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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    Can anyone spot the common theme between what we're seeing here and putin on the ritz's Ukraine invasion? This country is fucked, Way too far gone to recover from the stupidity.

    This hospital tried to save a man with covid. Then the threats started.

    The group that targeted the hospital calls itself the Truth Seekers 88. Mike Penny, a leader, is based in North Carolina and regularly posts videos and hosts chats on platforms such as Facebook and Telegram. The lengthy videos offer a stream of QAnon conspiracy theories claiming that former president Donald Trump will save the country from the grip of a child-trafficking cabal and that his return to power is all part of a plan.

    “My spirit is led by God, obviously, and that’s how the group got founded,” said Penny, 53. “Q has led a lot of people to God in this difficult time.”

    During the pandemic, the conspiracy theories embraced by groups such as Penny’s have evolved to incorporate not just anti-vaccine disinformation but also falsehoods about doctors and the medical establishment. Penny and his group refer to remdesivir, a medication approved by the Food and Drug Administration, as the “r-devil” drug and claim, without evidence, that it kills covid patients — while embracing ivermectin as a lifesaving treatment.

    In an interview with The Post, Penny likened medical professionals to Nazi war criminals, saying they would face a new version of the Nuremberg trials for their actions during the pandemic.

    In New Hampshire, a hospital faced threats over its treatment of a covid patient - The Washington Post

    Another prime example of just how stupid these Q conspiracy theory nut jobs are.

    He likened "medical professionals to nazi war criminals" but has 88 in the name of his little club.
    Exactly.  88=HH. We see them for who they are. 
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,133
    Can anyone spot the common theme between what we're seeing here and putin on the ritz's Ukraine invasion? This country is fucked, Way too far gone to recover from the stupidity.

    This hospital tried to save a man with covid. Then the threats started.

    The group that targeted the hospital calls itself the Truth Seekers 88. Mike Penny, a leader, is based in North Carolina and regularly posts videos and hosts chats on platforms such as Facebook and Telegram. The lengthy videos offer a stream of QAnon conspiracy theories claiming that former president Donald Trump will save the country from the grip of a child-trafficking cabal and that his return to power is all part of a plan.

    “My spirit is led by God, obviously, and that’s how the group got founded,” said Penny, 53. “Q has led a lot of people to God in this difficult time.”

    During the pandemic, the conspiracy theories embraced by groups such as Penny’s have evolved to incorporate not just anti-vaccine disinformation but also falsehoods about doctors and the medical establishment. Penny and his group refer to remdesivir, a medication approved by the Food and Drug Administration, as the “r-devil” drug and claim, without evidence, that it kills covid patients — while embracing ivermectin as a lifesaving treatment.

    In an interview with The Post, Penny likened medical professionals to Nazi war criminals, saying they would face a new version of the Nuremberg trials for their actions during the pandemic.

    In New Hampshire, a hospital faced threats over its treatment of a covid patient - The Washington Post

    Another prime example of just how stupid these Q conspiracy theory nut jobs are.

    He likened "medical professionals to nazi war criminals" but has 88 in the name of his little club.
    Two endemics beautifully demonstrated this year - the first (arguably) created by human stupidity, and the second human stupidity itself.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,071
    PJNB said:
    So what is going on with the blue US states with restrictions going forward? Do states like NY and California have paths to dropping all of them by a certain date? In Canada most provinces have dates to lift all restrictions by the end of March and I am curious where some of you guys are at. 

    I'm in Oregon and the mask mandate will be dropped in about three weeks. It's been based on hospitalization numbers this whole time, which is why masks were dropped last summer when numbers were low.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Well here in the big apple the mandates are lifted and the trucks are still rolling to DC in the Peoples Convoy.

    Well that sucked.  Let's not do it again.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

  • mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    haha, what a leader. can't even get kids to listen to him. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,750
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.


  • what an asshole
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  • I just came across an instagrammer in my city that thinks the covid vaccine gives you AIDS. and that my mayor is going to prison for crimes against humanity. their page is just full of conspiracy memes. it's wild. 
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,886
    Wow, reading the account in mrussell;s post is one thing, seeing the video is another. Complete asshole.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
  • JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
    he basically shamed them. on stage. on video. in public. sure, freedom of choice "wear it if you want to be a suck, go ahead" is essentially what he said to them. 
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
    he basically shamed them. on stage. on video. in public. sure, freedom of choice "wear it if you want to be a suck, go ahead" is essentially what he said to them. 
    Yes, I said " He could've said what he said in a kinder way....". He did give them a choice but to say, "That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice." is disingenuous.



  • JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
    he basically shamed them. on stage. on video. in public. sure, freedom of choice "wear it if you want to be a suck, go ahead" is essentially what he said to them. 
    Yes, I said " He could've said what he said in a kinder way....". He did give them a choice but to say, "That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice." is disingenuous.



    maybe. I see it differently coming from the leader of a state. you can't say something is your choice and then follow it up with shaming people for making that choice. it's just going to embolden other assholes to do the same. 
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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Posts: 1,024
    The tone of voice he used was as bad as the words. He sounded like a bully.
  • exactly
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    The tone of voice he used was as bad as the words. He sounded like a bully.
    Or a parent lacking parenting skills.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
    Why is wearing a mask ridiculous? Deathsantis did call it ridiculous. Why?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    The tone of voice he used was as bad as the words. He sounded like a bully.
    A bully having a little tantrum. 

    Why would anyone want to defend him?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
    he basically shamed them. on stage. on video. in public. sure, freedom of choice "wear it if you want to be a suck, go ahead" is essentially what he said to them. 
    Yes, I said " He could've said what he said in a kinder way....". He did give them a choice but to say, "That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice." is disingenuous.



    He was a dick about it.  It's that simple.  Keep defending dickish behavior.  It's enjoyable to watch. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
    he basically shamed them. on stage. on video. in public. sure, freedom of choice "wear it if you want to be a suck, go ahead" is essentially what he said to them. 
    Asshole move from any “adult”. Ginormous asshole move from a “leader”. 

    I really wish we could still have playground justice when these fucking fake tough guys grow up 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
    he basically shamed them. on stage. on video. in public. sure, freedom of choice "wear it if you want to be a suck, go ahead" is essentially what he said to them. 
    Yes, I said " He could've said what he said in a kinder way....". He did give them a choice but to say, "That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice." is disingenuous.



    Man - this is a weird hill to die on. Do you have any kids? Let me come on over and act like that and see if you get pissed at me
    hippiemom = goodness
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ron Desantis chides students for wearing masks, asking them to take them off.  They don't.  That's hilarious considering he said he was about freedom and choice. 

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/03/02/desantis-chides-students-for-wearing-masks-at-his-tampa-news-conference/

    TAMPA — At a news conference Wednesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed irritation that a group of high school students standing behind him were wearing masks and urged them to remove the face coverings.

    Before taking the lectern at the University of South Florida, where he announced a $20 million state investment in cybersecurity workforce education, DeSantis asked why people wearing masks were standing behind him.

    Then he approached the students, who are studying cybersecurity in high school.

    “You don’t have to wear those masks,” DeSantis said. “Please take them off.”

    Some of the students laughed. DeSantis appeared to remain annoyed. “Honestly, this is not doing anything,” he said. “We got to stop with this COVID theater.” The students didn’t respond.

    How is Desantis not for freedom and choice? That's hilarious you left out the rest of the article which says:

    “So if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous,” the governor said before turning around and sighing.

    Four students took their masks off, but three left them on.

    DeSantis has previously said Florida is “the freest state in these United States and individuals should be left to decide for themselves how to respond to COVID-19.

    DeSantis spokesperson Christina Pushaw said the governor wanted “to make sure everyone is aware of the facts and data now, so they can feel free and comfortable without a mask.”

    “As the governor said, “You can wear them if you want” but there’s “no evidence” they make any difference,” she said in an email. “That has been clear for a long time, and the data informed our state’s official guidance. Following Florida, the CDC has even stopped recommending mask wearing for most Americans.”

    Did you read what he said? "if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous", which is absolutely true. He gave them a choice to wear the mask or not. 4 of the 7 kids (a majority) removed their masks. He could've said what he said in a kinder way but he is as fed up with COVID bullshit and lies as the rest of America. Many Democratic leaders have proven they feel the same way when they told their communities to mask up and then they went out without masks and got caught. It was theater.

    I have no problem if someone still wants to wear a mask. I personally won't make fun of them and I think it's pathetic for those who will make fun of them. If wearing a mask makes you feel safer, that is a personal choice that I respect even though most masks are not sufficient.
    he basically shamed them. on stage. on video. in public. sure, freedom of choice "wear it if you want to be a suck, go ahead" is essentially what he said to them. 
    Asshole move from any “adult”. Ginormous asshole move from a “leader”. 

    I really wish we could still have playground justice when these fucking fake tough guys grow up 
    I agree with you.  In passing this doesn't move the needle but it's a leader and he's talking to children so it does get a different set of rules.

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    Imagine Deathsantis speaking to the press as POTUS as they press him on some issue. X10.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Imagine Deathsantis speaking to the press as POTUS as they press him on some issue. X10.
    We would be complaining the same way that Trump addressed the press.  It wasn't very leaderlike.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    Imagine Deathsantis speaking to the press as POTUS as they press him on some issue. X10.
    We would be complaining the same way that Trump addressed the press.  It wasn't very leaderlike.
    All those razzle-dazzle hand motions would hypnotize you into sending money for merch.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Imagine Deathsantis speaking to the press as POTUS as they press him on some issue. X10.
    We would be complaining the same way that Trump addressed the press.  It wasn't very leaderlike.
    All those razzle-dazzle hand motions would hypnotize you into sending money for merch.
    I thought those were Jazz Hands?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    Imagine Deathsantis speaking to the press as POTUS as they press him on some issue. X10.
    We would be complaining the same way that Trump addressed the press.  It wasn't very leaderlike.
    All those razzle-dazzle hand motions would hypnotize you into sending money for merch.
    I thought those were Jazz Hands?
    Razzle-dazzle jazz hands, yes.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Imagine Deathsantis speaking to the press as POTUS as they press him on some issue. X10.
    We would be complaining the same way that Trump addressed the press.  It wasn't very leaderlike.
    All those razzle-dazzle hand motions would hypnotize you into sending money for merch.
    I thought those were Jazz Hands?
    Razzle-dazzle jazz hands, yes.
    I've never seen the full term used...  That would be amazin!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    Amazin razzle dazzle jazz hands?
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