Cleveland Indians to drop "Indians" from team name after 105 years

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,263
    edited August 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
    I often wonder how many of us called our friends "fag" or "gay" as a joking insult.  If you did that, even as a teen in the 80's, you should be outlawed from running for public office or generally being employed. 
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,914
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
    I often wonder how many of us called our friends "fag" or "gay" as a joking insult.  If you did that, even as a teen in the 80's, you should be outlawed from running for public office or generally being employed. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
    I often wonder how many of us called our friends "fag" or "gay" as a joking insult.  If you did that, even as a teen in the 80's, you should be outlawed from running for public office or generally being employed. 

    I never did that myself, although when I was 15 and started smoking a friend of mine asked If I had a fag.  He was using the UK slang meaning cigarette. This was mid 60's and that term had not come into common use as a disparaging remark toward gays like it (sadly) is today.   So I first learned "fag" to mean cigarette.  It also means "to be boring and tiring to do":  It's such a fag to have to make you bed every morning.

    Another good word ruined.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
    I often wonder how many of us called our friends "fag" or "gay" as a joking insult.  If you did that, even as a teen in the 80's, you should be outlawed from running for public office or generally being employed. 
    In my teens, I’d say “that’s gay”. With that (and my other) skeletons, I’m done for =)
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
    I often wonder how many of us called our friends "fag" or "gay" as a joking insult.  If you did that, even as a teen in the 80's, you should be outlawed from running for public office or generally being employed. 
    Guilty as charged.  Older kids also taught us a game called smeer the queer (kill the man with the football).  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
    I often wonder how many of us called our friends "fag" or "gay" as a joking insult.  If you did that, even as a teen in the 80's, you should be outlawed from running for public office or generally being employed. 
    Guilty as charged.  Older kids also taught us a game called smeer the queer (kill the man with the football).  
    Yeah, alternate name for Kill the Carrier
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
    I often wonder how many of us called our friends "fag" or "gay" as a joking insult.  If you did that, even as a teen in the 80's, you should be outlawed from running for public office or generally being employed. 
    Guilty as charged.  Older kids also taught us a game called smeer the queer (kill the man with the football).  
    Yeah, alternate name for Kill the Carrier
    I think we turned out alright.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:

    Pretty much.  It seems racism gets tolerated when it comes to indigenous peoples.

    But racism also gets tolerated when it's your guy, even liberals.  The last few years has proved to me that Canada is far more racist than people ever want to admit...fuck, we elected a liberal prime minister that had photos survace of him wearing black face...him and his supporters have more excuses than a 2 year old...”he was young” or my favorite “i didn't even know what blackface was,” yeah right...

    Elect anyone...don’t elect a known racist.  But liberals love him...

    My favorite is the money...We spend about 30 billion a year on indigenous affairs.  People gripe about that...lol

    Some reserves are in rough shape, some are not so bad.  Some chiefs are crooked, some are excellent and do good work.  Very similar to politics everywhere.  The reserve I visit most frequently for my Cannabis fix is in real good shape.

    People bitch about accountability in reserves with the money.  The last Prime Minister, Steven Harper had legislation passed that required accountability...but our racist PM got rid of that legislation.  It isno win.  I would think accountability would benefit the little guy in the reserve and keep the chief accountable...guess not.  

    Maybe it's time to desegregate the reserves.   Really get white folks up in arms then...lol
    Were you appalled by black face in the 80s? Did you protest when the movie Soul Man came out?  
    I was appalled at that movie but only because of how bad it was.
    I'll agree with that! 

    And how did he feel about Silver Streak? Wilder in a gross stereotypical act of being black
    I often wonder how many of us called our friends "fag" or "gay" as a joking insult.  If you did that, even as a teen in the 80's, you should be outlawed from running for public office or generally being employed. 
    Guilty as charged.  Older kids also taught us a game called smeer the queer (kill the man with the football).  
    Yeah, alternate name for Kill the Carrier
    I think we turned out alright.  

    SAYS WHO?

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  

    hurt the pitchers feelings? no chance of motivating to do better? idk, 3-0 might not swing in the chance of a walk. Hows his feelings then......
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    Er... what? You don't swing 3-0 if you are up by ten runs or something. But otherwise it's his job to get you out.  Where did your son learn that?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    Er... what? You don't swing 3-0 if you are up by ten runs or something. But otherwise it's his job to get you out.  Where did your son learn that?

    dont hurt you feelings little league.....
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,688
    edited August 2021
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    That’s how they play in MLB too.  The Rangers threw a fit last year to the media when Tatis hit a 3-0 pitch for a grand slam.  Unwritten rules are stupid.  I teach my youngest how to dominate lol
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    edited August 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    Er... what? You don't swing 3-0 if you are up by ten runs or something. But otherwise it's his job to get you out.  Where did your son learn that?
    Probably my ex wife.  

    I'm pressing my kid hard about this 3-0 stuff.  He's telling me it's not nice and disrespectful to the pitcher.  I'm gonna lose it. lol
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    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    edited August 2021
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    That’s how they play in MLB too.  The Rangers threw a fit last year to the media when Tatis hit a 3-0 pitch for a grand slam.  Unwritten rules are stupid.  I teach my youngest how to dominate lol
    It depends on the situation.  You absolutely can get a green light in a normal game.  Same concept with stealing. You don't do it when you're leading big. 
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • If the pitcher throws a pitch that you like, hit it.
    At any count, at any point in the game, unless you are working a walk or taking a pitch is some strategic thing.
    I would teach the kids this and that any other way is lame.  
    To think major leaguers object is hilarious.  (Not questioning that they did/do, just laughing at them.)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    If the pitcher throws a pitch that you like, hit it.
    At any count, at any point in the game, unless you are working a walk or taking a pitch is some strategic thing.
    I would teach the kids this and that any other way is lame.  
    To think major leaguers object is hilarious.  (Not questioning that they did/do, just laughing at them.)
    Agree on all counts.  To me you can swing 3-0 up one run or fifteen.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    If the pitcher throws a pitch that you like, hit it.
    At any count, at any point in the game, unless you are working a walk or taking a pitch is some strategic thing.
    I would teach the kids this and that any other way is lame.  
    To think major leaguers object is hilarious.  (Not questioning that they did/do, just laughing at them.)
    Agree on all counts.  To me you can swing 3-0 up one run or fifteen.
    Gotta listen to the coaches, of course, but yes.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    mcgruff10 said:
    If the pitcher throws a pitch that you like, hit it.
    At any count, at any point in the game, unless you are working a walk or taking a pitch is some strategic thing.
    I would teach the kids this and that any other way is lame.  
    To think major leaguers object is hilarious.  (Not questioning that they did/do, just laughing at them.)
    Agree on all counts.  To me you can swing 3-0 up one run or fifteen.
    Gotta listen to the coaches, of course, but yes.
    Absolutely.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,688
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    That’s how they play in MLB too.  The Rangers threw a fit last year to the media when Tatis hit a 3-0 pitch for a grand slam.  Unwritten rules are stupid.  I teach my youngest how to dominate lol
    It depends on the situation.  You absolutely can get a green light in a normal game.  Same concept with stealing. You don't do it when you're leading big. 
    I disagree with the oldschool approach there.  I don't even think a coach should be stopping that in MLB.  Game isn’t over.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,137
    I was taught not to swing on 3-0 simply because of the possibility of a walk. It's kind of always been a rule of thumb that extends to the Majors ("I wonder if they'll green-light him here on a 3 and 0 count").

    I kinda wonder where your kid heard that. Sometimes norms like that get morphed by over-zealous culture warriors who are always on the lookout for someone being too soft. Like, maybe your kid picked this up third-hand and it traces back to some father saying it sarcastically. I mean, if anything, not swinging is what's going to bug the pitcher (if it results in a walk anyway)...swinging lets a pitcher who can't throw strikes (common in little league and Target Field) off the hook.

    Is the idea of not swinging on 3-0 because of "feelings" stupid? Yeah. But I'm going to need more than that story to believe that it's really a big thing now. Whatever bad political correctness has (and it can be bad in many instances), the reactions to it, assumptions of it, and manufacturing of it are probably far more prevalent.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,137
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    That’s how they play in MLB too.  The Rangers threw a fit last year to the media when Tatis hit a 3-0 pitch for a grand slam.  Unwritten rules are stupid.  I teach my youngest how to dominate lol
    It depends on the situation.  You absolutely can get a green light in a normal game.  Same concept with stealing. You don't do it when you're leading big. 
    I disagree with the oldschool approach there.  I don't even think a coach should be stopping that in MLB.  Game isn’t over.  
    I don't have strong feelings either way. But note that the approach is old school.  In other words, it's either not symptomatic of how out-of-control PC we've become or we've always been a bunch of soft, whiny PC babies.

    I mean, some stuff can be sportsmanship and respect without actually being the downfall of society.
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,720
    edited August 2021
    25 years ago the principal called to say our son was going to be suspended for one day for being too aggressive during a game in gym. “How’s that” we asked, “he was determined to win instead of just participating” replied the principal.  Needless to say that suspension never occurred.  You can be respectful and still actually play the game - swing at the ball if for no other reason then to get the practice.
     My husband would scream at the other coach if he wouldn’t steal because they were up by too many runs.  He thought it was insulting.  How are the kids supposed to truly learn the game like that was his reasoning. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1  I think you’ll appreciate this story.  

    I was playing wiffleball with my son the other day, I was batting and it was a 3-0 count.  He said to me, “remember you can’t swing.”
      I was like, “ugh what? Why not?”  “Because if you get a hit on 3-0 it might hurt the pitchers feelings.”   
    We had a long talk but he told me that s how they play.  I am still in disgust.  
    That’s how they play in MLB too.  The Rangers threw a fit last year to the media when Tatis hit a 3-0 pitch for a grand slam.  Unwritten rules are stupid.  I teach my youngest how to dominate lol
    It depends on the situation.  You absolutely can get a green light in a normal game.  Same concept with stealing. You don't do it when you're leading big. 
    I disagree with the oldschool approach there.  I don't even think a coach should be stopping that in MLB.  Game isn’t over.  
    You may disagree,  but it happens. It's a players rule.  The guy up behind you will get drilled if you swing 3-0, up big,  late.  
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