I think that there is a recurrent theme that California got too many shows. If you laid California over the East Coast it would take up NY, MA, CT, DE, DC, MD, VA, WV, NC, SC and portion of GA that would include Atlanta....There are 40 million people in CA. Playing Oakland and Sacramento is akin to playing NYC and Camden, NJ. LA and San Diego would be like playing Atlanta and Charlotte. Nobody would question those planning decisions. From a geographic standpoint, the planning makes sense-especially taking into account the long wait for any NoCal shows (9 years since they played the Bay Area). Sacramento (20th largest media market in US) hasn't hosted PJ since 1998 (in town) and 2000 (an hour away).
Add Vegas and AZ and this geographically becomes as much of an West Coast tour as any East Coast tour that covers that much space...
The Fresno (55th largest media market) addition to the tour is curious...I am interested in seeing if there proves to be anything "unique" about the stop....
I have always found that this media market list is illuminating when I wonder why artists go to certain cities. As a West Coast guy I have been stunned to see Sacramento ahead of Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, etc.
By the way, I am sympathetic to those folks who have gone far too long without a "hometurf" show by PJ. I feel lucky to have the opportunity to see them in my hometown this time around...
Even though I’m very grumpy, it’s important to me to be happy for all the fans that get shows. And to JVs point, this is basically the 2020 tour. But “someone” in management must have known that even in 2020 the msg prices on stub hub were near a grand? Money is a great indication of imbalance with the gig a ton tour. As much as Ed likes to joke they were going to gig a ton, they should have known that their tour routing created a huge imbalance, and the one fix? Add five dates to an already saturated Cali tour, counting 2021? And maybe another for encore 2022? Is this a band in touch with their fans?
I get that there’s 40 million in CA, but there are far more on the east coast. The DC to Boston corridor has over sixty million in a smaller area.
Bottom line, it’s brutal for us in the east, and I’m sure Texas and the south as well (and oz is way overdue for some shows!) , where logistically or financially traveling a week and dropping a grand for shows is not realistic. Those TM blue dots for every May date, I don’t think I ever saw one of those on a show for a concert near me, ever. Not once. But hey, enjoy it while it’s there Cali.
Brutal for you guys in the East? You do realize the band has played a total of 23 shows over the last 10 years between NY, MA, PA, NJ and MD alone. That hardly sounds like a coast that's been starving for shows.
It isn't that playing Fresno is bad, or that having an undersold show is bad, or that California is bad. It's that they haven't played arenas in the U.S. since 2016 and the fanbase is starving to see them...and they scheduled one of their few new shows in a city that can't even fill GA. We've never seen GA tickets available like this. It's remarkable, and people are remarking. It's not an attack on the Fresno which we all do know is the American Paris.
That would be Bakersfield.
LOL! I went to Bakersfield once to see the Black Crowes. Needless to say, I've never gone back.
I’m not GA, decided to grab seats and sell my GAs, but would love to meet you guys ( @PJNB and @100 Pacer) in Fresno. That’s gonna be a wild night!
What happens in Fresno stays in Fresno.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
More GA currently up. GD I wish I had the testicular fortitude to just say F! this, I'm going to California.
YOLO.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
More GA currently up. GD I wish I had the testicular fortitude to just say F! this, I'm going to California.
YOLO.
You guys are killing me……I keep telling myself “Oakland is the final show, Oakland is the final show”
1996.....Toronto 2005.....Hamilton 2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton 2013.....London, Buffalo 2014.....Detroit 2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1 2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2 2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto 2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2 2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2 2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I think that there is a recurrent theme that California got too many shows. If you laid California over the East Coast it would take up NY, MA, CT, DE, DC, MD, VA, WV, NC, SC and portion of GA that would include Atlanta....There are 40 million people in CA. Playing Oakland and Sacramento is akin to playing NYC and Camden, NJ. LA and San Diego would be like playing Atlanta and Charlotte. Nobody would question those planning decisions. From a geographic standpoint, the planning makes sense-especially taking into account the long wait for any NoCal shows (9 years since they played the Bay Area). Sacramento (20th largest media market in US) hasn't hosted PJ since 1998 (in town) and 2000 (an hour away).
Add Vegas and AZ and this geographically becomes as much of an West Coast tour as any East Coast tour that covers that much space...
The Fresno (55th largest media market) addition to the tour is curious...I am interested in seeing if there proves to be anything "unique" about the stop....
I have always found that this media market list is illuminating when I wonder why artists go to certain cities. As a West Coast guy I have been stunned to see Sacramento ahead of Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, etc.
By the way, I am sympathetic to those folks who have gone far too long without a "hometurf" show by PJ. I feel lucky to have the opportunity to see them in my hometown this time around...
Even though I’m very grumpy, it’s important to me to be happy for all the fans that get shows. And to JVs point, this is basically the 2020 tour. But “someone” in management must have known that even in 2020 the msg prices on stub hub were near a grand? Money is a great indication of imbalance with the gig a ton tour. As much as Ed likes to joke they were going to gig a ton, they should have known that their tour routing created a huge imbalance, and the one fix? Add five dates to an already saturated Cali tour, counting 2021? And maybe another for encore 2022? Is this a band in touch with their fans?
I get that there’s 40 million in CA, but there are far more on the east coast. The DC to Boston corridor has over sixty million in a smaller area.
Bottom line, it’s brutal for us in the east, and I’m sure Texas and the south as well (and oz is way overdue for some shows!) , where logistically or financially traveling a week and dropping a grand for shows is not realistic. Those TM blue dots for every May date, I don’t think I ever saw one of those on a show for a concert near me, ever. Not once. But hey, enjoy it while it’s there Cali.
Brutal for you guys in the East? You do realize the band has played a total of 23 shows over the last 10 years between NY, MA, PA, NJ and MD alone. That hardly sounds like a coast that's been starving for shows.
I’ll trust your math but we are at 4 arena shows in ten years in NY, and if also counting Global Cit and all those Fenway horrors with no GA (sorry, MLB stadia and concert dynamics don’t mix well) is in no way comparable to the seven show run at one time in CA now which is creating a sea of blue dots on TM, which, I guess needs be said again, have never ever appeared for shows in NYC region. Nor Fenway either. So the market is clearly indicating an imbalance. And single shows like this years MSG shall also not be counted in that “23 of the future” bc chances at tix for that are a bit absurd for a NY show. I know you know simple counts can be significantly misleading.
I think that there is a recurrent theme that California got too many shows. If you laid California over the East Coast it would take up NY, MA, CT, DE, DC, MD, VA, WV, NC, SC and portion of GA that would include Atlanta....There are 40 million people in CA. Playing Oakland and Sacramento is akin to playing NYC and Camden, NJ. LA and San Diego would be like playing Atlanta and Charlotte. Nobody would question those planning decisions. From a geographic standpoint, the planning makes sense-especially taking into account the long wait for any NoCal shows (9 years since they played the Bay Area). Sacramento (20th largest media market in US) hasn't hosted PJ since 1998 (in town) and 2000 (an hour away).
Add Vegas and AZ and this geographically becomes as much of an West Coast tour as any East Coast tour that covers that much space...
The Fresno (55th largest media market) addition to the tour is curious...I am interested in seeing if there proves to be anything "unique" about the stop....
I have always found that this media market list is illuminating when I wonder why artists go to certain cities. As a West Coast guy I have been stunned to see Sacramento ahead of Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, etc.
By the way, I am sympathetic to those folks who have gone far too long without a "hometurf" show by PJ. I feel lucky to have the opportunity to see them in my hometown this time around...
Even though I’m very grumpy, it’s important to me to be happy for all the fans that get shows. And to JVs point, this is basically the 2020 tour. But “someone” in management must have known that even in 2020 the msg prices on stub hub were near a grand? Money is a great indication of imbalance with the gig a ton tour. As much as Ed likes to joke they were going to gig a ton, they should have known that their tour routing created a huge imbalance, and the one fix? Add five dates to an already saturated Cali tour, counting 2021? And maybe another for encore 2022? Is this a band in touch with their fans?
I get that there’s 40 million in CA, but there are far more on the east coast. The DC to Boston corridor has over sixty million in a smaller area.
Bottom line, it’s brutal for us in the east, and I’m sure Texas and the south as well (and oz is way overdue for some shows!) , where logistically or financially traveling a week and dropping a grand for shows is not realistic. Those TM blue dots for every May date, I don’t think I ever saw one of those on a show for a concert near me, ever. Not once. But hey, enjoy it while it’s there Cali.
Brutal for you guys in the East? You do realize the band has played a total of 23 shows over the last 10 years between NY, MA, PA, NJ and MD alone. That hardly sounds like a coast that's been starving for shows.
I’ll trust your math but we are at 4 arena shows in ten years in NY, and if also counting Global Cit and all those Fenway horrors with no GA (sorry, MLB stadia and concert dynamics don’t mix well) is in no way comparable to the seven show run at one time in CA now which is creating a sea of blue dots on TM, which, I guess needs be said again, have never ever appeared for shows in NYC region. Nor Fenway either. So the market is clearly indicating an imbalance. And single shows like this years MSG shall also not be counted in that “23 of the future” bc chances at tix for that are a bit absurd for a NY show. I know you know simple counts can be significantly misleading.
There hasn't been an arena show in southern California since 2013. Not one.
Saying they are playing seven shows in CA is like saying they're playing seven shows in the northeast. The distance between the Bay Area cities and the SoCal cities is similar to the distance between Boston and Baltimore. If they played twice in Boston, twice in New York, twice in Philly and once in Baltimore, no one would bat an eye. With respect to demand, there is a degree of "artificial" (i.e., not local) demand for shows in the northeast because many fans have convinced themselves that shows at Madison Square Garden or in Philly are automatically special or better* than shows in other cities and will travel in numbers to those shows. You also can't pretend like these upcoming shows are happening in a normal environment. We are coming out of a two-year pandemic and a period of major social and economic disruption. Many, many people are still not back to "normal" activity.
*They aren't. I am from New York City. I also lived in Boston for six years. I now live in L.A. I've seen them more than 60 times in all of these places (eight times at MSG alone) and everywhere from Spokane to Wisconsin to Maryland. There have been great shows in the northeast, and there have been "ordinary" shows there. There have been great shows in CA (the four nights at the Gibson Amphitheatre come to mind) and ordinary ones.
Im in for Fresno GA.. regards to the fall shows, we may see just as many open seats and F2F not selling when the shows get closer, Im sure lots of tickets being held to keep demand high. CA shows are too close to play too many games, but we see it happening anyway. SD had nothing when the lottery was over and just a few premiums, now there are tickets all over the arena and not selling quickly - As for Sac and Fresno, ( I will be at both) could be special or could be meh.. well see but these where put up to fill empty holes in the calendar. This whole 2020 postponement has been a cluster from March 16 2020..
Looking for one GA - coming from the San Luis Obispo area on a tactical strike mission that evening after work. Why not do one more, right? To the George Costanza poster above... Let's get nuts!
Anybody have an extra? Think the odds are that more GAs will show up in the next few days/weeks?
Looking for one GA - coming from the San Luis Obispo area on a tactical strike mission that evening after work. Why not do one more, right? To the George Costanza poster above... Let's get nuts!
Anybody have an extra? Think the odds are that more GAs will show up in the next few days/weeks?
I think that there is a recurrent theme that California got too many shows. If you laid California over the East Coast it would take up NY, MA, CT, DE, DC, MD, VA, WV, NC, SC and portion of GA that would include Atlanta....There are 40 million people in CA. Playing Oakland and Sacramento is akin to playing NYC and Camden, NJ. LA and San Diego would be like playing Atlanta and Charlotte. Nobody would question those planning decisions. From a geographic standpoint, the planning makes sense-especially taking into account the long wait for any NoCal shows (9 years since they played the Bay Area). Sacramento (20th largest media market in US) hasn't hosted PJ since 1998 (in town) and 2000 (an hour away).
Add Vegas and AZ and this geographically becomes as much of an West Coast tour as any East Coast tour that covers that much space...
The Fresno (55th largest media market) addition to the tour is curious...I am interested in seeing if there proves to be anything "unique" about the stop....
I have always found that this media market list is illuminating when I wonder why artists go to certain cities. As a West Coast guy I have been stunned to see Sacramento ahead of Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, etc.
By the way, I am sympathetic to those folks who have gone far too long without a "hometurf" show by PJ. I feel lucky to have the opportunity to see them in my hometown this time around...
Even though I’m very grumpy, it’s important to me to be happy for all the fans that get shows. And to JVs point, this is basically the 2020 tour. But “someone” in management must have known that even in 2020 the msg prices on stub hub were near a grand? Money is a great indication of imbalance with the gig a ton tour. As much as Ed likes to joke they were going to gig a ton, they should have known that their tour routing created a huge imbalance, and the one fix? Add five dates to an already saturated Cali tour, counting 2021? And maybe another for encore 2022? Is this a band in touch with their fans?
I get that there’s 40 million in CA, but there are far more on the east coast. The DC to Boston corridor has over sixty million in a smaller area.
Bottom line, it’s brutal for us in the east, and I’m sure Texas and the south as well (and oz is way overdue for some shows!) , where logistically or financially traveling a week and dropping a grand for shows is not realistic. Those TM blue dots for every May date, I don’t think I ever saw one of those on a show for a concert near me, ever. Not once. But hey, enjoy it while it’s there Cali.
Brutal for you guys in the East? You do realize the band has played a total of 23 shows over the last 10 years between NY, MA, PA, NJ and MD alone. That hardly sounds like a coast that's been starving for shows.
I’ll trust your math but we are at 4 arena shows in ten years in NY, and if also counting Global Cit and all those Fenway horrors with no GA (sorry, MLB stadia and concert dynamics don’t mix well) is in no way comparable to the seven show run at one time in CA now which is creating a sea of blue dots on TM, which, I guess needs be said again, have never ever appeared for shows in NYC region. Nor Fenway either. So the market is clearly indicating an imbalance. And single shows like this years MSG shall also not be counted in that “23 of the future” bc chances at tix for that are a bit absurd for a NY show. I know you know simple counts can be significantly misleading.
There hasn't been an arena show in southern California since 2013. Not one.
Saying they are playing seven shows in CA is like saying they're playing seven shows in the northeast. The distance between the Bay Area cities and the SoCal cities is similar to the distance between Boston and Baltimore. If they played twice in Boston, twice in New York, twice in Philly and once in Baltimore, no one would bat an eye. With respect to demand, there is a degree of "artificial" (i.e., not local) demand for shows in the northeast because many fans have convinced themselves that shows at Madison Square Garden or in Philly are automatically special or better* than shows in other cities and will travel in numbers to those shows. You also can't pretend like these upcoming shows are happening in a normal environment. We are coming out of a two-year pandemic and a period of major social and economic disruption. Many, many people are still not back to "normal" activity.
*They aren't. I am from New York City. I also lived in Boston for six years. I now live in L.A. I've seen them more than 60 times in all of these places (eight times at MSG alone) and everywhere from Spokane to Wisconsin to Maryland. There have been great shows in the northeast, and there have been "ordinary" shows there. There have been great shows in CA (the four nights at the Gibson Amphitheatre come to mind) and ordinary ones.
I agree with your artificial demand point makes it worse (but the band has also said 20 years ago album sales are disproportionate around here even accounting for population density), but that only makes it worse for fans here, not better. The only year I can recall something similar to the blue dot bonanza so many fans are enjoying out west (which is phenomenal!) is 2013. Personally I was sol that year, went to one Brooklyn show, wasn’t into traveling for shows at all back then (stupid me). Since then, ten years counting 2022, it’s been a series of single and double shows in one or two cities (never above four per year IIRC), so since 2013, it’s been a brutal process to find tix.
They could have played a thousand shows in the east in the last decade. If every one is an immediate sellout and impossible to get via resale, that’s the point, not that from afar it looks like the band is matching fan demand. I’m the meantime, enjoy those blue dots, I don’t recall ever seeing so many options like that round here. But the Counting Crows are playing this year a lot round…
Best way to get to San Francisco the day after the Fresno show would be the Amtrak correct?
You would take Amtrak to Richmond, and then transfer to BART to get to SF, but that would be the best way IMO. I have taken Amtrak from Southern Illinois to Chicago, which takes around the same amount of time that it takes to get from Fresno to Richmond. We have enjoyed it.
Best way to get to San Francisco the day after the Fresno show would be the Amtrak correct?
You would take Amtrak to Richmond, and then transfer to BART to get to SF, but that would be the best way IMO. I have taken Amtrak from Southern Illinois to Chicago, which takes around the same amount of time that it takes to get from Fresno to Richmond. We have enjoyed it.
Thanks but I am unsure about that Richmond dropoff. There is an Amtrak Bus that takes you from Emeryville to San Francisco part of the fee with a transfer. It is $38 all in and likely I will book that today. Pretty excited to add San Francisco sightseeing to this trip now. Also I am unfamiliar with Amtrak and curious if these are reliable with no delays or do they tend to be delayed?
Best way to get to San Francisco the day after the Fresno show would be the Amtrak correct?
You afraid to drive in the states?
Nah I am afraid to pay the rental car rates at the moment.
You guys drive on the left side don't you??
Best I have found is $269 picked up at LAX May 15-21.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
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@mcgruff10 Actually only added 1 day to the whole trip so an easy decision!
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"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
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Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
Hamilton - '20, '22
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
That could be why they are playing so many California shows on this leg.
2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Saying they are playing seven shows in CA is like saying they're playing seven shows in the northeast. The distance between the Bay Area cities and the SoCal cities is similar to the distance between Boston and Baltimore. If they played twice in Boston, twice in New York, twice in Philly and once in Baltimore, no one would bat an eye. With respect to demand, there is a degree of "artificial" (i.e., not local) demand for shows in the northeast because many fans have convinced themselves that shows at Madison Square Garden or in Philly are automatically special or better* than shows in other cities and will travel in numbers to those shows. You also can't pretend like these upcoming shows are happening in a normal environment. We are coming out of a two-year pandemic and a period of major social and economic disruption. Many, many people are still not back to "normal" activity.
*They aren't. I am from New York City. I also lived in Boston for six years. I now live in L.A. I've seen them more than 60 times in all of these places (eight times at MSG alone) and everywhere from Spokane to Wisconsin to Maryland. There have been great shows in the northeast, and there have been "ordinary" shows there. There have been great shows in CA (the four nights at the Gibson Amphitheatre come to mind) and ordinary ones.
Anybody have an extra? Think the odds are that more GAs will show up in the next few days/weeks?
They could have played a thousand shows in the east in the last decade. If every one is an immediate sellout and impossible to get via resale, that’s the point, not that from afar it looks like the band is matching fan demand. I’m the meantime, enjoy those blue dots, I don’t recall ever seeing so many options like that round here. But the Counting Crows are playing this year a lot round…
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You guys drive on the left side don't you??
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore