I remember being surprised by the kneeling piece when I attended a Catholic funeral.
I grew up in the United Methodist Church. We only did communion twice a year I believe...Easter and Xmas.
I used to go to church with my Grandma in Ft Wayne whenever I stayed with them during the summers. She attended a church affiliated with the Church of God. They did communion every week which was an impressive snack for me.
Dude.. you ate the Body of Christ. Sicko.
I enjoyed the blood. Tasted like grape juice.
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a buddy of mine promised his mom he'd go to mass on a saturday afternoon. we were hanging out that day, so he begged me to go with him. having never been in a catholic church before (I was about 17), I started fiddling around with that kneeling thing with my foot, wondering what it was. well, I let it fall and it cranked an old man down the aisle on his shin, and he let out a massive "AAAHHH!", spending the rest of mass massaging his leg and giving me the stink eye.
that was my last catholic mass until I got married.
Every single one of us has done that, lol.
Our pews were old and had a crack in some from bigger people sitting on the edge rather than kneeling.
Well in the summer when you wear shorts and someone bigger than you sits on the edge those cracks open up. When they shift or move those cracks close. Sometimes on your exposed skin.
I too have let out an ouch. That hurts!
Oh my god, you're triggering PTSD in me with this.
It was funny to me because at my church we would all have to wait our turn to go down front and take the cracker/juice at an alter. You would kneel down and the entire alter had a lid on it that they would open and expose all the little cup holders. It was like a buffet...the minister didn't give it to you. You just waited until everyone was ready then he told you to eat the body, drink the blood, etc., then you went back to your pew.
At Gma's church they just passed around a cool little serving tray with a bunch of little cup holders in it so you never had to leave the pew. Crackers came on a separate tray.
We went to an Easter play at our church where they did communion with actual wine. They passed around this big cup of it and everyone drank from it. I can't imagine they still do that anywhere.
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The notion (as stated by some of you above) that working as pastor, youth group leader, etc. creates access makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that supposedly Christianity is a faith based at least in part on a sense of morality and yet here you have people committing heinous and highly immoral acts. It reminds me of Christians who love and support Trump, another example of a confounding disconnect. All I can say is, Jesus would be mightily pissed off. If you think he lost his cool with the money changers in the temple, imagine how he would feel about these creeps.
American Christianity is a long way from Jesus's teachings.
Not all the churches suck. I've been to some good ones.
Jesus didn’t pass a collection plate. All American religions are corrupt in one way or another and some to a lesser degree (there is no degree of sin?) than others.
I guess we are doing a religion class now?
Jesus did not but Tithes are very much mentioned throughout the bible. It goes with the whole Give unto the Lord thing.
Can we add synagogues and Mosques to the corruption list too?
Is this thread about religious corruption, or groomers?
Christians don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to the latter.
That's debatable.
What is?
Grooming. It happens everywhere unfortunately.
It sure does, and in the case of the Catholic church there's been coordinated cover up and enabling of grooming and abuse of children over the course of decades, if not centuries.
This piqued my curiosity as to whether or not grooming and abuse is more prevalent in some religions as opposed to others... . I don't have the answer to that question, nor do I have time to dive in today, but with that being said:
There's no small amount of hypocrisy coming from the overwhelmingly Christian conservatives in America vilifying LGBTQ groups for grooming of children. Like you said, it happens everywhere. Has it been happening among the drag or trans community to the extent that they should be demonized for it? Not that I'm aware of, (but I'm open to new information).
Vilifying an already marginalized group for something that happens everywhere suggests this line of attack has nothing to do with children at all, and more about attacking that group and stoking the culture wars.
I trust that's not lost on you.
Not lost on me at all and the other religious groups it's hard to get numbers but it happens. Certain Jewish secs marry off their kids young, that's what they do and nobody knows about it because it's all in house.
Rearranged marriages still happen. Is that grooming? If they are being taught that this is what you do then it is.
NY used to have a 14yo marriage age up until a few years ago. Crazy right?
The notion (as stated by some of you above) that working as pastor, youth group leader, etc. creates access makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that supposedly Christianity is a faith based at least in part on a sense of morality and yet here you have people committing heinous and highly immoral acts. It reminds me of Christians who love and support Trump, another example of a confounding disconnect. All I can say is, Jesus would be mightily pissed off. If you think he lost his cool with the money changers in the temple, imagine how he would feel about these creeps.
American Christianity is a long way from Jesus's teachings.
Not all the churches suck. I've been to some good ones.
Jesus didn’t pass a collection plate. All American religions are corrupt in one way or another and some to a lesser degree (there is no degree of sin?) than others.
I guess we are doing a religion class now?
Jesus did not but Tithes are very much mentioned throughout the bible. It goes with the whole Give unto the Lord thing.
Can we add synagogues and Mosques to the corruption list too?
Is this thread about religious corruption, or groomers?
Christians don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to the latter.
That's debatable.
What is?
Grooming. It happens everywhere unfortunately.
It sure does, and in the case of the Catholic church there's been coordinated cover up and enabling of grooming and abuse of children over the course of decades, if not centuries.
This piqued my curiosity as to whether or not grooming and abuse is more prevalent in some religions as opposed to others... . I don't have the answer to that question, nor do I have time to dive in today, but with that being said:
There's no small amount of hypocrisy coming from the overwhelmingly Christian conservatives in America vilifying LGBTQ groups for grooming of children. Like you said, it happens everywhere. Has it been happening among the drag or trans community to the extent that they should be demonized for it? Not that I'm aware of, (but I'm open to new information).
Vilifying an already marginalized group for something that happens everywhere suggests this line of attack has nothing to do with children at all, and more about attacking that group and stoking the culture wars.
I trust that's not lost on you.
Not lost on me at all and the other religious groups it's hard to get numbers but it happens. Certain Jewish secs marry off their kids young, that's what they do and nobody knows about it because it's all in house.
Rearranged marriages still happen. Is that grooming? If they are being taught that this is what you do then it is.
NY used to have a 14yo marriage age up until a few years ago. Crazy right?
Of course it's grooming, and (not that you brought it up) but when it comes to indoctrination, our public schools have nothing on organized religion.
My point is this: I think the majority of people getting worked up about grooming at drag shows just want a reason to hate people who do drag shows. It's homophobia under the guise of protecting children.
I would love to see a word count of how much 'groomer' (or some other variation of the term) was used online in the last 3 years as opposed to just the 15 years prior.
This is a new boogey man for conservative America in recent years. Maybe my recollection is wrong, but I don't recall 'grooming' per se being part of the lexicon or all that prevalent of a concern when the Catholic Church scandal came to light some 3 decades ago.
The notion (as stated by some of you above) that working as pastor, youth group leader, etc. creates access makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that supposedly Christianity is a faith based at least in part on a sense of morality and yet here you have people committing heinous and highly immoral acts. It reminds me of Christians who love and support Trump, another example of a confounding disconnect. All I can say is, Jesus would be mightily pissed off. If you think he lost his cool with the money changers in the temple, imagine how he would feel about these creeps.
American Christianity is a long way from Jesus's teachings.
Not all the churches suck. I've been to some good ones.
Jesus didn’t pass a collection plate. All American religions are corrupt in one way or another and some to a lesser degree (there is no degree of sin?) than others.
I guess we are doing a religion class now?
Jesus did not but Tithes are very much mentioned throughout the bible. It goes with the whole Give unto the Lord thing.
Can we add synagogues and Mosques to the corruption list too?
Is this thread about religious corruption, or groomers?
Christians don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to the latter.
That's debatable.
What is?
Grooming. It happens everywhere unfortunately.
It sure does, and in the case of the Catholic church there's been coordinated cover up and enabling of grooming and abuse of children over the course of decades, if not centuries.
This piqued my curiosity as to whether or not grooming and abuse is more prevalent in some religions as opposed to others... . I don't have the answer to that question, nor do I have time to dive in today, but with that being said:
There's no small amount of hypocrisy coming from the overwhelmingly Christian conservatives in America vilifying LGBTQ groups for grooming of children. Like you said, it happens everywhere. Has it been happening among the drag or trans community to the extent that they should be demonized for it? Not that I'm aware of, (but I'm open to new information).
Vilifying an already marginalized group for something that happens everywhere suggests this line of attack has nothing to do with children at all, and more about attacking that group and stoking the culture wars.
I trust that's not lost on you.
Not lost on me at all and the other religious groups it's hard to get numbers but it happens. Certain Jewish secs marry off their kids young, that's what they do and nobody knows about it because it's all in house.
Rearranged marriages still happen. Is that grooming? If they are being taught that this is what you do then it is.
NY used to have a 14yo marriage age up until a few years ago. Crazy right?
Of course it's grooming, and (not that you brought it up) but when it comes to indoctrination, our public schools have nothing on organized religion.
My point is this: I think the majority of people getting worked up about grooming at drag shows just want a reason to hate people who do drag shows. It's homophobia under the guise of protecting children.
I would love to see a word count of how much 'groomer' (or some other variation of the term) was used online in the last 3 years as opposed to just the 15 years prior.
This is a new boogey man for conservative America in recent years. Maybe my recollection is wrong, but I don't recall 'grooming' per se being part of the lexicon or all that prevalent of a concern when the Catholic Church scandal came to light some 3 decades ago.
Woody allen was the first "groomer" I knew of. The artist Bjorns got nailed for this a few years ago too. It's been around for a while but not until of late it's become the thing.
I found this article and chuckled after what you said. It is quite the buzz word now for sure.
100% Merkin. I know it's been said ad nauseum here, but it's all projection. apparently the left are the kings of "fake outrage", yet conservatives LITERALLY make up shit to get outraged about.
100% Merkin. I know it's been said ad nauseum here, but it's all projection. apparently the left are the kings of "fake outrage", yet conservatives LITERALLY make up shit to get outraged about.
Like the term 'snowflakes', it's all about projection.
Every accusation from the right is really a confession.
The notion (as stated by some of you above) that working as pastor, youth group leader, etc. creates access makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that supposedly Christianity is a faith based at least in part on a sense of morality and yet here you have people committing heinous and highly immoral acts. It reminds me of Christians who love and support Trump, another example of a confounding disconnect. All I can say is, Jesus would be mightily pissed off. If you think he lost his cool with the money changers in the temple, imagine how he would feel about these creeps.
American Christianity is a long way from Jesus's teachings.
Not all the churches suck. I've been to some good ones.
Agreed, for sure. I don't have anything against people who are religious or church going. My father was very involved in the Presbyterian Church. He was a deacon for several year and at one time he became the Moderator of the General Assembly of the U.S. Presbyterian Church. He did good work and was a faithful and decent man. So I know there are good people doing good things in various churches. What I don't understand is why more people of faith have not spoken out against those who would distort and pervert the foundations of their faith.
It's really sad. Now let's be honest, there's been a sect of the Christian faith in this country that has a long history of using the Bible to oppress the marginalized and less fortunate in this country. I won't name names, but we'll call the the Bouthern Saptists. This is all part of their history.
I actually really like the Presbyterian and Methodist sects of Christianity. I have found those congregations to be more open minded, accepting, etc.
Why more people haven't spoken out, I cannot say. I continue to blame right wing media, including Fox, for radicalizing a significant portion of this country.
Well said, bud!
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100% Merkin. I know it's been said ad nauseum here, but it's all projection. apparently the left are the kings of "fake outrage", yet conservatives LITERALLY make up shit to get outraged about.
Like the term 'snowflakes', it's all about projection.
Every accusation from the right is really a confession.
Good article, Tempo.
woke is the new snowflake
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100% Merkin. I know it's been said ad nauseum here, but it's all projection. apparently the left are the kings of "fake outrage", yet conservatives LITERALLY make up shit to get outraged about.
Like the term 'snowflakes', it's all about projection.
Every accusation from the right is really a confession.
Good article, Tempo.
woke is the new snowflake
If you (not you specifically, Germ) think 'woke' means something bad, congratulations... you've been indoctrinated (or you're just a hateful POS):
The notion (as stated by some of you above) that working as pastor, youth group leader, etc. creates access makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that supposedly Christianity is a faith based at least in part on a sense of morality and yet here you have people committing heinous and highly immoral acts. It reminds me of Christians who love and support Trump, another example of a confounding disconnect. All I can say is, Jesus would be mightily pissed off. If you think he lost his cool with the money changers in the temple, imagine how he would feel about these creeps.
American Christianity is a long way from Jesus's teachings.
Not all the churches suck. I've been to some good ones.
Jesus didn’t pass a collection plate. All American religions are corrupt in one way or another and some to a lesser degree (there is no degree of sin?) than others.
I guess we are doing a religion class now?
Jesus did not but Tithes are very much mentioned throughout the bible. It goes with the whole Give unto the Lord thing.
Can we add synagogues and Mosques to the corruption list too?
Is this thread about religious corruption, or groomers?
Christians don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to the latter.
That's debatable.
What is?
Grooming. It happens everywhere unfortunately.
It sure does, and in the case of the Catholic church there's been coordinated cover up and enabling of grooming and abuse of children over the course of decades, if not centuries.
This piqued my curiosity as to whether or not grooming and abuse is more prevalent in some religions as opposed to others... . I don't have the answer to that question, nor do I have time to dive in today, but with that being said:
There's no small amount of hypocrisy coming from the overwhelmingly Christian conservatives in America vilifying LGBTQ groups for grooming of children. Like you said, it happens everywhere. Has it been happening among the drag or trans community to the extent that they should be demonized for it? Not that I'm aware of, (but I'm open to new information).
Vilifying an already marginalized group for something that happens everywhere suggests this line of attack has nothing to do with children at all, and more about attacking that group and stoking the culture wars.
I trust that's not lost on you.
Not lost on me at all and the other religious groups it's hard to get numbers but it happens. Certain Jewish secs marry off their kids young, that's what they do and nobody knows about it because it's all in house.
Rearranged marriages still happen. Is that grooming? If they are being taught that this is what you do then it is.
NY used to have a 14yo marriage age up until a few years ago. Crazy right?
Of course it's grooming, and (not that you brought it up) but when it comes to indoctrination, our public schools have nothing on organized religion.
My point is this: I think the majority of people getting worked up about grooming at drag shows just want a reason to hate people who do drag shows. It's homophobia under the guise of protecting children.
I would love to see a word count of how much 'groomer' (or some other variation of the term) was used online in the last 3 years as opposed to just the 15 years prior.
This is a new boogey man for conservative America in recent years. Maybe my recollection is wrong, but I don't recall 'grooming' per se being part of the lexicon or all that prevalent of a concern when the Catholic Church scandal came to light some 3 decades ago.
Agreed. Yeah, grooming/pedophilia are everywhere. It happens in churches, schools, private companies, youth sports, and probably about any other type of organization you can think of.
Really, we (the "royal" we) have had a lot of opportunities to do a lot better at combating and punishing, whether you're talking liberals, conservatives, religious, atheist, etc. But what does today's conservative outrage factory do? They pick one certain type of people the they don't and create a narrative to keep the outrage factory churning. Anyone who says it's about the children is either a bold-faced liar or a sucker.
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100% Merkin. I know it's been said ad nauseum here, but it's all projection. apparently the left are the kings of "fake outrage", yet conservatives LITERALLY make up shit to get outraged about.
Like the term 'snowflakes', it's all about projection.
Every accusation from the right is really a confession.
Good article, Tempo.
woke is the new snowflake
If you (not you specifically, Germ) think 'woke' means something bad, congratulations... you've been indoctrinated (or you're just a hateful POS):
The notion (as stated by some of you above) that working as pastor, youth group leader, etc. creates access makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that supposedly Christianity is a faith based at least in part on a sense of morality and yet here you have people committing heinous and highly immoral acts. It reminds me of Christians who love and support Trump, another example of a confounding disconnect. All I can say is, Jesus would be mightily pissed off. If you think he lost his cool with the money changers in the temple, imagine how he would feel about these creeps.
American Christianity is a long way from Jesus's teachings.
Not all the churches suck. I've been to some good ones.
Jesus didn’t pass a collection plate. All American religions are corrupt in one way or another and some to a lesser degree (there is no degree of sin?) than others.
I guess we are doing a religion class now?
Jesus did not but Tithes are very much mentioned throughout the bible. It goes with the whole Give unto the Lord thing.
Can we add synagogues and Mosques to the corruption list too?
Is this thread about religious corruption, or groomers?
Christians don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to the latter.
That's debatable.
What is?
Grooming. It happens everywhere unfortunately.
It sure does, and in the case of the Catholic church there's been coordinated cover up and enabling of grooming and abuse of children over the course of decades, if not centuries.
This piqued my curiosity as to whether or not grooming and abuse is more prevalent in some religions as opposed to others... . I don't have the answer to that question, nor do I have time to dive in today, but with that being said:
There's no small amount of hypocrisy coming from the overwhelmingly Christian conservatives in America vilifying LGBTQ groups for grooming of children. Like you said, it happens everywhere. Has it been happening among the drag or trans community to the extent that they should be demonized for it? Not that I'm aware of, (but I'm open to new information).
Vilifying an already marginalized group for something that happens everywhere suggests this line of attack has nothing to do with children at all, and more about attacking that group and stoking the culture wars.
I trust that's not lost on you.
Not lost on me at all and the other religious groups it's hard to get numbers but it happens. Certain Jewish secs marry off their kids young, that's what they do and nobody knows about it because it's all in house.
Rearranged marriages still happen. Is that grooming? If they are being taught that this is what you do then it is.
NY used to have a 14yo marriage age up until a few years ago. Crazy right?
Child marriage is surprisingly common in the US and not just in red states. (300,000 minors married in the US since 2000). And, yeah, it's grooming; perhaps a very specific kind (i.e., so dirty old men can have a loophole to age of consent laws). I think it's also rooted in the idea that females are not really supposed to enjoy life. Marry them off at 14 so they don't run the risk of getting dreams of living their own lives or not being financially dependent on their husbands.
And I really can't take any "protect the children" people seriously if they don't support ending child marriage right now.
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The notion (as stated by some of you above) that working as pastor, youth group leader, etc. creates access makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that supposedly Christianity is a faith based at least in part on a sense of morality and yet here you have people committing heinous and highly immoral acts. It reminds me of Christians who love and support Trump, another example of a confounding disconnect. All I can say is, Jesus would be mightily pissed off. If you think he lost his cool with the money changers in the temple, imagine how he would feel about these creeps.
American Christianity is a long way from Jesus's teachings.
Not all the churches suck. I've been to some good ones.
Jesus didn’t pass a collection plate. All American religions are corrupt in one way or another and some to a lesser degree (there is no degree of sin?) than others.
I guess we are doing a religion class now?
Jesus did not but Tithes are very much mentioned throughout the bible. It goes with the whole Give unto the Lord thing.
Can we add synagogues and Mosques to the corruption list too?
Is this thread about religious corruption, or groomers?
Christians don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to the latter.
That's debatable.
What is?
Grooming. It happens everywhere unfortunately.
It sure does, and in the case of the Catholic church there's been coordinated cover up and enabling of grooming and abuse of children over the course of decades, if not centuries.
This piqued my curiosity as to whether or not grooming and abuse is more prevalent in some religions as opposed to others... . I don't have the answer to that question, nor do I have time to dive in today, but with that being said:
There's no small amount of hypocrisy coming from the overwhelmingly Christian conservatives in America vilifying LGBTQ groups for grooming of children. Like you said, it happens everywhere. Has it been happening among the drag or trans community to the extent that they should be demonized for it? Not that I'm aware of, (but I'm open to new information).
Vilifying an already marginalized group for something that happens everywhere suggests this line of attack has nothing to do with children at all, and more about attacking that group and stoking the culture wars.
I trust that's not lost on you.
Not lost on me at all and the other religious groups it's hard to get numbers but it happens. Certain Jewish secs marry off their kids young, that's what they do and nobody knows about it because it's all in house.
Rearranged marriages still happen. Is that grooming? If they are being taught that this is what you do then it is.
NY used to have a 14yo marriage age up until a few years ago. Crazy right?
Of course it's grooming, and (not that you brought it up) but when it comes to indoctrination, our public schools have nothing on organized religion.
My point is this: I think the majority of people getting worked up about grooming at drag shows just want a reason to hate people who do drag shows. It's homophobia under the guise of protecting children.
I would love to see a word count of how much 'groomer' (or some other variation of the term) was used online in the last 3 years as opposed to just the 15 years prior.
This is a new boogey man for conservative America in recent years. Maybe my recollection is wrong, but I don't recall 'grooming' per se being part of the lexicon or all that prevalent of a concern when the Catholic Church scandal came to light some 3 decades ago.
Agreed. Yeah, grooming/pedophilia are everywhere. It happens in churches, schools, private companies, youth sports, and probably about any other type of organization you can think of.
Really, we (the "royal" we) have had a lot of opportunities to do a lot better at combating and punishing, whether you're talking liberals, conservatives, religious, atheist, etc. But what does today's conservative outrage factory do? They pick one certain type of people the they don't and create a narrative to keep the outrage factory churning. Anyone who says it's about the children is either a bold-faced liar or a sucker.
What you're seeing now is the backlash against trans-activists is bleeding back into traditional homophobia. It never left, but it went underground in the years after Dobbs. But the bigots are taking this opportunity to go after gay and lesbians again.
The notion (as stated by some of you above) that working as pastor, youth group leader, etc. creates access makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that supposedly Christianity is a faith based at least in part on a sense of morality and yet here you have people committing heinous and highly immoral acts. It reminds me of Christians who love and support Trump, another example of a confounding disconnect. All I can say is, Jesus would be mightily pissed off. If you think he lost his cool with the money changers in the temple, imagine how he would feel about these creeps.
American Christianity is a long way from Jesus's teachings.
Not all the churches suck. I've been to some good ones.
Jesus didn’t pass a collection plate. All American religions are corrupt in one way or another and some to a lesser degree (there is no degree of sin?) than others.
I guess we are doing a religion class now?
Jesus did not but Tithes are very much mentioned throughout the bible. It goes with the whole Give unto the Lord thing.
Can we add synagogues and Mosques to the corruption list too?
Is this thread about religious corruption, or groomers?
Christians don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to the latter.
That's debatable.
What is?
Grooming. It happens everywhere unfortunately.
It sure does, and in the case of the Catholic church there's been coordinated cover up and enabling of grooming and abuse of children over the course of decades, if not centuries.
This piqued my curiosity as to whether or not grooming and abuse is more prevalent in some religions as opposed to others... . I don't have the answer to that question, nor do I have time to dive in today, but with that being said:
There's no small amount of hypocrisy coming from the overwhelmingly Christian conservatives in America vilifying LGBTQ groups for grooming of children. Like you said, it happens everywhere. Has it been happening among the drag or trans community to the extent that they should be demonized for it? Not that I'm aware of, (but I'm open to new information).
Vilifying an already marginalized group for something that happens everywhere suggests this line of attack has nothing to do with children at all, and more about attacking that group and stoking the culture wars.
I trust that's not lost on you.
Not lost on me at all and the other religious groups it's hard to get numbers but it happens. Certain Jewish secs marry off their kids young, that's what they do and nobody knows about it because it's all in house.
Rearranged marriages still happen. Is that grooming? If they are being taught that this is what you do then it is.
NY used to have a 14yo marriage age up until a few years ago. Crazy right?
Of course it's grooming, and (not that you brought it up) but when it comes to indoctrination, our public schools have nothing on organized religion.
My point is this: I think the majority of people getting worked up about grooming at drag shows just want a reason to hate people who do drag shows. It's homophobia under the guise of protecting children.
I would love to see a word count of how much 'groomer' (or some other variation of the term) was used online in the last 3 years as opposed to just the 15 years prior.
This is a new boogey man for conservative America in recent years. Maybe my recollection is wrong, but I don't recall 'grooming' per se being part of the lexicon or all that prevalent of a concern when the Catholic Church scandal came to light some 3 decades ago.
Agreed. Yeah, grooming/pedophilia are everywhere. It happens in churches, schools, private companies, youth sports, and probably about any other type of organization you can think of.
Really, we (the "royal" we) have had a lot of opportunities to do a lot better at combating and punishing, whether you're talking liberals, conservatives, religious, atheist, etc. But what does today's conservative outrage factory do? They pick one certain type of people the they don't and create a narrative to keep the outrage factory churning. Anyone who says it's about the children is either a bold-faced liar or a sucker.
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100% Merkin. I know it's been said ad nauseum here, but it's all projection. apparently the left are the kings of "fake outrage", yet conservatives LITERALLY make up shit to get outraged about.
Like the term 'snowflakes', it's all about projection.
Every accusation from the right is really a confession.
Good article, Tempo.
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I've gotten into a back-and-forth with someone over children who identify as cats. The person claims there is such a child at his kid's school. I have yet to receive proof, yet I've seen several other such claims. Does anyone happen to have proof of this phenomenon? There was the whole "litter box in school" fiasco that I've only seen one true instance of, and that was a school in Colorado that had litter in case kids were locked in a room for a long period of time due to an active shooter. I'm not sure if this "kids identifying as cats" stemmed from that. Sounds ridiculous, but I suppose it's possible.
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There was a member on here a few years back before this got really mainstream that said " I now will identify as a cat." and he ran with it for a bit. His response to people would be "meow?!?"
I thought he was hysterical and it pissed people off which I also liked, lol.
If you can't find that story and all it is is repeating of the same account or story and nothing new then it probably isn't rue.
I've gotten into a back-and-forth with someone over children who identify as cats. The person claims there is such a child at his kid's school. I have yet to receive proof, yet I've seen several other such claims. Does anyone happen to have proof of this phenomenon? There was the whole "litter box in school" fiasco that I've only seen one true instance of, and that was a school in Colorado that had litter in case kids were locked in a room for a long period of time due to an active shooter. I'm not sure if this "kids identifying as cats" stemmed from that. Sounds ridiculous, but I suppose it's possible.
There's no shortage of articles out there debunking this... Most maintenance departments in schools & elsewhere have absorbent material like kitty litter to clean up messes (I keep a box of kitty litter in my basement for this exact reason) & yeah, the active shooter reasoning makes perfect sense as the likelihood of people people being locked in a room for extended periods of time exists nowadays.... so that's fun, this bullshit narrative intended to mock trans people partly (mostly?) originated from measures put into place due to the increased number of school shootings we have.
The vast majority of those 300k Chile marriages are 17 year olds. Many states allow 17 year olds to marry with parental permission, and I’ve never heard that was a religious vs non-religious view.. While I’d never give permission to my 17 year old, it’s hard for me to argue against it when they are allowed to be sent off to war. I have a 17 year old cousin in boot camp right now.
Ive grown up in the church and still attend. I have many family and friends in that Christian circle. I can’t think of a single personal I personally know who’d be okay with a child marriage beyond what is legal, and most wouldn’t even give permission to their 17 year old either. I have a hard time believing this post is accurate by any stretch.
I read many comments in that link. Seems to be full of misconceptions and false stereotypes. One was this image below. I had no idea what it was taking about. After trying to find out, all I could see was March 2022 a proposed bill to recognize common law marriage failed to provide an age requirement. It was shortly amended a few days later to include an age requirement of 18, but there were still many articles after that change accusing them republican leadership of trying to legalize child marriage of any age. This was shared well after the change. I could find no other mention of TN republicans trying to legalize child marriage other than the common law proposal.
And,for the record, dressing your child up and posing for a political prop and spreading her image around on social media for complete strangers, especially one that intentionally spreads false information, is as much of a groomer as any other example I’ve seen here.
The vast majority of those 300k Chile marriages are 17 year olds. Many states allow 17 year olds to marry with parental permission, and I’ve never heard that was a religious vs non-religious view.. While I’d never give permission to my 17 year old, it’s hard for me to argue against it when they are allowed to be sent off to war. I have a 17 year old cousin in boot camp right now.
Ive grown up in the church and still attend. I have many family and friends in that Christian circle. I can’t think of a single personal I personally know who’d be okay with a child marriage beyond what is legal, and most wouldn’t even give permission to their 17 year old either. I have a hard time believing this post is accurate by any stretch.
I read many comments in that link. Seems to be full of misconceptions and false stereotypes. One was this image below. I had no idea what it was taking about. After trying to find out, all I could see was March 2022 a proposed bill to recognize common law marriage failed to provide an age requirement. It was shortly amended a few days later to include an age requirement of 18, but there were still many articles after that change accusing them republican leadership of trying to legalize child marriage of any age. This was shared well after the change. I could find no other mention of TN republicans trying to legalize child marriage other than the common law proposal.
And,for the record, dressing your child up and posing for a political prop and spreading her image around on social media for complete strangers, especially one that intentionally spreads false information, is as much of a groomer as any other example I’ve seen here.
This is why tweets aren't news. Just buzz words.
I am curious about the 10yo that was married. I wonder if they were actually 40 but were born on a leap year, wouldn't that be a lick in the dick?
The vast majority of those 300k Chile marriages are 17 year olds. Many states allow 17 year olds to marry with parental permission, and I’ve never heard that was a religious vs non-religious view.. While I’d never give permission to my 17 year old, it’s hard for me to argue against it when they are allowed to be sent off to war. I have a 17 year old cousin in boot camp right now.
Ive grown up in the church and still attend. I have many family and friends in that Christian circle. I can’t think of a single personal I personally know who’d be okay with a child marriage beyond what is legal, and most wouldn’t even give permission to their 17 year old either. I have a hard time believing this post is accurate by any stretch.
I read many comments in that link. Seems to be full of misconceptions and false stereotypes. One was this image below. I had no idea what it was taking about. After trying to find out, all I could see was March 2022 a proposed bill to recognize common law marriage failed to provide an age requirement. It was shortly amended a few days later to include an age requirement of 18, but there were still many articles after that change accusing them republican leadership of trying to legalize child marriage of any age. This was shared well after the change. I could find no other mention of TN republicans trying to legalize child marriage other than the common law proposal.
And,for the record, dressing your child up and posing for a political prop and spreading her image around on social media for complete strangers, especially one that intentionally spreads false information, is as much of a groomer as any other example I’ve seen here.
How do you join the army at 17? I thought you had to be a legal adult, with a high school education.
To your punchline, I agree using your children as political props is wrong. I see it on both sides. I would not go so far as saying it's as bad as the criminal examples that we've shared here. That's overstated.
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I've been there.
At Gma's church they just passed around a cool little serving tray with a bunch of little cup holders in it so you never had to leave the pew. Crackers came on a separate tray.
We went to an Easter play at our church where they did communion with actual wine. They passed around this big cup of it and everyone drank from it. I can't imagine they still do that anywhere.
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Rearranged marriages still happen. Is that grooming? If they are being taught that this is what you do then it is.
NY used to have a 14yo marriage age up until a few years ago. Crazy right?
My point is this: I think the majority of people getting worked up about grooming at drag shows just want a reason to hate people who do drag shows. It's homophobia under the guise of protecting children.
I would love to see a word count of how much 'groomer' (or some other variation of the term) was used online in the last 3 years as opposed to just the 15 years prior.
This is a new boogey man for conservative America in recent years. Maybe my recollection is wrong, but I don't recall 'grooming' per se being part of the lexicon or all that prevalent of a concern when the Catholic Church scandal came to light some 3 decades ago.
I found this article and chuckled after what you said. It is quite the buzz word now for sure.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/why-you-keep-hearing-the-word-grooming-in-the-news/
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Good article, Tempo.
Well said, bud!
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If you (not you specifically, Germ) think 'woke' means something bad, congratulations... you've been indoctrinated (or you're just a hateful POS):
woke
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Really, we (the "royal" we) have had a lot of opportunities to do a lot better at combating and punishing, whether you're talking liberals, conservatives, religious, atheist, etc. But what does today's conservative outrage factory do? They pick one certain type of people the they don't and create a narrative to keep the outrage factory churning. Anyone who says it's about the children is either a bold-faced liar or a sucker.
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2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
And I really can't take any "protect the children" people seriously if they don't support ending child marriage right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States
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I thought he was hysterical and it pissed people off which I also liked, lol.
If you can't find that story and all it is is repeating of the same account or story and nothing new then it probably isn't rue.
Good times here in the US of A.
Ive grown up in the church and still attend. I have many family and friends in that Christian circle. I can’t think of a single personal I personally know who’d be okay with a child marriage beyond what is legal, and most wouldn’t even give permission to their 17 year old either. I have a hard time believing this post is accurate by any stretch.
And,for the record, dressing your child up and posing for a political prop and spreading her image around on social media for complete strangers, especially one that intentionally spreads false information, is as much of a groomer as any other example I’ve seen here.
I am curious about the 10yo that was married. I wonder if they were actually 40 but were born on a leap year, wouldn't that be a lick in the dick?
To your punchline, I agree using your children as political props is wrong. I see it on both sides. I would not go so far as saying it's as bad as the criminal examples that we've shared here. That's overstated.