#46 President Joe Biden

HughFreakingDillon

haha. you're on fire today mace. 

Halifax2TheMax

Seems someone has a memory issue. Might want to have that checked IMHO but remember, I’m not a doctor.

The Juggler

HughFreakingDillon said:

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gimmesometruth27 said:

i am so glad that my support of a candidate in one single election is not an integral part of my identity.

must be hard to be a trump supporter these days.

That's the thing most of them cannot comprehend. They seem to assume people who voted for Biden are in a cult just like they are.

If all Trump supporters are in a cult, why do they not follow his advice on taking the vaccine?

Because the news outlets and radio programs they watch/listen either don’t report it, barely mention it and/or rail against it, regardless. Heck, POOTWH was booed when he mentioned it at a rally and never followed up and implored folks to get it. Kinda just shrugged his shoulders and tossed that talking point, riff, mention, whatever, to the wind.

You are wrong. Yes, he's mentioned it at multiple rallies and was booed. To say he never followed up is not true. He's still toting the vaccine and boosters. Right before Christmas Trump did an interview with Candace Owens and was pushing people to take the vaccine. He did say it was a choice but he told people they should get it because it could save your life. He did a ton of harm to his image by doing this but it was the right thing to do. Candace Owens and Alex Jones are both railing against him for saying this.

It is not "whatever" to the wind.

I agree here. Sure, he has done the bare minimum when it comes to promoting the vaccine, but he has promoted it, even after knowing his base wasn't receptive to it, and going on shows like Candace Owens who is dead set against it. I understand it's a low bar to applaud the guy for this, but to pivot from saying "he hasn't promoted the vaccine" to "well then he hasn't promoted it enough" is disingenuous. 

I don't know. 

So he "mentioned" it rallies and answered a question from Candace Owens, on a podcast, a full year after the vaccines came out? Big deal.

Just imagine, for just a minute, that he devoted as much time and effort into getting his supporters vaccinated as he's done with convincing them of an absolute fairytale that he actually won an election that he lost by 7 millions votes. Think about it. Every time he opened his mouth, sent a tweet, or issued some kind of press release for the last 15 months he has hammered home the fact that the election was stolen from him. He has trained these people like we train our dogs. Never in the history of this country have we questioned the results of an election. Yet here we are where millions and millions and millions of people actually do believe it, without a shred of evidence supporting such nonsense. 

And how, exactly, would you say he has promoted the vaccine? I don't think he has at all. Sure he has answered questions about it from time to time. But even his answers are tepid as he always has to do the "yeah but" regarding people's freedoms and shit, which just serves as green light to the unvaccinated to stay that way and put more people at risk. 

Actually promoting it would be not just mentioning it at a rally. It would be holding socially distanced, outdoor rallies devoted to informing people of the benefits of vaccines, it would be using his influence on social media (all his dumb election rants still get posted and shared by millions-imagine if all of those were about the benefits of vaccines), it would be going on 60 Minutes instead of Candace Owen's podcast to talk exclusively about Covid/vaccines, it'd be getting his Fox advisors (Hannity, Tucker, and Ingraham) on board with him, it would be getting the shot on television like countless other politicians did, doing public service announcements like all the other former presidents did, and just actively making it his main talking point instead of whining about the election. All of this stuff would be actively promoting to me. Just answering questions a few times over the last year is not promotion in my estimation. At all. In fact, I bet you can probably count the number of times he's told people to get vaccinated, unprompted on one hand.

Would all this result in an additional 10-20 million more people getting vaccinated? No. Would it move the need with at least a good chuck of those folks? Yeah, I believe it would have and we'd be in a better spot right now as a result.  

HughFreakingDillon

you're arguing a point I didn't make. Cause I agree with you. I said he has done the bare minimum. if that. maybe "promotion" was a strong word. But either way, he hasn't told people to not get it, he hasn't said "no comment" when asked, like with the favourite bible verse question. 

FiveBelow

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807,000 private sector jobs added in December, according to ADP.

LETS GO BRANDON!!!

Job numbers go up yet his disapproval rating hit a new high in December as well. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/04/biden-disapproval-rating-high-voters-blame-him-on-economy-cnbc-poll.html

Facts don't matter to some folks.

60% of some folks eh? The next election isn't looking good for you or your 807,000 jobs.

My 807,000 jobs? I’ve been gainfully employed since I was 14.

60% of ‘Muricans are delusional. I’ll not enjoy watching ‘Murica implode from afar in November’22 and further in ‘24. Enjoy!

Tsk-tsk. Didn't we have the big "D" word debate already? My apologies if you have achieved medical clearance for its use, if so, congratulations on your accomplishment and informed diagnosis. We could use another expert around here, especially one outside of the crowded bunch of political science and infectious disease scholars.

What would you call those 'Muricans in deep denial about the 2020 election, science and facts in general? Tsk, tsk indeed.

I would have said delusional, as well. But that was before I was informed that one must be able to diagnose the condition in order to use the word.

If you’re making a diagnosis for a medical reason. I’m using it as a descriptor. 

As was I when you took offense and asked if I was qualified to make that diagnosis. Anywho, this wraps up today’s lesson in hypocrisy.

And you could have said, “no, I’m not a doctor but I can describe someone as such based upon the word. Hell I can even believe it too if I want.” But you didn’t, did you?

I actually linked the definition and confirmed that it was a perfectly acceptable use of the term, much like you just did. That did not seem to suffice at the time so I was just a bit surprised to see you using the word.

Care to link to your post and our exchange? Context matters.

Given that the context in both cases is a matter of opinion, I do not see the point in searching for it. If you feel so inclined, combing through my comments would probably save some time.

Nah, I honestly don't recall the exchange, doesn't mean it didn't happen, nor the context. But you're the one who made the Big D comparison. If I were to make the same or similar allegation of a fellow poster, I'd be prepared to link or quote it but that's just me. But hell, maybe it was five years ago?

It’s been awhile. I just found it bizarre to question ones understanding and usage of such a common word, and for some reason it stuck with me. Just returning a little friendly fire.

I learned something new today. You can search a specific word a specific user said in the search function.
July 2020
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/7231435#Comment_7231435

I was bored and had about 10 minutes to kill. Have about 8 left.

Ha, nice work! The link took me to the middle of the page, looks like the exchange in question started second comment from the top.

Halifax2TheMax

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807,000 private sector jobs added in December, according to ADP.

LETS GO BRANDON!!!

Job numbers go up yet his disapproval rating hit a new high in December as well. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/04/biden-disapproval-rating-high-voters-blame-him-on-economy-cnbc-poll.html

Facts don't matter to some folks.

60% of some folks eh? The next election isn't looking good for you or your 807,000 jobs.

My 807,000 jobs? I’ve been gainfully employed since I was 14.

60% of ‘Muricans are delusional. I’ll not enjoy watching ‘Murica implode from afar in November’22 and further in ‘24. Enjoy!

Tsk-tsk. Didn't we have the big "D" word debate already? My apologies if you have achieved medical clearance for its use, if so, congratulations on your accomplishment and informed diagnosis. We could use another expert around here, especially one outside of the crowded bunch of political science and infectious disease scholars.

What would you call those 'Muricans in deep denial about the 2020 election, science and facts in general? Tsk, tsk indeed.

I would have said delusional, as well. But that was before I was informed that one must be able to diagnose the condition in order to use the word.

If you’re making a diagnosis for a medical reason. I’m using it as a descriptor. 

As was I when you took offense and asked if I was qualified to make that diagnosis. Anywho, this wraps up today’s lesson in hypocrisy.

And you could have said, “no, I’m not a doctor but I can describe someone as such based upon the word. Hell I can even believe it too if I want.” But you didn’t, did you?

I actually linked the definition and confirmed that it was a perfectly acceptable use of the term, much like you just did. That did not seem to suffice at the time so I was just a bit surprised to see you using the word.

Care to link to your post and our exchange? Context matters.

Given that the context in both cases is a matter of opinion, I do not see the point in searching for it. If you feel so inclined, combing through my comments would probably save some time.

Nah, I honestly don't recall the exchange, doesn't mean it didn't happen, nor the context. But you're the one who made the Big D comparison. If I were to make the same or similar allegation of a fellow poster, I'd be prepared to link or quote it but that's just me. But hell, maybe it was five years ago?

It’s been awhile. I just found it bizarre to question ones understanding and usage of such a common word, and for some reason it stuck with me. Just returning a little friendly fire.

I learned something new today. You can search a specific word a specific user said in the search function.
July 2020
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/7231435#Comment_7231435

I was bored and had about 10 minutes to kill. Have about 8 left.

Ha, nice work! The link took me to the middle of the page, looks like the exchange in question started second comment from the top.

So, how am I a hypocrite?

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

Seems someone has a memory issue. Might want to have that checked IMHO but remember, I’m not a doctor.

Your response to me calling you delusional. Memory seems pretty, pretty, pretty good.

You got a problem with that? Particularly when its reported in the NY Post article that was shared and then I was accused of "assuming?" Yea, you're right, race doesn't matter. "Delusional?" Do you know the definition of the word and are you qualified to make that diagnosis?

mickeyrat

HughFreakingDillon said:

you're arguing a point I didn't make. Cause I agree with you. I said he has done the bare minimum. if that. maybe "promotion" was a strong word. But either way, he hasn't told people to not get it, he hasn't said "no comment" when asked, like with the favourite bible verse question. 

thinking that was meant for JB.....

The Juggler

mickeyrat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

you're arguing a point I didn't make. Cause I agree with you. I said he has done the bare minimum. if that. maybe "promotion" was a strong word. But either way, he hasn't told people to not get it, he hasn't said "no comment" when asked, like with the favourite bible verse question. 

thinking that was meant for JB.....

It was for both. But I see where Hugh is coming from. 

So my overall point to JB when he asked if it's a cult why don't they follow his advice on vaccines is that he just has not really tried convincing them to take it. And if he put in the same effort, I think a lot of them would. 

Halifax2TheMax

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Seems someone has a memory issue. Might want to have that checked IMHO but remember, I’m not a doctor.

Your response to me calling you delusional. Memory seems pretty, pretty, pretty good.

You got a problem with that? Particularly when its reported in the NY Post article that was shared and then I was accused of "assuming?" Yea, you're right, race doesn't matter. "Delusional?" Do you know the definition of the word and are you qualified to make that diagnosis?

And I don’t believe you really answered that question. I didn’t say you couldn’t use the word. Nor that you used it incorrectly. You never said, in our exchange, that you were using it as a “descriptor.” Further, based on that exchange, is what I said, “delusional?” Remember the definition posted yesterday.

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Seems someone has a memory issue. Might want to have that checked IMHO but remember, I’m not a doctor.

Your response to me calling you delusional. Memory seems pretty, pretty, pretty good.

You got a problem with that? Particularly when its reported in the NY Post article that was shared and then I was accused of "assuming?" Yea, you're right, race doesn't matter. "Delusional?" Do you know the definition of the word and are you qualified to make that diagnosis?

And I don’t believe you really answered that question. I didn’t say you couldn’t use the word. Nor that you used it incorrectly. You never said, in our exchange, that you were using it as a “descriptor.” Further, based on that exchange, is what I said, “delusional?” Remember the definition posted yesterday.

It's all there, man. I was incorrect in exchanging the definition with you because it seems there was another poster who took offense to the use of the "D" word, due to its relation with their occupation. Like I said, just a little friendly fire and if you can't draw a comparison, I will not lose any sleep over it.

mace1229

I don’t know what more anyone expected from trump and the vaccine. He bragged about being responsible for creating it during e campaign. From what I recall, no one thought it needed to be promoted for months after it was available. They thought there’d be a shortage, I remember a story about a nurse stuck in traffic or snow or something and having a couple doses on her, so she gave them to some strangers in the road so they wouldn’t go to waste. Biden said many times he wouldn’t mandate it, and I assume because he thought the number of people not getting it would be very small and inconsequential. As did almost everyone. It wasn’t until early summer we saw this surplus of vaccines and people not taking them, by then trump had been out of office and banned from social media for 5 or 6 months and not really doing interviews..
Im not saying he would be doing a good job promoting it if he was still in office, but given the circumstances I don’t see where he needed to promote it more.

The Juggler

mace1229 said:

I don’t know what more anyone expected from trump and the vaccine. He bragged about being responsible for creating it during e campaign. From what I recall, no one thought it needed to be promoted for months after it was available. They thought there’d be a shortage, I remember a story about a nurse stuck in traffic or snow or something and having a couple doses on her, so she gave them to some strangers in the road so they wouldn’t go to waste. Biden said many times he wouldn’t mandate it, and I assume because he thought the number of people not getting it would be very small and inconsequential. As did almost everyone. It wasn’t until early summer we saw this surplus of vaccines and people not taking them, by then trump had been out of office and banned from social media for 5 or 6 months and not really doing interviews..
Im not saying he would be doing a good job promoting it if he was still in office, but given the circumstances I don’t see where he needed to promote it more.

You don't know what more anyone expected from Trump and the vaccine? I literally answered that question minutes ago. We knew as early as last Spring that the number of people getting vaccinated was slowing down and we knew they were Trump supporters not getting them. Polling has showed this for a long time. 


Just imagine, for just a minute, that he devoted as much time and effort into getting his supporters vaccinated as he's done with convincing them of an absolute fairytale that he actually won an election that he lost by 7 millions votes. Think about it. Every time he opened his mouth, sent a tweet, or issued some kind of press release for the last 15 months he has hammered home the fact that the election was stolen from him. He has trained these people like we train our dogs. Never in the history of this country have we questioned the results of an election. Yet here we are where millions and millions and millions of people actually do believe it, without a shred of evidence supporting such nonsense. 

And how, exactly, would you say he has promoted the vaccine? I don't think he has at all. Sure he has answered questions about it from time to time. But even his answers are tepid as he always has to do the "yeah but" regarding people's freedoms and shit, which just serves as green light to the unvaccinated to stay that way and put more people at risk. 

Actually promoting it would be not just mentioning it at a rally. It would be holding socially distanced, outdoor rallies devoted to informing people of the benefits of vaccines, it would be using his influence on social media (all his dumb election rants still get posted and shared by millions-imagine if all of those were about the benefits of vaccines), it would be going on 60 Minutes instead of Candace Owen's podcast to talk exclusively about Covid/vaccines, it'd be getting his Fox advisors (Hannity, Tucker, and Ingraham) on board with him, it would be getting the shot on television like countless other politicians did, doing public service announcements like all the other former presidents did, and just actively making it his main talking point instead of whining about the election. All of this stuff would be actively promoting to me. Just answering questions a few times over the last year is not promotion in my estimation. At all. In fact, I bet you can probably count the number of times he's told people to get vaccinated, unprompted on one hand.

Would all this result in an additional 10-20 million more people getting vaccinated? No. Would it move the need with at least a good chuck of those folks? Yeah, I believe it would have and we'd be in a better spot right now as a result.  

The Juggler

I'd also add that the number of Republicans who believe in the fairytale of a stolen election has grown steadily throughout this year when Trump was off Twitter. So if the argument is that he doesn't have the same kind of sway he used to, that's just not true. The entire Republican party still considers him their leader.....which is batshit crazy for a twice impeached one term president, but this is America in 2022. 

Halifax2TheMax

And imagine if POOTWH hadn't told 8 or 9 lies a day every day and instead told 8 or 9 truths about vaccines and vaccination per day. Or instead of admitting to Bob Woodward that he knew of the danger and deadliness of the virus and then went out and said "it'll be gone by Easter, it'll go away with warm weather or like a miracle," he went before the American public on multiple occasions and implored folks to take this seriously, listen to their health care professionals and scientists and to get vaccinated when a vaccine becomes available. Imagine if he had done that? Shit, he'd be the POTUS instead of the pretend POTUS.

Seems the rehabilitation of POOTWH's image for 2024 has begun. Good luck 'Murica.

Meltdown99

That speech Joe gave came off as a grumpy old man…I expected him to yell “Putin get off the whitehouse lawn.”…I kid.   Good speech.

The Juggler

Halifax2TheMax said:

And imagine if POOTWH hadn't told 8 or 9 lies a day every day and instead told 8 or 9 truths about vaccines and vaccination per day. Or instead of admitting to Bob Woodward that he knew of the danger and deadliness of the virus and then went out and said "it'll be gone by Easter, it'll go away with warm weather or like a miracle," he went before the American public on multiple occasions and implored folks to take this seriously, listen to their health care professionals and scientists and to get vaccinated when a vaccine becomes available. Imagine if he had done that? Shit, he'd be the POTUS instead of the pretend POTUS.

Seems the rehabilitation of POOTWH's image for 2024 has begun. Good luck 'Murica.

Absolutely. I don't see how anyone can say "I don't know what more he could've done" with a straight face. Flies directly in the face of reality. 

mace1229

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

I don’t know what more anyone expected from trump and the vaccine. He bragged about being responsible for creating it during e campaign. From what I recall, no one thought it needed to be promoted for months after it was available. They thought there’d be a shortage, I remember a story about a nurse stuck in traffic or snow or something and having a couple doses on her, so she gave them to some strangers in the road so they wouldn’t go to waste. Biden said many times he wouldn’t mandate it, and I assume because he thought the number of people not getting it would be very small and inconsequential. As did almost everyone. It wasn’t until early summer we saw this surplus of vaccines and people not taking them, by then trump had been out of office and banned from social media for 5 or 6 months and not really doing interviews..
Im not saying he would be doing a good job promoting it if he was still in office, but given the circumstances I don’t see where he needed to promote it more.

You don't know what more anyone expected from Trump and the vaccine? I literally answered that question minutes ago. We knew as early as last Spring that the number of people getting vaccinated was slowing down and we knew they were Trump supporters not getting them. Polling has showed this for a long time. 


Just imagine, for just a minute, that he devoted as much time and effort into getting his supporters vaccinated as he's done with convincing them of an absolute fairytale that he actually won an election that he lost by 7 millions votes. Think about it. Every time he opened his mouth, sent a tweet, or issued some kind of press release for the last 15 months he has hammered home the fact that the election was stolen from him. He has trained these people like we train our dogs. Never in the history of this country have we questioned the results of an election. Yet here we are where millions and millions and millions of people actually do believe it, without a shred of evidence supporting such nonsense. 

And how, exactly, would you say he has promoted the vaccine? I don't think he has at all. Sure he has answered questions about it from time to time. But even his answers are tepid as he always has to do the "yeah but" regarding people's freedoms and shit, which just serves as green light to the unvaccinated to stay that way and put more people at risk. 

Actually promoting it would be not just mentioning it at a rally. It would be holding socially distanced, outdoor rallies devoted to informing people of the benefits of vaccines, it would be using his influence on social media (all his dumb election rants still get posted and shared by millions-imagine if all of those were about the benefits of vaccines), it would be going on 60 Minutes instead of Candace Owen's podcast to talk exclusively about Covid/vaccines, it'd be getting his Fox advisors (Hannity, Tucker, and Ingraham) on board with him, it would be getting the shot on television like countless other politicians did, doing public service announcements like all the other former presidents did, and just actively making it his main talking point instead of whining about the election. All of this stuff would be actively promoting to me. Just answering questions a few times over the last year is not promotion in my estimation. At all. In fact, I bet you can probably count the number of times he's told people to get vaccinated, unprompted on one hand.

Would all this result in an additional 10-20 million more people getting vaccinated? No. Would it move the need with at least a good chuck of those folks? Yeah, I believe it would have and we'd be in a better spot right now as a result.  

Yes, they knew in spring. He had also been out of office for several months, banned from social media, and not doing interviews. So it’s about the level of promotion I expected.

FiveBelow

Is it also not plausible that had trump been overly promoting the vaccine there would have been an equal amount of kickback from his opposition? How many democrats would have said “I will never take the trump vaccine”? Given the constant bitch-fest between the 2 parties, I think it is worth considering. I also think it comes down to the fact that regardless of the topic or political affiliation, there will always be those who will make their own decisions, no matter what their “leaders” say.

The Juggler

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

I don’t know what more anyone expected from trump and the vaccine. He bragged about being responsible for creating it during e campaign. From what I recall, no one thought it needed to be promoted for months after it was available. They thought there’d be a shortage, I remember a story about a nurse stuck in traffic or snow or something and having a couple doses on her, so she gave them to some strangers in the road so they wouldn’t go to waste. Biden said many times he wouldn’t mandate it, and I assume because he thought the number of people not getting it would be very small and inconsequential. As did almost everyone. It wasn’t until early summer we saw this surplus of vaccines and people not taking them, by then trump had been out of office and banned from social media for 5 or 6 months and not really doing interviews..
Im not saying he would be doing a good job promoting it if he was still in office, but given the circumstances I don’t see where he needed to promote it more.

You don't know what more anyone expected from Trump and the vaccine? I literally answered that question minutes ago. We knew as early as last Spring that the number of people getting vaccinated was slowing down and we knew they were Trump supporters not getting them. Polling has showed this for a long time. 


Just imagine, for just a minute, that he devoted as much time and effort into getting his supporters vaccinated as he's done with convincing them of an absolute fairytale that he actually won an election that he lost by 7 millions votes. Think about it. Every time he opened his mouth, sent a tweet, or issued some kind of press release for the last 15 months he has hammered home the fact that the election was stolen from him. He has trained these people like we train our dogs. Never in the history of this country have we questioned the results of an election. Yet here we are where millions and millions and millions of people actually do believe it, without a shred of evidence supporting such nonsense. 

And how, exactly, would you say he has promoted the vaccine? I don't think he has at all. Sure he has answered questions about it from time to time. But even his answers are tepid as he always has to do the "yeah but" regarding people's freedoms and shit, which just serves as green light to the unvaccinated to stay that way and put more people at risk. 

Actually promoting it would be not just mentioning it at a rally. It would be holding socially distanced, outdoor rallies devoted to informing people of the benefits of vaccines, it would be using his influence on social media (all his dumb election rants still get posted and shared by millions-imagine if all of those were about the benefits of vaccines), it would be going on 60 Minutes instead of Candace Owen's podcast to talk exclusively about Covid/vaccines, it'd be getting his Fox advisors (Hannity, Tucker, and Ingraham) on board with him, it would be getting the shot on television like countless other politicians did, doing public service announcements like all the other former presidents did, and just actively making it his main talking point instead of whining about the election. All of this stuff would be actively promoting to me. Just answering questions a few times over the last year is not promotion in my estimation. At all. In fact, I bet you can probably count the number of times he's told people to get vaccinated, unprompted on one hand.

Would all this result in an additional 10-20 million more people getting vaccinated? No. Would it move the need with at least a good chuck of those folks? Yeah, I believe it would have and we'd be in a better spot right now as a result.  

Yes, they knew in spring. He had also been out of office for several months, banned from social media, and not doing interviews. So it’s about the level of promotion I expected.

Yeah? Well then how do you square that with the enormous amount of success he's had promoting the lie that the election was stolen from him?

Makes no sense Mace. If what you are saying is true, then 71% of republicans would not think the election was illegitimate. They believe that because of everything I mentioned above. Had he put that same effort into saving people's lives with the vaccine, we would likely not be in this current mess. 

https://polsci.umass.edu/toplines-and-crosstabs-december-2021-national-poll-presidential-election-jan-6th-insurrection-us