As a person who is mostly white I laugh my butt off at any white person claiming to be put down by hearing the terms Cracker, White Trash, or Redneck. (Edit - when referenced as such by any minorities)
Sure, they have been used in a derogatory fashion, but to what detriment?
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As a person who is mostly white I laugh my butt off at any white person claiming to be put down by hearing the terms Cracker, White Trash, or Redneck. (Edit - when referenced as such by any minorities)
Sure, they have been used in a derogatory fashion, but to what detriment?
Richsters - Filthy Rich - Blue Bloods - Silver Spooners - Trust Fund Fuckers
Do those names hurt rich people?
Pssshhhhhh.
Florida Crackers would be a great name.
I grew up in a racially diverse area and was called "white boy" all the time. I survived.
Don't you find it interesting that it's meant as a slight and none of us seem to care?
Why it bounces right off of us but with other ethnicities certain words are taboo?
I would love to read a book on it if anyone has written one.
I don't find it fascinating, at all. I think the reason is obvious -- because it means nothing in the large scheme of things. Society is not stacked against white people, like it is against non-white people.
If an Latinx person called me a Cracker it would mean nothing. I would still walk around and have people make assumptions based on the color of my skin. (Even though my grandmother is from PR and I am a 1/4 latino myself)
If I called a Latinx person a slur it would align with many of the issues they deal with every single day in America because of assumptions people make based on the color of their skin.
To me this is obvious and simple.
I am sure there are others who feel differently, but having the Florida Crackers would do nothing to harm me or propagate any sort of stereotype that could negatively impact my life.
Florida Boat People or some stupid name like that? Totally different.
As a person who is mostly white I laugh my butt off at any white person claiming to be put down by hearing the terms Cracker, White Trash, or Redneck. (Edit - when referenced as such by any minorities)
Sure, they have been used in a derogatory fashion, but to what detriment?
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As a person who is mostly white I laugh my butt off at any white person claiming to be put down by hearing the terms Cracker, White Trash, or Redneck. (Edit - when referenced as such by any minorities)
Sure, they have been used in a derogatory fashion, but to what detriment?
Richsters - Filthy Rich - Blue Bloods - Silver Spooners - Trust Fund Fuckers
Do those names hurt rich people?
Pssshhhhhh.
Florida Crackers would be a great name.
I grew up in a racially diverse area and was called "white boy" all the time. I survived.
Don't you find it interesting that it's meant as a slight and none of us seem to care?
Why it bounces right off of us but with other ethnicities certain words are taboo?
I would love to read a book on it if anyone has written one.
Probably because as a white person I am not subject to the oppression, racism and dehumanizing situations that those words provoke and reinforce.
As a person who is mostly white I laugh my butt off at any white person claiming to be put down by hearing the terms Cracker, White Trash, or Redneck. (Edit - when referenced as such by any minorities)
Sure, they have been used in a derogatory fashion, but to what detriment?
Richsters - Filthy Rich - Blue Bloods - Silver Spooners - Trust Fund Fuckers
As a person who is mostly white I laugh my butt off at any white person claiming to be put down by hearing the terms Cracker, White Trash, or Redneck. (Edit - when referenced as such by any minorities)
Sure, they have been used in a derogatory fashion, but to what detriment?
Richsters - Filthy Rich - Blue Bloods - Silver Spooners - Trust Fund Fuckers
Do those names hurt rich people?
Pssshhhhhh.
Florida Crackers would be a great name.
I grew up in a racially diverse area and was called "white boy" all the time. I survived.
Don't you find it interesting that it's meant as a slight and none of us seem to care?
Why it bounces right off of us but with other ethnicities certain words are taboo?
I would love to read a book on it if anyone has written one.
Probably because as a white person I am not subject to the oppression, racism and dehumanizing situations that those words provoke and reinforce.
That is a fantastic answer. Not many of us were picked on for being white.
Whites will be the minority in the USA in the not so distant future. Rednecks will love that.
In the cities yes, but when you get out in the rural areas, it will not change life or perceptions a whole lot. Growing up in a racially diverse area, it was culture shock to move to where I live now. My county is 87% white, so the people here live a somewhat insulated life that allows them to not have to witness things that are common in other parts of the country. IMO this goes a long way in explaining the way they see race and inequity.
“Cracker “ is such a silly term. All of them are, really.
its also cultural apropriation , being a black term for southern whites......
It's a racial slur.
If you dig into the word it originates from 17th century and it was never a word that was used politely. It morphed over the years to be a belittling word to white people.
If you ask most white people about the term I don't think you'd find many people take offense to it though?
especially not this guy:
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“Cracker “ is such a silly term. All of them are, really.
its also cultural apropriation , being a black term for southern whites......
It's a racial slur.
If you dig into the word it originates from 17th century and it was never a word that was used politely. It morphed over the years to be a belittling word to white people.
If you ask most white people about the term I don't think you'd find many people take offense to it though?
especially not this guy:
How does he deal with "Douche"?
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“Cracker “ is such a silly term. All of them are, really.
its also cultural apropriation , being a black term for southern whites......
It's a racial slur.
If you dig into the word it originates from 17th century and it was never a word that was used politely. It morphed over the years to be a belittling word to white people.
If you ask most white people about the term I don't think you'd find many people take offense to it though?
especially not this guy:
Ha! I always think of him when I hear the term.
I know people that like the term. Some of them call each other "peckerwood" too or just wood.
The term "corn fed" was always my favorite though.
As a person who is mostly white I laugh my butt off at any white person claiming to be put down by hearing the terms Cracker, White Trash, or Redneck. (Edit - when referenced as such by any minorities)
Sure, they have been used in a derogatory fashion, but to what detriment?
Richsters - Filthy Rich - Blue Bloods - Silver Spooners - Trust Fund Fuckers
As a person who is mostly white I laugh my butt off at any white person claiming to be put down by hearing the terms Cracker, White Trash, or Redneck. (Edit - when referenced as such by any minorities)
Sure, they have been used in a derogatory fashion, but to what detriment?
Richsters - Filthy Rich - Blue Bloods - Silver Spooners - Trust Fund Fuckers
Do those names hurt rich people?
Pssshhhhhh.
Florida Crackers would be a great name.
I grew up in a racially diverse area and was called "white boy" all the time. I survived.
Don't you find it interesting that it's meant as a slight and none of us seem to care?
Why it bounces right off of us but with other ethnicities certain words are taboo?
I would love to read a book on it if anyone has written one.
Because unlike the "N" word (and others), it was never used to strip white people of their humanity and oppress them?
You can call me Flower if you want you.
Just thinking the same thing…that’s why it doesn’t offend us
I suppose you could make an argument that there's a double-standard at who can use race-based terms. Well, I just can't be outraged about that. I guess I could be outraged by it if I was the type of person to manufacture outrage.
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I suppose you could make an argument that there's a double-standard at who can use race-based terms. Well, I just can't be outraged about that. I guess I could be outraged by it if I was the type of person to manufacture outrage.
It wasn't brought up to say it outraged anyone. My point was that these words don't provoke much of any outrage which I found interesting.
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I’ve been called a kike and a sand dweller. Granted it (to me) is nowhere close to the N word, but they didn’t offend. Rather, they made me laugh as those terms and “using” them against another are borne of either ignorance or malice. I have time for neither, and it made me think so much less of the utterers.
(Broke up with the dude who used the second term; nope, don’t want to live with someone who thinks like you.)
I’ve been called a kike and a sand dweller. Granted it (to me) is nowhere close to the N word, but they didn’t offend. Rather, they made me laugh as those terms and “using” them against another are borne of either ignorance or malice. I have time for neither, and it made me think so much less of the utterers.
(Broke up with the dude who used the second term; nope, don’t want to live with someone who thinks like you.)
Kike is a no no word. There are a few ethnic slurrs to me that are really bad and that is one of them. Having Jewish friends you never say that.
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Amazing that you guys are so opposed to racism except where it concerns the use of Indigenous names, images, and mascots...
Maybe you are only opposed to racism if it suits some of your agendas???
I was thinking about this yesterday. On some level, it's great to see a resurgent growing awareness of racial issues. (I say "resurgent" because racism was a major topic back by a lot of activism in the 1960's and somewhat in the 70's but then it all seemed to die down a bit in the 80's and 90's and has resurfaced in recent years). The issue of racism as regards to blacks/African Americans has been particularly paramount, with a lesser but somewhat pronounced emphasis toward Hispanics and Asians.
But through all of the ups and downs, and even through the most ardent periods of raised racial consciousness, the extreme issues of racism toward indigenous people of the Americas has always been low on the radar of concern over racism. The only time that those concerns have received a more pronounced focus was during the 60's and early 70's when Native Americans forged strong movements under the American Indian Movement (also referred to as AIM). A very good understanding of this movement and those times can be found in an excellent book I have previously mentions, Like a Hurricane; The Indian Movement From Alcatraz to Wounded Knee by Paul Chaat Smith and Robert Allen Warrior. Another excellent work is Dennis Banks' Ojibwa Warrior; Dennis Banks and the Rise of the American Indian Movement.
The question is, Why has the plight of these indigenous people been pushed into the background or even outright suppressed for all these years? As terrible as have been the consequences of racism for black, Hispanics, and Asians, none have matched the utter devastation of the Native American/ First Nations peoples in terms of genocide, suppression of human rights, cultural destruction and/or cultural appropriation (yes, your team names!), loss of territory, and the utter humiliation and hatred heaped upon these people.
Why is this?
My conclusion is that we who are of European descent either know in our hearts that the annihilation of indigenous Americans was one of the most horrific acts in the history of humankind perpetrated by one group of people upon another, or are in denial about the severity of what transpired and still goes on today. We cannot sweep this under the carpet. Indigenous people in the Americas are still treated with the least respect, are still suppressed to the greatest degree, and are still the most held back by racial prejudice.
I think a lot of this is unconscious. I would dare to say that some of the things that have been written in this thread point to the fact that awareness of the issues mentioned here are still greatly misunderstood by even so generally "liberal" a group as those of us who frequent this forum. It's more than a little embarrassing and disheartening to see here some of the defenses offered for using Native American names and images for sports teams despite the overwhelming objections to that from American indigenous groups and tribes.
Some of the comments here are ridiculous. Comparing idiots in Green Bay wearing cheese on their heads to mocking indigenous peoples. Dressing up and doing dances…wtf
Perhaps part of the problem is that indigenous peoples are not often seen in our communities. They are the only people in our society that we still keep segregated? But what do they do to be more integrated in society. From my understanding the reserve system is partly in place so indigenous peoples have land of their own…indigenous peoples don’t believe in land ownership on a personal level…and we have stolen do much land from them and refuse to give them back land…
i wonder how many people who even comment on here have ever been to a reserve. Maybe some should visit? You can do your dances for them…wear a feather.
AN good point about segregation/ integration of indigenous people.
As most of us surely must know, indigenous people were shoved off on to marginal lands. The idea that they were "given" these lands is a joke. They were herded off their homelands and forced into places few would want to live. And these people were often nomadic tribes so that made it doubly fucked.
But you all know this, right? We could go into descriptions of what this means and how it happens but I really don't want to suppose that no one here is not aware of all that. If anyone here doesn't know this history, I can only shake my head and say, "Please do some reading on it."
As for integration, one attempt was The Indian Relocation Act of 1956. This was one fucking disastrous idea wherein Native American were "encouraged" to relocate to (or, often, dumped into) urban areas with the idea of them being assimilated into American society. But really, that was just another face of genocide and culturcide. Again, everybody here surely must know about this history, right? If no, please read up. Simply Google "American Indian urban relocation" and start reading. The disgrace of this act is evident and written about extensively.
But again, you all know this, right?
As for reservations, yes, anyone here who thinks they know something about the history of and current conditions of Native Americans in North America and hasn't visited a reservation would do well to do so. Yes, you can learn a lot about all this through reading- absolutely- but go and see for yourselves. Seeing is believing.
As for casinos, I hate them, but I support the idea. I hate it that indigenous people had to resort to doing these, but I totally get why they have and are. Maybe some of us don't like the idea of these casinos and if we express that well, Meltdown said it well, "I guess Indigenous peoples are not allowed to create revenue for their peoples?" You do what you have to do to survive. Who among us has the right to criticize the casinos? Not me.
And look, I'm not trying to be a know it all or chew anyone's ass. It's a subject I care about and have studied, but I'm no professor here. I just ask questions, say what I think, tell what I have found, and keep looking to learn more. I we all are doing that.
Being racist towards indigenous seems to be quite acceptable in our society...looks like it's acceptable here as well. People crow about indigenous people's living off the taxpayer and then when they try to create economic opportunities and jobs for their people's also a problem...
Its ridiculous....
Wow, no shit! Fucking ridiculous.
I can't believe some here only see this from an "outrage culture" stance (so "hip" to call it that, I guess) and still refuse to look at it from the indigenous persons disgust over their culture being used (i.e. appropriated) the way it has. That's so ass-backwards a way to see it, it's not even funny.
Yeah, racism towards indigenous people seems to get a pass from some here and that fucking boggles my mind. Sad, really sad.
If you named a sports team using a derogatory name that is used when referring to black people this place would lose its shit…there’d be 60 threads all about 6000 pages long…but when it comes to indigenous peoples many here are more worried about their precious sports teams name and logo…how bout we call the Cleveland team “the mistake by the lake.” That seems appropriate.
"If you named a sports team using a derogatory name that is used when referring to black people this place would lose its shit…"
Exactly. This is a perfect illustration of how, for some reason I cannot fathom, indigenous/Native American/First Nations people are the last marginalized group in line to be regarded when it comes to racial mistreatment. Why is that? I just don't get it. Why are some of the same people who are adamant about supporting Black Lives Matter so soft of issues of cultural appropriation of Native American culture. I wish someone would explain that.
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My wife's last name is an ethnic slur -- one that's particularly funny to me since we live in a hotspot inhabited by the ethnicity so derided by her surname.
Also, the name of a fish camp I lived/worked at was always uncomfortable to say because it was a straight-up racist term where I'm from, but it was also a surname (the founder's, I believe). The place has since been taken over and revitalized by the county, and it is a lot nicer than when I was there in the 1980s. Still, the name remains: https://jiggslanding.com/.
My great-grandfather's surname (who owned the fish camp for a while) was Hicks.
My wife's last name is an ethnic slur -- one that's particularly funny to me since we live in a hotspot inhabited by the ethnicity so derided by her surname.
Also, the name of a fish camp I lived/worked at was always uncomfortable to say because it was a straight-up racist term where I'm from, but it was also a surname (the founder's, I believe). The place has been taken over and revitalized by the county, and it is a lot nicer than when I was there in the 1980s. Still, the name remains: https://jiggslanding.com/.
My great-grandfather's surname (who owned the fish camp for a while) was Hicks.
Offend in every way?
Hicks as southern uneducated "hicks"? I forgot about that one. My favorite comedian had that last name.
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How does he deal with "Douche"?
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I know people that like the term. Some of them call each other "peckerwood" too or just wood.
The term "corn fed" was always my favorite though.
I suppose you could make an argument that there's a double-standard at who can use race-based terms. Well, I just can't be outraged about that. I guess I could be outraged by it if I was the type of person to manufacture outrage.
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I’ve been called a kike and a sand dweller. Granted it (to me) is nowhere close to the N word, but they didn’t offend. Rather, they made me laugh as those terms and “using” them against another are borne of either ignorance or malice. I have time for neither, and it made me think so much less of the utterers.
(Broke up with the dude who used the second term; nope, don’t want to live with someone who thinks like you.)
Also, the name of a fish camp I lived/worked at was always uncomfortable to say because it was a straight-up racist term where I'm from, but it was also a surname (the founder's, I believe). The place has since been taken over and revitalized by the county, and it is a lot nicer than when I was there in the 1980s. Still, the name remains: https://jiggslanding.com/.
My great-grandfather's surname (who owned the fish camp for a while) was Hicks.
Offend in every way?
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