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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 34,964
    mickeyrat said:
    theresa tam, canada's "dr fauci", said the exact same thing. 
    strange to believe coordinated messaging or your folks just followed our folks?

    the run on masks was immediate. by mid feb, none to be found anywhere.

    meanwhile, our stockpile had been sent to china as I recall. because it wasnt coming here, blah blah blah


    mistaken. not our stockpile per se but donations from US companies and charities..... in retrospect, a little shortsighted .....


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  • Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,045
    tish said:
    ^Better than mass hysteria saying the air is poisoned and we have no N95s available for the public for an airborne respiratory disease that causes heart attack, stroke, pneumonia, death etc...

    They eased us into it, in a similar way that Ed might let you get to know him as a person before revealing a superstar identity.


    Perhaps, but I think we should know the truth from the start.  
    Start meaning Spring of 2020? They've already told us the reason they didn't recommend masks initially was because there was a shortage and the front line workers didn't have enough at the time. 
    They fucked up huge. It was embarrassing for anyone that had any idea about PPE. 
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,150
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,006
    If the message had been masks help, but we need to save them for healthcare workers, does anyone believe the public would have heeded that request? Hell no. I hate that we were lied to but just imagine the panic buying, or attempting to buy masks and then the ensuing freaking out about not being able to find them. Pure chaos. Remember how people panic bought TP? 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,711
    If the message had been masks help, but we need to save them for healthcare workers, does anyone believe the public would have heeded that request? Hell no. I hate that we were lied to but just imagine the panic buying, or attempting to buy masks and then the ensuing freaking out about not being able to find them. Pure chaos. Remember how people panic bought TP? 
    this is why, if it was a lie, it doesn't bother me. as much as I hate that our society has to play by the rules of the stupidest, selfish people, I completely understood why they lied. because, as the toilet paper fiasco of 2020 showed us, a global health crisis doesn't bring out the kumbaya in many people. 
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  • FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,711
    FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
    didn't we all rake dr birx over the coals for what you are seemingly defending fauci for possibly doing?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 34,964
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,711
    i'm getting a bit tired of this overdramatic "let's compare the sacrifice of going to war with something in everyday life". it's akin to my parents telling me to stuff myself at dinner because there are kids starving in africa. is it true? yes, but one has zero to do with the other, and that action has zero effect of change on the other. sacrificing in combat to a tangible foe is quite different than what you perceive as an minor inconvenience in your daily life. there's examples of people not "sacrificing" in daily life all over the place; not holding open doors, not letting an older person go ahead of you in line, cutting someone off in traffic. people in the US have been beaten over the head with "individual freedom" their entire lives. now we suddenly expect everyone to fall in line. it just wasn't ever going to happen. expecting to is and was naive. (and it's not just the US, there's anti maskers all over)

    if someone doesn't believe a mask works, partly due to the fact that the messaging was flawed from the start, they aren't going to see it as a viable sacrifice they need to make. do I? yes. but a lot don't. 

    if we're going to compare everything in life to the sacrifice made by veterans, we're in for an unattainable measuring stick at life. 
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  • FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
    didn't we all rake dr birx over the coals for what you are seemingly defending fauci for possibly doing?
    Think about it though. How many VPs stand up and publicly contradict the CEO? Or quit on principle, particularly when it’s not the shareholders who are losing?

    Are people more outraged today over Dr. Ouchie than POOTWH? Two years on? Is there no benefit of hind sight and realization that it was a major clusterfuck because of who inhabited the Oval Office? Who here wiped down their groceries? Surfaces? Guess what? That wasn’t necessary either as later understanding provided. The POOTWH Boor glowered and stared at every press conference and regularly interrupted speakers who were trying to explain things but Dr. Ouchie got it wrong on masks in the initial months of the pandemic. And that’s what folks are mad about. See? ‘Murica is so fucked.

    Any suggestions on who should replace Dr. Ouchie? And what was the Shrub Administration really well known for? As a comparison?
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,150
    FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
    This scenario would lesson his credibility more than the two I proposed, imo. If he was ignoring the facts in an attempt to please trump then I’d say someone with a spine would be a good replacement. I expect a little more integrity coming from his position, if this was the case.
  • FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
    This scenario would lesson his credibility more than the two I proposed, imo. If he was ignoring the facts in an attempt to please trump then I’d say someone with a spine would be a good replacement. I expect a little more integrity coming from his position, if this was the case.
    Was there anyone with a spine in the POOTWH Administration? Hell, the repub party certainly doesn’t have a spine. All in all, in the totality of Dr. Ouchie’s service during the pandemic, is it fair, to be faaaaaaaaair, to judge him on one statement during the time and in the context of what we know now about the virusssss and the POOTWH Administration? Remember, this was a POTUS and an Administration that prided itself on its narcissism and turning conventional wisdom  upside down before throwing it out the window, spitting on it and stomping on it, before taking a shit on it and lighting it on fire.

    Or is it as simple as Dr. Ouchie owns the cons and POOTWH’ers?
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,150
    edited January 2022
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
    This scenario would lesson his credibility more than the two I proposed, imo. If he was ignoring the facts in an attempt to please trump then I’d say someone with a spine would be a good replacement. I expect a little more integrity coming from his position, if this was the case.
    Was there anyone with a spine in the POOTWH Administration? Hell, the repub party certainly doesn’t have a spine. All in all, in the totality of Dr. Ouchie’s service during the pandemic, is it fair, to be faaaaaaaaair, to judge him on one statement during the time and in the context of what we know now about the virusssss and the POOTWH Administration? Remember, this was a POTUS and an Administration that prided itself on its narcissism and turning conventional wisdom  upside down before throwing it out the window, spitting on it and stomping on it, before taking a shit on it and lighting it on fire.

    Or is it as simple as Dr. Ouchie owns the cons and POOTWH’ers?
    I expect very little from any politician, you should know that. I place more importance on those whose position doesn’t aim to appeal to only a portion of the population.
    Post edited by FiveBelow on
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,502
    The politicalization of this leads to dumbasses trying to be viral.....


  • FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
    This scenario would lesson his credibility more than the two I proposed, imo. If he was ignoring the facts in an attempt to please trump then I’d say someone with a spine would be a good replacement. I expect a little more integrity coming from his position, if this was the case.
    Was there anyone with a spine in the POOTWH Administration? Hell, the repub party certainly doesn’t have a spine. All in all, in the totality of Dr. Ouchie’s service during the pandemic, is it fair, to be faaaaaaaaair, to judge him on one statement during the time and in the context of what we know now about the virusssss and the POOTWH Administration? Remember, this was a POTUS and an Administration that prided itself on its narcissism and turning conventional wisdom  upside down before throwing it out the window, spitting on it and stomping on it, before taking a shit on it and lighting it on fire.

    Or is it as simple as Dr. Ouchie owns the cons and POOTWH’ers?
    I expect very little from any politician, you should know that. I place more importance on those whose position doesn’t aim to appeal to only a portion of the population.
    I’m not sure you understand executive branch executive functioning nor the difference between black and white and shades of gray.

    Who hired Dr. Ouchie to serve in the capacity that he did for POOTWH? Why aren’t you blaming them for their obviously poor hiring decision?
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,150
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
    This scenario would lesson his credibility more than the two I proposed, imo. If he was ignoring the facts in an attempt to please trump then I’d say someone with a spine would be a good replacement. I expect a little more integrity coming from his position, if this was the case.
    Was there anyone with a spine in the POOTWH Administration? Hell, the repub party certainly doesn’t have a spine. All in all, in the totality of Dr. Ouchie’s service during the pandemic, is it fair, to be faaaaaaaaair, to judge him on one statement during the time and in the context of what we know now about the virusssss and the POOTWH Administration? Remember, this was a POTUS and an Administration that prided itself on its narcissism and turning conventional wisdom  upside down before throwing it out the window, spitting on it and stomping on it, before taking a shit on it and lighting it on fire.

    Or is it as simple as Dr. Ouchie owns the cons and POOTWH’ers?
    I expect very little from any politician, you should know that. I place more importance on those whose position doesn’t aim to appeal to only a portion of the population.
    I’m not sure you understand executive branch executive functioning nor the difference between black and white and shades of gray.

    Who hired Dr. Ouchie to serve in the capacity that he did for POOTWH? Why aren’t you blaming them for their obviously poor hiring decision?
    I never said he was a poor decision or has done a bad job. The fact is he made a statement and it backfired, even after he changed his tune. Once the anti-mask crowd adopted it, the damage was done. If you don’t think it mattered or played a role, that’s fine, but there is this groovy new social media fad that is rotting peoples minds and it seems things travel very fast on it. Oh, and apparently everything you see on there is true! 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    With everything that has happened since this pandemic began what a stupid thing to focus on.

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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,081
    The politicalization of this leads to dumbasses trying to be viral.....


    Basically, this illustrates a larger point beyond Covid and politics etc.
    Social media and the need for attention by so many on it is destroying our society.
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  • FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Real evil intent. I know, its hard.

    A video circulating on social media shows Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.” Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings nor the updated guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    A post made on Oct. 2 featuring this old video is visible  here  . 

    In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible  youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI  (see 30-second mark).   

    The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

    Fact check: Outdated video of Fauci saying “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”  | Reuters

    Fact check: Missing context in claim about mask emails, Fauci (usatoday.com)

    I don’t know about evil intent. Just a consequential statement from someone who should have known better. Or was there a smoking gun study that was conducted between 3/8/20 and 4/3/20 that led to a complete 180 in his understanding of the effectiveness of masks? If the goal was to save supply for front line workers then maybe he should of just said it, trying to back track his statement with that after the fact is chicken shit. That or he truly learned more in those 4 weeks than he had in his previous half century. Which seems more plausible?
    Or maybe he wanted to be consistent with Administration messaging and not contradict the Orange Menace, having realized adults needed to stick around and try to prevent even more damage by a clueless POTUS who admitted, on the record and on tape, that he knew how deadly and contagious the virus was but consistently and repeatedly lied to the American public, with far more impactful and deadly outcomes?

    Almost 2 years on, who should replace Dr. Ouchie? 
    This scenario would lesson his credibility more than the two I proposed, imo. If he was ignoring the facts in an attempt to please trump then I’d say someone with a spine would be a good replacement. I expect a little more integrity coming from his position, if this was the case.
    Was there anyone with a spine in the POOTWH Administration? Hell, the repub party certainly doesn’t have a spine. All in all, in the totality of Dr. Ouchie’s service during the pandemic, is it fair, to be faaaaaaaaair, to judge him on one statement during the time and in the context of what we know now about the virusssss and the POOTWH Administration? Remember, this was a POTUS and an Administration that prided itself on its narcissism and turning conventional wisdom  upside down before throwing it out the window, spitting on it and stomping on it, before taking a shit on it and lighting it on fire.

    Or is it as simple as Dr. Ouchie owns the cons and POOTWH’ers?
    I expect very little from any politician, you should know that. I place more importance on those whose position doesn’t aim to appeal to only a portion of the population.
    I’m not sure you understand executive branch executive functioning nor the difference between black and white and shades of gray.

    Who hired Dr. Ouchie to serve in the capacity that he did for POOTWH? Why aren’t you blaming them for their obviously poor hiring decision?
    I never said he was a poor decision or has done a bad job. The fact is he made a statement and it backfired, even after he changed his tune. Once the anti-mask crowd adopted it, the damage was done. If you don’t think it mattered or played a role, that’s fine, but there is this groovy new social media fad that is rotting peoples minds and it seems things travel very fast on it. Oh, and apparently everything you see on there is true! 
    So the real issue is the sewer of social media and the dupes who rely on it rather than Dr. Ouchie’s misstatements about face diapers? Thanks for the clarification.

    I’d argue it’s the lack of critical thinking skills and CRT that’s destroying this country.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,269
    dignin said:
    With everything that has happened since this pandemic began what a stupid thing to focus on.

    yup
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,045
    If the message had been masks help, but we need to save them for healthcare workers, does anyone believe the public would have heeded that request? Hell no. I hate that we were lied to but just imagine the panic buying, or attempting to buy masks and then the ensuing freaking out about not being able to find them. Pure chaos. Remember how people panic bought TP? 
    this is why, if it was a lie, it doesn't bother me. as much as I hate that our society has to play by the rules of the stupidest, selfish people, I completely understood why they lied. because, as the toilet paper fiasco of 2020 showed us, a global health crisis doesn't bring out the kumbaya in many people. 
    It bothers me greatly.  Give us the truth, we can handle the truth.  Doing this has compromised everything they have said and done since making it a lot worse.  

    You can control that very differently....you don;t allow the N95's into the marketplace...which is what they did anyhow.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,269
    If the message had been masks help, but we need to save them for healthcare workers, does anyone believe the public would have heeded that request? Hell no. I hate that we were lied to but just imagine the panic buying, or attempting to buy masks and then the ensuing freaking out about not being able to find them. Pure chaos. Remember how people panic bought TP? 
    this is why, if it was a lie, it doesn't bother me. as much as I hate that our society has to play by the rules of the stupidest, selfish people, I completely understood why they lied. because, as the toilet paper fiasco of 2020 showed us, a global health crisis doesn't bring out the kumbaya in many people. 
    It bothers me greatly.  Give us the truth, we can handle the truth.  Doing this has compromised everything they have said and done since making it a lot worse.  

    You can control that very differently....you don;t allow the N95's into the marketplace...which is what they did anyhow.
    We're going on two years of people insisting this virus is no worse than the flu... no, people can't handle the truth. 
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,597
    Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,873
    nicknyr15 said:
    Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 
    And what did Fauci lie about?

    People definitely can't handle the truth. They take the truth and twist it in to taking animal parasite meds and drinking their own urine.
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    Biden to give away 400 million N95 masks starting next week
    By ZEKE MILLER
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration will begin making 400 million N95 masks available for free to Americans starting next week, now that federal officials are emphasizing their better protection against the omicron variant of COVID-19 over cloth face coverings.

    The White House announced Wednesday that the masks will come from the government's Strategic National Stockpile, which has more than 750 million of the highly protective masks on hand. The masks will be available for pickup at pharmacies and community health centers across the country. They will begin shipping this week for distribution starting late next week, the White House said.

    This will be the largest distribution of free masks by the federal government to the public since the COVID-19 pandemic began. In early 2020, then-President Donald Trump's administration considered and then shelved plans to send masks to all American at their homes. President Joe Biden embraced the initiative after facing mounting criticism this month over the inaccessibility — both in supply and cost — of N95 masks as the highly transmissible omicron variant swept across the country.

    After facing similar criticism over a winter shortage of COVID-19 at-home test kits, Biden this week launched a website for Americans to order four rapid tests to be shipped to their homes for free, with the first tests to ship later this month.


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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 34,964
    ummmmm.....

    what in the actual fuck.

    Arkansas inmates sue after unknowingly being treated for covid with ivermectin: ‘They must be held accountable’

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/19/arkansas-inmates-sue-jail-doctor-ivermectin-covid/



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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,873
    mickeyrat said:
    ummmmm.....

    what in the actual fuck.

    Arkansas inmates sue after unknowingly being treated for covid with ivermectin: ‘They must be held accountable’

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/19/arkansas-inmates-sue-jail-doctor-ivermectin-covid/



    Not a bad way to become a millionaire
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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