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none of that is what you initially said.HughFreakingDillon said:JB16057 said:"People vaccinated for COVID-19 “do not spread the disease to anyone else." - Joe Biden"During the July 21 event in Cincinnati, Biden said, "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." - Joe Bidenhere's another news story for the above quote, https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-spread-misinformation-covid-vaccines-1612181"Pfizer Says COVID-19 Vaccine Shows '100% Efficacy' In Adolescents""Covid-19: Pfizer reports 100% vaccine efficacy in children aged 12 to 15""Bharat Biotech’s Covid-19 vaccine shows 100% efficacy in study"Biden told us that those that take the vaccine do not spread the disease to anyone else. He also said you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.Please tell me how this is not someone claiming the vaccine has 100% efficacy.
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none of that is what you initially said.HughFreakingDillon said:JB16057 said:"People vaccinated for COVID-19 “do not spread the disease to anyone else." - Joe Biden"During the July 21 event in Cincinnati, Biden said, "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." - Joe Bidenhere's another news story for the above quote, https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-spread-misinformation-covid-vaccines-1612181"Pfizer Says COVID-19 Vaccine Shows '100% Efficacy' In Adolescents""Covid-19: Pfizer reports 100% vaccine efficacy in children aged 12 to 15""Bharat Biotech’s Covid-19 vaccine shows 100% efficacy in study"Biden told us that those that take the vaccine do not spread the disease to anyone else. He also said you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.Please tell me how this is not someone claiming the vaccine has 100% efficacy.
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JB16057 said:"People vaccinated for COVID-19 “do not spread the disease to anyone else." - Joe Biden"During the July 21 event in Cincinnati, Biden said, "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." - Joe Bidenhere's another news story for the above quote, https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-spread-misinformation-covid-vaccines-1612181"Pfizer Says COVID-19 Vaccine Shows '100% Efficacy' In Adolescents""Covid-19: Pfizer reports 100% vaccine efficacy in children aged 12 to 15""Bharat Biotech’s Covid-19 vaccine shows 100% efficacy in study"Do you realize you are posting either outdated information or preliminary results from trials? Do you realize initial comments on vaccine efficacy were based on shortened time windows, like three to six months, because they were rushing the vaccine development?
the bottom line per the CDC, is you are twenty times more likely to die or be hospitalized if you are not vaccinated. How is that not the most relevant fact regarding vaccine efficacy, especially since you quoted the CDC earlier ?0 -
Lerxst1992 said:JB16057 said:"People vaccinated for COVID-19 “do not spread the disease to anyone else." - Joe Biden"During the July 21 event in Cincinnati, Biden said, "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." - Joe Bidenhere's another news story for the above quote, https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-spread-misinformation-covid-vaccines-1612181"Pfizer Says COVID-19 Vaccine Shows '100% Efficacy' In Adolescents""Covid-19: Pfizer reports 100% vaccine efficacy in children aged 12 to 15""Bharat Biotech’s Covid-19 vaccine shows 100% efficacy in study"Do you realize you are posting either outdated information or preliminary results from trials? Do you realize initial comments on vaccine efficacy were based on shortened time windows, like three to six months, because they were rushing the vaccine development?
the bottom line per the CDC, is you are twenty times more likely to die or be hospitalized if you are not vaccinated. How is that not the most relevant fact regarding vaccine efficacy, especially since you quoted the CDC earlier ?I did not say these statements were facts right now. I am saying that at one time, we were told the vaccines 100% worked.
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** quote gone wrong. Did these news stories get Biden's quotes wrong or what exactly are you saying?mrussel1 said:JB16057 said:
none of that is what you initially said.HughFreakingDillon said:JB16057 said:"People vaccinated for COVID-19 “do not spread the disease to anyone else." - Joe Biden"During the July 21 event in Cincinnati, Biden said, "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." - Joe Bidenhere's another news story for the above quote, https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-spread-misinformation-covid-vaccines-1612181"Pfizer Says COVID-19 Vaccine Shows '100% Efficacy' In Adolescents""Covid-19: Pfizer reports 100% vaccine efficacy in children aged 12 to 15""Bharat Biotech’s Covid-19 vaccine shows 100% efficacy in study"Biden told us that those that take the vaccine do not spread the disease to anyone else. He also said you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.Please tell me how this is not someone claiming the vaccine has 100% efficacy.
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brianlux said:JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
The vaccine has never been declared 100% effective, even with the original variant for which it was designed. But you're the one that just made the statement. So let's compare apples to apples. For someone that has been vaccinated, boosted and yet get Omicron, do you think their forward immunity is worse than said person who had Covid twice?JB16057 said:
If someone had the vaccine and gets sick with covid, that doesn't say a lot for the efficacy of the vaccine, does it?mrussel1 said:
What would you be willing to bet?JB16057 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.JB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAEWhen asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”moron
Do you believe in science? https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/592457-the-cdc-is-finally-recognizing-natural-immunity-legislators-should-follow"The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19. "Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
And if someone had COVID twice, that doesn't say a lot for the natural immunity they received from the first bout, does it?The vaccine WAS declared 100% effective.As for your other question, I am not a doctor so I don't know.HughFreakingDillon said:
prove that. I never once saw anywhere it said 100%. I saw upwards of 95% against the original strain. but not 100.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
The vaccine has never been declared 100% effective, even with the original variant for which it was designed. But you're the one that just made the statement. So let's compare apples to apples. For someone that has been vaccinated, boosted and yet get Omicron, do you think their forward immunity is worse than said person who had Covid twice?JB16057 said:
If someone had the vaccine and gets sick with covid, that doesn't say a lot for the efficacy of the vaccine, does it?mrussel1 said:
What would you be willing to bet?JB16057 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.JB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAEWhen asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”moron
Do you believe in science? https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/592457-the-cdc-is-finally-recognizing-natural-immunity-legislators-should-follow"The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19. "Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
And if someone had COVID twice, that doesn't say a lot for the natural immunity they received from the first bout, does it?The vaccine WAS declared 100% effective.As for your other question, I am not a doctor so I don't know.
Yeah, I'd like to see that proven (it won't be). JB, that limb your out on is a twig.I provided information. This twig is still holding me up.
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What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?0 -
I think they're arguing that we should have rode herd. And as such, we shouldn't have had any of our freedumbs curtailed and been "oppressed." Do I have it right OP?mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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The point is someone said something wrong once. Someone made a mistake. So therefore you can no longer trust anything you hear ever again. Ignore 99% of the evidence and concensus because someone fucked up somewhere.mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?
I demand perfection 100% of the time. If not, burn it all down.0 -
I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?
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It was more than once Biden spouted misinformation. I never said anything like what you were saying. You all are reading way too far into this. I was told to prove my statement and I did. Now you are all making up other points and taking things to extremes which was not my point.dignin said:
The point is someone said something wrong once. Someone made a mistake. So therefore you can no longer trust anything you hear ever again. Ignore 99% of the evidence and concensus because someone fucked up somewhere.mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?
I demand perfection 100% of the time. If not, burn it all down.
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That wasn't the main point you were making today, was it? That came out later after you made some other statements. I'm trying to understand your main point related to vaccines. No one here is saying the vaccine is or ever was 100% effective.JB16057 said:
I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?0 -
Halifax2TheMax said:
I think they're arguing that we should have rode herd. And as such, we shouldn't have had any of our freedumbs curtailed and been "oppressed." Do I have it right OP?mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?I never said that. I was asked to provide proof of what I said and I did. It really is that simple.Why can't anyone just say, OK, you are right.... Biden did tell us these things and we later found it wasn't true. That is science. End of story. Instead some of you are putting extreme words into my mouth like I have an agenda. I'm only providing proof to back up what I said because I was asked to.
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No, it wasn't "Biden told us these things and we later found out it wasn't true". The published tests before the rollout (back in Feb) told us that it wasn't 100%. So Biden's statement didn't ring any bells here because I can guarantee the majority of us knew in teh rollout phase that it wasn't 100%.JB16057 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think they're arguing that we should have rode herd. And as such, we shouldn't have had any of our freedumbs curtailed and been "oppressed." Do I have it right OP?mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?I never said that. I was asked to provide proof of what I said and I did. It really is that simple.Why can't anyone just say, OK, you are right.... Biden did tell us these things and we later found it wasn't true. That is science. End of story. Instead some of you are putting extreme words into my mouth like I have an agenda. I'm only providing proof to back up what I said because I was asked to.0 -
mrussel1 said:
That wasn't the main point you were making today, was it? That came out later after you made some other statements. I'm trying to understand your main point related to vaccines. No one here is saying the vaccine is or ever was 100% effective.JB16057 said:
I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?My original point was that natural immunity counts for something.Now you're trying to understand my main point? You were the one that wanted to argue with me in regards to natural immunity being better than the vaccines which has been studied or proven. We are still in the middle of this pandemic so those studies may change when they look at other variants.
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JB16057 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think they're arguing that we should have rode herd. And as such, we shouldn't have had any of our freedumbs curtailed and been "oppressed." Do I have it right OP?mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?I never said that. I was asked to provide proof of what I said and I did. It really is that simple.Why can't anyone just say, OK, you are right.... Biden did tell us these things and we later found it wasn't true. That is science. End of story. Instead some of you are putting extreme words into my mouth like I have an agenda. I'm only providing proof to back up what I said because I was asked to.
Biden never claimed the vaccine was 100% effective. Those words never came out of his mouth.
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mrussel1 said:
No, it wasn't "Biden told us these things and we later found out it wasn't true". The published tests before the rollout (back in Feb) told us that it wasn't 100%. So Biden's statement didn't ring any bells here because I can guarantee the majority of us knew in teh rollout phase that it wasn't 100%.JB16057 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think they're arguing that we should have rode herd. And as such, we shouldn't have had any of our freedumbs curtailed and been "oppressed." Do I have it right OP?mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?I never said that. I was asked to provide proof of what I said and I did. It really is that simple.Why can't anyone just say, OK, you are right.... Biden did tell us these things and we later found it wasn't true. That is science. End of story. Instead some of you are putting extreme words into my mouth like I have an agenda. I'm only providing proof to back up what I said because I was asked to.So we shouldn't believe what Biden says?
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Those words did not come out of his mouth but he did say you won't get sick and you won't spread covid. If that isn't 100% protection, I don't know what is.Merkin Baller said:JB16057 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think they're arguing that we should have rode herd. And as such, we shouldn't have had any of our freedumbs curtailed and been "oppressed." Do I have it right OP?mrussel1 said:Teh quote feature is not working properly.
What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole. No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults. Never was that published. The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%. Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%. At best, it was in the low 90s. The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months.
But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points. So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT? Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective? Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before? Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%? What is your point this late in the pandemic?I never said that. I was asked to provide proof of what I said and I did. It really is that simple.Why can't anyone just say, OK, you are right.... Biden did tell us these things and we later found it wasn't true. That is science. End of story. Instead some of you are putting extreme words into my mouth like I have an agenda. I'm only providing proof to back up what I said because I was asked to.
Biden never claimed the vaccine was 100% effective. Those words never came out of his mouth.
It really is that simple.
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