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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited February 2022
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Teh quote feature is not working properly.  

    What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole.  No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults.  Never was that published.  The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc.  This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%.  Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%.  At best, it was in the low 90s.  The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months. 

    But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points.  So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT?  Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective?  Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before?  Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%?  What is your point this late in the pandemic?
    I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.
    That wasn't the main point you were making today, was it?  That came out later after you made some other statements.  I'm trying to understand your main point related to vaccines.  No one here is saying the vaccine is or ever was 100% effective.  
    My original point was that natural immunity counts for something.

    Now you're trying to understand my main point? You were the one that wanted to argue with me in regards to natural immunity being better than the vaccines which has been studied or proven. We are still in the middle of this pandemic so those studies may change when they look at other variants.

    You said natural immunity was BETTER.  You didn't say it counted for something.  I wouldn't argue with you had you said that.  

    One of the main problems with natural immunity particularly for the military and when the OSHA requirement was taking place, is how do you prove it?  Unless you went to a doctor who tested you and reported the result, how does one prove they had natural immunity?  People would have to take antibody tests. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,027
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Teh quote feature is not working properly.  

    What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole.  No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults.  Never was that published.  The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc.  This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%.  Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%.  At best, it was in the low 90s.  The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months. 

    But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points.  So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT?  Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective?  Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before?  Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%?  What is your point this late in the pandemic?
    I think they're arguing that we should have rode herd. And as such, we shouldn't have had any of our freedumbs curtailed and been "oppressed." Do I have it right OP?
    I never said that. I was asked to provide proof of what I said and I did. It really is that simple.

    Why can't anyone just say, OK, you are right.... Biden did tell us these things and we later found it wasn't true. That is science. End of story. Instead some of you are putting extreme words into my mouth like I have an agenda. I'm only providing proof to back up what I said because I was asked to.

    Okay, for this really dumb American that's trying to understand your point, from The Hill quote regarding "surviving" covid via natural immunity forward, what is the point that you're trying to make by quoting The Hill article? I'm really slooooooooow and have reading comprehension issues. Remember, "surviving" is the operative word. Again, what's your broader point that you're trying to make?
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAE

    When asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”

    moron


    "The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19.  "

    Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.
    Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
    I sure wish I could catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) so that I'm less likely to catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) in the future.

    Because that makes sense.


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Teh quote feature is not working properly.  

    What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole.  No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults.  Never was that published.  The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc.  This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%.  Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%.  At best, it was in the low 90s.  The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months. 

    But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points.  So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT?  Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective?  Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before?  Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%?  What is your point this late in the pandemic?
    I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.
    it was obvious I, and others, were asking you to prove your claim from a scientific standpoint, not a political one. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAE

    When asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”

    moron


    "The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19.  "

    Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.
    Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
    I sure wish I could catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) so that I'm less likely to catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) in the future.

    Because that makes sense.


    this is just it. the way he's wording it, is that natural immunity PRE INFECTION is better than the vaccines. which is obviously false. 
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Teh quote feature is not working properly.  

    What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole.  No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults.  Never was that published.  The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc.  This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%.  Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%.  At best, it was in the low 90s.  The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months. 

    But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points.  So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT?  Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective?  Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before?  Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%?  What is your point this late in the pandemic?
    I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.
    it was obvious I, and others, were asking you to prove your claim from a scientific standpoint, not a political one. 
    Bullshit. You are moving the goal posts. I never said scientific standpoint and neither did any one of you.

  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAE

    When asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”

    moron


    "The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19.  "

    Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.
    Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
    I sure wish I could catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) so that I'm less likely to catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) in the future.

    Because that makes sense.


    this is just it. the way he's wording it, is that natural immunity PRE INFECTION is better than the vaccines. which is obviously false. 
    And it's false by design. Some are here specifically to spread misinformation, others are here to make asinine statements to piss people off. In either case, there is nothing genuine about this form of 'debate'.
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Teh quote feature is not working properly.  

    What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole.  No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults.  Never was that published.  The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc.  This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%.  Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%.  At best, it was in the low 90s.  The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months. 

    But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points.  So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT?  Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective?  Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before?  Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%?  What is your point this late in the pandemic?
    I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.
    it was obvious I, and others, were asking you to prove your claim from a scientific standpoint, not a political one. 
    Bullshit. You are moving the goal posts. I never said scientific standpoint and neither did any one of you.

    Scientific or not. Joe Biden is the leader of this country and he was spreading misinformation. How many people believed him and went on living a little more free because they thought they were 100% protected? You can not tell me that no one believed what he said.

  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited February 2022
    I can't believe people are still arguing about the effectiveness of vaccines at this point. The states with the highest amounts of Covid deaths are all red states. Shockingly these are also states with mostly lower percentages of vaccinated people. It's not tough to understand. We're such a dumb country. 

    https://www.lx.com/coronavirus/which-states-saw-the-most-covid-deaths-in-2021-americas-least-vaccinated/46750/
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAE

    When asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”

    moron


    "The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19.  "

    Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.
    Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
    I sure wish I could catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) so that I'm less likely to catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) in the future.

    Because that makes sense.


    A majority of people will not have life long ramifications nor will they die. You are speaking about a minority and acting like it is the majority.

    I never said we shouldn't be taking the vaccine and only relying on natural immunity. Here is the question where the issue started, why should someone who has been infected twice with Covid take the vaccine? Their natural immunity surpasses what the vaccine can do for them IMO. We won't know the real facts behind all of this for years to come when every detail can be examined. I don't believe calling someone a moron is fair when they haven't taken the vaccine and have had Covid twice. That's where this started.

    How about I make things easier for everyone? Good bye

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Teh quote feature is not working properly.  

    What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole.  No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults.  Never was that published.  The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc.  This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%.  Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%.  At best, it was in the low 90s.  The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months. 

    But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points.  So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT?  Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective?  Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before?  Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%?  What is your point this late in the pandemic?
    I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.
    it was obvious I, and others, were asking you to prove your claim from a scientific standpoint, not a political one. 
    Bullshit. You are moving the goal posts. I never said scientific standpoint and neither did any one of you.

    it was assumed. why would I ask you to prove a politician said something misleading? shooting fish in a barrel. gimme a break. 
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  • mrussel1
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,153
    JB16057 said:
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAE

    When asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”

    moron


    "The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19.  "

    Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.
    Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
    I sure wish I could catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) so that I'm less likely to catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) in the future.

    Because that makes sense.


    A majority of people will not have life long ramifications nor will they die. You are speaking about a minority and acting like it is the majority.

    I never said we shouldn't be taking the vaccine and only relying on natural immunity. Here is the question where the issue started, why should someone who has been infected twice with Covid take the vaccine? Their natural immunity surpasses what the vaccine can do for them IMO. We won't know the real facts behind all of this for years to come when every detail can be examined. I don't believe calling someone a moron is fair when they haven't taken the vaccine and have had Covid twice. That's where this started.

    How about I make things easier for everyone? Good bye

    Doesn't matter what your opinion is. The studies show that you are wrong.


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  • dignin
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    JB16057 said:
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAE

    When asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”

    moron


    "The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19.  "

    Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.
    Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
    I sure wish I could catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) so that I'm less likely to catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) in the future.

    Because that makes sense.


    A majority of people will not have life long ramifications nor will they die. You are speaking about a minority and acting like it is the majority.

    I never said we shouldn't be taking the vaccine and only relying on natural immunity. Here is the question where the issue started, why should someone who has been infected twice with Covid take the vaccine? Their natural immunity surpasses what the vaccine can do for them IMO. We won't know the real facts behind all of this for years to come when every detail can be examined. I don't believe calling someone a moron is fair when they haven't taken the vaccine and have had Covid twice. That's where this started.

    How about I make things easier for everyone? Good bye

    But why not take the vaccine after infection? I've heard a lot of experts say that it will give you even better protection for longer.

    Where is the downside?
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,153
    dignin said:
    JB16057 said:
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAE

    When asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”

    moron


    "The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19.  "

    Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.
    Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
    I sure wish I could catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) so that I'm less likely to catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) in the future.

    Because that makes sense.


    A majority of people will not have life long ramifications nor will they die. You are speaking about a minority and acting like it is the majority.

    I never said we shouldn't be taking the vaccine and only relying on natural immunity. Here is the question where the issue started, why should someone who has been infected twice with Covid take the vaccine? Their natural immunity surpasses what the vaccine can do for them IMO. We won't know the real facts behind all of this for years to come when every detail can be examined. I don't believe calling someone a moron is fair when they haven't taken the vaccine and have had Covid twice. That's where this started.

    How about I make things easier for everyone? Good bye

    But why not take the vaccine after infection? I've heard a lot of experts say that it will give you even better protection for longer.

    Where is the downside?
    My neighbor had to be hospitalized a few days with covid.  They told him that he couldn't get the vaccine for a few months.  That has been six months or so ago so maybe they have modified that.
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    Gern Blansten said:
    dignin said:
    JB16057 said:
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/nurse-who-refused-vaccine-for-herself-and-her-kids-contracts-covid-for-a-second-time/?fbclid=IwAR0uDd7BbDhBGs6mPz8LGwjV_x9MqapipalstnGMgcgGkI23frWqVJAFxAE

    When asked if Camile had any regrets about not getting the vaccine after getting COVID twice and working with cancer patients, she said, “No. If I had omicron, as they say, I’m protected against Delta and COVID.”

    moron


    "The report finally acknowledges what many have suspected for a long time — that surviving COVID-19 provides excellent natural immunity not only repeat infection but also to hospitalization and death for the delta variant of COVID-19.  "

    Key word, "surviving." Too bad it didn't work for 890,000 'Muricans. Should have just rode herd.
    Natural immunity provided better protection than vaccines for the Delta variant. Some didn't get the chance to get the vaccine before getting sick. If someone has had covid twice, I would be willing to bet their immunity is better than many of the people that are only vaccinated.
    I sure wish I could catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) so that I'm less likely to catch this disease with a strong chance of life-long ramifications (including death) in the future.

    Because that makes sense.


    A majority of people will not have life long ramifications nor will they die. You are speaking about a minority and acting like it is the majority.

    I never said we shouldn't be taking the vaccine and only relying on natural immunity. Here is the question where the issue started, why should someone who has been infected twice with Covid take the vaccine? Their natural immunity surpasses what the vaccine can do for them IMO. We won't know the real facts behind all of this for years to come when every detail can be examined. I don't believe calling someone a moron is fair when they haven't taken the vaccine and have had Covid twice. That's where this started.

    How about I make things easier for everyone? Good bye

    But why not take the vaccine after infection? I've heard a lot of experts say that it will give you even better protection for longer.

    Where is the downside?
    My neighbor had to be hospitalized a few days with covid.  They told him that he couldn't get the vaccine for a few months.  That has been six months or so ago so maybe they have modified that.
    Depends on the situation and doctor I guess. The point is to get it after, whenever recommend.
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    My 4 year old has covid and as soon as the vaccine is available he will be getting the shot. Everything I have heard says it will offer him more protection, for the possible new variant.

    Cause never underestimate this virus.
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    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Teh quote feature is not working properly.  

    What I'm saying is that politicians bloviate and use hyperbole.  No published paper from the CDC or any of the manufacturers ever said the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing illness in adults.  Never was that published.  The people here get our information from the sources, not by watching politicians, CNN, Fox News, etc.  This is why everyone jumped on you when you said we were told they were 100%.  Because well before Biden ever went off the reservation, we all knew from earlier testing that it was never 100%.  At best, it was in the low 90s.  The numbers that were quoted above are the numbers all of us here have used and repeated for the last 10 plus months. 

    But again, we keep going round and round and round week after week on the same points.  So the question is.. WTF IS YOUR POINT?  Are you trying to argue that vaccines are completely ineffective?  Are you arguing that they are less effective now agains Omicron than Delta and before?  Are you arguing that if something isn't 100% it might as well be 0%?  What is your point this late in the pandemic?
    I was asked to prove where I saw the vaccines worked 100%. I provided proof showing what Biden said which proves what I said. The only point I am trying to make was that someone did tell us they vaccines were 100% effective. Biden is as much an official source as any other.
    That wasn't the main point you were making today, was it?  That came out later after you made some other statements.  I'm trying to understand your main point related to vaccines.  No one here is saying the vaccine is or ever was 100% effective.  
    My original point was that natural immunity counts for something.

    Now you're trying to understand my main point? You were the one that wanted to argue with me in regards to natural immunity being better than the vaccines which has been studied or proven. We are still in the middle of this pandemic so those studies may change when they look at other variants.


    of course it does. how long is the question. it would appear about as long as being vaxxed. or less. which I believe is ehat was being said over thr summer.

    it does seem rather ineffective if someone contracts the virus twice now doesnt it?
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    Got my PCR today after my wife tested positive on Monday (I was negative). She's feeling much better, which is great. I still feel pretty crappy, but better than yesterday. I have a feeling my results will say positive, which means another week at home, which is fine. We are both vaxxed & boosted, wear masks, wash hands, etc. Somehow, it entered our home. I should get my results back by tomorrow. Be well, everyone and have a great weekend.
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    mfc2006 said:
    Got my PCR today after my wife tested positive on Monday (I was negative). She's feeling much better, which is great. I still feel pretty crappy, but better than yesterday. I have a feeling my results will say positive, which means another week at home, which is fine. We are both vaxxed & boosted, wear masks, wash hands, etc. Somehow, it entered our home. I should get my results back by tomorrow. Be well, everyone and have a great weekend.
    good luck Matt. relax and spin some records! 
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