festival's ticket sales. The band agree not to play any other shows within e.g., 150 miles of the festival location in the preceding six months.
I still think it's interesting with the Sacramento and Bottlerock shows. No clause for that or it was negotiable?
If there is a 2 year agreement I imagine this is specific to the contract between the band and the insurer. Also if it does exist it has to be on a city basis and not a country basis, otherwise the band wouldn’t have returned to the US in 2023 after cancelling Sacremento and Vegas in 2022…..
Or by distance. I think that's a common clause with festival headliners not to compete with the festival's ticket sales. The band agree not to play any other shows within e.g., 150 miles of the festival location in the preceding six months.
I still think it's interesting with the Sacramento and Bottlerock shows. No clause for that or it was negotiable?
Negotiable. If the band has enough leverage or the festival doesn't think the other show will hurt sales it would make sense to omit.
@seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess.
Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a [Name calling removed by Admin] I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of. Wind your neck in
@seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess.
Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick. I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of. Wind your neck in
Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him. The board would be better if we just ignored his posts.
You are way too obsessed. Creepy stuff.
You keep proving our point. Time to log off for a bit and go outside .
Regardless of who is right or wrong in your private dispute. Nobody really needs such opinionated arrogance.
The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon. They love you guys and they know you love them. The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now. So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.
But, what if, in two years, they come back with the SAME pricing? Since it will be two years later than this shitshow, but costs are NOT going to stop rising? 🤯🤯🤯 Mind Blown……..
Even if they come up with €200 for tickets in two years' time, they can save themselves the shitshow that 2024 has become here, on social media and in the press by charging more reasonable prices for the worse seats.
The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon. They love you guys and they know you love them. The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now. So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.
But, what if, in two years, they come back with the SAME pricing? Since it will be two years later than this shitshow, but costs are NOT going to stop rising? 🤯🤯🤯 Mind Blown……..
Key thing really is to announce a June/July show in mid-late Autumn the previous year
Why doesn't someone just reach out to the Ten Club for some clarification. I would imagine it is information they either have or could very easily obtain.
Its all contractual legal stuff that is never going to be shared with us, and in all farness nor should it be.
Really? I get insurance pay outs and stuff. Why wouldn't they be able to discuss a time frame in which they cant play an area.
It doesn't matter to me at all. I was trying to find a solution to all the speculations. I thought maybe someone would contact them and see if it is something they can comment on. No harm in asking.
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I guess we'll never know for sure but then not touring Amsterdam is a real curveball to the usual plans. Yet they also didnt tour Italy which is also a rarity. Always a chance we are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
I just hope it isnt the case and two nights next summer in the 02 arena is feasible.....LOL
I don't think they have ever missed (?) Amsterdam coming here. So that leads some credence to them not being "allowed" to. But, could also be they just happened to not prioritize Amsterdam (together with other countries) this one short tour.
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It doesn't matter to me at all. I was trying to find a solution to all the speculations. I thought maybe someone would contact them and see if it is something they can comment on. No harm in asking.