Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

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  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 903
    BF25394 said:
    HollisBrown said:
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2nuzPUO9zM/?igsh=MWVtcnhkdnBoYXhkMQ==
    But what does Kurt have to say about it today?
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  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,626
    ilockyer said:
    YAKIMATSU said:
    I wonder if they will ever go back to Europe.  Maybe they should wait like five years to create some scarcity.  It seems that going every two years doesn't meet the market demand.
    They have always sold out their EU tours really rapidly, most venues sold within a day, extra nights added, while visiting every 2 years. Market demand has always been here in terms of people wanting to attend the shows.
    The only thing that's changed is the significant increase in ticket pricing here this time, which has brought their prices in line with those in the USA. People are just looking at it and saying that, while they want to go, they can't justify the prices. I know of at least 10-15 friends who are 10C members who were planning 4-6 shows as normal but are now only doing 1, maybe 2, at most. Some aren't doing any because they aren't prepared to support the price rise. 
    So your friends aren’t happy unless they can see multiple shows at a price that suits them? I think we, the fan base, has been misjudged for willingness to travel perhaps and that’s how shows get filled repeatedly. 

    I think it also proves that prices were perhaps too low if the norm for a lot of people is multiple shows. 
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    ilockyer said:
    Get_Right said:
    ponner1us said:
    Get_Right said:
    It is amazing how naive and uninformed many fans are about ticket pricing and the concert industry, and how much has changed since the band took on ticketmaster 30 years ago!  The band could charge much more than $185 if they really wanted to be greedy. The non-10C high prices you see now will be adjusted to reflect true demand as the shows get closer. This is the new reality, micro management of each individual seat. Do not buy now, but there is no guarantee prices will go down for high demand shows. When I have had to bite the bullet, it was a decent seat for MSG around $500.
    Yes, most of us are bumbling idiots, thank you for the expansive education, it was very enlightening. I feel as if I now understand all of the intricacies involved in the current pricing system. I had no idea that capitalism, free market, and supply & demand were all factors to consider… Wow!!!
    Free market has nothing to do with it. And yes, many people are just bashing the band without knowing the real reason why tickets are more expensive. And they cannot cite one band other than the Cure that is not charging more for their tickets.
    People aren't talking about The Cure just because they're cheaper, it's because they proved that TM can be stood up to regarding the variable pricing. Which, accordingly to many posters here and on FB, can't be done! 
    The Cure is charging more for their tickets. I paid $100 for GA in Chicago in 2016. In 2023, I paid as much as $275 for standard price tickets (New Orleans, front row). Most of the lower level tickets were probably in the $140 range but the first few rows were over $200. They did reject platinum/variable and sensibly charged much less for upper level seats. 
  • bootleg
    bootleg Posts: 1,209
    NM70698 said:
    Using the ticket master filters, I see no difference between the “Standard” and “PJ Premium” prices.  The only difference is seat location.  Searching Sacramento and Los Angeles, the cheapest “standard” tickets were uppers for $175 plus fees.  All lowers were priced close $500 and up.  As best I can tell, the high $400 range is the starting “face value” price for any section were you would actually want to sit.  Am I wrong?  Did any person buy lower bowl seats for less than $500 per ticket with fees?
    The filters for some shows don’t quite work correctly.  They still list the option for standard but there are no actual standard tickets left.  In these cases the seats that don’t meet your filter criteria will turn light blue.  If there are still standards left after filtering they will be dark blue.
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    NM70698 said:
    Using the ticket master filters, I see no difference between the “Standard” and “PJ Premium” prices.  The only difference is seat location.  Searching Sacramento and Los Angeles, the cheapest “standard” tickets were uppers for $175 plus fees.  All lowers were priced close $500 and up.  As best I can tell, the high $400 range is the starting “face value” price for any section were you would actually want to sit.  Am I wrong?  Did any person buy lower bowl seats for less than $500 per ticket with fees?
    Everyone who won in the lottery got lower bowl seats for $185 per ticket with fees, which is the "Standard" price.

    You say you don't see a difference but then say you see "standard" for $175 and "premium" for $400+. How is that not a difference between standard and premium pricing? 
  • brobert
    brobert Posts: 74
    SHZA said:
    ilockyer said:
    Get_Right said:
    ponner1us said:
    Get_Right said:
    It is amazing how naive and uninformed many fans are about ticket pricing and the concert industry, and how much has changed since the band took on ticketmaster 30 years ago!  The band could charge much more than $185 if they really wanted to be greedy. The non-10C high prices you see now will be adjusted to reflect true demand as the shows get closer. This is the new reality, micro management of each individual seat. Do not buy now, but there is no guarantee prices will go down for high demand shows. When I have had to bite the bullet, it was a decent seat for MSG around $500.
    Yes, most of us are bumbling idiots, thank you for the expansive education, it was very enlightening. I feel as if I now understand all of the intricacies involved in the current pricing system. I had no idea that capitalism, free market, and supply & demand were all factors to consider… Wow!!!
    Free market has nothing to do with it. And yes, many people are just bashing the band without knowing the real reason why tickets are more expensive. And they cannot cite one band other than the Cure that is not charging more for their tickets.
    People aren't talking about The Cure just because they're cheaper, it's because they proved that TM can be stood up to regarding the variable pricing. Which, accordingly to many posters here and on FB, can't be done! 
    The Cure is charging more for their tickets. I paid $100 for GA in Chicago in 2016. In 2023, I paid as much as $275 for standard price tickets (New Orleans, front row). Most of the lower level tickets were probably in the $140 range but the first few rows were over $200. They did reject platinum/variable and sensibly charged much less for upper level seats. 
    I paid 160 for 7th row on the side for the Cure in 2023.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,211
    ilockyer said:
    Get_Right said:
    ponner1us said:
    Get_Right said:
    It is amazing how naive and uninformed many fans are about ticket pricing and the concert industry, and how much has changed since the band took on ticketmaster 30 years ago!  The band could charge much more than $185 if they really wanted to be greedy. The non-10C high prices you see now will be adjusted to reflect true demand as the shows get closer. This is the new reality, micro management of each individual seat. Do not buy now, but there is no guarantee prices will go down for high demand shows. When I have had to bite the bullet, it was a decent seat for MSG around $500.
    Yes, most of us are bumbling idiots, thank you for the expansive education, it was very enlightening. I feel as if I now understand all of the intricacies involved in the current pricing system. I had no idea that capitalism, free market, and supply & demand were all factors to consider… Wow!!!
    Free market has nothing to do with it. And yes, many people are just bashing the band without knowing the real reason why tickets are more expensive. And they cannot cite one band other than the Cure that is not charging more for their tickets.
    People aren't talking about The Cure just because they're cheaper, it's because they proved that TM can be stood up to regarding the variable pricing. Which, accordingly to many posters here and on FB, can't be done! 

    They did not stand up to ticketmaster. They proved the artist does have a say, and they helped scalpers make millions off their shows.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,211
    SHZA said:
    NM70698 said:
    Using the ticket master filters, I see no difference between the “Standard” and “PJ Premium” prices.  The only difference is seat location.  Searching Sacramento and Los Angeles, the cheapest “standard” tickets were uppers for $175 plus fees.  All lowers were priced close $500 and up.  As best I can tell, the high $400 range is the starting “face value” price for any section were you would actually want to sit.  Am I wrong?  Did any person buy lower bowl seats for less than $500 per ticket with fees?
    Everyone who won in the lottery got lower bowl seats for $185 per ticket with fees, which is the "Standard" price.

    You say you don't see a difference but then say you see "standard" for $175 and "premium" for $400+. How is that not a difference between standard and premium pricing? 

    Not in New York. The best lower bowl seats will be sold at higher prices.
  • ponner1us
    ponner1us Posts: 741
    Free market, i.e., supply and demand, has a lot to do with it. And from what I’ve seen, most people are complaining about dynamic or platinum pricing, not the price increase for tickets, they are not one and the same.  People are citing the Cure as an example because they were against and didn’t use dynamic or platinum pricing and it was still a very profitable tour. 

    From Consequence.net

    The Cure Left Millions of Dollars on the Table, and Still Had the Highest-Grossing Tour of Their Career

    "Shows of a Lost World" was the highest-grossing North American tour of the band's career

    Moral of the story? It’s possible to protect fans, sell affordable tickets, and still make millions.
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    Get_Right said:
    SHZA said:
    NM70698 said:
    Using the ticket master filters, I see no difference between the “Standard” and “PJ Premium” prices.  The only difference is seat location.  Searching Sacramento and Los Angeles, the cheapest “standard” tickets were uppers for $175 plus fees.  All lowers were priced close $500 and up.  As best I can tell, the high $400 range is the starting “face value” price for any section were you would actually want to sit.  Am I wrong?  Did any person buy lower bowl seats for less than $500 per ticket with fees?
    Everyone who won in the lottery got lower bowl seats for $185 per ticket with fees, which is the "Standard" price.

    You say you don't see a difference but then say you see "standard" for $175 and "premium" for $400+. How is that not a difference between standard and premium pricing? 

    Not in New York. The best lower bowl seats will be sold at higher prices.
    Premium, yes. That's true everywhere, not just N.Y. Standard pricing is $185 (plus tax). 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,211
    ponner1us said:
    Free market, i.e., supply and demand, has a lot to do with it. And from what I’ve seen, most people are complaining about dynamic or platinum pricing, not the price increase for tickets, they are not one and the same.  People are citing the Cure as an example because they were against and didn’t use dynamic or platinum pricing and it was still a very profitable tour. 

    From Consequence.net

    The Cure Left Millions of Dollars on the Table, and Still Had the Highest-Grossing Tour of Their Career

    "Shows of a Lost World" was the highest-grossing North American tour of the band's career

    Moral of the story? It’s possible to protect fans, sell affordable tickets, and still make millions.

    And let scalpers make millions off your art. I guess Robert Smith did not care about that.  Most other artists do.
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    ponner1us said:
    Free market, i.e., supply and demand, has a lot to do with it. And from what I’ve seen, most people are complaining about dynamic or platinum pricing, not the price increase for tickets, they are not one and the same.  People are citing the Cure as an example because they were against and didn’t use dynamic or platinum pricing and it was still a very profitable tour. 

    From Consequence.net

    The Cure Left Millions of Dollars on the Table, and Still Had the Highest-Grossing Tour of Their Career

    "Shows of a Lost World" was the highest-grossing North American tour of the band's career

    Moral of the story? It’s possible to protect fans, sell affordable tickets, and still make millions.
    This thread started as a complaint about the increase in standard pricing to 160 GBP. If PJ omitted platinum, maybe it would have been 200. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    These pricing debates are a lost cause! The band is not going back on anything that’s in place now how many years do you guys think they have left as a touring band maybe 10 more years 20? It is what it is. The hardest part for us fans is letting go of the need to see them perform I went through it.
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  • ponner1us
    ponner1us Posts: 741
    Get_Right said:
    ponner1us said:
    Free market, i.e., supply and demand, has a lot to do with it. And from what I’ve seen, most people are complaining about dynamic or platinum pricing, not the price increase for tickets, they are not one and the same.  People are citing the Cure as an example because they were against and didn’t use dynamic or platinum pricing and it was still a very profitable tour. 

    From Consequence.net

    The Cure Left Millions of Dollars on the Table, and Still Had the Highest-Grossing Tour of Their Career

    "Shows of a Lost World" was the highest-grossing North American tour of the band's career

    Moral of the story? It’s possible to protect fans, sell affordable tickets, and still make millions.

    And let scalpers make millions off your art. I guess Robert Smith did not care about that.  Most other artists do.
    Robert Smith kept prices low, didn’t use dynamic pricing, kept tickets non-transferable, had excessive Ticketmaster fees refunded to the consumers, etc…Defend Pearl Jam all you want, it’s incredibly complex. But your statement about the Cure and Robert Smith is completely false, other than Pearl Jam back in the 90s, he’s been the one of the few artists/musicians who has stood up and battled with Ticketmaster.  I’m beginning to think that you might be the one who doesn’t understand the ticket system. I’m not going to continue to argue with people who think PJ is completely blameless in this whole debacle. 
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    Get_Right said:
    ponner1us said:
    Free market, i.e., supply and demand, has a lot to do with it. And from what I’ve seen, most people are complaining about dynamic or platinum pricing, not the price increase for tickets, they are not one and the same.  People are citing the Cure as an example because they were against and didn’t use dynamic or platinum pricing and it was still a very profitable tour. 

    From Consequence.net

    The Cure Left Millions of Dollars on the Table, and Still Had the Highest-Grossing Tour of Their Career

    "Shows of a Lost World" was the highest-grossing North American tour of the band's career

    Moral of the story? It’s possible to protect fans, sell affordable tickets, and still make millions.

    And let scalpers make millions off your art. I guess Robert Smith did not care about that.  Most other artists do.
    It's not fair to say he didn't care. TM claimed that the tickets were supposed to be non-transferable, i.e., not scalpable. I don't think he should have foreseen that the transfer restrictions would not be effective.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,067
    I get the prices are gonna be higher and that’s fine to me. My issue is just give me the damn price ahead of time so I can decide prior to logging on if I want to pay that price.  The verified fan sale where you don’t know the price until you click on a seat sucks and leads to people being pissed off.  Just give me the price ahead of time even if it’s premium
  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    SHZA said:
    ponner1us said:

    Moral of the story? It’s possible to protect fans, sell affordable tickets, and still make millions.
    This thread started as a complaint about the increase in standard pricing to 160 GBP. If PJ omitted platinum, maybe it would have been 200. 
    Putting aside my views on the pricing, given the amount of tickets remaining as of right now, I wonder how much difference that would actually have made? They have almost certainly sold enough tickets for these shows to go ahead and not lose either band or promoter any money. Worst case scenario for the band is they'll look out and see some empty seats over here for the first time.
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  • kaw753
    kaw753 Posts: 941
    I feel like the one thing they could do to really piss the fans off would be to offer discounts on tickets that are better than the ones they gave out for 10c.
  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    kaw753 said:
    I feel like the one thing they could do to really piss the fans off would be to offer discounts on tickets that are better than the ones they gave out for 10c.
    What were the discounts? For Manchester it was £163.00 via 10C when I requessted, and via TM it was £163.00 when I put a GA in the cart and went through to the click pay screen.
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  • kaw753
    kaw753 Posts: 941
    ilockyer said:
    kaw753 said:
    I feel like the one thing they could do to really piss the fans off would be to offer discounts on tickets that are better than the ones they gave out for 10c.
    What were the discounts? For Manchester it was £163.00 via 10C when I requessted, and via TM it was £163.00 when I put a GA in the cart and went through to the click pay screen.
    I mean discount them later closer to show time when they see they are not close to sold out.

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