Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

ilockyer

kaw753 said:

ilockyer said:

kaw753 said:

I feel like the one thing they could do to really piss the fans off would be to offer discounts on tickets that are better than the ones they gave out for 10c.

What were the discounts? For Manchester it was £163.00 via 10C when I requessted, and via TM it was £163.00 when I put a GA in the cart and went through to the click pay screen.

I mean discount them later closer to show time when they see they are not close to sold out.

Got you! Thought I'd missed something in the 10C sale. 

PJ_Soul

Get_Right said:

ponner1us said:

Get_Right said:

It is amazing how naive and uninformed many fans are about ticket pricing and the concert industry, and how much has changed since the band took on ticketmaster 30 years ago!  The band could charge much more than $185 if they really wanted to be greedy. The non-10C high prices you see now will be adjusted to reflect true demand as the shows get closer. This is the new reality, micro management of each individual seat. Do not buy now, but there is no guarantee prices will go down for high demand shows. When I have had to bite the bullet, it was a decent seat for MSG around $500.

Yes, most of us are bumbling idiots, thank you for the expansive education, it was very enlightening. I feel as if I now understand all of the intricacies involved in the current pricing system. I had no idea that capitalism, free market, and supply & demand were all factors to consider… Wow!!!

Free market has nothing to do with it. And yes, many people are just bashing the band without knowing the real reason why tickets are more expensive. And they cannot cite one band other than the Cure that is not charging more for their tickets.

What? I can site every band I've ever seen at the same local venue. I have literally never been to a show there where the worst upper level tickets were set at $208 face value. It is an insane price.

Get_Right

SHZA said:

Get_Right said:

ponner1us said:

Free market, i.e., supply and demand, has a lot to do with it. And from what I’ve seen, most people are complaining about dynamic or platinum pricing, not the price increase for tickets, they are not one and the same.  People are citing the Cure as an example because they were against and didn’t use dynamic or platinum pricing and it was still a very profitable tour. 

From Consequence.net

The Cure Left Millions of Dollars on the Table, and Still Had the Highest-Grossing Tour of Their Career

"Shows of a Lost World" was the highest-grossing North American tour of the band's career

Moral of the story? It’s possible to protect fans, sell affordable tickets, and still make millions.

And let scalpers make millions off your art. I guess Robert Smith did not care about that.  Most other artists do.

It's not fair to say he didn't care. TM claimed that the tickets were supposed to be non-transferable, i.e., not scalpable. I don't think he should have foreseen that the transfer restrictions would not be effective.

That is like saying dinosaurs cannot reproduce In Jurassic Park.

Get_Right

PJ_Soul said:

Get_Right said:

ponner1us said:

Get_Right said:

It is amazing how naive and uninformed many fans are about ticket pricing and the concert industry, and how much has changed since the band took on ticketmaster 30 years ago!  The band could charge much more than $185 if they really wanted to be greedy. The non-10C high prices you see now will be adjusted to reflect true demand as the shows get closer. This is the new reality, micro management of each individual seat. Do not buy now, but there is no guarantee prices will go down for high demand shows. When I have had to bite the bullet, it was a decent seat for MSG around $500.

Yes, most of us are bumbling idiots, thank you for the expansive education, it was very enlightening. I feel as if I now understand all of the intricacies involved in the current pricing system. I had no idea that capitalism, free market, and supply & demand were all factors to consider… Wow!!!

Free market has nothing to do with it. And yes, many people are just bashing the band without knowing the real reason why tickets are more expensive. And they cannot cite one band other than the Cure that is not charging more for their tickets.

What? I can site every band I've ever seen at the same local venue. I have literally never been to a show there where the worst upper level tickets were set at $208 face value. It is an insane price.

There must be some accounting involved where it makes more financial sense for the band to offer tickets at the same price across the venue, but we will never get visibility to those numbers. 

GlowGirl

pjhawks said:

I get the prices are gonna be higher and that’s fine to me. My issue is just give me the damn price ahead of time so I can decide prior to logging on if I want to pay that price.  The verified fan sale where you don’t know the price until you click on a seat sucks and leads to people being pissed off.  Just give me the price ahead of time even if it’s premium

Back in the day when all seats were the same price we used to get the price of the ticket beforehand (minus fees). I guess they can't do that now - but they could give a range from highest to lowest.

Get_Right

GlowGirl said:

pjhawks said:

I get the prices are gonna be higher and that’s fine to me. My issue is just give me the damn price ahead of time so I can decide prior to logging on if I want to pay that price.  The verified fan sale where you don’t know the price until you click on a seat sucks and leads to people being pissed off.  Just give me the price ahead of time even if it’s premium

Back in the day when all seats were the same price we used to get the price of the ticket beforehand (minus fees). I guess they can't do that now - but they could give a range from highest to lowest.

It is not that they can't, it is that they will not because verified fan sales are just a bait and switch for premium/dynamically priced tickets.

Chrrie

It seems to me that PJ is using less desirable seats to subsidize the best seats. $180 for PJ GA is less than Blink 182 (which uses dynamic pricing for all their tickets), foo fighters and even first few rows of the cure. Whereas those artists are using the most desirable seats to subsidize the lower cost of the uppers to get people who want to pay less in the building. 

SHZA

Get_Right said:

PJ_Soul said:

Get_Right said:

ponner1us said:

Get_Right said:

It is amazing how naive and uninformed many fans are about ticket pricing and the concert industry, and how much has changed since the band took on ticketmaster 30 years ago!  The band could charge much more than $185 if they really wanted to be greedy. The non-10C high prices you see now will be adjusted to reflect true demand as the shows get closer. This is the new reality, micro management of each individual seat. Do not buy now, but there is no guarantee prices will go down for high demand shows. When I have had to bite the bullet, it was a decent seat for MSG around $500.

Yes, most of us are bumbling idiots, thank you for the expansive education, it was very enlightening. I feel as if I now understand all of the intricacies involved in the current pricing system. I had no idea that capitalism, free market, and supply & demand were all factors to consider… Wow!!!

Free market has nothing to do with it. And yes, many people are just bashing the band without knowing the real reason why tickets are more expensive. And they cannot cite one band other than the Cure that is not charging more for their tickets.

What? I can site every band I've ever seen at the same local venue. I have literally never been to a show there where the worst upper level tickets were set at $208 face value. It is an insane price.

There must be some accounting involved where it makes more financial sense for the band to offer tickets at the same price across the venue, but we will never get visibility to those numbers. 

Virtually every other arena and stadium event uses a range of prices across the venue. Extremely doubtful that PJ has an accounting method that shows a single price makes more financial sense 

mattcoz

SHZA said:

Get_Right said:

PJ_Soul said:

Get_Right said:

ponner1us said:

Get_Right said:

It is amazing how naive and uninformed many fans are about ticket pricing and the concert industry, and how much has changed since the band took on ticketmaster 30 years ago!  The band could charge much more than $185 if they really wanted to be greedy. The non-10C high prices you see now will be adjusted to reflect true demand as the shows get closer. This is the new reality, micro management of each individual seat. Do not buy now, but there is no guarantee prices will go down for high demand shows. When I have had to bite the bullet, it was a decent seat for MSG around $500.

Yes, most of us are bumbling idiots, thank you for the expansive education, it was very enlightening. I feel as if I now understand all of the intricacies involved in the current pricing system. I had no idea that capitalism, free market, and supply & demand were all factors to consider… Wow!!!

Free market has nothing to do with it. And yes, many people are just bashing the band without knowing the real reason why tickets are more expensive. And they cannot cite one band other than the Cure that is not charging more for their tickets.

What? I can site every band I've ever seen at the same local venue. I have literally never been to a show there where the worst upper level tickets were set at $208 face value. It is an insane price.

There must be some accounting involved where it makes more financial sense for the band to offer tickets at the same price across the venue, but we will never get visibility to those numbers. 

Virtually every other arena and stadium event uses a range of prices across the venue. Extremely doubtful that PJ has an accounting method that shows a single price makes more financial sense 

They chose to make it their priority to keep ticket prices as low as possible for the long time club members. This was the compromise.

NM70698

SHZA said:

NM70698 said:

Using the ticket master filters, I see no difference between the “Standard” and “PJ Premium” prices.  The only difference is seat location.  Searching Sacramento and Los Angeles, the cheapest “standard” tickets were uppers for $175 plus fees.  All lowers were priced close $500 and up.  As best I can tell, the high $400 range is the starting “face value” price for any section were you would actually want to sit.  Am I wrong?  Did any person buy lower bowl seats for less than $500 per ticket with fees?

Everyone who won in the lottery got lower bowl seats for $185 per ticket with fees, which is the "Standard" price.

You say you don't see a difference but then say you see "standard" for $175 and "premium" for $400+. How is that not a difference between standard and premium pricing? 

The “standard” price for lower bowl starts around $470 and goes to to roughly $900 or more.  But you answered my question about 10 club seats in the lower section.  I was genuinely confused because I got 10 Club waitlist and then got off the waitlist.  My 10 Club code gave me the privilege of buying a single lower bowl seat in the range of $500 to $900 with fees and tax. 

GlowGirl

NM70698 said:

SHZA said:

NM70698 said:

Using the ticket master filters, I see no difference between the “Standard” and “PJ Premium” prices.  The only difference is seat location.  Searching Sacramento and Los Angeles, the cheapest “standard” tickets were uppers for $175 plus fees.  All lowers were priced close $500 and up.  As best I can tell, the high $400 range is the starting “face value” price for any section were you would actually want to sit.  Am I wrong?  Did any person buy lower bowl seats for less than $500 per ticket with fees?

Everyone who won in the lottery got lower bowl seats for $185 per ticket with fees, which is the "Standard" price.

You say you don't see a difference but then say you see "standard" for $175 and "premium" for $400+. How is that not a difference between standard and premium pricing? 

The “standard” price for lower bowl starts around $470 and goes to to roughly $900 or more.  But you answered my question about 10 club seats in the lower section.  I was genuinely confused because I got 10 Club waitlist and then got off the waitlist.  My 10 Club code gave me the privilege of buying a single lower bowl seat in the range of $500 to $900 with fees and tax. 

The code is not from Ten Club. It is from Ticketmaster. They run the verified fan sale.

NM70698

And to be clear, I’m talking about “standard” pricing I saw today viewing public onsales.

SHZA

NM70698 said:

SHZA said:

NM70698 said:

Using the ticket master filters, I see no difference between the “Standard” and “PJ Premium” prices.  The only difference is seat location.  Searching Sacramento and Los Angeles, the cheapest “standard” tickets were uppers for $175 plus fees.  All lowers were priced close $500 and up.  As best I can tell, the high $400 range is the starting “face value” price for any section were you would actually want to sit.  Am I wrong?  Did any person buy lower bowl seats for less than $500 per ticket with fees?

Everyone who won in the lottery got lower bowl seats for $185 per ticket with fees, which is the "Standard" price.

You say you don't see a difference but then say you see "standard" for $175 and "premium" for $400+. How is that not a difference between standard and premium pricing? 

The “standard” price for lower bowl starts around $470 and goes to to roughly $900 or more.  But you answered my question about 10 club seats in the lower section.  I was genuinely confused because I got 10 Club waitlist and then got off the waitlist.  My 10 Club code gave me the privilege of buying a single lower bowl seat in the range of $500 to $900 with fees and tax. 

The $470-$900 prices aren't standard though. Anything above $185 is "PJ Premium." If you only saw high-priced tickets in the lower bowl, that just means standards are currently sold out.  

NM70698

Dude, I just went to Ticketmaster for Portland.  Section 224, a single ticket is $515+. It’s a regular ticket, Not PJ Premium.  These are the face value prices for seats.  It’s insane.

kmcmanus

NM70698 said:

SHZA said:

NM70698 said:

Using the ticket master filters, I see no difference between the “Standard” and “PJ Premium” prices.  The only difference is seat location.  Searching Sacramento and Los Angeles, the cheapest “standard” tickets were uppers for $175 plus fees.  All lowers were priced close $500 and up.  As best I can tell, the high $400 range is the starting “face value” price for any section were you would actually want to sit.  Am I wrong?  Did any person buy lower bowl seats for less than $500 per ticket with fees?

Everyone who won in the lottery got lower bowl seats for $185 per ticket with fees, which is the "Standard" price.

You say you don't see a difference but then say you see "standard" for $175 and "premium" for $400+. How is that not a difference between standard and premium pricing? 

The “standard” price for lower bowl starts around $470 and goes to to roughly $900 or more.  But you answered my question about 10 club seats in the lower section.  I was genuinely confused because I got 10 Club waitlist and then got off the waitlist.  My 10 Club code gave me the privilege of buying a single lower bowl seat in the range of $500 to $900 with fees and tax. 

That wasn’t a Ten Club code. That was a Ticketmaster Verified Fan code. That’s not the Ten Club lottery.

Hoccapuk

Posted this in the European thread but fits here as well. I think we are failing to take into account the Taylor Swift effect.  The huge corporations like Live Nation and Ticketmaster (which we know work together) see Taylor Swift selling out arenas in Europe and around the world at crazy prices and say "this can work for other large arena acts". Clearly it can't.

SHZA

NM70698 said:

Dude, I just went to Ticketmaster for Portland.  Section 224, a single ticket is $515+. It’s a regular ticket, Not PJ Premium.  These are the face value prices for seats.  It’s insane.

Dude. Check again 

BF25394

PJ_Soul said:

Get_Right said:

ponner1us said:

Get_Right said:

It is amazing how naive and uninformed many fans are about ticket pricing and the concert industry, and how much has changed since the band took on ticketmaster 30 years ago!  The band could charge much more than $185 if they really wanted to be greedy. The non-10C high prices you see now will be adjusted to reflect true demand as the shows get closer. This is the new reality, micro management of each individual seat. Do not buy now, but there is no guarantee prices will go down for high demand shows. When I have had to bite the bullet, it was a decent seat for MSG around $500.

Yes, most of us are bumbling idiots, thank you for the expansive education, it was very enlightening. I feel as if I now understand all of the intricacies involved in the current pricing system. I had no idea that capitalism, free market, and supply & demand were all factors to consider… Wow!!!

Free market has nothing to do with it. And yes, many people are just bashing the band without knowing the real reason why tickets are more expensive. And they cannot cite one band other than the Cure that is not charging more for their tickets.

What? I can site every band I've ever seen at the same local venue. I have literally never been to a show there where the worst upper level tickets were set at $208 face value. It is an insane price.

How many of them have you seen in 2024? The funny thing is that the Vancouver shows are among the cheapest on the whole North American tour. U.S. shows are either US$185 or US$175 before taxes, for the most part. (There are obstructed-view Fenway tix that are US$131. I'm not sure about Wrigley.) The CAD$208 translated to US$155 when I bought my tickets. And there was no tax added. Vancouver was US$44.50 less than Las Vegas, which has the highest taxes and highest U.S. "standard" ticket price of $199.58 after tax.

NM70698

Well maybe I’m wrong.  A big part of the confusion is neither the band nor TM has stating the official pricing schedule.  Why shroud it in mystery? It’s like the band can’t bring itself to admit nobody can buy a ticket to their concerts for less than $200

SHZA

NM70698 said:

Well maybe I’m wrong.  A big part of the confusion is neither the band nor TM has stating the official pricing schedule.  Why shroud it in mystery? It’s like the band can’t bring itself to admit nobody can buy a ticket to their concerts for less than $200

The 10c lottery had the pricing laid out pretty clearly. And there is a lengthy FAQ that discusses that a portion of the tickets will be PJ Premium and priced higher