What’s up with Fresno?

cutz

Weston1283 said:

I think it goes beyond Fresno to be honest.  If you look at the entire May leg, has there ever been a run of shows with this many really good seats available?

You can go on TM right and grab an excellent face value ticket for any of the shows in May

I really think it’s more related to the 7 weeks of notice coupled with an increasingly difficult financial state for many people as opposed to Fresno just being a bad decision 

Good point about 7 Weeks notice.

Also, the routing of the Tour doesn't help, for myself anyway(with the tickets I had from 2020).  If Tour started in NorCal and worked it's way down Cal into Glendale , with it ending in Vegas would've been a big help. (or vice-versa). I may have added BOTH Fresno and Sac, but with the way the Tour is routed now(through no one's fault) I'll be driving twice as many miles and twice the amount of time on the road as compared to 2020 with the tickets I got in 2020.  

With that said I'm tempted(with GREAT seats still to be had) to go to Fresno, but it's now down to do I want to spend money on 3 additional nights for Hotel stay and cost of another ticket? 

CantKeepmedown

ClownofThorns said:

OceansJenny said:

I have a friend that moved to Fresno. She is 15 min from the arena. Fresno natives are not your typical PJ demographic. And to get to Fresno from SF is a pain in the ass, it was like a 3-3.5 hr drive. The same as driving NYC to Baltimore. But to go to Fresno. There is really no reason to go to Fresno as a tourist. It’s a farming town.

Even though my friend lives there, I’m not going to the Fresno show. Too much of a pain in the ass to get there. It’s in the middle of nowhere.

Man, I wish had these problems. If a show is within a 3-3.5 hr drive from me, I'm 100% going. When OKC showed up on the list for 2020, I was ecstatic: 3:25 from my house? Woohoo!! Even St. Louis (5+ hours) is a no-brainer for me. 

Yeah, 3.5 hour drive is a no brainer. That's a drive to CT for me. 6 hours to NYC is also a no brainer. I've done Philly a couple times but that's pushing it a bit. 

ClownofThorns

CantKeepmedown said:

ClownofThorns said:

OceansJenny said:

I have a friend that moved to Fresno. She is 15 min from the arena. Fresno natives are not your typical PJ demographic. And to get to Fresno from SF is a pain in the ass, it was like a 3-3.5 hr drive. The same as driving NYC to Baltimore. But to go to Fresno. There is really no reason to go to Fresno as a tourist. It’s a farming town.

Even though my friend lives there, I’m not going to the Fresno show. Too much of a pain in the ass to get there. It’s in the middle of nowhere.

Man, I wish had these problems. If a show is within a 3-3.5 hr drive from me, I'm 100% going. When OKC showed up on the list for 2020, I was ecstatic: 3:25 from my house? Woohoo!! Even St. Louis (5+ hours) is a no-brainer for me. 

Yeah, 3.5 hour drive is a no brainer. That's a drive to CT for me. 6 hours to NYC is also a no brainer. I've done Philly a couple times but that's pushing it a bit. 

That's Denver for me: I'll do the drive, but it's a bear. I'll still probably end up going in September, though, for the last show of the tour. 

ComeToTX

6 of my 25 shows have been 3 hours or less from my house. 3 of my 11 EV shows. 

ClownofThorns

ComeToTX said:

6 of my 25 shows have been 3 hours or less from my house. 3 of my 11 EV shows. 

Jealous. PJ hasn't played within 3 hours of my current town since 2010.....2 years before I moved here. 

dr122931

ClownofThorns said:

dr122931 said:

vedpunk said:

I really hope the poor ticket sales in Fresno and Sacramento causes the band to rethink their stance on playing shows in Texas.  They could be reaching a lot more fans and generating a ton more $ for themselves and their entire crew.  Wasted opportunity once again.  There must have been a very good financial and maybe logistical reason for playing those cities in addition to the other Cali cities.  

It’s very frustrating.  I live in houston.  No shows since 2003 (woodlands).  Toyota center would be a perfect spot.  Great arena downtown and 2 major airports within 20 miles of arena.  And, it’s the 4th largest city in US.  

Use one of those two airports to fly to Fresno or Sacramento!

I’m using one of them to go to the Oakland shows!   

BF25394

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

OfThePearl

^^ This, for sure.

bootlegger10

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

RatherStarved

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Once again I’d point out that the band doesn’t take the ticket sales risk.  That’s on the promoter who pays the band an amount regardless of ticket sales.  I don’t know enough to know if the amount gets bumped up or down based on sales but at least in some cases it’s a flat appearance fee and Ed and the boys get their cash regardless.  Perhaps someone in Fres/Sac made an offer they couldn’t refuse but I don’t think PJ will be any worse off than if they played Portland/Seattle let’s say.  

Haijay

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Definitely should have continued up the coast and did portland and two at climate pledge. Why didn’t they just ask me what they should do, jeez

PJNB

RatherStarved said:

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Once again I’d point out that the band doesn’t take the ticket sales risk.  That’s on the promoter who pays the band an amount regardless of ticket sales.  I don’t know enough to know if the amount gets bumped up or down based on sales but at least in some cases it’s a flat appearance fee and Ed and the boys get their cash regardless.  Perhaps someone in Fres/Sac made an offer they couldn’t refuse but I don’t think PJ will be any worse off than if they played Portland/Seattle let’s say.  

Maybe this time it does not hurt them but going forward the smaller markets will look at these two shows as potentially an example to pass on them playing or pay them less to do so. 

ClownofThorns

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Once again I’d point out that the band doesn’t take the ticket sales risk.  That’s on the promoter who pays the band an amount regardless of ticket sales.  I don’t know enough to know if the amount gets bumped up or down based on sales but at least in some cases it’s a flat appearance fee and Ed and the boys get their cash regardless.  Perhaps someone in Fres/Sac made an offer they couldn’t refuse but I don’t think PJ will be any worse off than if they played Portland/Seattle let’s say.  

Maybe this time it does not hurt them but going forward the smaller markets will look at these two shows as potentially an example to pass on them playing or pay them less to do so. 

Definitely. Interesting to see if Fresno and Sacramento are written off as indicative of a saturated California market or if this makes it more likely we see fewer "small" market shows. 

PJNB

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Once again I’d point out that the band doesn’t take the ticket sales risk.  That’s on the promoter who pays the band an amount regardless of ticket sales.  I don’t know enough to know if the amount gets bumped up or down based on sales but at least in some cases it’s a flat appearance fee and Ed and the boys get their cash regardless.  Perhaps someone in Fres/Sac made an offer they couldn’t refuse but I don’t think PJ will be any worse off than if they played Portland/Seattle let’s say.  

Maybe this time it does not hurt them but going forward the smaller markets will look at these two shows as potentially an example to pass on them playing or pay them less to do so. 

Definitely. Interesting to see if Fresno and Sacramento are written off as indicative of a saturated California market or if this makes it more likely we see fewer "small" market shows. 

I am all for smaller market shows even if they sell as these ones do. This time though coming out of a pandemic it is an odd choice with so many larger markets even on the west/mid west being missed. That is not even taking into account the east but that is a completely different leg all together. 

How are Chicago Boston and Seattle getting skipped and NY and Philly are getting one show each? Crazy.

ClownofThorns

PJNB said:

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Once again I’d point out that the band doesn’t take the ticket sales risk.  That’s on the promoter who pays the band an amount regardless of ticket sales.  I don’t know enough to know if the amount gets bumped up or down based on sales but at least in some cases it’s a flat appearance fee and Ed and the boys get their cash regardless.  Perhaps someone in Fres/Sac made an offer they couldn’t refuse but I don’t think PJ will be any worse off than if they played Portland/Seattle let’s say.  

Maybe this time it does not hurt them but going forward the smaller markets will look at these two shows as potentially an example to pass on them playing or pay them less to do so. 

Definitely. Interesting to see if Fresno and Sacramento are written off as indicative of a saturated California market or if this makes it more likely we see fewer "small" market shows. 

I am all for smaller market shows even if they sell as these ones do. This time though coming out of a pandemic it is an odd choice with so many larger markets even on the west/mid west being missed. That is not even taking into account the east but that is a completely different leg all together. 

How are Chicago Boston and Seattle getting skipped and NY and Philly are getting one show each? Crazy.

I've been sending the entire band subliminal "fuck the Eastern half of the US" messages. 

PJNB

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Once again I’d point out that the band doesn’t take the ticket sales risk.  That’s on the promoter who pays the band an amount regardless of ticket sales.  I don’t know enough to know if the amount gets bumped up or down based on sales but at least in some cases it’s a flat appearance fee and Ed and the boys get their cash regardless.  Perhaps someone in Fres/Sac made an offer they couldn’t refuse but I don’t think PJ will be any worse off than if they played Portland/Seattle let’s say.  

Maybe this time it does not hurt them but going forward the smaller markets will look at these two shows as potentially an example to pass on them playing or pay them less to do so. 

Definitely. Interesting to see if Fresno and Sacramento are written off as indicative of a saturated California market or if this makes it more likely we see fewer "small" market shows. 

I am all for smaller market shows even if they sell as these ones do. This time though coming out of a pandemic it is an odd choice with so many larger markets even on the west/mid west being missed. That is not even taking into account the east but that is a completely different leg all together. 

How are Chicago Boston and Seattle getting skipped and NY and Philly are getting one show each? Crazy.

I've been sending the entire band subliminal "fuck the Eastern half of the US" messages. 

If you have that much sway can you tell them to hit a Maritime show in Canada please and thanks! We are the definition of small market.

ClownofThorns

PJNB said:

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Once again I’d point out that the band doesn’t take the ticket sales risk.  That’s on the promoter who pays the band an amount regardless of ticket sales.  I don’t know enough to know if the amount gets bumped up or down based on sales but at least in some cases it’s a flat appearance fee and Ed and the boys get their cash regardless.  Perhaps someone in Fres/Sac made an offer they couldn’t refuse but I don’t think PJ will be any worse off than if they played Portland/Seattle let’s say.  

Maybe this time it does not hurt them but going forward the smaller markets will look at these two shows as potentially an example to pass on them playing or pay them less to do so. 

Definitely. Interesting to see if Fresno and Sacramento are written off as indicative of a saturated California market or if this makes it more likely we see fewer "small" market shows. 

I am all for smaller market shows even if they sell as these ones do. This time though coming out of a pandemic it is an odd choice with so many larger markets even on the west/mid west being missed. That is not even taking into account the east but that is a completely different leg all together. 

How are Chicago Boston and Seattle getting skipped and NY and Philly are getting one show each? Crazy.

I've been sending the entire band subliminal "fuck the Eastern half of the US" messages. 

If you have that much sway can you tell them to hit a Maritime show in Canada please and thanks! We are the definition of small market.

Sorry. Many years ago I instilled in Boom an irrational fear of Anne of Green Gables. He refuses to go within 300 kilometers of PEI. 

Haijay

If you take away vegas, sac, and fresno, they were to play SIX shows on leg 1. SIX!!!! WTF is that for a band that has been chomping at the bit for two years to play again. Why not start in New Orleans, houston, san antonio, dallas, maybe austin, albuquerque, san diego, la, oak, portland, seattle. Now THAT’S a first leg!! Huh? Huh? 

Haijay

Haijay said:

If you take away vegas, sac, and fresno, they were to play SIX shows on leg 1. SIX!!!! WTF is that for a band that has been chomping at the bit for two years to play again. Why not start in New Orleans, houston, san antonio, dallas, maybe austin, albuquerque, san diego, la, oak, portland, seattle. Now THAT’S a first leg!! Huh? Huh? 

Whoops, i forgot to put vegas back in there somewhere

PJNB

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

ClownofThorns said:

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

bootlegger10 said:

BF25394 said:

Some people seem to think that Pearl Jam is playing Fresno and Sacramento instead of some other city or cities in the northeast or south.  I don't think there was any likelihood that Pearl Jam was going to shift from Oakland to the other side of the country, given the logistics involved and given that eastern dates were scheduled later in the year.  Instead, they added dates to extend the western leg.

Not at all.  Salt Lake City, two Vegas, Portland, Seattle, etc….plenty of places to play.

They probably expected to sell well and got a little over confident.  Still time though.

Once again I’d point out that the band doesn’t take the ticket sales risk.  That’s on the promoter who pays the band an amount regardless of ticket sales.  I don’t know enough to know if the amount gets bumped up or down based on sales but at least in some cases it’s a flat appearance fee and Ed and the boys get their cash regardless.  Perhaps someone in Fres/Sac made an offer they couldn’t refuse but I don’t think PJ will be any worse off than if they played Portland/Seattle let’s say.  

Maybe this time it does not hurt them but going forward the smaller markets will look at these two shows as potentially an example to pass on them playing or pay them less to do so. 

Definitely. Interesting to see if Fresno and Sacramento are written off as indicative of a saturated California market or if this makes it more likely we see fewer "small" market shows. 

I am all for smaller market shows even if they sell as these ones do. This time though coming out of a pandemic it is an odd choice with so many larger markets even on the west/mid west being missed. That is not even taking into account the east but that is a completely different leg all together. 

How are Chicago Boston and Seattle getting skipped and NY and Philly are getting one show each? Crazy.

I've been sending the entire band subliminal "fuck the Eastern half of the US" messages. 

If you have that much sway can you tell them to hit a Maritime show in Canada please and thanks! We are the definition of small market.

Sorry. Many years ago I instilled in Boom an irrational fear of Anne of Green Gables. He refuses to go within 300 kilometers of PEI. 

Lol touché.